FabSwingers.com forum: Andy Burnham

By *3xyCouple OP Couple
2 weeks ago

swingers town

What do you guys think?

I think same shit just a different day!!

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By *akeyousmile30Man
2 weeks ago

greenwich

"What do you guys think?

I think same shit just a different day!!"

I think brace yourself it’s going to get really expensive quick

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By *eeyasoonMan
2 weeks ago

Glasgow

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By *lik and PaulCouple
2 weeks ago

cahoots

"What do you guys think?

I think same shit just a different day!!"

...but much worse

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By *aul FishMan
2 weeks ago

Sleaford, Lincoln, Grantham

Absolute lefty bell end that has no clue what he's doing. You thought Starmer was bad... He's like hold my beer and watch me fuck this right up. Expensive... Prepare to be taxed more working people! He fucked up the police, fire and ambulance in GMP. He's going to be worse for thr bond markets than Liz Truss

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By *ike_76Man
2 weeks ago

"What do you guys think?

I think same shit just a different day!!"

This^

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By *eroy1000Man
2 weeks ago

milton keynes

Well I'm certainly not a labour supporter but think Burnham has learnt a lesson from when labour first took over. Instead of instantly talking the country down he at least is up beat which is a welcome change. Listening to the radio interviews of people in Manchester they point out that the success stories there did not come about due to his ideas. They were ideas from other people and parties that he used. Crucially he did not dismiss them simply for not being his own. One interviewer who was lib dem described Burnham as the rarest of labour members as he listens to other people's point of view without dismissing it outright. Unfortunately with the tax take already at its highest he seems keen to raise it even higher. It will be interesting to see what he does different while working to the same manifesto commitments

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By *ostindreamsMan
2 weeks ago

London

"Well I'm certainly not a labour supporter but think Burnham has learnt a lesson from when labour first took over. Instead of instantly talking the country down he at least is up beat which is a welcome change. Listening to the radio interviews of people in Manchester they point out that the success stories there did not come about due to his ideas. They were ideas from other people and parties that he used. Crucially he did not dismiss them simply for not being his own. One interviewer who was lib dem described Burnham as the rarest of labour members as he listens to other people's point of view without dismissing it outright. Unfortunately with the tax take already at its highest he seems keen to raise it even higher. It will be interesting to see what he does different while working to the same manifesto commitments "

Same feelings. Guy shows a lot of positivity and optimism compared to the previous PMs which is a good thing. But he will he will he judged by his actions. It would be interesting to see how he goes about fixing the economic problems.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
2 weeks ago

Leigh

He needs to allow all our oil and gas to be extracted while there is still a market for it.

The taxes should be used to pay for his other more lefty commitments.

The benefits bill also needs to be slashed.

More needs to be spent on defence.

Illegal immigrants, foreign criminals and failed asylum seekers must be deported.

None if the above will go down well with his rabid left wing backbenchers however if he does pull it off he stands a slim chance of winning a second term.

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By *sexman1Man
2 weeks ago

north oxfordshire

He fuck every thing up like the last on wont get any better

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
2 weeks ago

Central

We should probably be increasing some taxes, to improve services, after over 10 years of them being run down or cancelled. But it won't happen, so in many ways, we'll amble along, whilst people complain.

I'd like to hear what his plans are, once in no 10.

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By *ungandHorny6996Man
2 weeks ago

Leeds

As long as he doesn’t make Count Binface Chancellor I think we’ll do OK. Will be interesting watching him humiliate trump with Northern wit amd good humour.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
2 weeks ago

nearby

He’s talking a different language to Starmer

Has a positive outlook and best of all the other Labour options

Need a good chancellor - Miatta Farnbulleh

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By *m3232Man
2 weeks ago

maidenhead

Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
2 weeks ago

Colchester

It's impossible for any governance structure to deliver all the things individuals desire or need all the time.

Nature tends towards diversity.

Civilisation governance tends towards standardisation.

Those are opposing forces.

If civilisation was a car, governments are the engines and all we do is change the engine every couple of years. The bodywork stays the same.

If the bodywork/frame is flawed, then it doesn't matter what engine you put in the vehicle.

You are not going to find an engine that suits the needs and wants of all the passengers in the car.

Cleverer people than me have studied and discussed this for centuries. There are several alternatives. (Radical decentralisation, polycentric governance, competitive governance, and so on and so forth).

