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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking...." Did the attacker have mental health problems, or is it possibly a perceived threat more than an actual threat? Asking for a Green-voting friend (who assumed it was a false flag operation). | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking...." It's had extensive news coverage in Scotland but of course less so in england! Starmer has said (wrongly of course) " I will not tolerate this, he will face the full force of the law". He certainly will get prosecuted but it's outwith Starmers remit, we have our own Lord Avocate and our own Scots Law. | |||
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"A 36-year-old white Scottish man has been arrested But when it’s knife wielding Muslim doing the killing it takes a week for the perpetrator to be named " His name isn't included in that statement. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking...." Why do you say it's a non story. It's been on the front page of the BBC website since it happened and still is. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... Why do you say it's a non story. It's been on the front page of the BBC website since it happened and still is. " The front pages of the BBC website -yes. Quite happy with that. Had it been a Muslim that was walking around attacking people it would also have been on the front page of the BBC website. Fortunately, in this country, the media are unbiased. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... Why do you say it's a non story. It's been on the front page of the BBC website since it happened and still is. The front pages of the BBC website -yes. Quite happy with that. Had it been a Muslim that was walking around attacking people it would also have been on the front page of the BBC website. Fortunately, in this country, the media are unbiased. " News is generally on the news page which Leroy clarified the story was.. As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... Why do you say it's a non story. It's been on the front page of the BBC website since it happened and still is. The front pages of the BBC website -yes. Quite happy with that. Had it been a Muslim that was walking around attacking people it would also have been on the front page of the BBC website. Fortunately, in this country, the media are unbiased. " So in both cases they made the front page of the BBC site. Why then do you class it as a non story | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... Why do you say it's a non story. It's been on the front page of the BBC website since it happened and still is. The front pages of the BBC website -yes. Quite happy with that. Had it been a Muslim that was walking around attacking people it would also have been on the front page of the BBC website. Fortunately, in this country, the media are unbiased. So in both cases they made the front page of the BBC site. Why then do you class it as a non story " Very good Leroy - I think we have already established that it appears in the BBC website (that's where I saw it originally). Well spotted  | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... Why do you say it's a non story. It's been on the front page of the BBC website since it happened and still is. The front pages of the BBC website -yes. Quite happy with that. Had it been a Muslim that was walking around attacking people it would also have been on the front page of the BBC website. Fortunately, in this country, the media are unbiased. So in both cases they made the front page of the BBC site. Why then do you class it as a non story Very good Leroy - I think we have already established that it appears in the BBC website (that's where I saw it originally). Well spotted "Thanks but doesn't answer the question of why you class it as a non story | |||
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .." In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity. | |||
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .. In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity." You forgot to mention the five men he attacked during his racist rampage where he targeted the Muslim community.. Why omit something so widely reported..?  | |||
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .. In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity." Have you even seen the footage? He claims he was defending nations daughters from r**e yet I don't see how smashing in the windows of an Italian restaurant with a machete and turning over shelves in a shop helps that cause. He was a raging maniac who clearly has grandiose beliefs. And was rightly apprehended for it. We have enough problems in this country with our politicians taking us for a ride while having their pockets lined by the rich and powerful without us needing to turn again each other. There is a two tier but weren't not in theirs.. The sooner we figure that out and unite, the better for us all. | |||
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .." "In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity." "You forgot to mention the five men he attacked during his racist rampage where he targeted the Muslim community.. Why omit something so widely reported..?" At the time I wrote the post above, the BBC report just said "2 men have been injured". With no details about what may or may not have happened, I made no comment about it. | |||
