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"Such a waste of money. There are a lot more rail and transport routes that could have been improved with that money. Not to mention making ordinary people's lives a little easier. " What what whaaaat?? Who cares if it's not a sensible idea to build it. The politicians and their chums wouldn't get their pockets lined with lucrative contracts from tax payers money.. regardless how big a financial disaster it is. | |||
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"HS2 Now going to cost 102 mill Could have spent that upgrading what we have all ready to upgrade it CRAZY" Billion not million. I've been going on about this debacle for ages on this forum. It's absolutely disgusting that they are willing to throw this much money into a totally unnecessary project that nationally isn't going to benefit more than a very small percentage of the population, it just smacks of jobs for the boys ensuring that the public money keeps flowing into the pockets of their pals. We have a nation of schools that are falling apart ,numerous councils on the brink of collapse, Not to mention homelessness, the NHS, roads full of potholes, grossly underfunded armed forces the list goes on..... And what for a train that's going to cut journey times from London to Manchester by 13 mins ! When this project was commissioned home working wasn't a thing now it is. It's a disgrace. | |||
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"It's assuming that it still gets finished, if course. The winners were the construction consultants and companies. Thousands of people still affected by construction every day, plus land owners who lost their livelihoods via compulsory purchases, for construction that won't have, etc. " Not to mention ex PMs father who made a very healthy profit from compulsory purchase orders of his properties that he just happened to own on the route  | |||
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"Not to mention ex PMs father who made a very healthy profit from compulsory purchase orders of his properties that he just happened to own on the route" Yes, very suspicious that he buys a house, and just 15 years later it 'happens' to be on the HS2 route. | |||
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"It's assuming that it still gets finished, if course. The winners were the construction consultants and companies. Thousands of people still affected by construction every day, plus land owners who lost their livelihoods via compulsory purchases, for construction that won't have, etc. " Do you ever finish a sentence ,? Made sense upto when it didn't ,. | |||
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"HS2 was a good idea on paper. A new main line from London to Manchester / Leeds would reduce travel times enough to mean that rail was more attractive than air travel, saving airspace capacity and making environmental gains. But the main benefit was that the all the express trains would be taken off the existing West Coast Main Line, freeing up capacity for freight movements. That would have taken thousands of lorries off the roads, and brought all sorts of benefits. But trying to build such a project in a crowded, heavily regulated, and increasingly litigious country was always a bad idea. Billions have had to be spent avoiding newts, compensating landowners, and routing through unsuitable land to avoid lawsuits. Not to mention the government over-specifying everything in an attempt to make sure that the line didn't need improving as soon as it was opened. A good idea, implemented badly." Personally I think it was a disaster and they knew it from day one. A project to extort billions from the tax payers. They won't give a monkeys if it ends up a heap of shit and terrible environmental damage as long as the main reason for it works, which is to fill their bank accounts. I also disagree with the newts claim. They have destroyed wildlife habitats for this terrible project, They sacked a guy who did a feasibility study and said it was a very bad idea, because they want to cover up the disaster | |||
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"HS2 was a good idea on paper. A new main line from London to Manchester / Leeds would reduce travel times enough to mean that rail was more attractive than air travel, saving airspace capacity and making environmental gains. But the main benefit was that the all the express trains would be taken off the existing West Coast Main Line, freeing up capacity for freight movements. That would have taken thousands of lorries off the roads, and brought all sorts of benefits. But trying to build such a project in a crowded, heavily regulated, and increasingly litigious country was always a bad idea. Billions have had to be spent avoiding newts, compensating landowners, and routing through unsuitable land to avoid lawsuits. Not to mention the government over-specifying everything in an attempt to make sure that the line didn't need improving as soon as it was opened. A good idea, implemented badly." Proof if needed that this (or any) government couldn't run a bath let alone a major project. | |||
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"In the early days of this, when it was in the planning stages, I spoke to a train driver who told me that it’s a waste of money. There is nowhere between London and the Lake District with low enough population density to allow significantly faster trans. He suggested the only way it could be beneficial was if it was built between Manchester and Scotland. He knew what he was talking about." Everybody I've spoken to in construction (professionals with decades of experience) knew it was going to go wrong from the start - too much meddling by "executives", red tape, form filling etc Not to mention that construction companies were basically given blank cheques with no budgetary responsibility. It's the NHS in a hi vis basically | |||
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