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"All over the news" Reflecting on political realities apparently so probably the closest to resigning he has been but could still dig in. Burnham is the likely successor but what are his intentions, what direction does he want to take, is he to follow the labour manifesto or scrap it? | |||
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"Doesn't really matter as I don't think Joe Public will notice any significant change. Same old piss in a different shaped bottle." Exactly! It won’t make much difference in the long run. And all the labour luvvies who bitched about democracy when the Tories changed leaders without general elections will suddenly go quiet. | |||
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"All over the news" So was the Iranian surrender | |||
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"U turn tmrw " I dunno, it feels more real this time. I think he's going. | |||
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"U turn tmrw " He fights on, he fights on to win! | |||
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"U turn tmrw I dunno, it feels more real this time. I think he's going." When its been leaked that two of those currently in the highest offices of state have privately suggested its time to go and not been sacked/told to resign most likely because it would be reminiscent of Boris's final hours then yes i think the runes are cast.. How they manage it etc will be interesting so they can say well we aren't like the last lot etc . | |||
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"U turn tmrw I dunno, it feels more real this time. I think he's going. When its been leaked that two of those currently in the highest offices of state have privately suggested its time to go and not been sacked/told to resign most likely because it would be reminiscent of Boris's final hours then yes i think the runes are cast.. How they manage it etc will be interesting so they can say well we aren't like the last lot etc ." bit like when the iron lady went. | |||
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"possibly yes. my stock manager has started the process of moving my investments so they know something is or could be happening. he did this before the us/iran conflict and wasnt wrong." investors will be filling their pants at the prospect of net zero Ed as chancellor. | |||
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"possibly yes. my stock manager has started the process of moving my investments so they know something is or could be happening. he did this before the us/iran conflict and wasnt wrong." Ahhh, you poor little rich person…  | |||
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"U turn tmrw I dunno, it feels more real this time. I think he's going. When its been leaked that two of those currently in the highest offices of state have privately suggested its time to go and not been sacked/told to resign most likely because it would be reminiscent of Boris's final hours then yes i think the runes are cast.. How they manage it etc will be interesting so they can say well we aren't like the last lot etc . bit like when the iron lady went. "  | |||
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"Well let's see how good the Party is now. They'll have to come out of the blocks pretty well as they have all said it is for the best and Burnham is the saviour. Absolutely no excuses going forward.... unless he does a Truss. "Vote for us on Thursday (4th July 2024) and we will hit the ground running on Friday, said Kier Starmer Almost two years on, 16 policy u turns, 20 ministerial resignations, 1.5m unbuilt new homes, increased unemployment and national debt etc. Sunak was the only person who was right about Labour. What can Burnham turn around now ? | |||
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"Well let's see how good the Party is now. They'll have to come out of the blocks pretty well as they have all said it is for the best and Burnham is the saviour. Absolutely no excuses going forward.... unless he does a Truss.
Vote for us on Thursday (4th July 2024) and we will hit the ground running on Friday, said Kier Starmer
Almost two years on, 16 policy u turns, 20 ministerial resignations, 1.5m unbuilt new homes, increased unemployment and national debt etc. Sunak was the only person who was right about Labour.
