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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london

Just see the rats leaving a sinking ship -

Roll up Roll up ...

Bodybag Burnham -

Mandelsons puppet -

Manc matress -

NONE OF THE ABOVE - tick

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 weeks ago

Border of London

Will we find the face of Jesus burnt into his stomach, perhaps?

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

Looking like he’s survived

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By *amantMan
3 weeks ago

Alnmouth

Starmer, quite rightly, isn't standing aside for a damaging quick contest. Unless someone like a Rebecca Long-Bailey resigns, Burnham being in the race is based solely on vibes. Talk of him definitely having one is just talk and should be ignored until we get concrete evidence of someone in either Manchester or Merseyside preparing to make way. As he isn't in the picture, the last thing the country needs is a contest between Ed Miliband and Wes Streeting. Starmer is goosed, make no mistake about it. But if he sets out a short timetable, an outrider more akin to him won't be able to seize the chance. Al Carns would be my choice, or Mahmood. I suspect the latter may make a run for leader and I think if Starmer had to choose I think he'd prefer to hand it over to her than to some of his other colleagues. But we're not at that stage quite yet - though it wouldn't take much. Starmer aides saying he'll fight it will only last until there are senior figures who publicly want him gone. Could've happened this morning, may happen this week, or could be in a few months. He will not turn it around though. He can kid himself into heeding off a Streeting coronation makes him safe. It doesn't. It just delays the inevitable. Possibly not by very long.

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Just see the rats leaving a sinking ship -

Roll up Roll up ...

Bodybag Burnham -

Mandelsons puppet -

Manc matress -

NONE OF THE ABOVE - tick "

Manc mattress?

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london

Rayner -

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london

Jess Phillips resigns -

Any wheels left 2TK ?

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

No confidence vote needed and a general election asap

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 weeks ago

Border of London


"No confidence vote needed and a general election asap"

Honestly, how would that help the UK? What do you think the outcome would be?

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

Dr Miatta Fahnbulleh resigned (PhD economic development).

Far more qualified than fake CV Reeves.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"No confidence vote needed and a general election asap

Honestly, how would that help the UK? What do you think the outcome would be?"

Bonds yields are rising. On top of everything else, market forces may get Starmer and Reeves out.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
3 weeks ago

Leigh


"No confidence vote needed and a general election asap

Honestly, how would that help the UK? What do you think the outcome would be?"

There would be a high chance of no party getting an overall majority, then all the left wing parties refusing to work with Reform, so we end up with a Labour / Lib Dem / Green coalition with the Greens as king makers.

Then we are totally f*cked.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 weeks ago

Border of London


"No confidence vote needed and a general election asap

Honestly, how would that help the UK? What do you think the outcome would be?

There would be a high chance of no party getting an overall majority, then all the left wing parties refusing to work with Reform, so we end up with a Labour / Lib Dem / Green coalition with the Greens as king makers.

Then we are totally f*cked."

Definitely one possibility.

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Rayner - "

Misogynistic much?

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By *e-OptimistMan
3 weeks ago

Stalybridge

Mmmmmm toast!

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london

The Tories and Reform will have to somehow form a pact -

The will just about get a majority by focusing on enough winable seats .

The seats the charlatan ( johnson ) won .

Labour and the muslim party - ooopps green party will fight amongst themselves in areas that deserve what they get .

Saturday will be interesting -

I am amazed they have allowed 2 marches on the day of the Cup final .

2TK called for a GE every time the Tories changed their pants ( leaders)

Do the honourable thing - go in the name of G-d

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london

Why ? Look up her purchase of a matress for her pad

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 weeks ago

Border of London


"The Tories and Reform will have to somehow form a pact -

The will just about get a majority by focusing on enough winable seats .

The seats the charlatan ( johnson ) won .

Labour and the muslim party - ooopps green party will fight amongst themselves in areas that deserve what they get .

Saturday will be interesting -

I am amazed they have allowed 2 marches on the day of the Cup final .

2TK called for a GE every time the Tories changed their pants ( leaders)

Do the honourable thing - go in the name of G-d

"

It sounds like you want a Reform government, propped up by de-fanged Tories, and are willing to optimistically risk a chaotic alternative to get it.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Bonds yields are rising. On top of everything else, market forces may get Starmer and Reeves out. "

Serious question: how do you feel the markets would respond to a Reform government at this point, being that they are untested and have nebulous policies? Or a weakened Left alliance with Greens holding the balance of power?

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Why ? Look up her purchase of a matress for her pad "

Nah, after the Greens being the Muslim party remark, I’ll stick to my opinion.

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By *ermbiMan
3 weeks ago

Ballyshannon

No way. No instability needed. Had too much of that under the Tories

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"The Tories and Reform will have to somehow form a pact -

The will just about get a majority by focusing on enough winable seats .

