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"If the ice cream van loses its clients should the pizzeria next door shut down the business as a result?" but what if the ice cream van has lost all it's ice cream should it just carry on trying to sell. | |||
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"If the ice cream van loses its clients should the pizzeria next door shut down the business as a result? but what if the ice cream van has lost all it's ice cream should it just carry on trying to sell." He's not asking about the ice cream van though is he, he is asking about the pizzeria | |||
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"Labour have fewer seats on local councils but still have a parliamentary majority. Local government is the ice cream vans. Central government is the pizzeria " labour has lost so many council seats that have been labour for so many years. such as Wales, that does not bode well for any general election | |||
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"Labour have fewer seats on local councils but still have a parliamentary majority. Local government is the ice cream vans. Central government is the pizzeria labour has lost so many council seats that have been labour for so many years. such as Wales, that does not bode well for any general election" I agree but let's see how the next couple of years pan out with reform councillors first. | |||
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"Labour have fewer seats on local councils but still have a parliamentary majority. Local government is the ice cream vans. Central government is the pizzeria labour has lost so many council seats that have been labour for so many years. such as Wales, that does not bode well for any general election I agree but let's see how the next couple of years pan out with reform councillors first. " They will be under the microscope and rightly too. Same for all councillors new or old. The greens were the other winners so will also be tested | |||
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"38 months left Happy to wait, by then they Labour will be gone for a generation. " Why is that so good? I’m fascinated | |||
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"38 months left Happy to wait, by then they Labour will be gone for a generation. Why is that so good? I’m fascinated " labour lost 1496 council seats. labour lost control in Wales, the first time since devolution. labour have been pretty much wiped from teh political board, also in many areas that only ever voted labour. dead duck now | |||
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"Ultimately it won’t matter for Labour whether Starmer sticks it out or not. Starmer is as unpopular as ever. It’s obvious that he hasn’t connected with the electorate, which views him somewhere between a laughing stock and utter loathing. But this Labour front bench is its A Team, which is unfortunate as they are a bunch of clueless minor public sector technocrats with zero experience of the real world and no ideas on how to improve things for the country or the majority of the people who live in it. Their main plan involves taking money off the 80% of the population that didn’t vote for them and handing it over to the 20% that did. Which isn’t much of a strategy. Whether they stick with Starmer or not, it’s game over." How are they going to do that then? | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. " Who are the Ultra right? | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. Who are the ultra-right?" And like this you blocked me  It has been a pleasure to debate in this democratic, friendly and tolerant environment ✌️ | |||
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"Labour have fewer seats on local councils but still have a parliamentary majority. Local government is the ice cream vans. Central government is the pizzeria " I'm, like many, are wondering do we need pizza even? Ice cream? Yes. Pizza? I'm not fully convinced. Do I know the best alternative to pizza though? No. | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. " I agree with this. People are blind to what they are sleepwalking into if Reform are successful at the General Election | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. I agree with this. People are blind to what they are sleepwalking into if Reform are successful at the General Election " So the reason people aren’t voting Labour is because of “sleepwalking”, and because they are being misled by the “ultra rich” and “controlled” social media. Nothing to do with Labour being shit. Aside of course from the dwindling band of Labour voters, who are wearing the magic tin foil that stops them falling prey to this “control”. | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. " I don’t think people really want to vote for the far right. The problem is that the main parties have failed to deliver for a large proportion of the country and those people have no where else to go. Let’s take the historic Labour heartlands. Taken for granted and ignored because Labour knew they could just weigh the vote. The red wall became the blue wall after people got pissed off and switched to the Tories. They did nothing with it and that meant one last dalliance with Labour in the last election. People have lost faith and the ones who haven’t fucked it up (mainly because they haven’t had a chance yet) will be the recipients of that. Reform haven’t won the popular vote. The old parties lost it. | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. I agree with this. People are blind to what they are sleepwalking into if Reform are successful at the General Election So the reason people aren’t voting Labour is because of “sleepwalking”, and because they are being misled by the “ultra rich” and “controlled” social media. Nothing to do with Labour being shit. Aside of course from the dwindling band of Labour voters, who are wearing the magic tin foil that stops them falling prey to this “control”." No, just adding a new fresh? wider angle. If you want to dig deeper, I think the resounding failure of communism in the 90’s has been the main political factor in the decadence of the traditional parties, but I wouldn't like to continue overloading a thread about a local election on a sexual dating site. I feel I'm becoming the sportspoil. Please go ahead with the fun. | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. Who are the ultra-right? And like this you blocked me It has been a pleasure to debate in this democratic, friendly and tolerant environment ✌️"You could simply answer the question, or not as is your wish  | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. I agree with this. People are blind to what they are sleepwalking into if Reform are successful at the General Election So the reason people aren’t voting Labour is because of “sleepwalking”, and because they are being misled by the “ultra rich” and “controlled” social media. Nothing to do with Labour being shit. Aside of course from the dwindling band of Labour voters, who are wearing the magic tin foil that stops them falling prey to this “control”. No, just adding a new fresh? wider angle. If you want to dig deeper, I think the resounding failure of communism in the 90’s has been the main political factor in the decadence of the traditional parties, but I wouldn't like to continue overloading a thread about a local election on a sexual dating site. I feel I'm becoming the sportspoil. Please go ahead with the fun. " Sadly it’s not really a fresh angle. When faced with electoral defeat it’s standard practice from the Left to refuse to undertake any meaningful self-analysis or introspection and instead call their opponents “racist”, “thick”, “controlled by nefarious third parties” etc etc. It’s much easier and has the advantage of the Left avoiding having to confront any failings in their ideology and policies. I’m sure what we are about to see with Labour is a change of “personality” at the head, with the replacement for Starmer pursuing essentially the same failed policies or probably worse, with the inevitable electoral outcome. | |||
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"The ultra-right is winning nonstop around the world as a consequence of the concentration of wealth and its Social Media control. It's not just a local result. Sad people can't see it, because its looks pretty obvious to me. Free independent press is in agony. I agree with this. People are blind to what they are sleepwalking into if Reform are successful at the General Election So the reason people aren’t voting Labour is because of “sleepwalking”, and because they are being misled by the “ultra rich” and “controlled” social media. Nothing to do with Labour being shit. Aside of course from the dwindling band of Labour voters, who are wearing the magic tin foil that stops them falling prey to this “control”. No, just adding a new fresh? wider angle. If you want to dig deeper, I think the resounding failure of communism in the 90’s has been the main political factor in the decadence of the traditional parties, but I wouldn't like to continue overloading a thread about a local election on a sexual dating site. I feel I'm becoming the sportspoil. Please go ahead with the fun. Sadly it’s not really a fresh angle. When faced with electoral defeat it’s standard practice from the Left to refuse to undertake any meaningful self-analysis or introspection and instead call their opponents “racist”, “thick”, “controlled by nefarious third parties” etc etc. It’s much easier and has the advantage of the Left avoiding having to confront any failings in their ideology and policies. I’m sure what we are about to see with Labour is a change of “personality” at the head, with the replacement for Starmer pursuing essentially the same failed policies or probably worse, with the inevitable electoral outcome." Agreed, that is the most likely outcome if they force him out. The same policies being pushed by an individual who has less influence and credibility than Starmer, being blocked by the same incompetent Ministers, MPs and civil service. | |||
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"The only chance Labour have of not ending up like the Tories is if they get rid of Starmer AND replace him with someone who can both develop and articulate a coherent set of policies. Even then it’s touch and go. None of the parties have a coherent set of policies, they all either scapegoating foreigners, promising the earth for free, or doing both. And to be fair it seems to be working for them in terms of opinion polls. Sooner or later we’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that stopping all asylum seekers coming across the channel will make absolutely no difference, other than causing Farage to have to find another vulnerable group to scapegoat. Labour will find it particularly difficult, given that pretty much 90% of the press and media are controlled by right wing mega rich people. Reform even have their own entertainment channel ffs. I don’t see a great future for Labour, unless they can go back to doing what they were created to do, look after the people exploited by capitalism." You are making this all about populist politics and irregular immigration when it is runs much deeper than that. Economic stagnation through poor policies is a core miss by no 11 backed by Starmer, start there for a more realistic national view of discontentment. | |||
