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"Because they are a racist not racist party whose vetting process is very poor?" I mean their vetting process, despite being completely professionalised according to Nige, is obviously awful. But I was thinking more about what attracts someone who is a fan of Hitler and the Nazis, or someone who thinks Nigerians should be meted down to fill potholes, to Reform in particular? | |||
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"I see in the latest polls Reform are up to 30% again. Leftists have been calling Reform and its predecessors “Nazis” and “racists” for decades and all that’s happened is they have got more popular to the point that they are now on the verge of national government. Of course anyone with a pea for a brain would look at this and think “hmm this calling everybody who disagrees with me racist thing doesn’t seem to be working”. But of course this self-analysis never happens. The proponents of the “strategy” just carry on with it despite it clearly not working. The only conclusions we can draw are either: Its proponents don’t have a pea for a brain They do have a pea for a brain and realise that they are being stupid, but can’t come up with an alternative strategy." But they are racists with fascist beliefs. You think it's normal people calling out their issues that is gaining them support. Or the mass media bias that refuses to ask them difficult questions and the money they can spend wrapping newspapers in Wales telling people about London issues that are pure lies, etc. And the BBC love for Farage dating back to about 2000 when he was an unchecked regular on the Daily politics show run by Andrew Neill. You are suggesting ignoring racism, lies and hate, never! | |||
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"I see in the latest polls Reform are up to 30% again. Leftists have been calling Reform and its predecessors “Nazis” and “racists” for decades and all that’s happened is they have got more popular to the point that they are now on the verge of national government. Of course anyone with a pea for a brain would look at this and think “hmm this calling everybody who disagrees with me racist thing doesn’t seem to be working”. But of course this self-analysis never happens. The proponents of the “strategy” just carry on with it despite it clearly not working. The only conclusions we can draw are either: Its proponents don’t have a pea for a brain They do have a pea for a brain and realise that they are being stupid, but can’t come up with an alternative strategy." Ok but I by do you think people with racist views, and those who are fans of Hitler are drawn to standing as candidates for Reform? | |||
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"Reform is populist and it will attract the type of person who demands a stop to the boats and argues it is having a negative impact on the country. Amongst that group will be people "who are racist" but I would have thought if racism was at the top of their agenda they would be looking for a more hardcore party than Reform. However going back to points above, is it racist to want a stop to the small boat crossings, and is it racist to suggest that such events are making the country poorer? The issues are real, and the failure of labour / conservatives to convince ever increasing numbers of the electorate that they had a plan to manage the boat crossings, along with equally populist and ideological opposition groups who have become louder and more aggressive themselves, it has allowed Reform to thrive. It was inevitable that a fast growing populist party like Reform, was always going to attract racist individuals looking for power, and there would and will be many skeletons in the cupboard just the same as the other parties. Make it about the supporters whilst ignoring the actual issues and you feed their success. " This is not about supporters, this is about the growing number of Reform councillors who are being sacked or suspended for being racists or Nazi supporters. No one is talking about Reform supporters. What is it about a political party that makes a man who says Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes believe that is his political home? | |||
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"Saiqa Ali and Sabine Mairey of The Greens were both arrested recently on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred. Green Party, there are many others suspended. The Greens have a real issue with racism at the moment. Joel Bodmer, Shila Bodmer, Gabriel Leroy and Carol Bonner charged last month with offences under Criminal Law Act and Computer Misuse. Labour Party, there are others. Ishfaq Hussain suspended from the Conservatives last week for antisemitic posts. There are others. Sam Ammar suspended from the Lib Dems over antisemitic posts last week. The above isn't whataboutery, it's a reflection that all political partys have wronguns in. The Greens have the same racism issue that sank Corbyn and Momentum. A truly vile level of antisemitism which they cannot recognise and insist on using the old 'anti zionism' dog whistle. Reform of course have some less than savoury characters, but that's no different to the other parties. The difference is that certain folks are determined to attack Reform on every single issue and turn a blind eye to everyone else." Ok, start a thread about them, but this one is about Reform councillors. | |||
