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"After the shocking behaviour over the bank holiday, with mountains of rubbish left on beaches and at beauty spots, along with inconsiderate parking blocking local residents in (and preventing emergency services and public transport access) what can be done? Why have the general public become so stupid, lazy and inconsiderate? Is there a political solution? More enforcement, or more education? Or is the UK now a lost cause?" it’s a general decline in the standards of people across the board.. Regardless if they’re from the country or not, there’s a huge loss of love and respect for it. It’s starting to feel irreversible too, once it’s gone it’s gone hence why so many people I know like me (entering their 50’s and financially secure) are considering a move overseas. Of course, the grass isn’t always greener but it can’t be worse? I’ve served my country (token gesture compared to many) and I’m embarrassed and ashamed of what we’ve become. | |||
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"It’s starting to feel irreversible too, once it’s gone it’s gone hence why so many people I know like me (entering their 50’s and financially secure) are considering a move overseas. Of course, the grass isn’t always greener but it can’t be worse? " Exactly, we are starting the process of moving to France, where the quality of life is better, there us much less litter and much more social respect. | |||
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"Hasn’t untidyness been a thing since like forever? ‘Keep Britain Tidy’ goes back until at least the ‘70s. Humans are untidy scum basically. Not all obviously, but certainly enough of them. Look at your average _estival field after it all ends for a prime example of our ‘don’t give a feck’ attitude." We remember the Keep Britain Tidy campaign but things are so much worse now. Even ignoring the bank holiday chaos our roadsides and town centres are filthy because nobody cares. Why people think it’s acceptable to throw rubbish out of their cars is something we don’t understand. As for _estivals, never understood why people leave their stuff. Regardless of the environmental impact, they have spent money to buy the stuff and even the cheapest stuff can be used more than once. | |||
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"It’s starting to feel irreversible too, once it’s gone it’s gone hence why so many people I know like me (entering their 50’s and financially secure) are considering a move overseas. Of course, the grass isn’t always greener but it can’t be worse? Exactly, we are starting the process of moving to France, where the quality of life is better, there us much less litter and much more social respect." What's your take on the behaviour of PSG fans over the weekend? | |||
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"It’s starting to feel irreversible too, once it’s gone it’s gone hence why so many people I know like me (entering their 50’s and financially secure) are considering a move overseas. Of course, the grass isn’t always greener but it can’t be worse? Exactly, we are starting the process of moving to France, where the quality of life is better, there us much less litter and much more social respect." The Parisian riots are definitely better! | |||
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"It’s starting to feel irreversible too, once it’s gone it’s gone hence why so many people I know like me (entering their 50’s and financially secure) are considering a move overseas. Of course, the grass isn’t always greener but it can’t be worse? Exactly, we are starting the process of moving to France, where the quality of life is better, there us much less litter and much more social respect. What's your take on the behaviour of PSG fans over the weekend?" Incomprehensible. Firstly, why watch football? Secondly, if you do watch it, why get so emotional about it? And thirdly, if your team win, why destroy the city? | |||
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" Incomprehensible. Firstly, why watch football? Secondly, if you do watch it, why get so emotional about it? And thirdly, if your team win, why destroy the city?" Indeed. Mind boggling. Just spent the past week in France - we love it, and actually consider relocating there. But there are definitely elements there with no respect for France (or pretty much anything or anyone). | |||
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"Third world standards for a country that is rapidly becoming third world thanks to this government." Got too agree | |||
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"Third world standards for a country that is rapidly becoming third world thanks to this government." I don't think these problems just started in the last 2 years. I don't know what the solution is but it's not going to be easy, especially as some similar standards have slipped in other countries. It's tragic | |||
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"Too many people just care about themselves. The recent warm weather has had the local park filled with scroats and their feral kids. I saw a woman dump a soiled knappy onto the grass mere yards from a bin. When an OAP asked here to remove it she flew onto a foul mouthed rage and actually threatened to knock the person out. Another charmer plonked his brood onto the bowling green even when a game was in progress oblivious to the signs to stay off it. People are just scum these days." Absolutely scum! Following a car the other day they threw a huge bag of empty McDonald's wrappers out of the window crap everywhere. Fuck them all off to Dubai or somewhere with extremely strict rules see how they fair? Bet they would rush back here as quick as possible and hopefully appreciate how good they have it,but i doubt it. I am just waiting for the next metor to hit earth and wipe the human pestilence of the face of the earth 🌎 | |||