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .. In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity. You forgot to mention the five men he attacked during his racist rampage where he targeted the Muslim community.. Why omit something so widely reported..? At the time I wrote the post above, the BBC report just said "2 men have been injured". With no details about what may or may not have happened, I made no comment about it." Really? Every news outlet including the BBC reported yesterday he attacked 5 people.. Let's assume you misread the actual number.. Why omit he had attacked people in his racist endeavours? | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking...." You are not going to believe this, but I will make my point anyway. You’re less in touch with the public mood than you think and are playing the same identity biased thinking game that you criticise others for.. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... You are not going top believe this, but I will male my point anyway. You’re falling into the same identity biased thinking and ranting that you are trying to criticise others for...." its easily done, the manipulation is deliberate and designed to divide.. All such attacks are abhorrent and it only serves the extremists on all sides who seek to have attacks in communities and reactions to such when people dont apply logic and wait for the facts before they attack the police and completely innocent people.. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... You are not going top believe this, but I will male my point anyway. You’re falling into the same identity biased thinking and ranting that you are trying to criticise others for.... its easily done, the manipulation is deliberate and designed to divide.. All such attacks are abhorrent and it only serves the extremists on all sides who seek to have attacks in communities and reactions to such when people dont apply logic and wait for the facts before they attack the police and completely innocent people.." I agree, but the people who do this are quite blind to it. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... You are not going top believe this, but I will male my point anyway. You’re falling into the same identity biased thinking and ranting that you are trying to criticise others for.... its easily done, the manipulation is deliberate and designed to divide.. All such attacks are abhorrent and it only serves the extremists on all sides who seek to have attacks in communities and reactions to such when people dont apply logic and wait for the facts before they attack the police and completely innocent people.. I agree, but the people who do this are quite blind to it. "
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .." "In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity." "You forgot to mention the five men he attacked during his racist rampage where he targeted the Muslim community.. Why omit something so widely reported..?" "At the time I wrote the post above, the BBC report just said "2 men have been injured". With no details about what may or may not have happened, I made no comment about it." "Really? Every news outlet including the BBC reported yesterday he attacked 5 people.. Let's assume you misread the actual number.. Why omit he had attacked people in his racist endeavours?" Even now it only says "5 people have been injured". If it turns out that those inquiries are all stab wounds, I'm sure Nigel will be condemning the attacker. If it transpires that they all have slight bruising from where the man bumped into them, then Farage probably won't say much. I don't know why you expect anyone to say anything about these injuries if no one is reporting what they are. | |||
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"As usual theres no call from the likes of farage for cold blooded rage and the rabble rousing fuckwits like him with multiple criminal convictions and musk etc who think the answer to most things is to burn and riot .. In the case where Farage called for rage, a man had attacked someone with a knife, stabbed him in the eye, and was threatening to behead him. In this recent case in Scotland a man has knocked some shelves over in a petrol station, smashed some car windows, and made a lot of noise banging in the door of a pizzeria. The 2 incidents are not really of the same severity. You forgot to mention the five men he attacked during his racist rampage where he targeted the Muslim community.. Why omit something so widely reported..? At the time I wrote the post above, the BBC report just said "2 men have been injured". With no details about what may or may not have happened, I made no comment about it. Really? Every news outlet including the BBC reported yesterday he attacked 5 people.. Let's assume you misread the actual number.. Why omit he had attacked people in his racist endeavours? Even now it only says "5 people have been injured". If it turns out that those inquiries are all stab wounds, I'm sure Nigel will be condemning the attacker. If it transpires that they all have slight bruising from where the man bumped into them, then Farage probably won't say much. I don't know why you expect anyone to say anything about these injuries if no one is reporting what they are." I wasn't expecting anything of the sort in relation to specific injuries, you appear to have made that assumption up.. Fact is it was reported at the time that 5 people were attacked, not 2 people and not yesterday.. You deliberately ignored the attacks upon thise people and tried to downplay the incident in some sort of justification for farage saying what he did following an abhorrent attack .. | |||