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"Reform is populist and it will attract the type of person who demands a stop to the boats and argues it is having a negative impact on the country. Amongst that group will be people "who are racist" but I would have thought if racism was at the top of their agenda they would be looking for a more hardcore party than Reform. However going back to points above, is it racist to want a stop to the small boat crossings, and is it racist to suggest that such events are making the country poorer? The issues are real, and the failure of labour / conservatives to convince ever increasing numbers of the electorate that they had a plan to manage the boat crossings, along with equally populist and ideological opposition groups who have become louder and more aggressive themselves, it has allowed Reform to thrive. It was inevitable that a fast growing populist party like Reform, was always going to attract racist individuals looking for power, and there would and will be many skeletons in the cupboard just the same as the other parties. Make it about the supporters whilst ignoring the actual issues and you feed their success. This is not about supporters, this is about the growing number of Reform councillors who are being sacked or suspended for being racists or Nazi supporters. No one is talking about Reform supporters. What is it about a political party that makes a man who says Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes believe that is his political home?" Did you read all of my post? | |||
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"Reform is populist and it will attract the type of person who demands a stop to the boats and argues it is having a negative impact on the country. Amongst that group will be people "who are racist" but I would have thought if racism was at the top of their agenda they would be looking for a more hardcore party than Reform. However going back to points above, is it racist to want a stop to the small boat crossings, and is it racist to suggest that such events are making the country poorer? The issues are real, and the failure of labour / conservatives to convince ever increasing numbers of the electorate that they had a plan to manage the boat crossings, along with equally populist and ideological opposition groups who have become louder and more aggressive themselves, it has allowed Reform to thrive. It was inevitable that a fast growing populist party like Reform, was always going to attract racist individuals looking for power, and there would and will be many skeletons in the cupboard just the same as the other parties. Make it about the supporters whilst ignoring the actual issues and you feed their success. This is not about supporters, this is about the growing number of Reform councillors who are being sacked or suspended for being racists or Nazi supporters. No one is talking about Reform supporters. What is it about a political party that makes a man who says Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes believe that is his political home? Did you read all of my post? " Yes but it read like an attempt to protect Reform from any criticism. There’s a big difference between wanting to stop the boats and melting Nigerians to fill potholes. What makes someone with such incredibly extremist views think he’ll be welcomed by Reform? Is it all in his head, or is their perhaps something behind the respectable facade that Reform are attempting to build? | |||
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"Reform is populist and it will attract the type of person who demands a stop to the boats and argues it is having a negative impact on the country. Amongst that group will be people "who are racist" but I would have thought if racism was at the top of their agenda they would be looking for a more hardcore party than Reform. However going back to points above, is it racist to want a stop to the small boat crossings, and is it racist to suggest that such events are making the country poorer? The issues are real, and the failure of labour / conservatives to convince ever increasing numbers of the electorate that they had a plan to manage the boat crossings, along with equally populist and ideological opposition groups who have become louder and more aggressive themselves, it has allowed Reform to thrive. It was inevitable that a fast growing populist party like Reform, was always going to attract racist individuals looking for power, and there would and will be many skeletons in the cupboard just the same as the other parties. Make it about the supporters whilst ignoring the actual issues and you feed their success. This is not about supporters, this is about the growing number of Reform councillors who are being sacked or suspended for being racists or Nazi supporters. No one is talking about Reform supporters. What is it about a political party that makes a man who says Nigerians should be melted down to fill potholes believe that is his political home? Did you read all of my post? Yes but it read like an attempt to protect Reform from any criticism. There’s a big difference between wanting to stop the boats and melting Nigerians to fill potholes. What makes someone with such incredibly extremist views think he’ll be welcomed by Reform? Is it all in his head, or is their perhaps something behind the respectable facade that Reform are attempting to build?" I answered that in my reply, which I'm not sure you read without adding an intent that was not there. | |||
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"The problem with landslides is that many elected councilors and the party they represent probably never thought they would actually win. All party's field what are known as "paper candidates" in wards that they know/think are unwinnable. I did it quite a few times myself when I was active in the Conservative party. Thankfully I only stood in strong Labour wards so didn't win any. Had I won I would have had to resign almost immediately. My work commitments at the time wouldn't have allowed it. I remember one election in the late 80's or early 90's when Labour had a big win locally and two of theirs resigned within a month. Paper candidates gone wrong. After winning so many seats last week Reform will have a similar problem. Quite a few will resign early and a few bad apples will turn up It's all part of politics. I must admit to being quite amused the other day when I read about the new Green Party councilor who went out celebrating his win in his Lamborghini. "There’s a big difference between paper candidates having to resign because they never expected to win, and councillors having to resign or be suspended because of extreme racism and being a Nazi sympathiser. | |||
