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"Starmer is finished as PM. Expect Burnham to replace him by Autumn. " Ive been hearing that for months 🙄 | |||
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"Starmer is finished as PM. Expect Burnham to replace him by Autumn. " thats even if burnham wins | |||
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"Hopefully restore britain win..aim high...vote lowe" There's a fine line between optimism and delusion. | |||
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"Hopefully Reform win to keep Burnham out. As PM he would be worse than Starmer." Polls suggest that Reform won't win because Restore is taking away a decent chunk of their votes. | |||
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"Hopefully Reform win to keep Burnham out. As PM he would be worse than Starmer. Polls suggest that Reform won't win because Restore is taking away a decent chunk of their votes." That does sound a likely outcome though I'm not sure Reform would win even if it didn't have the problem of Restore reducing their votes. Listening to the radio the other week where they went to look around the area, Burnham has distanced himself from the Labour party and is focusing on selling himself as a local and popular person. His posters have the labour party in small print. I think given the unpopularity of the current government it's a clever move on his part. | |||
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"Hopefully Reform win to keep Burnham out. As PM he would be worse than Starmer. Polls suggest that Reform won't win because Restore is taking away a decent chunk of their votes." I think Restore are a convenient excuse for Reform, whenever their candidates face scrutiny they seem to fall apart. | |||
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"Hopefully Reform win to keep Burnham out. As PM he would be worse than Starmer. Polls suggest that Reform won't win because Restore is taking away a decent chunk of their votes. I think Restore are a convenient excuse for Reform, whenever their candidates face scrutiny they seem to fall apart. " Current poll predictions: Labour - 46% Reform - 41% Restore - 7% | |||
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"Have any of the 41% in the poll heard the Reform candidate speak? He is maybe a decent man under his bluster but he is not suited to the role of representing that constituency. He is lacking the skills required and is a really poor choice by the Reform hierarchy. " A bit like many MPs then!! | |||
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"Hopefully Reform win to keep Burnham out. As PM he would be worse than Starmer. Polls suggest that Reform won't win because Restore is taking away a decent chunk of their votes." Bit like the general election, labour didn't win, the right lost as votes split between Tories and reform. Keir got less votes than Corbyn when labour was aniliated. Got to question how a government with such a large majority got there with about 18-19% of the country voting for them | |||
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"Have any of the 41% in the poll heard the Reform candidate speak? He is maybe a decent man under his bluster but he is not suited to the role of representing that constituency. He is lacking the skills required and is a really poor choice by the Reform hierarchy. " He was on Question Time and doesn't do himself any favours. He's claimed he's sexist, which isn't a great look, so he's similar to many from Reform, who have broadly objectionable positions. | |||
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"I don't understand. Why will Starmer's departure improve things for the people of Britain? I can see why the self interest of Reform and the Conservatives will benefit. But what will Burnham do to ingratiate himself if not borrow more money than we can afford as a sop to the masses? After the clown show of Johnson and Truss, and self agrandising of Sunak, Starmer, unpopular though he is, has at least tried to make the country more financially responsible. Now we also face the possibility of Farage as PM, a man with no experience of Government, at all!! A follower of Trumpeconomics. Dear God!! How could any cognisant person miss the massive irrepairable damage Trump has done to the USA? So tell me, why must Starmer go? " Starmer is completely useless. He and Reeves have trashed the economy, increased taxes, paid more benefits, paid public sector workers more while destroying private sector jobs , vindictively attacked certain people including pensioners and farmers, etc. As for foreign policy he has also tried to give away the Chagos islands (offering to pay for the privilege), conceded immigration control in Gibraltar to the Spanish, given control of some areas of policy to the EU without getting anything in return, given the EU access to our fisheries for no return, etc. He has not increased defence funding but panders to the rabid green lobby by refusing to extract our fossil fuels, destroying industry with high energy prices and increasing household bills (his solution to this is social tariffs but they are paid for by the diminishing number of people who can pay their bills). I could go on. However I am not sure he needs replacing as all the alternatives in the Labour Party are worse. Hence my comment about Reform winning in Makerfield. The Reform candidate is poor and it isn’t a party that I have ever voted for however if I was in the constituency I might consider it just to keep Burnham from No 10. | |||
