FabSwingers.com forum: A second referendum to rejoin eu.

By *hagTonight OP Man
10 hours ago

From the land of haribos.

If there was a 2nd referendum to rejoin the eu, what do you think the outcome would be, especially now how we knew how they lied in order to win it in the first place, do you think that many would change their mind?

I read an interesting poll on ukgov and a recent poll it would suggest so, it found that 63% would vote to rejoin the eu, not just that, but it also found that it rises to 83% with 16-25 year olds. I think that sends a signal that people want to rejoin.

It would be interesting to see what your view about it is and the high figures to rejoin, do you think brexit was a good idea or a big mistake and if the brexit would be conducted rightly would they have won it?

I agree with the recent poll suggesting that people want to rejoin and I think that as I mentioned above that how brexit was based on a lie, if it was legit in the first place I dont think they would of won it

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By *icecouple561Couple
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10 hours ago

East Sussex

No. I didn't agree with the first one either.

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By *hief ScoutMan
10 hours ago

Middx/Herts borders-ish or thereabouts !

No. In MY opinion, you cannot stick approaching thirty countries with different needs, different outlooks, different priorities and different economic systems into a one-size-fits-all situation and expect it to work. But hey-ho, I was merely one of seventeen and a million racists who was apparently incapable of forming their own opinion.

I've got a set of the leaflets from the 1975 Referendum kicking around somewhere, and the problems and issues highlighted are no nearer being solved than they were fifty years ago.

I voted "out" ten years ago, and would do so again every day of the week.

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By *iquanteMan
10 hours ago

Birmingham

The Remainers thought they’d win the last referendum. If they thought for a second they would lose it they would never have held it. Thats why there won’t be another one.

“The EU” doesn't poll at all highly as an issue for electors. They are far more concerned about the economy, immigration, and defence. Quite why Starmer has spent so much time sucking up to the EU on this issue when the voters don’t care is a mystery. But that’s Starmer in a nutshell, completely out of touch.

The other thing that polling indicates is that when you dig deeper into what being in the EU actually means, in terms of control over particular aspects of their lives being exercised in Brussels, voters don’t want it at all. I suspect if there were a referendum the situation could change very rapidly once the arguments are presented in more detail. Hence again why another referendum wont happen.

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By *otMe66Man
8 hours ago

Terra Firma

There is more likely to be a steady realignment to the EU through EEA.

It would be enough to satisfy those that want to return through freedom of movement, but anger those that would see the trade off as adopting EU laws and regulations, not having a vote on EU laws and still paying into the EU.

At that point a government with enough of a majority could take us back fully under a banner of agreeing with both sides.

We agree it is stupid to be paying in and not being able to vote on laws, lets rejoin and remove that issue.

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By *eandRaCouple
7 hours ago

Pontypridd

It would still be out if voted again, because it's ingrained and has been for over 35yrs to hate the EU based on Boris Johnson made up lies about bendy bananas etc and English exceptionalism od course. I predicted the verdict off the referendum. Personally pissed some racists stole our EU citizenship away from us. Rather a referendum on the UK staying together, since my nation is not represented on the flag, the cost of arms on the passport and in Westminster with less MP's and no veto as a country. Or ability make its own laws or own its own coastline.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
7 hours ago

Reading

I would vote to rejoin but I don't think this is a referendum matter as it's way too complicated for ordinary voters (myself included) to understand all the ramifications. Trouble is we won't get the great deal we had before.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
7 hours ago

Reading

"It would still be out if voted again, because it's ingrained and has been for over 35yrs to hate the EU based on Boris Johnson made up lies about bendy bananas etc and English exceptionalism od course. I predicted the verdict off the referendum. Personally pissed some racists stole our EU citizenship away from us. Rather a referendum on the UK staying together, since my nation is not represented on the flag, the cost of arms on the passport and in Westminster with less MP's and no veto as a country. Or ability make its own laws or own its own coastline. "

We should have a dragon right in the middle of the flag.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
6 hours ago

Gilfach

"I agree with the recent poll suggesting that people want to rejoin and I think that as I mentioned above that how brexit was based on a lie, if it was legit in the first place I dont think they would of won it"

The other side also lied, claiming that if we left we wouldn't be able to buy french wine any more, it would cost the economy £380bn per year, etc. if we had another referendum there would be a lot more fact checking of the arguments made.