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"The only chance Labour have of not ending up like the Tories is if they get rid of Starmer AND replace him with someone who can both develop and articulate a coherent set of policies. Even then it’s touch and go. None of the parties have a coherent set of policies, they all either scapegoating foreigners, promising the earth for free, or doing both. And to be fair it seems to be working for them in terms of opinion polls. Sooner or later we’re going to have to come to terms with the fact that stopping all asylum seekers coming across the channel will make absolutely no difference, other than causing Farage to have to find another vulnerable group to scapegoat. Labour will find it particularly difficult, given that pretty much 90% of the press and media are controlled by right wing mega rich people. Reform even have their own entertainment channel ffs. I don’t see a great future for Labour, unless they can go back to doing what they were created to do, look after the people exploited by capitalism. You are making this all about populist politics and irregular immigration when it is runs much deeper than that. Economic stagnation through poor policies is a core miss by no 11 backed by Starmer, start there for a more realistic national view of discontentment. " It’s always the economy, people don’t care about immigration when they have money in their pockets. But as we screwed our economy leaving the EU, and need immigration for economic growth we’re a bit fucked there when you’ve got the likes of Farage and Badenoch blaming immigrants for everything, and no sensible politicians having the courage to counter them. | |||
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" It’s always the economy, people don’t care about immigration when they have money in their pockets. But as we screwed our economy leaving the EU, and need immigration for economic growth we’re a bit fucked there when you’ve got the likes of Farage and Badenoch blaming immigrants for everything, and no sensible politicians having the courage to counter them." We didn’t screw the economy by leaving the EU however the poor quality politicians, and the remainer Civil Service blob, have certainly done massive damage by not taking advantage of the freedoms that leaving gave us. Likewise, immigration is not necessary for economic growth, particularly if the immigrants take low paid work. Per capita productivity increases should drive growth, assisted by highly skilled (and high earning) immigrants as necessary. Growing the total size of the economy while seeing per capita productivity stagnate or fall is a recipe to make the general population feel poorer while benefiting the few. | |||
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" It’s always the economy, people don’t care about immigration when they have money in their pockets. But as we screwed our economy leaving the EU, and need immigration for economic growth we’re a bit fucked there when you’ve got the likes of Farage and Badenoch blaming immigrants for everything, and no sensible politicians having the courage to counter them. We didn’t screw the economy by leaving the EU however the poor quality politicians, and the remainer Civil Service blob, have certainly done massive damage by not taking advantage of the freedoms that leaving gave us. Likewise, immigration is not necessary for economic growth, particularly if the immigrants take low paid work. Per capita productivity increases should drive growth, assisted by highly skilled (and high earning) immigrants as necessary. Growing the total size of the economy while seeing per capita productivity stagnate or fall is a recipe to make the general population feel poorer while benefiting the few." How, specifically, could they have taken advantage of the freedoms? | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better?" This is really where Labour shills have got to. “Sure Labour is shit but anyone else might be more shit so much better to live with shit Labour”. | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better? This is really where Labour shills have got to. “Sure Labour is shit but anyone else might be more shit so much better to live with shit Labour”." Labour weren’t in power when Brexit happened, I’m just wondering which politicians would’ve taken advantage of the ‘freedoms’ it afforded us, any ideas? | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better? This is really where Labour shills have got to. “Sure Labour is shit but anyone else might be more shit so much better to live with shit Labour”. Labour weren’t in power when Brexit happened, I’m just wondering which politicians would’ve taken advantage of the ‘freedoms’ it afforded us, any ideas?" Labour could have taken advantage of them since July 2024. They have just chosen not to. Starmer and Labour would much prefer it if they didn’t actually have any freedom from the EU and could just manage whatever this week’s EU Commission edict is. Much simpler for everyone, especially if you are some minor talentless