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"So tell me, why must Starmer go? " If there's to be any integrity or moral authority in politics, Starmer should go. When his ministers aren't resigning in protest at his decisions, they are being sacked for misconduct. You can't 'lead' a party if that party is openly talking about how best to get your replacement in position. If we accept that politics has no honour and that the houses are filled with duplicitous hypocrites, then there's no reason to force Starmer out just to replace him with another example. | |||
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"If we accept that politics has no honour and that the houses are filled with duplicitous hypocrites, then there's no reason to force Starmer out just to replace him with another example." That’s the current situation with the crop of MPs at the moment. The ones who cared and had morals have already resigned. The rest are fighting to keep their jobs in the cesspool. | |||
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"So tell me, why must Starmer go? If there's to be any integrity or moral authority in politics, Starmer should go. When his ministers aren't resigning in protest at his decisions, they are being sacked for misconduct. You can't 'lead' a party if that party is openly talking about how best to get your replacement in position. If we accept that politics has no honour and that the houses are filled with duplicitous hypocrites, then there's no reason to force Starmer out just to replace him with another example." I agree totally with your last paragraph. In the 2025 ipsos Veracity Index Government Ministers and Politicians generally scored 1 and 2 from the bottom with 14% and 9% respectively. The absolute bottom of the pile, quite rightly in my opinion, was Social Media Influencers at 8%. Nurses (92%), engineers (90%) and doctors (85%) topped the list. | |||
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"It wasn’t even close, a terrible night for Farage." And a worse night for the country, as Burnham now has a reasonable chance of being PM. | |||
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"It wasn’t even close, a terrible night for Farage. And a worse night for the country, as Burnham now has a reasonable chance of being PM." The best thing is that it shows Reform have peaked, Farage is incredibly unlikely to ever be in a position to be PM. Which is the best news the country could have hoped for. | |||
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"reform peaked off the back of the lunatic fringes little protest vote in may and are now in decline as proven in the three by-elections last night, where they've come nowhere near expanding their pathetically few seats in westminster." They, in their own words’ threw everything at the seat’, and were trounced. | |||
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"No wonder people don't turn up to vote .. utter shambles. Country desperately needs labour out of office. Crippling national debt is growing at £200,000 every single MINUTE !!! And these idiots are borrowing more money to give to folk who can't afford the kids they've already got, to have more kids.. You honestly couldn't make this shit up, time to leave the ship to sink. The left couldn't run a bath. " Why do you think people rejected Reform so resoundingly in a seat they threw everything and the crypto sink at? | |||
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"No wonder people don't turn up to vote .. utter shambles. Country desperately needs labour out of office. Crippling national debt is growing at £200,000 every single MINUTE !!! And these idiots are borrowing more money to give to folk who can't afford the kids they've already got, to have more kids.. You honestly couldn't make this shit up, time to leave the ship to sink. The left couldn't run a bath. " Fact - During 14 years in office from May 2010 to July 2024 the conservatives increased the national debt by £1,620,000,000,000 at an average rate of £220,156 per minute. Obviously Labour are idiots!! They are falling behind the Conservatives in debt increase at a rate of £20,000 per minute. | |||
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"No wonder people don't turn up to vote .. utter shambles. Country desperately needs labour out of office. Crippling national debt is growing at £200,000 every single MINUTE !!! And these idiots are borrowing more money to give to folk who can't afford the kids they've already got, to have more kids.. You honestly couldn't make this shit up, time to leave the ship to sink. The left couldn't run a bath. Fact - During 14 years in office from May 2010 to July 2024 the conservatives increased the national debt by £1,620,000,000,000 at an average rate of £220,156 per minute. Obviously Labour are idiots!! They are falling behind the Conservatives in debt increase at a rate of £20,000 per minute. " Your forgot to mention the impact of Covid. Makes the comparison totally meaningless without taking it into account. | |||
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"reform peaked off the back of the lunatic fringes little protest vote in may and are now in decline as proven in the three by-elections last night, where they've come nowhere near expanding their pathetically few seats in westminster. They, in their own words’ threw everything at the seat’, and were trounced." A very strange comment. As a party they did not exist unto recently yet they won 34.5% of the vote . Another issue faced by Reform was the split in the right wing vote. | |||