What can Burnham turn around now ? "Nothing | |||
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"He's gone" Yep he's done the deed. It's looking like it's going to be a Burnham coronation as Starmer has said that he wants the "new leader" in place before the summer recess (July 16th) | |||
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"He's gone Yep he's done the deed. It's looking like it's going to be a Burnham coronation as Starmer has said that he wants the "new leader" in place before the summer recess (July 16th)" 7 PMs in 10 years. Our politics system is failing | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham?" He'll get a bit of a bounce in the polls, new broom and all that. But by the new year he won't be much more popular than Starmer is today. | |||
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"He's gone Yep he's done the deed. It's looking like it's going to be a Burnham coronation as Starmer has said that he wants the "new leader" in place before the summer recess (July 16th) 7 PMs in 10 years. Our politics system is failing " That is a very sad statistic. | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham?" He’ll lose the general election, which is why he won’t call one for a while. | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham? He'll get a bit of a bounce in the polls, new broom and all that. But by the new year he won't be much more popular than Starmer is today." Yeah that's my problem. He hasn't spoken anything about what policy changes he was going to make to solve any of the country's problems and Labour supporters are already pretending like he is going to do great. Though I am not a fan of Starmer, I think he should have been given more time. I don't see a reason why he should be ousted already. But I guess he failed the ideological purity test on the left. | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham? He’ll lose the general election, which is why he won’t call one for a while." Will he last till the next general election though? How long before someone else ousts him? | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham? He’ll lose the general election, which is why he won’t call one for a while. Will he last till the next general election though? How long before someone else ousts him?" I think he'll last until the next election. I think the labour party will view Burnham as their best chance to beat Farage. | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham? He’ll lose the general election, which is why he won’t call one for a while. Will he last till the next general election though? How long before someone else ousts him? I think he'll last until the next election. I think the labour party will view Burnham as their best chance to beat Farage." Labour won the last election because people wanted a change from the Tories and Starmer did the right thing by moving his policies towards centre so that he can attract the voters who were disillusioned by the Tories. He knew that appealing to a few loud mouths on the left alone wasn't good enough to win the election, as they learned from Corbyn's track record. Starmer overall understood the problems in the country. He just wasn't able to find the right solution. I don't know how Burnham is going to change the tide here. The guy hasn't even opened his mouth about policies. | |||
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"What's the bet? How long do you give for Andy Burnham? He’ll lose the general election, which is why he won’t call one for a while. Will he last till the next general election though? How long before someone else ousts him? I think he'll last until the next election. I think the labour party will view Burnham as their best chance to beat Farage. Labour won the last election because people wanted a change from the Tories and Starmer did the right thing by moving his policies towards centre so that he can attract the voters who were disillusioned by the Tories. He knew that appealing to a few loud mouths on the left alone wasn't good enough to win the election, as they learned from Corbyn's track record. Starmer overall understood the problems in the country. He just wasn't able to find the right solution. I don't know how Burnham is going to change the tide here. The guy hasn't even opened his mouth about policies." I think it's down to the public perception of him. Generally most of the general public like Burnham so Labour will see him as the popular choice come an election. | |||
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"Generally most of the general public like Burnham so Labour will see him as the popular choice come an election." Most of the general public liked Starmer when he was elected. That didn't last long once he got into power. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes for Burnham's approval rating to drop below zero. | |||
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"He's gone Yep he's done the deed. It's looking like it's going to be a Burnham coronation as Starmer has said that he wants the "new leader" in place before the summer recess (July 16th) 7 PMs in 10 years. Our politics system is failing " Who's to blame? Where are the people with the calibre of John Major or even Tony Blair, David Cameron? I don't think they enter politics anymore. The pay is far too low for a good leader and the structures of government, a loony left public sector and the wolves in the press just make it an almost impossible task to get anything done | |||
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"Will Reeves resign or wait to be sacked by team Andy " Wait, she is an opportunist. She is out of her depth as the Chancellor, however she has quietened down, this change just adds more risk to an already fragile economy. | |||