The seats the charlatan ( johnson ) won .

Labour and the muslim party - ooopps green party will fight amongst themselves in areas that deserve what they get .

Saturday will be interesting -

I am amazed they have allowed 2 marches on the day of the Cup final .

2TK called for a GE every time the Tories changed their pants ( leaders)

Do the honourable thing - go in the name of G-d

It sounds like you want a Reform government, propped up by de-fanged Tories, and are willing to optimistically risk a chaotic alternative to get it."

Not really -unfortunately the lesser of all evils

Shocking state of politics both here and across the pond .

Mainly due to career politicians.

At least in the past you had respect for politicians whatever their party - whether you liked her or not you had to respect Thatcher ( til she lost her marbles ) similarly tony benn - michael foot - even kinnock -I did not agree with them but respected them . They stuck to their principles . Look at how kinnock stood up to millitant - hatton .

Now there is not one I respect .

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"

Bonds yields are rising. On top of everything else, market forces may get Starmer and Reeves out.

Serious question: how do you feel the markets would respond to a Reform government at this point, being that they are untested and have nebulous policies? Or a weakened Left alliance with Greens holding the balance of power?"

Follow the money ...

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
3 weeks ago

Border of London


"

Serious question: how do you feel the markets would respond to a Reform government at this point, being that they are untested and have nebulous policies? Or a weakened Left alliance with Greens holding the balance of power?

Follow the money ... "

You mean... Who is buying off which politicians?

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"

Serious question: how do you feel the markets would respond to a Reform government at this point, being that they are untested and have nebulous policies? Or a weakened Left alliance with Greens holding the balance of power?

Follow the money ...

You mean... Who is buying off which politicians?"

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"

Serious question: how do you feel the markets would respond to a Reform government at this point, being that they are untested and have nebulous policies? Or a weakened Left alliance with Greens holding the balance of power?

Follow the money ...

You mean... Who is buying off which politicians?"

No money follows money - were rayner / burnham / milliband to get a sniff -if you think our economy is f-cked now you aint seen nothing .

Tories trashed the economy while feathering their own nests .

As I said politicians today are only in it for themselves not country .

Take care of number one - as no one else will .

Lesser of all evils .

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

Alex Davy Jones just resigned, that’s three ( of 22) so far.

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"Alex Davy Jones just resigned, that’s three ( of 22) so far. "

Look at who have stood up ?

Those who know under 2TK they will lose their seat -

As I said all about the money -£100k plus a year plus perks and some . Serve two terms - pension for life .

You and I pay for the gravy train .

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London

Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

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By *erlins5Man
3 weeks ago

South Fife


"No confidence vote needed and a general election asap"

Why a general election? The last government changed leader umpteen times with no general election. Labour have 2 more years to do the job they were elected for.

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By *mberValleyManMan
3 weeks ago

Derby/Notts


"The Tories and Reform will have to somehow form a pact -

The will just about get a majority by focusing on enough winable seats .

The seats the charlatan ( johnson ) won .

Labour and the muslim party - ooopps green party will fight amongst themselves in areas that deserve what they get .

Saturday will be interesting -

I am amazed they have allowed 2 marches on the day of the Cup final .

2TK called for a GE every time the Tories changed their pants ( leaders)

Do the honourable thing - go in the name of G-d

It sounds like you want a Reform government, propped up by de-fanged Tories, and are willing to optimistically risk a chaotic alternative to get it.

Not really -unfortunately the lesser of all evils

Shocking state of politics both here and across the pond .

Mainly due to career politicians.

At least in the past you had respect for politicians whatever their party - whether you liked her or not you had to respect Thatcher ( til she lost her marbles ) similarly tony benn - michael foot - even kinnock -I did not agree with them but respected them . They stuck to their principles . Look at how kinnock stood up to millitant - hatton .

Now there is not one I respect .

"

I still go back to the fact that the expenses scandal is when the respect for politicians started to disappear.

That, and the Financial Crash of 2008 are the biggest 2 reasons are why our politics is in such a divided state.

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By *inky PerkyCouple
3 weeks ago

Narnia


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?"

I'd go for Andy Burnham.

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By *winga2Man
3 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I'd go for Andy Burnham."

Why ? He's not even elected as an MP 😂

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I'd go for Andy Burnham.

Why ? He's not even elected as an MP 😂"

That’s definitely going to be an impediment for him.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

Here and there


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?"

I hope you like a long wait

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I hope you like a long wait "

The whole thing looks like a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario to me. All the other options in Labour are even worse IMO.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

Here and there


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I hope you like a long wait

The whole thing looks like a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario to me. All the other options in Labour are even worse IMO."

Exactly, more of the same but maybe with more of a snarl towards the millions of billionaires we have.

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By *007ManMan
3 weeks ago

Worthing

Rayner for the big bum and boobs.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I hope you like a long wait

The whole thing looks like a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario to me. All the other options in Labour are even worse IMO."