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"reform peaked off the back of the lunatic fringes little protest vote in may and are now in decline as proven in the three by-elections last night, where they've come nowhere near expanding their pathetically few seats in westminster. They, in their own words’ threw everything at the seat’, and were trounced. A very strange comment. As a party they did not exist unto recently yet they won 34.5% of the vote . Another issue faced by Reform was the split in the right wing vote. " hi and thanks for the reply, despite it being very odd reply to make. last nights result shows it's safe to ignore the lunatic fringe vote when the labour candidate gallops away with a seismic win that dwarfs the total vote of the three lunatic fringe parties combined. hope this helps. | |||
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"reform peaked off the back of the lunatic fringes little protest vote in may and are now in decline as proven in the three by-elections last night, where they've come nowhere near expanding their pathetically few seats in westminster. They, in their own words’ threw everything at the seat’, and were trounced. A very strange comment. As a party they did not exist unto recently yet they won 34.5% of the vote . Another issue faced by Reform was the split in the right wing vote. " Not really, political parties can rise and fall very quickly, look at the SDP. They were at 50% in opinion polling in 1981 but in the 1983 GE they trailed in 3rd behind Labour, on about 24%. By 1987 they held only 5 seats in the election. Makerfield was a top target for Reform even before the by election was announced, they threw everything at it but were still convincingly beaten. Does this show Reform are yesterday’s hard right party, and Restore are the coming force? | |||
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"We are saved Andy is here probably the most important day of our lives politically, well at least for those of us born after 1945." cue the pledges; Andy’s new values, turning the corner, delivering for the people, stop the chaos, building 1.5M new homes, smash the gangs, growth growth growth blah | |||
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"reform peaked off the back of the lunatic fringes little protest vote in may and are now in decline as proven in the three by-elections last night, where they've come nowhere near expanding their pathetically few seats in westminster. They, in their own words’ threw everything at the seat’, and were trounced. A very strange comment. As a party they did not exist unto recently yet they won 34.5% of the vote . Another issue faced by Reform was the split in the right wing vote. Not really, political parties can rise and fall very quickly, look at the SDP. They were at 50% in opinion polling in 1981 but in the 1983 GE they trailed in 3rd behind Labour, on about 24%. By 1987 they held only 5 seats in the election. Makerfield was a top target for Reform even before the by election was announced, they threw everything at it but were still convincingly beaten. Does this show Reform are yesterday’s hard right party, and Restore are the coming force?" Makerfield being a target for Reform doesn't mean that the defeat somehow reduces their chances of winning a GE. It's just one bi-election in a place that has been historically a Labour stronghold. I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result. | |||
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" I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result." Agreed, this has been derailed, nothing to do with reform, this by election is about the removal of Kier Starmer. | |||
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" I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result. Agreed, this has been derailed, nothing to do with reform, this by election is about the removal of Kier Starmer. " perhaps you should've titled the thread accordingly in that case, instead of giving it a clickbait title regarding the by-election to disguise that it is in fact just another in a series of your bash starmer threads. | |||
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" I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result. Agreed, this has been derailed, nothing to do with reform, this by election is about the removal of Kier Starmer. " Interesting, this is exactly the line that Reform has been trotting out on the radio this morning. | |||
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"We are saved Andy is here probably the most important day of our lives politically, well at least for those of us born after 1945." Give it a year and they will be baying for his head as well. | |||
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" I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result. Agreed, this has been derailed, nothing to do with reform, this by election is about the removal of Kier Starmer. " Yeah anyone can see that this is about challenging Starmer. It wouldn't be long before they try to oust Starmer and replace him with Burnham. Reform tried their best and still won 35% of votes in a traditionally Labour seat. There is no signal that they are losing support in the rest of the country. | |||