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"Too many people just care about themselves. The recent warm weather has had the local park filled with scroats and their feral kids. I saw a woman dump a soiled knappy onto the grass mere yards from a bin. When an OAP asked here to remove it she flew onto a foul mouthed rage and actually threatened to knock the person out. Another charmer plonked his brood onto the bowling green even when a game was in progress oblivious to the signs to stay off it. People are just scum these days. Absolutely scum! Following a car the other day they threw a huge bag of empty McDonald's wrappers out of the window crap everywhere. Fuck them all off to Dubai or somewhere with extremely strict rules see how they fair? Bet they would rush back here as quick as possible and hopefully appreciate how good they have it,but i doubt it. I am just waiting for the next metor to hit earth and wipe the human pestilence of the face of the earth 🌎 " Did you report them ? | |||
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"I think there are not enough rewards or enticements for "good behaviour". . I would sooner a society and people's behaviour be rewarded and celebrated for doing the right thing, as opposed to be punished for failing to do the right thing. . What's better ? A park with signs saying "Do not litter" and having to spend money on people to clean it up, or a park with signs that say, "Keep it clean and earn some green". Approach bin. Wave hand. Lid opens. Dump rubbish. Bin uses AI to examine rubbish and then decides if you win a prize. Perhaps it prints a voucher for something. . Essentially, modifying behaviour with rewards, not punishments. Positive reinforcement is what it is known as. . A park could make bins plentiful and convenient. This would make the desired behaviour easy. We could publicly celebrate good behaviour and use small rewards where practical." Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour? | |||
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"I think there are not enough rewards or enticements for "good behaviour". . I would sooner a society and people's behaviour be rewarded and celebrated for doing the right thing, as opposed to be punished for failing to do the right thing. . What's better ? A park with signs saying "Do not litter" and having to spend money on people to clean it up, or a park with signs that say, "Keep it clean and earn some green". Approach bin. Wave hand. Lid opens. Dump rubbish. Bin uses AI to examine rubbish and then decides if you win a prize. Perhaps it prints a voucher for something. . Essentially, modifying behaviour with rewards, not punishments. Positive reinforcement is what it is known as. . A park could make bins plentiful and convenient. This would make the desired behaviour easy. We could publicly celebrate good behaviour and use small rewards where practical. Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour?" Coming soon. People will be rewarded for not committing murders. How else do you teach people not to commit murders? | |||
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" A park could make bins plentiful and convenient. This would make the desired behaviour easy. We could publicly celebrate good behaviour and use small rewards where practical. Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour? Coming soon. People will be rewarded for not committing murders. How else do you teach people not to commit murders?" ...and what happens when the rewards stop?  | |||
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" A park could make bins plentiful and convenient. This would make the desired behaviour easy. We could publicly celebrate good behaviour and use small rewards where practical. Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour? Coming soon. People will be rewarded for not committing murders. How else do you teach people not to commit murders? ...and what happens when the rewards stop? "Whatever happens in the Purge movie/series  | |||
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"There's never one simple solution as a lot of the observations made already add up to the problem with the world, not just this country. Apathy is a large factor. The "why should I" or "not my problem" attitude. Parenting/home life. Lead by example, teach consideration, responsibility and a bit of self pride. This leads nicely into the "you can't tell me what to do" which has grown from zero enforcement. Watching companies pollute the rivers with raw sewage without any punishment, simply charge the consumer more to fix rather than ask where the profits went sets the tone for the next issue. Witnessing everyone else doing it and getting away with it then grinds people into "why should I bother" We all play a part in it, it's hard to be good these days, but it has to start somewhere and try. Moving will only change things if you move to an affluent area where population is lower and less people sitting around "bored"." I think Japan managed to build their social values through social pressure. Remember how the Japanese fans were cleaning the football stadiums after the games during the football world cup last time? But pushing through such a huge cultural change isn't a mean feat. Whoever promises and has a good plan to do that will get my vote though. | |||
