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"It is typical government overreach by incompetent politicians who don’t understand technology. Keeping children safe is the parents’ job not the state. Having said that, Apple has age verified all UK users already, and the latest phones have face id so it isn’t difficult. It is a better solution than using dubious age verification companies as has been forced on the porn industry." I use an iPhone . Have not done age verification on there . Yet can access Fab. Plus another adult site. On one news feed that said about how would work. Showed video. Basically showed , said nude selfie done. On screen software would auto blur . Way to see and send . Age verify every photo. Same as if already in photo albums. Basically ‘BigBrother’ watching everything on phone . | |||
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"It is typical government overreach by incompetent politicians who don’t understand technology. Keeping children safe is the parents’ job not the state. Having said that, Apple has age verified all UK users already, and the latest phones have face id so it isn’t difficult. It is a better solution than using dubious age verification companies as has been forced on the porn industry. I use an iPhone . Have not done age verification on there . Yet can access Fab. Plus another adult site. On one news feed that said about how would work. Showed video. Basically showed , said nude selfie done. On screen software would auto blur . Way to see and send . Age verify every photo. Same as if already in photo albums. Basically ‘BigBrother’ watching everything on phone . " Apple have used the data they already have in you to verify your age. They only asked people who they were unsure about. | |||
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"Yesterday SKS . Gives tech companies 3 months to implement new software to stop minors using images . From reading this . Any phone ( possible device ) that can take, view or send an image . Must have new software installed. Reading this ? If anyone, tries or takes a nude photo , has a nude image on phone to send . Proof of age to do must be proved .A warning blurring photo shown on screen. If implemented ? How will this work . Software does not know who operating a device . Comments " Yes I agree in principle let's see if it works | |||
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"Didnt realise the state had to parent our kids, its the parents job to keep there kids safe if they are incapable if doing that prosecute the parents" How can parents control photos on kids phones apart from flushing them down the toilet ? Is it your parents job to prevent you speeding or shoplifting | |||
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"Didnt realise the state had to parent our kids, its the parents job to keep there kids safe if they are incapable if doing that prosecute the parents How can parents control photos on kids phones apart from flushing them down the toilet ? Is it your parents job to prevent you speeding or shoplifting " Don’t give them smart phones until they are old enough to be sensible. For the first few years of having a smart phone lock it down using parental control software. Warn them that if they deliberately circumvent your rules that you will change the phone for a dumb one. Etc. Fairly easy really. | |||
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"Didnt realise the state had to parent our kids, its the parents job to keep there kids safe if they are incapable if doing that prosecute the parents" In the UK, the state has already imposed measures to prevent children from being able to access pornography. This has been going on for many years, so is a continuation of those precedents. The state restricts access to many things, including Christmas crackers and spray paint. Parents and guardians still have responsibilities but the state is not willing to leave vulnerable people, to the vagaries of the market and others. As software is now sophisticated enough to be able to restrict hardware and users, from being able to impose harm, I think it's a reasonable measure. Neither Apple or Google are struggling financially, to be unable to do this. | |||
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"Yesterday SKS . Gives tech companies 3 months to implement new software to stop minors using images . From reading this . Any phone ( possible device ) that can take, view or send an image . Must have new software installed. Reading this ? If anyone, tries or takes a nude photo , has a nude image on phone to send . Proof of age to do must be proved .A warning blurring photo shown on screen. If implemented ? How will this work . Software does not know who operating a device . Comments " The implementation you describe is technologically impossible. | |||
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"Yesterday SKS . Gives tech companies 3 months to implement new software to stop minors using images . From reading this . Any phone ( possible device ) that can take, view or send an image . Must have new software installed. Reading this ? If anyone, tries or takes a nude photo , has a nude image on phone to send . Proof of age to do must be proved .A warning blurring photo shown on screen. If implemented ? How will this work . Software does not know who operating a device . Comments The implementation you describe is technologically impossible." You think impossible . Then when watching news online . Faces are often blurred . So that technology is already in place . I use another adult site . Similar to this. Have profile on there . Only photo’s I can see are photo’s of clothed profiles. All others have warning saying . Adult content. | |||