Back to the point however.

Changing the engine won't satisfy the needs of the individual. I value individual needs above all other things.

So until the framework issue is addressed, the engine operator is a moot point, IMHO.

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By *ersatilefoxMan
2 weeks ago

Notts

God help us if Reform get into power, you think it's bad now , we have a Reform run county council, what a shower of shite they are. No idea. Quite a few of them quit not long after getting elected, I think they realised they actually had to do some serious work.

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By *uckurcumMan
2 weeks ago

Bishop Auckland

Not even in the job yet and let's start the critique....

Let's face it the conservatives are totally washed up ....Badenoch running on empty..if they could get rid they would,but no one would want the job,even if they had one ....

The Greens,Well ain't green no more,and just full of hypocrisy and at best a protest vote ..

The liberals or what they label themselves as on the day flip flop around ...

Farage the fascist and crook,man of the people certainly he is not ....he is Trumps love child !

A glimmer of hope is that Andy Burnham can turn reteric into action, sadly he'll find out that we live in an Amazon Prime Society where people won't wait for changes ....so he's up against it from day one ...

It's easy to have a pop at politicians but would any of us really want the job ...

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By *ermbiMan
2 weeks ago

Ballyshannon

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power. "

To be replaced with what?

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By *m3232Man
2 weeks ago

maidenhead

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

To be replaced with what?"

I support Restore and we 100% need to remove illegals.

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By *ermbiMan
2 weeks ago

Ballyshannon

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

To be replaced with what?

I support Restore and we 100% need to remove illegals. "

A Restore government? Whats their economic policy like?

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By *m3232Man
2 weeks ago

maidenhead

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

To be replaced with what?

I support Restore and we 100% need to remove illegals.

A Restore government? Whats their economic policy like?"

It’s going to be better than the last two governments.

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By *hyKentGuyMan
2 weeks ago

sheerness

I’d be very worried about the self proclaimed king of the north! He failed to become labour leader twice! He was beaten by Corbyn and Milliband! The bar couldnt have been lower! And you can’t tell me that out of 400 odd labour MPs they had to set up a by-election to parachute someone to knife Starmer in the back to gain the premiership! We are doomed!

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By *ermbiMan
2 weeks ago

Ballyshannon

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

To be replaced with what?

I support Restore and we 100% need to remove illegals.

A Restore government? Whats their economic policy like?

It’s going to be better than the last two governments. "

Typical Restore comeback. No policies and no plan

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By *umpertrucksMan
2 weeks ago

London

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

To be replaced with what?

I support Restore and we 100% need to remove illegals.

A Restore government? Whats their economic policy like?

It’s going to be better than the last two governments.

Typical Restore comeback. No policies and no plan"
. It looks like have failed to do your research. They would abolish inheritance tax and increase allowances.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
2 weeks ago

Gilfach

"A Restore government? Whats their economic policy like?"

"It’s going to be better than the last two governments."

"Typical Restore comeback. No policies and no plan"

Unlike all those Andy Burnham supporters that had full knowledge of exactly what his policies were before they forced out the old PM to make way for him?

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By *ill Guy69Man
2 weeks ago

Glasgow

"What do you guys think?

I think same shit just a different day!!"

..best not to do, ...

Best kept separate..

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By *ill Guy69Man
2 weeks ago

Glasgow

....not for me. ....👍

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
2 weeks ago

Hastings

Drill baby Drill

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By *otMe66Man
2 weeks ago

"It's impossible for any governance structure to deliver all the things individuals desire or need all the time.

Nature tends towards diversity.

Civilisation governance tends towards standardisation.

Those are opposing forces.

If civilisation was a car, governments are the engines and all we do is change the engine every couple of years. The bodywork stays the same.

If the bodywork/frame is flawed, then it doesn't matter what engine you put in the vehicle.

You are not going to find an engine that suits the needs and wants of all the passengers in the car.

Back to the point however.

Changing the engine won't satisfy the needs of the individual. I value individual needs above all other things.

So until the framework issue is addressed, the engine operator is a moot point, IMHO."

What is your point in a way the average person can understand

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
7 days ago

Bedfuck

I see Callaghan mkIII, that's all I've got to say on the matter.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
7 days ago

Colchester

"It's impossible for any governance structure to deliver all the things individuals desire or need all the time.