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"Reform is populist and it will attract the type of person who demands a stop to the boats and argues it is having a negative impact on the country. Amongst that group will be people "who are racist" but I would have thought if racism was at the top of their agenda they would be looking for a more hardcore party than Reform. However going back to points above, is it racist to want a stop to the small boat crossings, and is it racist to suggest that such events are making the country poorer? The issues are real, and the failure of labour / conservatives to convince ever increasing numbers of the electorate that they had a plan to manage the boat crossings, along with equally populist and ideological opposition groups who have become louder and more aggressive themselves, it has allowed Reform to thrive. It was inevitable that a fast growing populist party like Reform, was always going to attract racist individuals looking for power, and there would and will be many skeletons in the cupboard just the same as the other parties. Make it about the supporters whilst ignoring the actual issues and you feed their success. " Reform Ltd under their previous name was the party that caused the boats. Brexit got us no EU protection and left us under UN rules. So the French can happily let the boats go. Not that I find a few boats an issue, it's bizarre how gullible people are and are led to the alter of it's someone else stealing what you never was going to get. When Farage calls my countries language foreign and the level of hate and racism again is back to the bad days, the lack of tackling the racists will not go away. | |||
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"Reform is populist and it will attract the type of person who demands a stop to the boats and argues it is having a negative impact on the country. Amongst that group will be people "who are racist" but I would have thought if racism was at the top of their agenda they would be looking for a more hardcore party than Reform. However going back to points above, is it racist to want a stop to the small boat crossings, and is it racist to suggest that such events are making the country poorer? The issues are real, and the failure of labour / conservatives to convince ever increasing numbers of the electorate that they had a plan to manage the boat crossings, along with equally populist and ideological opposition groups who have become louder and more aggressive themselves, it has allowed Reform to thrive. It was inevitable that a fast growing populist party like Reform, was always going to attract racist individuals looking for power, and there would and will be many skeletons in the cupboard just the same as the other parties. Make it about the supporters whilst ignoring the actual issues and you feed their success. Reform Ltd under their previous name was the party that caused the boats. Brexit got us no EU protection and left us under UN rules. So the French can happily let the boats go. Not that I find a few boats an issue, it's bizarre how gullible people are and are led to the alter of it's someone else stealing what you never was going to get. When Farage calls my countries language foreign and the level of hate and racism again is back to the bad days, the lack of tackling the racists will not go away. " Im not sure if you meant to or not, but you are proving the point I'm making. You may not view the crossings as a significant issue, but it is clear an ever increasing number of voters do. Dismissing concerns as gullibility, xenophobia or racism and ignoring the concerns of so many is what has allowed Reform to grow so fast and strong politically. | |||
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"The problem with landslides is that many elected councilors and the party they represent probably never thought they would actually win. All party's field what are known as "paper candidates" in wards that they know/think are unwinnable. I did it quite a few times myself when I was active in the Conservative party. Thankfully I only stood in strong Labour wards so didn't win any. Had I won I would have had to resign almost immediately. My work commitments at the time wouldn't have allowed it. I remember one election in the late 80's or early 90's when Labour had a big win locally and two of theirs resigned within a month. Paper candidates gone wrong. After winning so many seats last week Reform will have a similar problem. Quite a few will resign early and a few bad apples will turn up It's all part of politics. I must admit to being quite amused the other day when I read about the new Green Party councilor who went out celebrating his win in his Lamborghini.
There’s a big difference between paper candidates having to resign because they never expected to win, and councillors having to resign or be suspended because of extreme racism and being a Nazi sympathiser."Like I said "and a few bad apples". The bigger the landslide the more there will be. It's politics. | |||
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"The problem with landslides is that many elected councilors and the party they represent probably never thought they would actually win. All party's field what are known as "paper candidates" in wards that they know/think are unwinnable. I did it quite a few times myself when I was active in the Conservative party. Thankfully I only stood in strong Labour wards so didn't win any. Had I won I would have had to resign almost immediately. My work commitments at the time wouldn't have allowed it. I remember one election in the late 80's or early 90's when Labour had a big win locally and two of theirs resigned within a month. Paper candidates gone wrong. After winning so many seats last week Reform will have a similar problem. Quite a few will resign early and a few bad apples will turn up It's all part of politics. I must admit to being quite amused the other day when I read about the new Green Party councilor who went out celebrating his win in his Lamborghini.
There’s a big difference between paper candidates having to resign because they never expected to win, and councillors having to resign or be suspended because of extreme racism and being a Nazi sympathiser.
Like I said "and a few bad apples".
The bigger the landslide the more there will be.