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"I think there are not enough rewards or enticements for "good behaviour". . I would sooner a society and people's behaviour be rewarded and celebrated for doing the right thing, as opposed to be punished for failing to do the right thing. . What's better ? A park with signs saying "Do not litter" and having to spend money on people to clean it up, or a park with signs that say, "Keep it clean and earn some green". Approach bin. Wave hand. Lid opens. Dump rubbish. Bin uses AI to examine rubbish and then decides if you win a prize. Perhaps it prints a voucher for something. . Essentially, modifying behaviour with rewards, not punishments. Positive reinforcement is what it is known as. . A park could make bins plentiful and convenient. This would make the desired behaviour easy. We could publicly celebrate good behaviour and use small rewards where practical. Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour?" Balance. If we punish for doing wrong, then we should reward for doing right. Positive reinforcement. | |||
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" Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour? Coming soon. People will be rewarded for not committing murders. How else do you teach people not to commit murders?" Rewards are for actually *doing* positive things. Not for *not* doing positive things. And not for *not* doing negative things either. | |||
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" ...and what happens when the rewards stop? "I would imagine that the behaviour that was encouraged would cease in some cases. Some might continue it through habit however. An interesting experiment I feel. Pavlovian in some respects too. | |||
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" Why should people be rewarded for what should be normal and decent behaviour? Coming soon. People will be rewarded for not committing murders. How else do you teach people not to commit murders? Rewards are for actually *doing* positive things. Not for *not* doing positive things. And not for *not* doing negative things either." You want to reward people for "not* throwing trash on street. For *not* doing negative things. | |||
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"You want to reward people for "not* throwing trash on street. For *not* doing negative things." Nope. Rewards are for actively doing positive or desirable behaviour. Like putting rubbish in a bin. It's active transactional positive reinforcement. You are seen, valued, and your positive action is rewarded. It touches on elements of Game Theory as well (Gamification). The more you make the mundane "fun", the more you engage with people. | |||
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"You want to reward people for "not* throwing trash on street. For *not* doing negative things. Nope. Rewards are for actively doing positive or desirable behaviour. Like putting rubbish in a bin. It's active transactional positive reinforcement. You are seen, valued, and your positive action is rewarded. It touches on elements of Game Theory as well (Gamification). The more you make the mundane "fun", the more you engage with people. " Same can be said about not committing murder. Person A has a dispute with person B. Instead of killing person B, person A has a conversation with person B to sort out the issue. By your theory, even that should be rewarded. These are behaviours which divide decent humans from indecent ones. It should not require "rewards" from the government to instill the behaviour. It must come from parents and one-self. If you really want to give away money for activities you would expect from any decent human, feel free to pay off your own pockets. | |||
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"You want to reward people for "not* throwing trash on street. For *not* doing negative things. Nope. Rewards are for actively doing positive or desirable behaviour. Like putting rubbish in a bin. It's active transactional positive reinforcement. You are seen, valued, and your positive action is rewarded. It touches on elements of Game Theory as well (Gamification). The more you make the mundane "fun", the more you engage with people. " So your default state is to not throw rubbish into the bin (littering). The reward state is for not littering (putting rubbish into a bin). Something is wrong there. | |||
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"I really don't understand how this can viewed in any other way other than incentivising and rewarding people for good behaviour. . Take Cohort 1. These are the folks who don't need incentivising. I fall in to this group. It doesn't matter how I ended up in this cohort, that's irrelevant. Nature / Nuture, whatever. Not important. I don't mind if others need a "nudge" and get rewarded it for, but I don't. . Cohort 2. These are the folks who do need a nudge not to throw litter out the window. We can either do that with a stick, or a carrot. I prefer the carrot approach. Positive reward and reinforcement. Instead of beating people in to compliance (which never works), lead them in to compliance of their own free will. Entice them. Engineer their compliance with incentives." Has your carrot approach succeeded in a single country? I can show numerous countries where the stick approach has succeeded. Are you happy to pay for the carrot from your own pockets or is your plan to take money from other people's pockets to pay for this? | |||
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"The people the AI bin rewards for being socially compliant are not naturally compliant, so would the same AI bin also punish them if they didn't comply, or heavens forbid, attacked the AI bin. Where does this end?" The whole idea sounds to be based on some unrealistic fictional utopia. | |||