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"I don't know why you expect anyone to say anything about these injuries if no one is reporting what they are." "I wasn't expecting anything of the sort in relation to specific injuries, you appear to have made that assumption up.." You started this discussion by criticising Nigel Farage for not speaking out on the issue, like he did the last time someone was attacked and horrifically injured. I pointed out that you can't expect him to say something about it if there's no information available. "Fact is it was reported at the time that 5 people were attacked, not 2 people and not yesterday.." Maybe so. The report I read was an early version and only said that 2 people had been injured with no detail of their injuries. "You deliberately ignored the attacks upon thise people and tried to downplay the incident in some sort of justification for farage saying what he did following an abhorrent attack .." I've not tried to downplay the incident in any way, I've just said that you can't expect political leaders to condemn a person if we don't know the facts of the situation. | |||
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"I don't know why you expect anyone to say anything about these injuries if no one is reporting what they are. I wasn't expecting anything of the sort in relation to specific injuries, you appear to have made that assumption up.. You started this discussion by criticising Nigel Farage for not speaking out on the issue, like he did the last time someone was attacked and horrifically injured. I pointed out that you can't expect him to say something about it if there's no information available. Fact is it was reported at the time that 5 people were attacked, not 2 people and not yesterday.. Maybe so. The report I read was an early version and only said that 2 people had been injured with no detail of their injuries. You deliberately ignored the attacks upon thise people and tried to downplay the incident in some sort of justification for farage saying what he did following an abhorrent attack .. I've not tried to downplay the incident in any way, I've just said that you can't expect political leaders to condemn a person if we don't know the facts of the situation." The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. Thats why the likes of farage said nothing, they could have condemned it straight away but similar to last year three gangs/groups of white people were rightly convicted of sexual a#use of the highest severity the far right etc go quiet.. And some people then seek the implausible to deflect or excuse them.. Its all atrocious regardless of the colour of the skin of the perpetrators.. We arent going to agree so thats me out on this.. | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking...." What a bizarre post. The incident was widely reported in the press. That is where I saw it. | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .." This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up." I have to respond
It was all there literally instantly which the speed of modern media gives..
He was screaming racist tropes as he attacked various shops and an Asian taxi drivers vehicle..
Thats not assuming anything its evidently a racist motivated incident..
But hey keep pretending the clear and obvious didnt happen..
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up." Given that he attacked only non white people, and shouted that he was ‘protecting the country’ what do you think he was motivated by? | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. Given that he attacked only non white people, and shouted that he was ‘protecting the country’ what do you think he was motivated by?" What would you say to a person who made assumptions about someone who attacked only white people? Would you accept that they were likely to be correct? | |||
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"Another non-story as it wasn't a Muslim doing the attacking.... Did the attacker have mental health problems, or is it possibly a perceived threat more than an actual threat? Asking for a Green-voting friend (who assumed it was a false flag operation)." | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. Given that he attacked only non white people, and shouted that he was ‘protecting the country’ what do you think he was motivated by? What would you say to a person who made assumptions about someone who attacked only white people? Would you accept that they were likely to be correct? " If they were shouting comments that also make it seem like a racist attack, then yes. I’m confused why people are so quick to jump to conclusions when a non-white person attacks a white person, yet when it’s the other way around we have to remain calm and await the facts. That to me points to a very obvious ‘bias,’ would you agree? | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .." "This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up." "It was all there literally instantly which the speed of modern media gives.. He was screaming racist tropes as he attacked various shops and an Asian taxi drivers vehicle.. Thats not assuming anything its evidently a racist motivated incident.. But hey keep pretending the clear and obvious didnt happen.." Here's the report I'm reading: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j21zvkd20o In there the only words quoted from the attacker are him shouting that he was "protecting the country". That could be racism, religious hatred, xenophobia, or just mad ranting. If you have reliable sources with more quotes from the attacker, let me know what you're seeing. | |||