It's politics."Few bad apples, I thought Nige and his chums where here to clean up politics. Like his orange idol. We want no bad apples. Politics should be like business rules, HR system that works. But Nige thinks that's PC gone mad. That's Nige the anti semite who attacks Jews with old nasty stereotypes. The rot starts at the top with reform. | |||
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"Why are so many racists and Nazis attracted to becoming candidates for Reform UK (Ltd.)?" When it comes to extremes, it always boils down to blaming Jews, and the left are as guilty as the right. The Green Party Equivalent: Sabine Mairey— suspended and arrested over antisemitic social media posts Saiqa Ali — suspended and arrested over antisemitic social media posts Brian Capaloff — reported under investigation for antisemitic comments Joe Belcher — reported under investigation for antisemitic comments Aziz Rahman Hakimi — suspended by local party over antisemitic statements Tony Greenstein — suspended after complaints relating to antisemitic views and conduct | |||
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"Why are so many racists and Nazis attracted to becoming candidates for Reform UK (Ltd.)? When it comes to extremes, it always boils down to blaming Jews, and the left are as guilty as the right. The Green Party Equivalent: Sabine Mairey— suspended and arrested over antisemitic social media posts Saiqa Ali — suspended and arrested over antisemitic social media posts Brian Capaloff — reported under investigation for antisemitic comments Joe Belcher — reported under investigation for antisemitic comments Aziz Rahman Hakimi — suspended by local party over antisemitic statements Tony Greenstein — suspended after complaints relating to antisemitic views and conduct" That’s great, do a thread about it, because we’re not doing whataboutery on this one. | |||
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"I see in the latest polls Reform are up to 30% again. Leftists have been calling Reform and its predecessors “Nazis” and “racists” for decades and all that’s happened is they have got more popular to the point that they are now on the verge of national government. Of course anyone with a pea for a brain would look at this and think “hmm this calling everybody who disagrees with me racist thing doesn’t seem to be working”. But of course this self-analysis never happens. The proponents of the “strategy” just carry on with it despite it clearly not working. The only conclusions we can draw are either: Its proponents don’t have a pea for a brain They do have a pea for a brain and realise that they are being stupid, but can’t come up with an alternative strategy." The insults are Reforms greatest asset. Without them I don't think they would be anywhere near as big as they presently are | |||
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" That’s great, do a thread about it, because we’re not doing whataboutery on this one. " This, coming from someone who doggedly tried (exceedingly hard) to turn a Zack Polanski thread into one about Nigel Farage? | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? 🤔" The paradox of democracy. If the majority voted against democracy, should we still have democracy? | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism?" I'm not sure that there's much of a dilemma there. Yes, if a clear majority vote for racism, that's what they should get. If we believe that democracy is worth anything, we must follow it where it takes us. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? I'm not sure that there's much of a dilemma there. Yes, if a clear majority vote for racism, that's what they should get. If we believe that democracy is worth anything, we must follow it where it takes us." The problems may arise in the version of democracy & the electoral system. In the UK for instance, if a party wins a HoC majority, but on a minority percentage of the vote as is almost always the case here, any blatantly racist policies implemented by the racist party in government may lead to considerable blowback & big problems… | |||
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"The problem with landslides is that many elected councilors and the party they represent probably never thought they would actually win. All party's field what are known as "paper candidates" in wards that they know/think are unwinnable. I did it quite a few times myself when I was active in the Conservative party. Thankfully I only stood in strong Labour wards so didn't win any. Had I won I would have had to resign almost immediately. My work commitments at the time wouldn't have allowed it. I remember one election in the late 80's or early 90's when Labour had a big win locally and two of theirs resigned within a month. Paper candidates gone wrong. After winning so many seats last week Reform will have a similar problem. Quite a few will resign early and a few bad apples will turn up It's all part of politics. I must admit to being quite amused the other day when I read about the new Green Party councilor who went out celebrating his win in his Lamborghini.
There’s a big difference between paper candidates having to resign because they never expected to win, and councillors having to resign or be suspended because of extreme racism and being a Nazi sympathiser.
Like I said "and a few bad apples".
The bigger the landslide the more there will be.
It's politics.