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"He's gone Yep he's done the deed. It's looking like it's going to be a Burnham coronation as Starmer has said that he wants the "new leader" in place before the summer recess (July 16th) 7 PMs in 10 years. Our politics system is failing Who's to blame? Where are the people with the calibre of John Major or even Tony Blair, David Cameron? I don't think they enter politics anymore. The pay is far too low for a good leader and the structures of government, a loony left public sector and the wolves in the press just make it an almost impossible task to get anything done" For me, there are too few politicians with any political conviction any more. Growing up, I would avidly listen to what Tony Wedgwood-Benn had to say; rarely agreed with anything he said but knew he meant what came out of his mouth. These days it’s more about personality than ability. Burnham comes across well in the media, but I have no idea what he stands for on anything. If he’s got any sense, he’ll be trying to keep Starmer on as Foreign Secretary. | |||
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"What does Burnham stand for, other than the North West?" He is a soft/additional leftist, he was against Corbyn , he's certainly not a communist. He align closely with unions and supports big institutions like the NHS and welfare estate, and a big role of the state but he is not a traditional statist as he believes in federalism/ devolution of power, he also supports tax cuts particularly for the lowest earners and freezing VAT. He believes strongly in immigration but he is not as soft as the current left-wing liberals, Probably the most interesting thing about him is his focus on infrastructure and how it can transform the economy although he is still in the outdated mindset of state controlled/managed infrastructure he's pro European , not sure if he's pro rejoining the EU or not | |||
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"He's gone Yep he's done the deed. It's looking like it's going to be a Burnham coronation as Starmer has said that he wants the "new leader" in place before the summer recess (July 16th) 7 PMs in 10 years. Our politics system is failing Who's to blame? Where are the people with the calibre of John Major or even Tony Blair, David Cameron? I don't think they enter politics anymore. The pay is far too low for a good leader and the structures of government, a loony left public sector and the wolves in the press just make it an almost impossible task to get anything done For me, there are too few politicians with any political conviction any more. Growing up, I would avidly listen to what Tony Wedgwood-Benn had to say; rarely agreed with anything he said but knew he meant what came out of his mouth. These days it’s more about personality than ability. Burnham comes across well in the media, but I have no idea what he stands for on anything. If he’s got any sense, he’ll be trying to keep Starmer on as Foreign Secretary. " The conservative woman is not doing too badly didn't like her at first, but she's growing on me a little bit. She's very thick skinned brave and determined, very typical of Nigerian women in business. Sometimes when she talks she can tell it's coming from her core beliefs. She's very patriotic and loyal to the UK more than most of the left-wing. Some people are starting to compare her to Thatcher! . | |||
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"‘Sir Keir Starmer: Top lawyer whose 'Mr Rules' approach failed to connect with the public’ apt bbc headline " I bet you came in Your pants when you heard he'd quit? 
Probably the most vocal anti Starmer member on here??
So what next Burnham and everyone moans until he's forced out, if we are not careful we are going to hand the next election to reform on a plate. | |||
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"Probably the most vocal anti Starmer member on here??" To be fair, KNTP has a downer on every politician not just Starmer. "So what next Burnham and everyone moans until he's forced out, if we are not careful we are going to hand the next election to reform on a plate." I think it's too late for that. In 3 years time Reform will be pointing at every single tax rise that happened under Burnham and saying "See, Labour just want to raise taxes. Last time they conned you by putting up a reasonable guy, only to replace him with a lefty as soon as they had the chance". It won't be true, but it'll feel true to those that have seen their taxes go up. | |||
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"So... The whole fucking musical chairs bollocks begins!! The Muppet show is in town eh? I wonder which of the useless fucking moronic champagne socialist gets in no. 10 " This country seems to have morphed into some kind of south American joke state with new PMs every month ( almost) This approach didn't work for the Tories and it's not going to work for labour. | |||
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"Six prime ministers leaving the post in the last 10 years. Only four in the 27 years prior to that. Has anything happened in the last 10 years that has made the job so difficult?" Quality of politicians I reckon. | |||
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"So... The whole fucking musical chairs bollocks begins!! The Muppet show is in town eh? I wonder which of the useless fucking moronic champagne socialist gets in no. 10 This country seems to have morphed into some kind of south American joke state with new PMs every month ( almost) This approach didn't work for the Tories and it's not going to work for labour. "
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"Six prime ministers leaving the post in the last 10 years. Only four in the 27 years prior to that. Has anything happened in the last 10 years that has made the job so difficult? Quality of politicians I reckon. " And polarised by unsolvable problems. | |||