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"Yesterday SKS . Gives tech companies 3 months to implement new software to stop minors using images . From reading this . Any phone ( possible device ) that can take, view or send an image . Must have new software installed. Reading this ? If anyone, tries or takes a nude photo , has a nude image on phone to send . Proof of age to do must be proved .A warning blurring photo shown on screen. If implemented ? How will this work . Software does not know who operating a device . Comments The implementation you describe is technologically impossible. You think impossible . Then when watching news online . Faces are often blurred . So that technology is already in place . I use another adult site . Similar to this. Have profile on there . Only photo’s I can see are photo’s of clothed profiles. All others have warning saying . Adult content. " In a closed ecosystem, sure. But if apps have direct access to hardware and can encrypt, it's not really feasible to lock down an entire device from a purely software perspective. At the very least, you'd need to implement at the firmware level. It's not within the power of social media companies to do that kind of thing at their app level. You'd need to build a phone from the ground up to restrict like that. This is just going on the implementation that your described. Elements could be done in isolation, but kids would simply find other avenues. | |||
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"Yesterday SKS . Gives tech companies 3 months to implement new software to stop minors using images . From reading this . Any phone ( possible device ) that can take, view or send an image . Must have new software installed. Reading this ? If anyone, tries or takes a nude photo , has a nude image on phone to send . Proof of age to do must be proved .A warning blurring photo shown on screen. If implemented ? How will this work . Software does not know who operating a device . Comments The implementation you describe is technologically impossible. You think impossible . Then when watching news online . Faces are often blurred . So that technology is already in place . I use another adult site . Similar to this. Have profile on there . Only photo’s I can see are photo’s of clothed profiles. All others have warning saying . Adult content. In a closed ecosystem, sure. But if apps have direct access to hardware and can encrypt, it's not really feasible to lock down an entire device from a purely software perspective. At the very least, you'd need to implement at the firmware level. It's not within the power of social media companies to do that kind of thing at their app level. You'd need to build a phone from the ground up to restrict like that. This is just going on the implementation that your described. Elements could be done in isolation, but kids would simply find other avenues." This if allowed is SKS is saying requires tech firms to implement . The UK government has mandated that tech companies—including Apple and Google—implement built-in technical solutions on smartphones to detect and block nude images for children. If companies fail to act, legislation will enforce these changes with heavy fines. This builds on existing measures requiring platforms to remove abusive intimate images within 48 hours. So this will mean if implemented. Any image taken or uploaded say from a camera . Would be detected and person informed they must prove being an adult . This will override any already setting on phones ? | |||
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"Yesterday SKS . Gives tech companies 3 months to implement new software to stop minors using images . From reading this . Any phone ( possible device ) that can take, view or send an image . Must have new software installed. Reading this ? If anyone, tries or takes a nude photo , has a nude image on phone to send . Proof of age to do must be proved .A warning blurring photo shown on screen. If implemented ? How will this work . Software does not know who operating a device . Comments The implementation you describe is technologically impossible. You think impossible . Then when watching news online . Faces are often blurred . So that technology is already in place . I use another adult site . Similar to this. Have profile on there . Only photo’s I can see are photo’s of clothed profiles. All others have warning saying . Adult content. In a closed ecosystem, sure. But if apps have direct access to hardware and can encrypt, it's not really feasible to lock down an entire device from a purely software perspective. At the very least, you'd need to implement at the firmware level. It's not within the power of social media companies to do that kind of thing at their app level. You'd need to build a phone from the ground up to restrict like that. This is just going on the implementation that your described. Elements could be done in isolation, but kids would simply find other avenues." If the operation system providers are given legal responsibility to create, deploy, manage, etc the technical abilities of devices, would they be able to deliver firmware and operating system updates that could restrict devices from being able to view, store or share nudes, unless they are designated as used by an adult, even if it's a 1 time validation or similar? | |||