Few bad apples, I thought Nige and his chums where here to clean up politics. Like his orange idol. We want no bad apples. Politics should be like business rules, HR system that works. But Nige thinks that's PC gone mad. That's Nige the anti semite who attacks Jews with old nasty stereotypes. The rot starts at the top with reform. "The only people I see attacking Jews are the Green party and a certain section of Labour. There are bad apples in every party. To be honest after gaining over 1,400 seats I think Reform are doing quite well. Certainly when compared to the Greens. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? 🤔" Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. Democracy prevents the delivery of racism, but it doesn't stop people voting for it. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? 🤔 Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. Democracy prevents the delivery of racism, but it doesn't stop people voting for it. " I don't think it's democracy itself that prevents delivery of racism. Most democratic countries have some entities/rules which are beyond the reach of democracy itself. They are considered non-negotiable or very difficult to change legally even if the majority wants to. The US has its constitution. The ECHR is supposed to play a similar role in Europe. Then there is the monarchy as another level of guardrail. But if the majority develops feelings against these guardrails and are angered by the fact that they can't even change it through democracy, then the results aren't usually good. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism?" "Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights." It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards." I think we’ve seen in the US, even with it’s constitution, that once a party has a majority it can enact racist policies. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards. I think we’ve seen in the US, even with it’s constitution, that once a party has a majority it can enact racist policies." What racist policy have they enacted? | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards. I think we’ve seen in the US, even with it’s constitution, that once a party has a majority it can enact racist policies. What racist policy have they enacted?" The gerrymandering in Tennessee which essentially disenfranchises African Americans who live there. Forced closure of DEI programmes, and the threat to defund Universities that embrace them. The restriction of asylum and mass deportations that break international law. | |||
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" The gerrymandering in Tennessee which essentially disenfranchises African Americans who live there. " Surely people from Tennessee still have the right to vote? " Forced closure of DEI programmes, and the threat to defund Universities that embrace them. " DEI programmes were racist. They unfairly discriminated against Asian students. Hence the court passed a judgement to take them down. The rest followed. " The restriction of asylum and mass deportations that break international law." How is restriction of asylum racist? And what "international law" are you talking about? There is no such thing as "international law". There are agreements that sovereign countries can sign up to if they want and break away if they don't want, as long as they are fine with its consequences. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards. I think we’ve seen in the US, even with it’s constitution, that once a party has a majority it can enact racist policies. What racist policy have they enacted? The gerrymandering in Tennessee which essentially disenfranchises African Americans who live there. Forced closure of DEI programmes, and the threat to defund Universities that embrace them. The restriction of asylum and mass deportations that break international law." so they are going back to the best person for the job whats wrong with that, and mass deportations of people who aint supposed to be in the country sounds like what mist goverments should be doing | |||
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"This time for posting a picture of himself with a swastika flag and a copy of Mein Kampf (among other social media posts celebrating Hitler) is it time to ask… Why are so many racists and Nazis attracted to becoming candidates for Reform UK (Ltd.)?" Similar reasons as to why so many far left Jew hating Islamists are attracted to becoming Green candidates? | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards." Then we would no longer be in a democracy, which itself would bring further friction | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism?" "Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights." "It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards." "Then we would no longer be in a democracy, which itself would bring further friction" In what way would removing legal guards mean that we'd no longer be in a democracy? If that's what the majority of the people want (let's say there's a 75% vote for it), then removing those legal guards is democracy in action. | |||
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"If racism is a majority view in a democracy and a government is voted in on that platform, should that government deliver racism? Democracy has legal guard rails to prevent reactive influences from any majorities that want to impact negatively on human rights. It has legal guards today, but if a government were to be elected on a racist mandate, they'd just remove those legal guards. Then we would no longer be in a democracy, which itself would bring further friction In what way would removing legal guards mean that we'd no longer be in a democracy? If that's what the majority of the people want (let's say there's a 75% vote for it), then removing those legal guards is democracy in action." Because the 75% would have allowed the guard rails protecting human and civil rights to be removed. The government would no longer have the checks and balances that protect democracy | |||
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" Because the 75% would have allowed the guard rails protecting human and civil rights to be removed. The government would no longer have the checks and balances that protect democracy" So democracy needs to be protected from too much democracy | |||
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" Because the 75% would have allowed the guard rails protecting human and civil rights to be removed. The government would no longer have the checks and balances that protect democracy So democracy needs to be protected from too much democracy "majorities are very capable of voting away the rights of minorities, thin line  | |||
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" Because the 75% would have allowed the guard rails protecting human and civil rights to be removed. The government would no longer have the checks and balances that protect democracy So democracy needs to be protected from too much democracy
majorities are very capable of voting away the rights of minorities, thin line "Actually, the US system is inherently better at these protections. In the UK, parliamentary sovereignty and supremacy means that a majority can legislate literally anything, if they are determined enough, pushing through Lords and only the monarch could (in theory) prevent it. Not so in the US, without constitutional change, which needs a supermajority at every level. Or by force, but against an armed populace (the original intention behind the second amendment). | |||
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" Or by force, but against an armed populace (the original intention behind the second amendment)." Yeah the second amendment has its problems. But lots of people tend to forget the reason why it's there in the first place. Modern generations are so spoilt that they just couldn't fathom a western government becoming tyrannical. So they see only the negative side of it. Same with the first amendment to an extent. | |||
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" Or by force, but against an armed populace (the original intention behind the second amendment). Yeah the second amendment has its problems. But lots of people tend to forget the reason why it's there in the first place. Modern generations are so spoilt that they just couldn't fathom a western government becoming tyrannical. So they see only the negative side of it. Same with the first amendment to an extent." Exactly, a democracy must have the tools to defend its own existence. | |||