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"I’m confused why people are so quick to jump to conclusions when a non-white person attacks a white person, yet when it’s the other way around we have to remain calm and await the facts. That to me points to a very obvious ‘bias,’ would you agree?" If it's the same person that condemns non-whites, but holds back on whites, then yes I'd agree with you. If you see someone waiting for evidence on a white attacker and just assume that they'd immediately condemn a black man, then you'll find that you're probably wrong. | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. It was all there literally instantly which the speed of modern media gives.. He was screaming racist tropes as he attacked various shops and an Asian taxi drivers vehicle.. Thats not assuming anything its evidently a racist motivated incident.. But hey keep pretending the clear and obvious didnt happen.. Here's the report I'm reading: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j21zvkd20o In there the only words quoted from the attacker are him shouting that he was "protecting the country". That could be racism, religious hatred, xenophobia, or just mad ranting. If you have reliable sources with more quotes from the attacker, let me know what you're seeing." First mention of mental health, do you think he was a lone wolf too? I’m not sure if you’ve been to Edinburgh but it’s pretty white, 84% white in fact, and the attacker travelled at least five and a half miles, he would’ve encountered a lot of white people, yet he only attacked non-whites. Does that strike you as strange for an attack that wasn’t racially motivated? | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. Given that he attacked only non white people, and shouted that he was ‘protecting the country’ what do you think he was motivated by? What would you say to a person who made assumptions about someone who attacked only white people? Would you accept that they were likely to be correct? If they were shouting comments that also make it seem like a racist attack, then yes. I’m confused why people are so quick to jump to conclusions when a non-white person attacks a white person, yet when it’s the other way around we have to remain calm and await the facts. That to me points to a very obvious ‘bias,’ would you agree?" You are confused by your own response then | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. Given that he attacked only non white people, and shouted that he was ‘protecting the country’ what do you think he was motivated by? What would you say to a person who made assumptions about someone who attacked only white people? Would you accept that they were likely to be correct? If they were shouting comments that also make it seem like a racist attack, then yes. I’m confused why people are so quick to jump to conclusions when a non-white person attacks a white person, yet when it’s the other way around we have to remain calm and await the facts. That to me points to a very obvious ‘bias,’ would you agree? You are confused by your own response then" Not at all. You seem to be struggling with your comprehension. Is all that clutching at straws making you tired? | |||
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"The facts were released straight away with online footage, that a white male had gone on a racist rampage .. This is where you and me differ. You're willing to assume that the guy was motivated by racism, and I'm not. I'd rather wait for the facts to emerge before making my mind up. Given that he attacked only non white people, and shouted that he was ‘protecting the country’ what do you think he was motivated by? What would you say to a person who made assumptions about someone who attacked only white people? Would you accept that they were likely to be correct? If they were shouting comments that also make it seem like a racist attack, then yes. I’m confused why people are so quick to jump to conclusions when a non-white person attacks a white person, yet when it’s the other way around we have to remain calm and await the facts. That to me points to a very obvious ‘bias,’ would you agree? You are confused by your own response then Not at all. You seem to be struggling with your comprehension. Is all that clutching at straws making you tired?" I made the same point around 17 hours ago if you look up the thread, you fit nicely into that. | |||
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"Here's the report I'm reading: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8j21zvkd20o In there the only words quoted from the attacker are him shouting that he was "protecting the country". That could be racism, religious hatred, xenophobia, or just mad ranting. If you have reliable sources with more quotes from the attacker, let me know what you're seeing." "First mention of mental health, do you think he was a lone wolf too?" As I've repeatedly said above, I don't think anything of him. I'll wait for the evidence to come out before I make a decision. "I’m not sure if you’ve been to Edinburgh but it’s pretty white, 84% white in fact, and the attacker travelled at least five and a half miles, he would’ve encountered a lot of white people, yet he only attacked non-whites. Does that strike you as strange for an attack that wasn’t racially motivated?" Only attacking non-white people could easily be xenophobia or religious-based intolerance. It would also fit someone that was against immigration and who looked for obvious (but probably incorrect) clues. Just to make it abundantly clear, this man has committed several crimes and he deserves to be punished for what he's done. The only thing I'm unwilling to do is to guess his motivations, or to guess at the level of injury he's caused in the absence of any reporting on those matters. | |||
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"A 36-year-old white Scottish man has been arrested But when it’s knife wielding Muslim doing the killing it takes a week for the perpetrator to be named His name isn't included in that statement." In as thinking that was a fucking ridiculous statement too lol | |||
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"so the charge is a terrorist mass attack perpetrated by yet another racist shit sack with a knife then " But can we really know he’s racist in his heart? Surely we have to wait for the post mortem? | |||
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