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" If the operation system providers are given legal responsibility to create, deploy, manage, etc the technical abilities of devices, would they be able to deliver firmware and operating system updates that could restrict devices from being able to view, store or share nudes, unless they are designated as used by an adult, even if it's a 1 time validation or similar? " Just imagine the processing power that would consume. The invasive code. And being able to circumvent with all manner of exploits. | |||
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" If the operation system providers are given legal responsibility to create, deploy, manage, etc the technical abilities of devices, would they be able to deliver firmware and operating system updates that could restrict devices from being able to view, store or share nudes, unless they are designated as used by an adult, even if it's a 1 time validation or similar? Just imagine the processing power that would consume. The invasive code. And being able to circumvent with all manner of exploits." Try uploading a nude photo to Facebook. The tech is already there to block | |||
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" Try uploading a nude photo to Facebook. The tech is already there to block " Of course it is. Think of this like a war against nudity. Facebook is Sparta defending at Thermopylae. The UK government is trying to defend an African plane from armies from all of the European, Arab and African colonisers. | |||
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"It amazes me how quickly people and governments have become reliant on tech to fix private individuals bad behaviour. The transfer of accountability and responsibility is a huge social problem." To be fair, the tech companies are co-responsible. They have not been merely passive enablers. | |||
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"It amazes me how quickly people and governments have become reliant on tech to fix private individuals bad behaviour. The transfer of accountability and responsibility is a huge social problem. To be fair, the tech companies are co-responsible. They have not been merely passive enablers." I don't disagree, but the responsibility of parents to set boundaries and teach their children good values as well as social moral conduct should not be removed by placing 100% of the blame on technology. I read a few weeks ago that Nottingham police were starting to hold parents accountable for their children who continually cause problems, break the law etc, to the point of asking the council to evict them. That is extreme, but becoming the norm. | |||
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" I don't disagree, but the responsibility of parents to set boundaries and teach their children good values as well as social moral conduct should not be removed by placing 100% of the blame on technology. " Agreed. It's almost impossible to make a general solution to block porn with exceptions for adults. But it's really, really easy to make locked-down phones with all necessary restrictions on taking photos and installing apps. Better to make kid-friendly phones than build an impossible global solution for everyone. Not to mention the scary implications for privacy and state (or indeed tech company) control. Just look at how the same EU who brought in GDPR has also mandated tracking in every car with metrics being sent to the EU on a regular basis. And then see how Turkey and Eastern/ex Soviet states are piggybacking off that technology to hold all details of all vehicles. And most people are totally unaware that this exists. | |||
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" I don't disagree, but the responsibility of parents to set boundaries and teach their children good values as well as social moral conduct should not be removed by placing 100% of the blame on technology. Agreed. It's almost impossible to make a general solution to block porn with exceptions for adults. But it's really, really easy to make locked-down phones with all necessary restrictions on taking photos and installing apps. Better to make kid-friendly phones than build an impossible global solution for everyone. Not to mention the scary implications for privacy and state (or indeed tech company) control. Just look at how the same EU who brought in GDPR has also mandated tracking in every car with metrics being sent to the EU on a regular basis. And then see how Turkey and Eastern/ex Soviet states are piggybacking off that technology to hold all details of all vehicles. And most people are totally unaware that this exists." Exactly. A locked down phone for under 16s or under 18s would be accepted by parents who put their children’s welfare first. Those who see no need to protect their children from online manipulation, addictions, and adult content would simply provide them unrestricted devices. Of course, some children will find workarounds, but that is not a reason to not set guardrails to protect children. With non digital interactions, the guardrails are already in place. If a parent buys alcohol for a 10 year old in a pub, there are laws to deal with it. If an adult provides explicit material to a minor, there are laws to deal with that, leading to prison. I don’t see why the digital world should be treated differently in terms of parental - adult responsibility. My opinion is, tech companies should provide the tools and safeguards, but parents - adults should hold the primary responsibility for children’s online boundaries. Extend the offline legal protections to online digital protection for minors is a good logical step and I'm not sure how anyone could argue against that, but I'm sure they will. | |||