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"This time for posting a picture of himself with a swastika flag and a copy of Mein Kampf (among other social media posts celebrating Hitler) is it time to ask… Why are so many racists and Nazis attracted to becoming candidates for Reform UK (Ltd.)? Similar reasons as to why so many far left Jew hating Islamists are attracted to becoming Green candidates?" While driving Lamborghinis.  | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l." There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently? | |||
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"This time for posting a picture of himself with a swastika flag and a copy of Mein Kampf (among other social media posts celebrating Hitler) is it time to ask… Why are so many racists and Nazis attracted to becoming candidates for Reform UK (Ltd.)? Similar reasons as to why so many far left Jew hating Islamists are attracted to becoming Green candidates? While driving Lamborghinis. "I think you could be on to something there.. ..I wouldn't be able to recognise a Lamborghini and have no desire to even sit in one, so I get the feeling that fits in with me neither being far left nor a reform supporter! | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?" . Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣" The people who were arrested weren't criticising Israel. They were making posts about Jews. As things stand, I would say that the Green party has the same proportion of racists as Reform. | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣" Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! " Did the Pro-palestine convoy of cars which went around London shouting "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" on loud speakers just criticising "Zionism" or are they just racist scumbags? Even today, a guy in the Pro-palestine rally said all the jews will be beheaded. Maybe they are just against "Zionism". Or maybe, they are Reform voters too. As I said above, the Greens have a big proportion of racists. Lets not pretend like that's not the case. I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party. | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! Did the Pro-palestine convoy of cars which went around London shouting "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" on loud speakers just criticising "Zionism" or are they just racist scumbags? Even today, a guy in the Pro-palestine rally said all the jews will be beheaded. Maybe they are just against "Zionism". Or maybe, they are Reform voters too. As I said above, the Greens have a big proportion of racists. Lets not pretend like that's not the case. I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party." . Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! Did the Pro-palestine convoy of cars which went around London shouting "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" on loud speakers just criticising "Zionism" or are they just racist scumbags? Even today, a guy in the Pro-palestine rally said all the jews will be beheaded. Maybe they are just against "Zionism". Or maybe, they are Reform voters too. As I said above, the Greens have a big proportion of racists. Lets not pretend like that's not the case. I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party.. Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument " Your argument was "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! Did the Pro-palestine convoy of cars which went around London shouting "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" on loud speakers just criticising "Zionism" or are they just racist scumbags? Even today, a guy in the Pro-palestine rally said all the jews will be beheaded. Maybe they are just against "Zionism". Or maybe, they are Reform voters too. As I said above, the Greens have a big proportion of racists. Lets not pretend like that's not the case. I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party.. Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument Your argument was "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too." Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance | |||
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! Did the Pro-palestine convoy of cars which went around London shouting "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" on loud speakers just criticising "Zionism" or are they just racist scumbags? Even today, a guy in the Pro-palestine rally said all the jews will be beheaded. Maybe they are just against "Zionism". Or maybe, they are Reform voters too. As I said above, the Greens have a big proportion of racists. Lets not pretend like that's not the case. I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party.. Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument Your argument was "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance " You don't have to take my word. There are Green candidates who actually got arrested for anti semitism
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"Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter. Look at the flag shag rally in London today. It's hard to claim that it isn't a Nationalist hate-rally whent literally every Nationalist hate-party from the BNP to the National Front to Combat 18 are all attending l. There are racist Green voters and even candidates too. Didn't you follow the anti semitic cases recently?. Hatred of Israel's warmonger foreign policy does not equate to antisemitism. That canard has been thoroughly debunked 🤣 Some people like to conflate Zionism with Judaism… and then conflate anti Zionism with antisemitism… it’s an easy way to stifle speech and criticism! Did the Pro-palestine convoy of cars which went around London shouting "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" on loud speakers just criticising "Zionism" or are they just racist scumbags? Even today, a guy in the Pro-palestine rally said all the jews will be beheaded. Maybe they are just against "Zionism". Or maybe, they are Reform voters too. As I said above, the Greens have a big proportion of racists. Lets not pretend like that's not the case. I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party.. Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument Your argument was "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance You don't have to take my word. There are Green candidates who actually got arrested for anti semitism
Even after explaining this so many times, if you can't see it, I am not the one who is ignorant."Do you understand what "released without charge" means? It's called a Nothingburger. Looks like you messed the bed again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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" I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party.. Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument Your argument was "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance You don't have to take my word. There are Green candidates who actually got arrested for anti semitism
Even after explaining this so many times, if you can't see it, I am not the one who is ignorant. Do you understand what "released without charge" means? It's called a Nothingburger. Looks like you messed the bed again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣"Because being racist alone isn't enough to be charged. Greens have suspended some of their candidates because of anti semitism. Did they suspend them even though they were racist? Your statement was that all racists vote for Reform. Do you still stand by it? Are you saying that the scumbags in Pro-palestine protests who said he wanted to behead the Jews a Reform voter? Are the ones who shouted "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" Reform voters too? Maybe you will tell us why they are actually just anti-zionists not really racists. I can't wait to hear ☺️ | |||
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" I wouldn't be surprised it's the case with views on gays too, considering the fact that Mothin Ali is an important leader of the party.. Did the flag shaggers that shouted "Sieg Heil" at today's flagger shaggathon represent all of the people there? No? 🤣🤣🤣. Looks like you just sank your own argument Your argument was "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance You don't have to take my word. There are Green candidates who actually got arrested for anti semitism
Even after explaining this so many times, if you can't see it, I am not the one who is ignorant. Do you understand what "released without charge" means? It's called a Nothingburger. Looks like you messed the bed again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because being racist alone isn't enough to be charged. Greens have suspended some of their candidates because of anti semitism. Did they suspend them even though they were racist?