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" What's your take on the behaviour of PSG fans over the weekend? Incomprehensible. Firstly, why watch football? Secondly, if you do watch it, why get so emotional about it? And thirdly, if your team win, why destroy the city?" Football has always been a magnet for morons. A bit of a shame for those genuine supporters who are not morons but get associated with them.. | |||
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"The people the AI bin rewards for being socially compliant are not naturally compliant, so would the same AI bin also punish them if they didn't comply, or heavens forbid, attacked the AI bin. Where does this end? The whole idea sounds to be based on some unrealistic fictional utopia."  | |||
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"Has your carrot approach succeeded in a single country? I can show numerous countries where the stick approach has succeeded. Are you happy to pay for the carrot from your own pockets or is your plan to take money from other people's pockets to pay for this?" Whilst you cite "many countries" where the stick approach has succeeded, I will cite and actually name those where the carrot approach to littering has succeeded. . 1. Germany. One of the world's most successful systems. Bottles and cans carry refundable deposits. 2. Norway. Very high return rates for plastic bottles and cans, often over 90%. 3. Sweden. Long-running deposit scheme and high partcicipaton. 4. Finland. Similar to Sweden 5. Denmark. Deposit returns widely accepted. 6. Lithuania - Scheme started in 2016 and high take up. . Granted, the above may be just for can and glass refundable deposits. But the fun doesn't stop there. . Direct Rewards For Picking Up Litter. . Japan does run local community cleanup events where rewards and vouchers are handed out. Singapore (one of the nasty ones for harsh punishments) does offer public awards. I doubt they are fiscal or meaningful however. Probably a certificate which says "Well done. You avoided a thrashing today. But there is always tomorrow." South Korea / Netherlands have used reward points for recycling and waste disposal, to turn in for local benefits. . Essentially, if the litter has "monetary value", and the reward is immediate and easy to claim, people are incentivised. . There is findable evidence which suggests that preventing litter is more economical in the long run that paying people to collect it afterwards. Reloop / ACR+ Global Analysis (2025) US Deposit vs Non-Deposit State Comparison OECD Review DEFRA / UK Parliament Evidence Government modelling Eunomia Report (UK) Academic Review (Sustainability Journal, 2025). Since the cost of existing clean up comes from you and me, the taxpayer, it's cheaper for us in the long run to see such schemes succeed. . The UK is in the process of implementing a DRS scheme in Oct 2027 for cans / plastic. . In Germany for example, 100 cans turned in could net you about €20 a month. Easy to achieve for a family of 4 with kids on soft drinks and mother and father on harder stuff, eh ? | |||
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"Has your carrot approach succeeded in a single country? I can show numerous countries where the stick approach has succeeded. Are you happy to pay for the carrot from your own pockets or is your plan to take money from other people's pockets to pay for this? Whilst you cite "many countries" where the stick approach has succeeded, I will cite and actually name those where the carrot approach to littering has succeeded. . 1. Germany. One of the world's most successful systems. Bottles and cans carry refundable deposits. 2. Norway. Very high return rates for plastic bottles and cans, often over 90%. 3. Sweden. Long-running deposit scheme and high partcicipaton. 4. Finland. Similar to Sweden 5. Denmark. Deposit returns widely accepted. 6. Lithuania - Scheme started in 2016 and high take up. . Granted, the above may be just for can and glass refundable deposits. But the fun doesn't stop there. . Direct Rewards For Picking Up Litter. . Japan does run local community cleanup events where rewards and vouchers are handed out. Singapore (one of the nasty ones for harsh punishments) does offer public awards. I doubt they are fiscal or meaningful however. Probably a certificate which says "Well done. You avoided a thrashing today. But there is always tomorrow." South Korea / Netherlands have used reward points for recycling and waste disposal, to turn in for local benefits. . Essentially, if the litter has "monetary value", and the reward is immediate and easy to claim, people are incentivised. . There is findable evidence which suggests that preventing litter is more economical in the long run that paying people to collect it afterwards. Reloop / ACR+ Global Analysis (2025) US Deposit vs Non-Deposit State Comparison OECD Review DEFRA / UK Parliament Evidence Government modelling Eunomia Report (UK) Academic Review (Sustainability Journal, 2025). Since the cost of existing clean up comes from you and me, the taxpayer, it's cheaper for us in the long run to see such schemes succeed. . The UK is in the process of implementing a DRS scheme in Oct 2027 for cans / plastic. . In Germany for example, 100 cans turned in could net you about €20 a month. Easy to achieve for a family of 4 with kids on soft drinks and mother and father on harder stuff, eh ?" Pffft, woke nonsense! Bring back the birch and national service. Never mind these woke foreign schemes that work, what we need is some gold old fashioned British pig headedness. Hanging is too good for ‘em! | |||