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" I don't disagree, but the responsibility of parents to set boundaries and teach their children good values as well as social moral conduct should not be removed by placing 100% of the blame on technology. Agreed. It's almost impossible to make a general solution to block porn with exceptions for adults. But it's really, really easy to make locked-down phones with all necessary restrictions on taking photos and installing apps. Better to make kid-friendly phones than build an impossible global solution for everyone. Not to mention the scary implications for privacy and state (or indeed tech company) control. Just look at how the same EU who brought in GDPR has also mandated tracking in every car with metrics being sent to the EU on a regular basis. And then see how Turkey and Eastern/ex Soviet states are piggybacking off that technology to hold all details of all vehicles. And most people are totally unaware that this exists." Found below about apple already doing Yes, Apple includes nude photo detection features on iPhones called Communication Safety (for children under 18) and Sensitive Content Warning (for all users). I knew had seen somewhere recently about apple doing. As last post seems in one of last updates. So even say sharing normal holiday photo’s swimwear. Will be checked and asked to validate age if new tech companies fully update to ensure person is 18+. | |||
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" I don't disagree, but the responsibility of parents to set boundaries and teach their children good values as well as social moral conduct should not be removed by placing 100% of the blame on technology. Agreed. It's almost impossible to make a general solution to block porn with exceptions for adults. But it's really, really easy to make locked-down phones with all necessary restrictions on taking photos and installing apps. Better to make kid-friendly phones than build an impossible global solution for everyone. Not to mention the scary implications for privacy and state (or indeed tech company) control. Just look at how the same EU who brought in GDPR has also mandated tracking in every car with metrics being sent to the EU on a regular basis. And then see how Turkey and Eastern/ex Soviet states are piggybacking off that technology to hold all details of all vehicles. And most people are totally unaware that this exists. Found below about apple already doing Yes, Apple includes nude photo detection features on iPhones called Communication Safety (for children under 18) and Sensitive Content Warning (for all users). I knew had seen somewhere recently about apple doing. As last post seems in one of last updates. So even say sharing normal holiday photo’s swimwear. Will be checked and asked to validate age if new tech companies fully update to ensure person is 18+. " Are you viewing this as a 1 time check, such that once a phone user is verified as over 18, that no further assessment of images occurs? I'm assuming that the majority of devices are used by adults, so the screening would only be necessary on the minority of them. Is this a software and firmware fix? | |||
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" I don't disagree, but the responsibility of parents to set boundaries and teach their children good values as well as social moral conduct should not be removed by placing 100% of the blame on technology. Agreed. It's almost impossible to make a general solution to block porn with exceptions for adults. But it's really, really easy to make locked-down phones with all necessary restrictions on taking photos and installing apps. Better to make kid-friendly phones than build an impossible global solution for everyone. Not to mention the scary implications for privacy and state (or indeed tech company) control. Just look at how the same EU who brought in GDPR has also mandated tracking in every car with metrics being sent to the EU on a regular basis. And then see how Turkey and Eastern/ex Soviet states are piggybacking off that technology to hold all details of all vehicles. And most people are totally unaware that this exists. Found below about apple already doing Yes, Apple includes nude photo detection features on iPhones called Communication Safety (for children under 18) and Sensitive Content Warning (for all users). I knew had seen somewhere recently about apple doing. As last post seems in one of last updates. So even say sharing normal holiday photo’s swimwear. Will be checked and asked to validate age if new tech companies fully update to ensure person is 18+. Are you viewing this as a 1 time check, such that once a phone user is verified as over 18, that no further assessment of images occurs? I'm assuming that the majority of devices are used by adults, so the screening would only be necessary on the minority of them. Is this a software and firmware fix? " All I know is that when sent photo couple weeks ago . The warning came up. Yes was able to send. So software , firmware is part apple phone built i to updates. Apple do not stop me from accessing Fab. So Apple leave Fab to do age check. Which they do. ? I think even if Apple know owner of phone is 18+. Every photo that has been detected if law , tech companies actually have to do. Then to cover themselves . Every photo will be age checked . So they can say done their part of enforcing ? To add I think . Yes once say supply an 18+ ID. You use same one again . So details on a database. ? | |||
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