Your statement was that all racists vote for Reform. Do you still stand by it?
Are you saying that the scumbags in Pro-palestine protests who said he wanted to behead the Jews a Reform voter? Are the ones who shouted "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" Reform voters too?
Maybe you will tell us why they are actually just anti-zionists not really racists. I can't wait to hear ☺️". Dude, you have spent SO long ranting about FREE SPEECH and the WOKE POLICE. It's hilarious how quickly you changed your tune. The Greens chose to kick them out regardless. Good for them... which also cuts the the legs off your argument. Where did you think your argument would go with all of that stacked againsy you? | |||
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" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance You don't have to take my word. There are Green candidates who actually got arrested for anti semitism
Even after explaining this so many times, if you can't see it, I am not the one who is ignorant. Do you understand what "released without charge" means? It's called a Nothingburger. Looks like you messed the bed again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because being racist alone isn't enough to be charged. Greens have suspended some of their candidates because of anti semitism. Did they suspend them even though they were racist?
Your statement was that all racists vote for Reform. Do you still stand by it?
Are you saying that the scumbags in Pro-palestine protests who said he wanted to behead the Jews a Reform voter? Are the ones who shouted "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" Reform voters too?
Maybe you will tell us why they are actually just anti-zionists not really racists. I can't wait to hear ☺️. Dude, you have spent SO long ranting about FREE SPEECH and the WOKE POLICE. It's hilarious how quickly you changed your tune. The Greens chose to kick them out regardless. Good for them... which also cuts the the legs off your argument. Where did you think your argument would go with all of that stacked againsy you?"Not sure why you keep moving the goal posts. You made this nonsensical statement - "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" I have given you enough examples of people who are clearly not Reform voters, primarily the people of the Pro-palestine mob who have made racist comments. Do you still believe that these racists are also Reform voters? Do you think that the ones who set fire on Jewish Ambulances reform voters too? | |||
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" Considering the number of Green voting racists I have shown, your argument is the one that's sunk. Just adding the "🤣" emoji doesn't change the fact that Greens have a lot of racists too. Are we supposed to take your word for that? Please don't make this another thread where you embarrass yourself with your own ignorance You don't have to take my word. There are Green candidates who actually got arrested for anti semitism
Even after explaining this so many times, if you can't see it, I am not the one who is ignorant. Do you understand what "released without charge" means? It's called a Nothingburger. Looks like you messed the bed again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Because being racist alone isn't enough to be charged. Greens have suspended some of their candidates because of anti semitism. Did they suspend them even though they were racist?
Your statement was that all racists vote for Reform. Do you still stand by it?
Are you saying that the scumbags in Pro-palestine protests who said he wanted to behead the Jews a Reform voter? Are the ones who shouted "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" Reform voters too?
Maybe you will tell us why they are actually just anti-zionists not really racists. I can't wait to hear ☺️. Dude, you have spent SO long ranting about FREE SPEECH and the WOKE POLICE. It's hilarious how quickly you changed your tune. The Greens chose to kick them out regardless. Good for them... which also cuts the the legs off your argument. Where did you think your argument would go with all of that stacked againsy you?
Not sure why you keep moving the goal posts.