Yvette Cooper possibly

Miatta Fahnbulleh for chancellor

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By *ellhungvweMan
3 weeks ago

Cheltenham

I think whoever takes over is going to face a tidal wave of factionalism. Labour is going to rip itself to pieces. The one thing the left do _really_ well is internecine warfare.

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By *ostindreamsMan
3 weeks ago

London


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I hope you like a long wait

The whole thing looks like a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario to me. All the other options in Labour are even worse IMO.

Exactly, more of the same but maybe with more of a snarl towards the millions of billionaires we have. "

I guess they will choose someone more to the left, to win the Green votes, only to lose the moderates' votes.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

Here and there


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I hope you like a long wait

The whole thing looks like a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario to me. All the other options in Labour are even worse IMO.

Exactly, more of the same but maybe with more of a snarl towards the millions of billionaires we have.

I guess they will choose someone more to the left, to win the Green votes, only to lose the moderates' votes."

The Greens are imploding but are relevant, Reform are running the trump campaign mk3, and the more they are bashed the more their supporters will dig in.

Both are populist, I expect Starmer to become more direct on populist issues. This would play into the conservatives who need to hold the centre line, and not rush, let it play out and burn out.

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By *asepaul71Man
3 weeks ago

Buxton

I'm reading posts about Starmer and him inviting Gordon Brown back in to government. The comments are saying they would vote for Brown again. Gordon Brown was never elected PM he took over from war monger Blair, At the subsequent election conservatives joined with lib Dems to form a government . Politics in this country is ruined by university graduates thinking they can run a country after studying politics and not living life. I pray for the days when our politicians stand and fight for the rights of the electorate n not to feather their own nest. There is not currently in my eyes a political party looking out for the man/woman/they/them n whatever on the ground. They are there because it's what they studied not because they have a fight for rights.

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By *inky PerkyCouple
3 weeks ago

Narnia


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I hope you like a long wait

The whole thing looks like a "Be careful what you wish for" scenario to me. All the other options in Labour are even worse IMO."

I don't think they're worse but they're not obviously better. The Tories showed us the error of "anyone must be better than..."May / Johnson / Truss / Sunnak 🤣🤣🤣. Without a clear plan it's just going to be another shit show

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By *inky PerkyCouple
3 weeks ago

Narnia


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I'd go for Andy Burnham.

Why ? He's not even elected as an MP 😂

That’s definitely going to be an impediment for him."

If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy.

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I'd go for Andy Burnham.

Why ? He's not even elected as an MP 😂

That’s definitely going to be an impediment for him.

If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy."

Yes, but how did that work out for him last time? And it’s very time dependent, if Starmer goes now there’s no way for Burnham to become an MP in time. He has to hope that Starmer will announce a timetable for his departure.

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I'd go for Andy Burnham.

Why ? He's not even elected as an MP 😂

That’s definitely going to be an impediment for him.

If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy."

Safe labour seat ? Like Gorton and Denton ?

It will be a u-turn by the NEC to allow him to stand IF a seat becomes available .

Furthermore he stated he would serve his full term as mayor of Manchester - and were he to resign I wonder what the mans would think about that ?

Genuine question has he done well for manchester ?

We all know that the poisioned dwarf has ruined London !

To use a football analogy - the longer an injured player is out and his/her team keep losing the higher their stock rises .

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By *hromakeyDreamcoatMan
3 weeks ago

Carlisle


"Who exactly do people think is a better candidate to replace Starmer?

I'd go for Andy Burnham.

Why ? He's not even elected as an MP 😂

That’s definitely going to be an impediment for him.

If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy.

Safe labour seat ? Like Gorton and Denton ?

It will be a u-turn by the NEC to allow him to stand IF a seat becomes available .

Furthermore he stated he would serve his full term as mayor of Manchester - and were he to resign I wonder what the mans would think about that ?

Genuine question has he done well for manchester ?

We all know that the poisioned dwarf has ruined London !

To use a football analogy - the longer an injured player is out and his/her team keep losing the higher their stock rises .

"

Ruined London? Is that why he is consistently voted in with a 10% higher vote share than his nearest opponent?

Are you sure it’s not a case of ’I don’t like him and I can’t dwive my Chelsea twactor any more. Boo hoo’?

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
3 weeks ago

Gilfach


"If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy."

That's *if* he's allowed in by Labour HQ. Last time they said that the cost of electing a new mayor was too expensive, and that hasn't changed. What has changed is the likelihood of a Labour candidate being elected as the replacement mayor.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks there's such a thing as a 'safe Labour seat' after the local election results.

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london


"If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy.

