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"There is a thread about immigration and there have been others in the past. There will be more in the future too! What does everyone actually want or see as the ideal British mix of cultures? ..." You're mixing up too many different things in that first post. Foreigner, foreign-born, and foreign culture are all different things, and you can't assume that anybody against one of them is also against all the others. If you really want answers, ask fewer and simpler questions. | |||
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"There is a thread about immigration and there have been others in the past. There will be more in the future too! What does everyone actually want or see as the ideal British mix of cultures? ... You're mixing up too many different things in that first post. Foreigner, foreign-born, and foreign culture are all different things, and you can't assume that anybody against one of them is also against all the others. If you really want answers, ask fewer and simpler questions." I may have couched this incorrectly and those were only meant to be examples. I am interested to know what people actually see as the perfect Britain and how immigration fits in (or doesn't). It isn't a leading question or click bait as there is probably not a definitive answer but there is so much hate in this and other countries directed towards immigrants that I would be interested in people's arguments as to how Britain would function with or without immigrants (or with a limited amount perhaps). | |||
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"There is a thread about immigration and there have been others in the past. There will be more in the future too! What does everyone actually want or see as the ideal British mix of cultures? Do we reject anyone not born in the UK? Do both parents have to have been born in the UK and the individual? What about if someone who passes the "British test" marries a foreigner - should they leave? If we manage to find a solution and birth rates fall, do we allow others into the country? Come on all of you who are extremely vocal about disliking the current system and the systems put in place by previous governments, tell us what the ideal position is and how it is managed!" Your first question was about what the ideal mix of cultures should be. But none of your following questions speak anything about culture. About how people would prefer immigration to be managed, different people have different opinions on this even amongst the right wingers. I guess the common themes are: - Economic - Immigrants must work in a job that's genuinely difficult to find local workers for. They shouldn't consume social housing or unemployment benefits. - Social - Immigrants must follow the local laws and adapt to the culture here and not expect people in this country to change things to accommodate their way of living. Immigrants who commit crimes must be sent back irrespective of their problems in their native country. | |||
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"All immigration I can't see any benefit from anything they have fetch to my country culture or multicultural " So you don’t consider curry, kebabs or crispy duck an improvement to British culture? You don't value the the doctors and nurses who staff the NHS? You don't applaid the immigrants who start businesses, create jobs and pay millions into the treasury? | |||
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"All immigration I can't see any benefit from anything they have fetch to my country culture or multicultural " Like 'what did the Romans ever do for us?' kind of thing? | |||
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" I'll give my answers as a atheust, far-left Londoner who has lived in ethnically diverse areas his whole life: Someone's culture is far less important than whether or not they are a dickhead. Dickheads exist in every culture. I don't think that where you are born should be the sole decider of your nationality. If two British citizens have a baby in Somalia, the baby is British. If two Somali citizens have a baby in the UK, the baby is Somali. I consider one British parent to be enough to give a baby British citizenship. I have no idea why marrying a foreigner would have any impact on your existing citizenship. I'll add that I would probably not pass the "British Test". There are solid economic reasons why we have the levels of legal immigration that we do (and about 95% is legal) but don't conflate legally living in the UK as as privilege with being a UK citizen as a right." Far left you say - think your opinion is not worth listening tlo... | |||
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"Targeted immigration is my preferred choice. ie if the country needs 10,000 bricklayers and cannot get them from within the country then allow 10,000 people in that have those skills on temporary work visas or similar. As long as they can work, contribute and integrate for thier time here then it's a benefit. Of course the net figures are directly affected by the people leaving the UK. On the articles I read they did not specify why people were leaving or if they were migrants going back or indigenous people leaving for ever" The only thing I have against that is that we are going to be paying higher wages to those people than they can earn in their own countries therefore their countries of origin lose a skill set that was paid for in that country. Whether it is bricklayers or surgeons it is the same. I don't like the idea of British skilled workers leaving the country to go to the highest bidder either so it works both ways. Quite happy if there is something in place to recoup some of the taxpayers money spent on educating these people e.g.people have to work in the country where they received the training for a set amount of time before they would be allowed to leave or face penalties. Governments can't afford to plan education around needs then have those skills poached by someone else. | |||