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"Labour are a disaster whatever they do with the leadership. Too many cooks have fucked up UK since Churchill went. Not saying we need another Churchill today. Too far gone for that even. Keep farting around with the recipe the cake falls apart. " Churchill was a disaster as a peacetime PM, he pretty much ignored the crises at home in favour of trying to keep the empire together. He was exactly the person who was needed in WWII but let’s not pretend he shouldn’t have left it there. | |||
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"No wonder people don't turn up to vote .. utter shambles. Country desperately needs labour out of office. Crippling national debt is growing at £200,000 every single MINUTE !!! And these idiots are borrowing more money to give to folk who can't afford the kids they've already got, to have more kids.. You honestly couldn't make this shit up, time to leave the ship to sink. The left couldn't run a bath. Fact - During 14 years in office from May 2010 to July 2024 the conservatives increased the national debt by £1,620,000,000,000 at an average rate of £220,156 per minute. Obviously Labour are idiots!! They are falling behind the Conservatives in debt increase at a rate of £20,000 per minute. Your forgot to mention the impact of Covid. Makes the comparison totally meaningless without taking it into account. " And the effect of the massive hole in the treasury coffers caused by the conservatives when they realised they were to lose the election. There is always a reason. 🤷🏽 | |||
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"We are saved Andy is here probably the most important day of our lives politically, well at least for those of us born after 1945." lol outside of manchester no one would give him the time of day, another blairite is all he is | |||
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"We are saved Andy is here probably the most important day of our lives politically, well at least for those of us born after 1945.lol outside of manchester no one would give him the time of day, another blairite is all he is" How do they feel about him in Moscow? | |||
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"Kier Starmer has issued a warning. If Burnham wins tomorrow Starmer says a leadership contest would be a "bad thing" for the country. He says his party were "going to have to pull our sleeves up to make sure that there is another Labour victory". What are the odds of Starmer surviving assuming Burnham wins tomorrow ? " Starmer is a dead man walking and he should do the dignified thing and resign. He won’t win a leadership contest so he is gone sooner or later what ever happens | |||
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" I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result. Agreed, this has been derailed, nothing to do with reform, this by election is about the removal of Kier Starmer. Yeah anyone can see that this is about challenging Starmer. It wouldn't be long before they try to oust Starmer and replace him with Burnham. Reform tried their best and still won 35% of votes in a traditionally Labour seat. There is no signal that they are losing support in the rest of the country. " I think Reform will be sorely disappointed not just because of loosing but the margin they list by. Andy Burnham correctly chose to distance himself from the Labour party and focused on selling himself as a highly popular person in the area. If he does replace Starmer he has a lot of work ahead as not every area is a really strong labour seat and he might not be as popular elsewhere. Reform seem to have found their ceiling for now though in this by election and the one in Scotland they increased their percentage of votes so maybe they aren't done just yet | |||
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" I am not a Farage voter. But it doesn't make any sense to jump into conclusions about his GE prospects based on this result. Agreed, this has been derailed, nothing to do with reform, this by election is about the removal of Kier Starmer. Yeah anyone can see that this is about challenging Starmer. It wouldn't be long before they try to oust Starmer and replace him with Burnham. Reform tried their best and still won 35% of votes in a traditionally Labour seat. There is no signal that they are losing support in the rest of the country. I think Reform will be sorely disappointed not just because of loosing but the margin they list by. Andy Burnham correctly chose to distance himself from the Labour party and focused on selling himself as a highly popular person in the area. If he does replace Starmer he has a lot of work ahead as not every area is a really strong labour seat and he might not be as popular elsewhere. Reform seem to have found their ceiling for now though in this by election and the one in Scotland they increased their percentage of votes so maybe they aren't done just yet " I agree. I don't think Reform has any more votes to grab, except maybe Restore's votes. But what they have maybe enough to win a GE. Of course, a GE is far away and the challenge for them will be to hold on to these votes. | |||
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"We are saved Andy is here probably the most important day of our lives politically, well at least for those of us born after 1945.lol outside of manchester no one would give him the time of day, another blairite is all he is How do they feel about him in Moscow?" Moscow? What the hell are you pratterling on about? | |||
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