public sector technocrat. Nobody is responsible for the failures that continue to afflict this country since July 2024 but Labour. The electorate doesn’t expect perfection from politicians. Depending on the scale of the error of course, people are fair minded and would be prepared to give anyone a fair chance if they were honest and, on balance, competent. We all know of course that Starmer and his cabinet aren’t competent. Starmer spends his time either blaming everyone else for his failures, or talking vague rubbish than nobody believes. I suspect 80% of the electorate switches off the second Starmer starts talking. They’ve long since made up their minds about him. | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better? This is really where Labour shills have got to. “Sure Labour is shit but anyone else might be more shit so much better to live with shit Labour”. Labour weren’t in power when Brexit happened, I’m just wondering which politicians would’ve taken advantage of the ‘freedoms’ it afforded us, any ideas?" Nobody is / was going to support the mess the conservative party got themselves into, and that was the reason they were rightly booted out of office. The incoming labour government had one job to do in my opinion, don't make things any worse than they already are. They did that from day-1, topping it off they hindered business growth and blew billions. Starmer over the weekend meekly acknowledged they had go it wrong, No-11 is sill running as is today... | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better? This is really where Labour shills have got to. “Sure Labour is shit but anyone else might be more shit so much better to live with shit Labour”. Labour weren’t in power when Brexit happened, I’m just wondering which politicians would’ve taken advantage of the ‘freedoms’ it afforded us, any ideas? Labour could have taken advantage of them since July 2024. They have just chosen not to. Starmer and Labour would much prefer it if they didn’t actually have any freedom from the EU and could just manage whatever this week’s EU Commission edict is. Much simpler for everyone, especially if you are some minor talentless public sector technocrat. Nobody is responsible for the failures that continue to afflict this country since July 2024 but Labour. The electorate doesn’t expect perfection from politicians. Depending on the scale of the error of course, people are fair minded and would be prepared to give anyone a fair chance if they were honest and, on balance, competent. We all know of course that Starmer and his cabinet aren’t competent. Starmer spends his time either blaming everyone else for his failures, or talking vague rubbish than nobody believes. I suspect 80% of the electorate switches off the second Starmer starts talking. They’ve long since made up their minds about him. " Which politicians could’ve taken advantage better? | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better? This is really where Labour shills have got to. “Sure Labour is shit but anyone else might be more shit so much better to live with shit Labour”. Labour weren’t in power when Brexit happened, I’m just wondering which politicians would’ve taken advantage of the ‘freedoms’ it afforded us, any ideas? Nobody is / was going to support the mess the conservative party got themselves into, and that was the reason they were rightly booted out of office. The incoming labour government had one job to do in my opinion, don't make things any worse than they already are. They did that from day-1, topping it off they hindered business growth and blew billions. Starmer over the weekend meekly acknowledged they had go it wrong, No-11 is sill running as is today... " But which politicians could’ve taken advantage of the ‘freedoms’ Brexit afforded us better? | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better?" All of them, both before and after the referendum. Cameron didn’t think he’d lose so did no preparation. Then the series of useless Tories after that. This current administration is worse than any of them, which is saying a lot. And no, we aren’t Reform voters yet. | |||
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"And which politicians could’ve done better? All of them, both before and after the referendum. Cameron didn’t think he’d lose so did no preparation. Then the series of useless Tories after that. This current administration is worse than any of them, which is saying a lot. And no, we aren’t Reform voters yet." But none of them did, do you think that was deliberate sabotage of the economy? | |||
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"How, specifically, could they have taken advantage of the freedoms?" We had the opportunity to deregulate, remove unnecessary red tape and increase competitiveness. Reducing the cost of power/energy, reducing taxes as a percentage of income, rewarding hard work and entrepreneurship. Stopping the industrial decline which has been a policy of successive governments on the idiotic Net Zero agenda. Exporting our emissions, making other less scrupulous countries rich while impoverishing ourselves is sheer group think madness. Removing artificial blocks on development while protecting what is good in the country. Attracting high earning people who want to live and work here. Penalising those spongers who don’t want to work. “There aren’t any jobs where I live” isn’t a good enough excuse. As it is, nobody did anything about removing EU rules and regulations from our system. Our country rewards idleness while squeezing the middle earners on the false narrative that they are “rich” whereas the real rich people can just avoid taxes anyway. | |||