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"Targeted immigration is my preferred choice. ie if the country needs 10,000 bricklayers and cannot get them from within the country then allow 10,000 people in that have those skills on temporary work visas or similar. As long as they can work, contribute and integrate for thier time here then it's a benefit. Of course the net figures are directly affected by the people leaving the UK. On the articles I read they did not specify why people were leaving or if they were migrants going back or indigenous people leaving for ever The only thing I have against that is that we are going to be paying higher wages to those people than they can earn in their own countries therefore their countries of origin lose a skill set that was paid for in that country. Whether it is bricklayers or surgeons it is the same. I don't like the idea of British skilled workers leaving the country to go to the highest bidder either so it works both ways. Quite happy if there is something in place to recoup some of the taxpayers money spent on educating these people e.g.people have to work in the country where they received the training for a set amount of time before they would be allowed to leave or face penalties. Governments can't afford to plan education around needs then have those skills poached by someone else." My parents worked overseas in the late 70s and 80s when I was young. That was always on fixed term, multi year contracts and then we were kicked out when the contract ended and the visa expired. I think that is the right way for any country to bring in and use talent. As for the point about depriving the original country of skills: working overseas lifted my family out of poverty. The UK was basically bankrupt when we left and my dad couldn’t even get a job that paid enough to clothe us properly despite working all hours. There was nothing here for us at that time so he took the opportunity that presented itself. | |||
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"Targeted immigration is my preferred choice. ie if the country needs 10,000 bricklayers and cannot get them from within the country then allow 10,000 people in that have those skills on temporary work visas or similar. As long as they can work, contribute and integrate for thier time here then it's a benefit. Of course the net figures are directly affected by the people leaving the UK. On the articles I read they did not specify why people were leaving or if they were migrants going back or indigenous people leaving for ever The only thing I have against that is that we are going to be paying higher wages to those people than they can earn in their own countries therefore their countries of origin lose a skill set that was paid for in that country. Whether it is bricklayers or surgeons it is the same. I don't like the idea of British skilled workers leaving the country to go to the highest bidder either so it works both ways. Quite happy if there is something in place to recoup some of the taxpayers money spent on educating these people e.g.people have to work in the country where they received the training for a set amount of time before they would be allowed to leave or face penalties. Governments can't afford to plan education around needs then have those skills poached by someone else. My parents worked overseas in the late 70s and 80s when I was young. That was always on fixed term, multi year contracts and then we were kicked out when the contract ended and the visa expired. I think that is the right way for any country to bring in and use talent. As for the point about depriving the original country of skills: working overseas lifted my family out of poverty. The UK was basically bankrupt when we left and my dad couldn’t even get a job that paid enough to clothe us properly despite working all hours. There was nothing here for us at that time so he took the opportunity that presented itself." This is how the middle eastern countries handle immigration today. Their working conditions are terrible. But their immigration model works both for the country and the immigrants. Most people are given 2 years visa which is impossible to convert to any kind of permanent residency status. They work for the two years(or more if they can renew), earn a lot of money and go back to settle down in their home country. | |||
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"All immigration I can't see any benefit from anything they have fetch to my country culture or multicultural So you don’t consider curry, kebabs or crispy duck an improvement to British culture? You don't value the the doctors and nurses who staff the NHS? You don't applaid the immigrants who start businesses, create jobs and pay millions into the treasury?" not really I'm not that bothered about kebabs or duck the doctor nurse thing has much as I appreciate what they do I'd say there only here because they pay more id rather they wasn't here or needed. | |||
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"Targeted immigration is my preferred choice. ie if the country needs 10,000 bricklayers and cannot get them from within the country then allow 10,000 people in that have those skills on temporary work visas or similar. As long as they can work, contribute and integrate for thier time here then it's a benefit. Of course the net figures are directly affected by the people leaving the UK. On the articles I read they did not specify why people were leaving or if they were migrants going back or indigenous people leaving for ever The only thing I have against that is that we are going to be paying higher wages to those people than they can earn in their own countries therefore their countries of origin lose a skill set that was paid for in that country. Whether it is bricklayers or surgeons it is the same. I don't like the idea of British skilled workers leaving the country to go to the highest bidder either so it works both ways. Quite happy if there is something in place to recoup some of the taxpayers money spent on educating these people e.g.people have to work in the country where they received the training for a set amount of time before they would be allowed to leave or face penalties. Governments can't afford to plan education around needs then have those skills poached by someone else." That's a very good point in regards to depriving other countries of labour as they can probably earn more here. No easy answer as this is true of all immigration, targeted or otherwise. | |||
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