Nature tends towards diversity.

Civilisation governance tends towards standardisation.

Those are opposing forces.

If civilisation was a car, governments are the engines and all we do is change the engine every couple of years. The bodywork stays the same.

If the bodywork/frame is flawed, then it doesn't matter what engine you put in the vehicle.

You are not going to find an engine that suits the needs and wants of all the passengers in the car.

Back to the point however.

Changing the engine won't satisfy the needs of the individual. I value individual needs above all other things.

So until the framework issue is addressed, the engine operator is a moot point, IMHO.

What is your point in a way the average person can understand "

People are different.

One system can't satisfy everyone.

So every government disappoints large numbers of people.

That's why I think the real problem isn't which party wins elections or even which leader exerts power.

It's that we're trying to make one governance system fit everyone.

Until we rethink that underlying framework, changing governments is just swapping the engine in the same car.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
7 days ago

nearby

"I see Callaghan mkIII, that's all I've got to say on the matter."

98% top rate investment income tax !

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
7 days ago

nearby

Reading today. proposals according to the Guardian, Burnham could remove some levies from the energy bills people currently pay and cut the average bill by £130.

Presumably for businesses too?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
7 days ago

The Outer Rim

"Reading today. proposals according to the Guardian, Burnham could remove some levies from the energy bills people currently pay and cut the average bill by £130.

Presumably for businesses too? "

every time that's happened in the past, the energy companies just move in and swallow up the price cut as more profit.

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By *otMe66Man
7 days ago

"It's impossible for any governance structure to deliver all the things individuals desire or need all the time.

Nature tends towards diversity.

Civilisation governance tends towards standardisation.

Those are opposing forces.

If civilisation was a car, governments are the engines and all we do is change the engine every couple of years. The bodywork stays the same.

If the bodywork/frame is flawed, then it doesn't matter what engine you put in the vehicle.

You are not going to find an engine that suits the needs and wants of all the passengers in the car.

Back to the point however.

Changing the engine won't satisfy the needs of the individual. I value individual needs above all other things.

So until the framework issue is addressed, the engine operator is a moot point, IMHO.

What is your point in a way the average person can understand

People are different.

One system can't satisfy everyone.

So every government disappoints large numbers of people.

That's why I think the real problem isn't which party wins elections or even which leader exerts power.

It's that we're trying to make one governance system fit everyone.

Until we rethink that underlying framework, changing governments is just swapping the engine in the same car."

I think you’re mixing up political philosophy and government. All governments have the same core mission it’s how they go about delivering change that is different. It doesn’t mean the framework is flawed it is government policies that are flawed.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
7 days ago

Colchester

"I think you’re mixing up political philosophy and government. All governments have the same core mission it’s how they go about delivering change that is different. It doesn’t mean the framework is flawed it is government policies that are flawed. "

Indeed. That admixture is deliberate and intentional, not accidental.

All governments do not the same core mission.

If they did, then there would be nothing to distinguish them from each other and they'd all be the same, just different in execution.

Various governments pursue radically different objectives. Eg,

Post-WW2 social democracy in Sweden

General Pinochet's regime in Chile

Mao's China

I think you are suggesting that the framework is fine, it's the policies that are flawed. I do not accept that. I believe both are responsible.

If every ideology eventually produces similar tensions between power, representation and competing individual needs, perhaps it's worth questioning whether the underlying governance framework deserves as much scrutiny as the policies themselves. That was the core thrust of my original statement, though perhaps it was too abstract initially.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
7 days ago

Gilfach

"Reading today. proposals according to the Guardian, Burnham could remove some levies from the energy bills people currently pay and cut the average bill by £130.

Presumably for businesses too?"

"every time that's happened in the past, the energy companies just move in and swallow up the price cut as more profit."

Can you give us an example of when that's happened in the past?

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By *exyornotMan
7 days ago

halifax

I'm just waiting for a general election - hopefully survive till then.....

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
7 days ago

nearby

"I'm just waiting for a general election - hopefully survive till then....."

Don’t know where the result would leave us, no clear majority

Ref/con collaboration, fox hunting ban lifted, small boats not returned, no Brexit bounce

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By *ookingFor.....Man
7 days ago

Horsham/Crawley

"He’s talking a different language to Starmer

Has a positive outlook and best of all the other Labour options

Need a good chancellor - Miatta Farnbulleh "

As in a DEI hire?