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"How, specifically, could they have taken advantage of the freedoms? We had the opportunity to deregulate, remove unnecessary red tape and increase competitiveness. " What would you have deregulated, and what red tape would you get rid of? " Reducing the cost of power/energy, reducing taxes as a percentage of income, rewarding hard work and entrepreneurship. " How would you reduce the cost of energy? And how could we afford to give pay cuts? " Stopping the industrial decline which has been a policy of successive governments on the idiotic Net Zero agenda. Exporting our emissions, making other less scrupulous countries rich while impoverishing ourselves is sheer group think madness. " How would you stop industrial decline? What do you think we could make here cheaper than it is made abroad? " Removing artificial blocks on development while protecting what is good in the country. " What artificial blocks are you talking about? And what do you think should be protected? " Attracting high earning people who want to live and work here. Penalising those spongers who don’t want to work. “There aren’t any jobs where I live” isn’t a good enough excuse. " What do you think would attract high earners to the UK, and how would that benefit us? " As it is, nobody did anything about removing EU rules and regulations from our system. Our country rewards idleness while squeezing the middle earners on the false narrative that they are “rich” whereas the real rich people can just avoid taxes anyway." You realise that if we diverged from EU rules and regulations we wouldn’t be able to trade with the EU, who are by far our biggest trading partners, don’t you? | |||
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"How, specifically, could they have taken advantage of the freedoms? We had the opportunity to deregulate, remove unnecessary red tape and increase competitiveness. What would you have deregulated, and what red tape would you get rid of? Reducing the cost of power/energy, reducing taxes as a percentage of income, rewarding hard work and entrepreneurship. How would you reduce the cost of energy? And how could we afford to give pay cuts? Stopping the industrial decline which has been a policy of successive governments on the idiotic Net Zero agenda. Exporting our emissions, making other less scrupulous countries rich while impoverishing ourselves is sheer group think madness. How would you stop industrial decline? What do you think we could make here cheaper than it is made abroad? Removing artificial blocks on development while protecting what is good in the country. What artificial blocks are you talking about? And what do you think should be protected? Attracting high earning people who want to live and work here. Penalising those spongers who don’t want to work. “There aren’t any jobs where I live” isn’t a good enough excuse. What do you think would attract high earners to the UK, and how would that benefit us? As it is, nobody did anything about removing EU rules and regulations from our system. Our country rewards idleness while squeezing the middle earners on the false narrative that they are “rich” whereas the real rich people can just avoid taxes anyway. You realise that if we diverged from EU rules and regulations we wouldn’t be able to trade with the EU, who are by far our biggest trading partners, don’t you?" In terms of deregulation, EU rules permeate virtually everything we do. From procurement to employment to environment to taxes such as vat. Much of it is unnecessary and could be greatly simplified. Energy costs are some of the highest in the world, due mainly to government policy. For electricity: remove environmental and social levies, decouple the price from the gas price, reduce tax and vat. Reduce tax on all forms of energy including road fuel. Reducing the cost of energy to be comparable to major economies such as the US would go a long way toward rejuvenating our industry. Similarly, removing penalties for emissions, carbon trading etc. would help. Also making the cost of employing people lower, and reducing the cost of training is essential. Development is difficult due to unnecessary environmental and planning rules. Requiring net environmental gains and no phosphate increases prevents much needed housing development. Housing is way too expensive in this country, due to the add on costs of a development, restrictive planning and an imbalance between supply and demand. Marriage and secure family units are not encouraged, immigration is high and development is low. High earners are naturally attracted to dynamic economies where they are rewarded for their efforts and not taxed excessively or hated for being successful. The working and living environment also needs to be pleasant, not the dirty pothole and graffiti ridden mess the UK gas descended to be. Diverging from EU regulations doesn’t necessarily mean lower standards however there may be cases where they vindictively penalise more dynamic economies. Hoe can the above be afforded? By cutting welfare, cutting the size if the public sector, and by growth - use twice as much Diesel at half the tax rate and the overall tax take is the same. OK so we’ll contribute 2% of global emissions not 1 % but will anyone really notice? | |||
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