You made this nonsensical statement - "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter"
I have given you enough examples of people who are clearly not Reform voters, primarily the people of the Pro-palestine mob who have made racist comments. Do you still believe that these racists are also Reform voters? Do you think that the ones who set fire on Jewish Ambulances reform voters too? "if you still can't answer the question then I'm afraid you just conceded the contest | |||
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" Are you saying that the scumbags in Pro-palestine protests who said he wanted to behead the Jews a Reform voter? Are the ones who shouted "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" Reform voters too? Maybe you will tell us why they are actually just anti-zionists not really racists. I can't wait to hear ☺️. Dude, you have spent SO long ranting about FREE SPEECH and the WOKE POLICE. It's hilarious how quickly you changed your tune. The Greens chose to kick them out regardless. Good for them... which also cuts the the legs off your argument. Where did you think your argument would go with all of that stacked againsy you? Not sure why you keep moving the goal posts. You made this nonsensical statement - "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" I have given you enough examples of people who are clearly not Reform voters, primarily the people of the Pro-palestine mob who have made racist comments. Do you still believe that these racists are also Reform voters? Do you think that the ones who set fire on Jewish Ambulances reform voters too? if you still can't answer the question then I'm afraid you just conceded the contest " Contest? Must be fun winning imaginary contests in your mind
You are the one who hasn't answered the question. Do you still believe in your statement that "every racist is a Reform voter"
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" Are you saying that the scumbags in Pro-palestine protests who said he wanted to behead the Jews a Reform voter? Are the ones who shouted "Fuck the Jews! R@pe their daughters" Reform voters too? Maybe you will tell us why they are actually just anti-zionists not really racists. I can't wait to hear ☺️. Dude, you have spent SO long ranting about FREE SPEECH and the WOKE POLICE. It's hilarious how quickly you changed your tune. The Greens chose to kick them out regardless. Good for them... which also cuts the the legs off your argument. Where did you think your argument would go with all of that stacked againsy you? Not sure why you keep moving the goal posts. You made this nonsensical statement - "Not every Reform voter is a racist but every racist is a Reform voter" I have given you enough examples of people who are clearly not Reform voters, primarily the people of the Pro-palestine mob who have made racist comments. Do you still believe that these racists are also Reform voters? Do you think that the ones who set fire on Jewish Ambulances reform voters too? if you still can't answer the question then I'm afraid you just conceded the contest Contest? Must be fun winning imaginary contests in your mind
You are the one who hasn't answered the question. Do you still believe in your statement that "every racist is a Reform voter"
Pretty much everyone in the world can see that it's outright wrong. Instead of just admitting that, you are resorting to all these mental gymnastics which only makes your case worse."If Donald Trump can't convince people with the "everyone in the world" fallacy, then you're unlikely to fare any better. It's been fun beating you again | |||
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" If Donald Trump can't convince people with the "everyone in the world" fallacy, then you're unlikely to fare any better. It's been fun beating you again " Oh you think you were beating me? That's soooo sweeet ☺️☺️☺️ And cute... You know you don't have to do these mental gymnastics to defend that ridiculous statement you made. Would have made your life much easier. | |||
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" If Donald Trump can't convince people with the "everyone in the world" fallacy, then you're unlikely to fare any better. It's been fun beating you again Oh you think you were beating me? That's soooo sweeet ☺️☺️☺️ And cute... You know you don't have to do these mental gymnastics to defend that ridiculous statement you made. Would have made your life much easier. " Yet you are still unable to answer the question.... | |||
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" If Donald Trump can't convince people with the "everyone in the world" fallacy, then you're unlikely to fare any better. It's been fun beating you again Oh you think you were beating me? That's soooo sweeet ☺️☺️☺️ And cute... You know you don't have to do these mental gymnastics to defend that ridiculous statement you made. Would have made your life much easier. Yet you are still unable to answer the question...." The question of whether "Every racist votes for reform" is true or not? I am pretty sure that question has been already answered. You just have to look at your own replies. | |||
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"Every racist votes for reform. Fact. Even your attempted smears failed the most cursory of tests. " And some very unpleasant people vote green. | |||
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"Every racist votes for reform. Fact. Even your attempted smears failed the most cursory of tests. " That's good news for Advance UK, Homeland Party, Britain First and Restore Britain amongst others as now there voters can't be accused of being racists | |||
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"Every racist votes for reform. Fact. Even your attempted smears failed the most cursory of tests. That's good news for Advance UK, Homeland Party, Britain First and Restore Britain amongst others as now there voters can't be accused of being racists " Even Rupert Lowe would not have expected his party voters being absolved of racism this way. | |||
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"Every racist votes for reform. Fact. Even your attempted smears failed the most cursory of tests. " Not a fact and I'm surprised you would say this. | |||
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"Every racist votes for reform. Fact. Even your attempted smears failed the most cursory of tests. " Why do you not consider antisemitism to be racism? | |||
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"Every racist votes for reform. Fact. Even your attempted smears failed the most cursory of tests. " Thank goodness that it now factually impossible for the Labour or Conservative party to harbour any racists.  | |||
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