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By *ookingFor.....Man
7 days ago

Horsham/Crawley

"Labour is a disaster and need to be removed from power.

To be replaced with what?

I support Restore and we 100% need to remove illegals. "

Restore?

The guy who says Dunblane was ‘just one murder’?

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By *ookingFor.....Man
7 days ago

Horsham/Crawley

I think we’re about to find out what life might’ve been like had Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock somehow ended up as PM.

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By *wayne-PipeMan
7 days ago

howton

"I think we’re about to find out what life might’ve been like had Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock somehow ended up as PM."

I don't think so! The last great leader was John Smith.. the greatest PM we never had.

They were all socialists. The labour party are now neo liberal Tory lites. The rot set in with Tony Blair .

If you think labour are socialists .. think again!!!!

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By *e-OptimistMan
7 days ago

Stalybridge

"I think we’re about to find out what life might’ve been like had Michael Foot or Neil Kinnock somehow ended up as PM.

I don't think so! The last great leader was John Smith.. the greatest PM we never had.

They were all socialists. The labour party are now neo liberal Tory lites. The rot set in with Tony Blair .

If you think labour are socialists .. think again!!!!"

Smith was spared having to self destructed like all the other clowns who have occupied Number 10. Looking the part and actually delivering something positive are two very different things.

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By *aughtystaffs60Couple
7 days ago

Staffordshire

"Absolute lefty bell end that has no clue what he's doing. You thought Starmer was bad... He's like hold my beer and watch me fuck this right up. Expensive... Prepare to be taxed more working people! He fucked up the police, fire and ambulance in GMP. He's going to be worse for thr bond markets than Liz Truss "

Yeah. Probably a good idea to keep some cash by if you can and tap into those higher ISA rates that are around the corner. Oh right we can't as Reeves as fixed it so that you can't invest more than £ 12K unless you are 65 or over.

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By *otMe66Man
7 days ago

Indeed. That admixture is deliberate and intentional, not accidental.

All governments do not the same core mission.

If they did, then there would be nothing to distinguish them from each other and they'd all be the same, just different in execution.

Various governments pursue radically different objectives. Eg,

Post-WW2 social democracy in Sweden

General Pinochet's regime in Chile

Mao's China

I think you are suggesting that the framework is fine, it's the policies that are flawed. I do not accept that. I believe both are responsible.

I have no idea why you are referencing global regimes and historical political swings, can you explain how this ties into my reply?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
7 days ago

Colchester

Indeed. That admixture is deliberate and intentional, not accidental.

All governments do not the same core mission.

If they did, then there would be nothing to distinguish them from each other and they'd all be the same, just different in execution.

Various governments pursue radically different objectives. Eg,

Post-WW2 social democracy in Sweden

General Pinochet's regime in Chile

Mao's China

I think you are suggesting that the framework is fine, it's the policies that are flawed. I do not accept that. I believe both are responsible.

I have no idea why you are referencing global regimes and historical political swings, can you explain how this ties into my reply?

I had to work hard to try and understand your reply. To be fair, you are one of the regular posters who I consistently struggle the most to understand. That's quite ok, because I'm sure it works both ways too ! Some people are destined never to understand each other

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By *otMe66Man
7 days ago

Indeed. That admixture is deliberate and intentional, not accidental.

All governments do not the same core mission.

If they did, then there would be nothing to distinguish them from each other and they'd all be the same, just different in execution.

Various governments pursue radically different objectives. Eg,

Post-WW2 social democracy in Sweden

General Pinochet's regime in Chile

Mao's China

I think you are suggesting that the framework is fine, it's the policies that are flawed. I do not accept that. I believe both are responsible.

I have no idea why you are referencing global regimes and historical political swings, can you explain how this ties into my reply?

This feels far too much like AI

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By *ookingFor.....Man
6 days ago

Horsham/Crawley

He’ll be the business casual PM who’ll end up working from home.

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By *abioMan
6 days ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

All hail the king of the north!!!!

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By *oubleswing2019Man
6 days ago

Colchester

This feels far too much like AI"

Lol ! Which is exactly how I write, speak and think in real life !

I speak instructionally, and feel things as instructions.

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
6 days ago

Carlisle

KING IN THE NORTH!

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By *007ManMan
32 minutes ago

Worthing

He could not even get Manchester in order.

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