That's *if* he's allowed in by Labour HQ. Last time they said that the cost of electing a new mayor was too expensive, and that hasn't changed. What has changed is the likelihood of a Labour candidate being elected as the replacement mayor.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks there's such a thing as a 'safe Labour seat' after the local election results."

Did you miss the word "not" out ?

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By *l_xxxMan
3 weeks ago

South leeds

Just for a change i want the country's leadership to have a backbone and just get on with it.

Either stand down, the world laughs and uk stagnates with another "and how long will this one last" approach.

Or

Stay, put your foot down and lead. Tell the contenders, who will have equal skeletons in the closet, to sort the country out rather than distract with bickering. All I can see is bickering rather than each minister actually working hard in their department like paying sub postmasters or bringing failing services up to standard. Name call is far more important it appears.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
3 weeks ago

Gilfach


"If he gets the nod from Labour HQ, simply engineer a by-election in a safe Labour seat and parachute him in. Easy."


"That's *if* he's allowed in by Labour HQ. Last time they said that the cost of electing a new mayor was too expensive, and that hasn't changed. What has changed is the likelihood of a Labour candidate being elected as the replacement mayor.

I'm surprised that anyone thinks there's such a thing as a 'safe Labour seat' after the local election results."


"Did you miss the word "not" out ?"

No. But I'm interested to know where you think it should be.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

‘ streeting allies tell BBC they expect him to challenge Starmer for leadership as soon as tomorrow’

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By *exy_HornyCouple
3 weeks ago

Leigh


"‘ streeting allies tell BBC they expect him to challenge Starmer for leadership as soon as tomorrow’

"

Starmer has “full confidence” in Streeting.

That’s usually the last thing said before someone is sacked

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By *ondon Gent OP   Man
3 weeks ago

london

What has changed is the likelihood of a Labour candidate "not" being elected as the replacement mayor.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
3 weeks ago

Bedfuck

Gone by Friday at the earliest defo next week. Should have gone to war, that would distracted the situation but he's so far gone I don't think that would have worked either.

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By *otMe66Man
3 weeks ago

Here and there

If Rayner gets anywhere near no10 we will be begging for Starmer to return...

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3 weeks ago


"If Rayner gets anywhere near no10 we will be begging for Starmer to return...

"

I hope she wins.

I mean whoever runs Labour it’s going to be a disaster. With Rayner at least we will get a few months or years of total comedy.

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By *arry and MegsCouple
3 weeks ago

Ipswich


"If Rayner gets anywhere near no10 we will be begging for Starmer to return...

I hope she wins.

I mean whoever runs Labour it’s going to be a disaster. With Rayner at least we will get a few months or years of total comedy."

And the possibility of double digit interest and inflation, fucking brilliant

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By *oodmessMan
3 weeks ago

yumsville

Burnham has got his good boy photo timing on point - he's likely the modern day Blair. His ability to get anything done in office though is questionable. He's led to a drastic increase in drug use in Manchester, this doesn't just impact individuals it impacts communities. It spreads like a web, increasing low level crime - usually the type that goes unreported but is entirely antisocial. It's been happening for 10yrs plus, there's been no investment aside from Saudis getting 999yr property leases, no business expansion aside that the govenrment has granted.

The Liverpool Mayor should stand as he's knocked it out of the park, he just doesn't seek the attention "Andy hands in his pockets's Burnham" does.

As for Raynor and Streeting - who would honestly keep a straight face if either of them tried telling you what was on their mind.

Burnham has honestly sunk Manchester.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
3 weeks ago

nearby

Wes resigns, that’s five ministers out

What next ?

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By *oodmessMan
3 weeks ago

yumsville


"Wes resigns, that’s five ministers out

What next ? "

Bet he's glad the Dr's strike isn't across his table anymore

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By (user no longer on site)
3 weeks ago


"If Rayner gets anywhere near no10 we will be begging for Starmer to return...

I hope she wins.

I mean whoever runs Labour it’s going to be a disaster. With Rayner at least we will get a few months or years of total comedy."

Bring back lizzy Truss. Lol

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
3 weeks ago

Gilfach

A BBC article I was reading says that Josh Simons, the man who has stood aside for Andy Burnham, isn't a hard leftist. He's considered to be on the right of the party, and is a close ally of Shabana Mahmood and her immigration reforms.

Wouldn't it be amusing if Josh Simons is announced as the new Reform candidate standing against Andy Burnham.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
3 weeks ago

Leigh


"If Rayner gets anywhere near no10 we will be begging for Starmer to return...

I hope she wins.

I mean whoever runs Labour it’s going to be a disaster. With Rayner at least we will get a few months or years of total comedy.

Bring back lizzy Truss. Lol"

When Liz Truss was PM bond yields shot up to 4.3%, now they are approaching 5.2%. The pound is also lower against the Euro than in October 2022.

The prospect of Andy Burnham being PM has raised the cost of borrowing and devalued the pound.

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