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" 1. Germany. One of the world's most successful systems. Bottles and cans carry refundable deposits. 2. Norway. Very high return rates for plastic bottles and cans, often over 90%. 3. Sweden. Long-running deposit scheme and high partcicipaton. 4. Finland. Similar to Sweden 5. Denmark. Deposit returns widely accepted. 6. Lithuania - Scheme started in 2016 and high take up. . Granted, the above may be just for can and glass refundable deposits. But the fun doesn't stop there. " I am not sure you understand how deposit schemes work. You pay EXTRA to buy these drinks. If you return the bottles, you get the money back. It's exactly the same as paying fines if you don't return the bottles. It's not the carrot approach, it's actually the stick approach 😂 " Direct Rewards For Picking Up Litter Japan does run local community cleanup events where rewards and vouchers are handed out. " These are rewards for picking communal litter. No one pays money for picking your own litter. No country is that stupid. " Singapore (one of the nasty ones for harsh punishments) does offer public awards. I doubt they are fiscal or meaningful however. Probably a certificate which says "Well done. You avoided a thrashing today. But there is always tomorrow. " Singapore is the best example of how sticks approach work. The award is for communal groups who work to clean up areas. Picking one's own litter isn't given awards for. Throwing trash will result in punishment. " South Korea / Netherlands have used reward points for recycling and waste disposal, to turn in for local benefits. . Essentially, if the litter has "monetary value", and the reward is immediate and easy to claim, people are incentivised. . There is findable evidence which suggests that preventing litter is more economical in the long run that paying people to collect it afterwards. Reloop / ACR+ Global Analysis (2025) US Deposit vs Non-Deposit State Comparison OECD Review DEFRA / UK Parliament Evidence Government modelling Eunomia Report (UK) Academic Review (Sustainability Journal, 2025). Since the cost of existing clean up comes from you and me, the taxpayer, it's cheaper for us in the long run to see such schemes succeed. . The UK is in the process of implementing a DRS scheme in Oct 2027 for cans / plastic. . In Germany for example, 100 cans turned in could net you about €20 a month. Easy to achieve for a family of 4 with kids on soft drinks and mother and father on harder stuff, eh ?" Phew. Again, except South Korea, every other country charges extra for these cans sold and give that money back if you recycle. If you don't recycle, you are technically stick approach. Not carrot approach. Maybe do some basic research before dumping AI slop on everyone and wasting our time? | |||
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"Has your carrot approach succeeded in a single country? I can show numerous countries where the stick approach has succeeded. Are you happy to pay for the carrot from your own pockets or is your plan to take money from other people's pockets to pay for this? Whilst you cite "many countries" where the stick approach has succeeded, I will cite and actually name those where the carrot approach to littering has succeeded. . 1. Germany. One of the world's most successful systems. Bottles and cans carry refundable deposits. 2. Norway. Very high return rates for plastic bottles and cans, often over 90%. 3. Sweden. Long-running deposit scheme and high partcicipaton. 4. Finland. Similar to Sweden 5. Denmark. Deposit returns widely accepted. 6. Lithuania - Scheme started in 2016 and high take up. . Granted, the above may be just for can and glass refundable deposits. But the fun doesn't stop there. . Direct Rewards For Picking Up Litter. . Japan does run local community cleanup events where rewards and vouchers are handed out. Singapore (one of the nasty ones for harsh punishments) does offer public awards. I doubt they are fiscal or meaningful however. Probably a certificate which says "Well done. You avoided a thrashing today. But there is always tomorrow." South Korea / Netherlands have used reward points for recycling and waste disposal, to turn in for local benefits. . Essentially, if the litter has "monetary value", and the reward is immediate and easy to claim, people are incentivised. . There is findable evidence which suggests that preventing litter is more economical in the long run that paying people to collect it afterwards. Reloop / ACR+ Global Analysis (2025) US Deposit vs Non-Deposit State Comparison OECD Review DEFRA / UK Parliament Evidence Government modelling Eunomia Report (UK) Academic Review (Sustainability Journal, 2025). Since the cost of existing clean up comes from you and me, the taxpayer, it's cheaper for us in the long run to see such schemes succeed. . The UK is in the process of implementing a DRS scheme in Oct 2027 for cans / plastic. . In Germany for example, 100 cans turned in could net you about €20 a month. Easy to achieve for a family of 4 with kids on soft drinks and mother and father on harder stuff, eh ? Pffft, woke nonsense! Bring back the birch and national service. Never mind these woke foreign schemes that work, what we need is some gold old fashioned British pig headedness. Hanging is too good for ‘em!" It must feel nice to throw these lame comments without even verifying if the content in the post is true or not. | |||
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"Phew. Again, except South Korea, every other country charges extra for these cans sold and give that money back if you recycle. If you don't recycle, you are technically stick approach. Not carrot approach. Maybe do some basic research before dumping AI slop on everyone and wasting our time?" . I don't see paying extra upfront as a "stick approach". It's a deferred incentive to be a good citizen and reclaim the extra cost back for recycling. A refundable "surcharge". . We need less sticks in this world, and more carrots. Sticks are for bullies. | |||