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"What does Burnham stand for, other than the North West? He is a soft/additional leftist, he was against Corbyn , he's certainly not a communist. He align closely with unions and supports big institutions like the NHS and welfare estate, and a big role of the state but he is not a traditional statist as he believes in federalism/ devolution of power, he also supports tax cuts particularly for the lowest earners and freezing VAT. He believes strongly in immigration but he is not as soft as the current left-wing liberals, Probably the most interesting thing about him is his focus on infrastructure and how it can transform the economy although he is still in the outdated mindset of state controlled/managed infrastructure he's pro European , not sure if he's pro rejoining the EU or not" From bits I have read recently he seems to broadly for the current labour manifesto they were elected on even upholding the promise not to increase taxes etc. This maybe to help calm down any calls for a GE if only the leader changes and policy remains the same. Thing is will be better more successful with the old policies than Starmer or will he seek to radically change the policies | |||
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"Thing is will be better more successful with the old policies than Starmer or will he seek to radically change the policies " What can they achieve in less than three years. NHS waiting lists have fallen a bit Housing delivery is 50% behind Social housing delivery is negative Public debt interest and welfare cost has increased The financial attacks on farmers, pensioners, disabled, workers and savers won’t be forgotten in a hurry HS2 - can that be finished | |||
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"So... The whole fucking musical chairs bollocks begins!! The Muppet show is in town eh? I wonder which of the useless fucking moronic champagne socialist gets in no. 10 " A bit like the musical chairs scene in Evita. | |||
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"Was very amusing seeing him nearly lose it like Theresa may did" yeh tears for only himself.never had tears for the Southport little angels or other nasty things that have happened.its all me me me with that lying traitor. | |||
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"So, yet another PM looms. Like others have said, it’s getting ridiculous. We’re beginning to change PM’s as often as football clubs change managers. What happened to staying the course on the manifesto you were elected on, persisting with policy & seeing out a full term?" When you get voted in and don’t deliver time to move on. He did the right thing. | |||
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"So, yet another PM looms. Like others have said, it’s getting ridiculous. We’re beginning to change PM’s as often as football clubs change managers. What happened to staying the course on the manifesto you were elected on, persisting with policy & seeing out a full term? When you get voted in and don’t deliver time to move on. He did the right thing. " Only two years into a possible five year government though. Manifestos should be legally binding. Problem though are politicians are generally greasy weasels. They will resort to vague wording wherever possible, so they cannot be accused of breaking pledges. Then you have ‘events, dear boy, events’ giving them the excuse to change course. In short, it’s mostly b0llocks & Westminster is nothing more than a soap opera these days. Media don’t help of course. Once they smell blood, they generally don’t relent & now in the era of Social Media, the noise is amplified like never before, thus increasing the pressure. | |||
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"Thing is will be better more successful with the old policies than Starmer or will he seek to radically change the policies What can they achieve in less than three years. NHS waiting lists have fallen a bit Housing delivery is 50% behind Social housing delivery is negative Public debt interest and welfare cost has increased The financial attacks on farmers, pensioners, disabled, workers and savers won’t be forgotten in a hurry HS2 - can that be finished " It'll be different monkey same organ grinders | |||
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"Was very amusing seeing him nearly lose it like Theresa may didyeh tears for only himself.never had tears for the Southport little angels or other nasty things that have happened.its all me me me with that lying traitor." Nasty comment. Its not amusing. You dont know what he sees hears or has to deal with daily. A public resignation is a humiliation which none of us have to go through in front of the worlds media. Grow up with ur petty belittling comments. | |||
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"So, yet another PM looms. Like others have said, it’s getting ridiculous. We’re beginning to change PM’s as often as football clubs change managers. What happened to staying the course on the manifesto you were elected on, persisting with policy & seeing out a full term?" From the guardian; “ Some in Burnham’s team were exasperated about the shorter timetable. “The last lot had years to prepare and still fucked it up. We’ll just have to do it in three weeks,” one senior source said. “The length of the transition will focus minds.” Clearly unprepared for what’s coming. | |||
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"Was very amusing seeing him nearly lose it like Theresa may didyeh tears for only himself.never had tears for the Southport little angels or other nasty things that have happened.its all me me me with that lying traitor. Nasty comment. Its not amusing. You dont know what he sees hears or has to deal with daily. A public resignation is a humiliation which none of us have to go through in front of the worlds media. Grow up with ur petty belittling comments." was very amusing and jog on if you dont like what peoole say you dont have to engage | |||
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