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"Phew. Again, except South Korea, every other country charges extra for these cans sold and give that money back if you recycle. If you don't recycle, you are technically stick approach. Not carrot approach. Maybe do some basic research before dumping AI slop on everyone and wasting our time? . I don't see paying extra upfront as a "stick approach". It's a deferred incentive to be a good citizen and reclaim the extra cost back for recycling. A refundable "surcharge". . We need less sticks in this world, and more carrots. Sticks are for bullies." In practice, the are paying fines if you don't return the cans. How is that not stick approach? If we implement it in UK today, the cost of drinks will go up a bit. And the government will say that they will give back that extra money only if you return the cans. If not, they will keep the money. So if you don't return the can, you are losing YOUR money. Considering the example countries you gave are all using the stick approach, aren't they all bullies in your opinion? What next? Countries which throw murderers in prison are bullies too? | |||
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"perhaps bank holiday tourists should consider not bringing their own stuff with them and instead support the local economy that they are visiting by making purchases in that community instead of creating chaos whilst freeloading off them. little wonder tourist taxes are being implemented to deal with the sense of self-entitlement that is on display rather than local communities picking up the tab through their council tax." perhaps the local businesses shouldn't charge rip off prices and people wouldn't bring there own stuff with them | |||
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" perhaps the local businesses shouldn't charge rip off prices and people wouldn't bring there own stuff with them " there no evidence that they do other than in your head | |||
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" perhaps the local businesses shouldn't charge rip off prices and people wouldn't bring there own stuff with them there no evidence that they do other than in your head " They do, £4.50 for a single scoop of ice cream is fairly common. Similar for a small slice of cake. People must have more money than sense to buy anything at most tourist destinations. Everything is a ridiculous price, including camp sites - there is no justification at all for charging more than £10 a night but it is really difficult to find anywhere at that price now in the UK. | |||
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"perhaps bank holiday tourists should consider not bringing their own stuff with them and instead support the local economy that they are visiting by making purchases in that community instead of creating chaos whilst freeloading off them. little wonder tourist taxes are being implemented to deal with the sense of self-entitlement that is on display rather than local communities picking up the tab through their council tax." Tax, tax, tax and more tax. It beggars belief that people actually think like this. | |||
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"Third world standards for a country that is rapidly becoming third world thanks to this government. Got too agree " How can we all be so stupid as not to see that it is all 'this' government's unique fault? Is there any correlation between blame and support for another party not currently in power? | |||
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"Deposit-return schemes cost everyone as there is an administrative burden on them. They are also a real nuisance as people have to store and return their cans and bottles to the store instead of putting them in the recycling bin at home. Other schemes such as retailers offering refunds if customers return their used _estival tents must incur a cost therefore will cost everyone. The question is why have standards dropped so much that people just don’t care at all? We would never dream of leaving our stuff when we go somewhere. We always bag it up and take it home. In fact, as most of our food is homemade we use reusable containers. We have brought our family up to do the same." Deposit return is such a sensible idea and evens helps the poor and homeless who can benefit of the back of it | |||
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"Third world standards for a country that is rapidly becoming third world thanks to this government. Got too agree How can we all be so stupid as not to see that it is all 'this' government's unique fault? Is there any correlation between blame and support for another party not currently in power?" This has been going on for decades, irrespective of the useless politicians in power. Thatcher all “me me me”. Blair let anyone in to the country and skew laws against native white people. After that they changed so quickly that I lost count and nobody had any conviction in their beliefs. Anyone who studied PPE at university then went on to be a career politician (researcher, assistant etc.) should be barred from being an MP because they have no real life experience. | |||
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"Actually, I'm starting to think it is Brexit's fault. If we had stayed in, by now there would have been pan European regulations on littering and we would all be like France, Germany and Spain which sound, from evidence on this thread, to be utopia. " In 47 years of being in the EU the UK didn't manage to adopt the public decency of many EU countries and would have continued to breed scum anyway | |||
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