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By *adBod_76Man
6 hours ago

Witham

Well, I suppose you're right it wasn't £380bn a year, it was only 100bn. Source: UK government impact assessments.

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By *CExeCouple
6 hours ago

Hong-Kong/Exeter

I voted Remain originally. Having now read up and researched the EU thoroughly, I'd vote to remain out of it. A truly wretched organisation. That Walter Hallstein, the first EU commissioner had fought for Germany in WW2 for the Wehrmacht is telling.

My ex is Basque Spanish, and a few years ago was a staunch EU fan. Now she's desperate for Spain to leave the EU. The only folks I talk to who are fans of the EU are genteel middle class folks who's main gripe seem to be that they despise Farage and that going on holiday is a bit tricky.

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By *arry and MegsCouple
2 hours ago

Ipswich

"The Remainers thought they’d win the last referendum. If they thought for a second they would lose it they would never have held it. Thats why there won’t be another one.

The issues you quote, economy, immigration and defense are inextricably linked to the EU but the EU don't want or need another burden

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By *iman2100Man
1 hour ago

Glasgow

I voted remain. The key winning messages from the leavers were "Take back control" Domonic Cummings. - Who feels more in control now? Anyone?

The other mantra was "Project Fear". Every time a remainer spoke of the genuine difficulties Britain would face after Brexit the Brexiteers would chant that slogan. Too many voters voted with their heart and not their head.

Farage, Cummings, Johnson and Gove and others said we would be free to trade with the world.

So we went to India. "We would be happy to trade with you" they said "After we have settled the matter of reparations for the things you stole from India in the Victorian era"

We went to New Zealand "So, now You want to trade with us? Do you remember when you joined the EU and you dumped us over night? Now we are a SE Asian country and trade with China and India."

We went to the USA "Yes, sure thing! We can talk about trade with the UK in a year or so after we have concluded our current rounds with the EU, Uruguay, Chili and Vietnam and ..."

We went to the EU "WTF? you just divorced from us and now you want to trade? AND you want us to expend our resources stopping migrants boating to Britain? Your British sence of humour is lost on us"

As of 2026, research indicates Brexit has imposed significant, long-term costs on the British economy. Studies estimate UK GDP per capita is 6%–8% lower and investment 12%–18% lower than if the UK had remained in the EU. The impact has resulted in a smaller economy, with increased trade barriers and reduced productivity.

So, presumably, we have control but a faultering economy and few friends.

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By *eroy1000Man
59 minutes ago

milton keynes

I don't know anyone that has changed their minds on how they originally voted. Maybe they are not being truthful about it but then again maybe they are not truthful about their original vote either. Ironically the financial sector in London who once was very much in favour of remaining in the EU are now against rejoining it and want to stay out. Rather than another referendum I think it will be a political party that has rejoin in its manifesto and wins a GE. One of the arguments against the first referendum was that it was far to complicated for the general public so should not have happened. Will take some major spin to now claim it's ok for the general public to decide. There is an official rejoin party though their results have yet to match these polls

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By *iquanteMan
42 minutes ago

Birmingham

"The Remainers thought they’d win the last referendum. If they thought for a second they would lose it they would never have held it. Thats why there won’t be another one.

The issues you quote, economy, immigration and defense are inextricably linked to the EU but the EU don't want or need another burden "

They aren’t inextricably linked at in any material sense.

Constitutionally the UK is in total control of its borders. Its politicians just choose to do nothing to take the necessary steps to control them.

As far as the economy is concerned the UK was up to July 2024 performing slightly ahead of equivalent EU countries but for some reason since then things have got worse. This is one of the problems of course generally that people cannot identify what the problems or the solutions are. So they (some of them) say “ah the economy is going badly we should rejoin the EU” but the EU economy is doing as badly if not worse than the UK so how would rejoining help? Much of the problem is just a chronic lack of economic literacy in the UK population.

The UK’s economic problems are entirely of its own making. Poor productivity, high taxation and regulation, an immobile labour force, poor infrastructure, insufficient housing etc. Of course a Labour government is ideologically incapable of actually doing anything about any of those issues, so it has to claim that the answer lies elsewhere (the EU).

As for defence, in the unlikely event that Russia invades Kent, who will the British government call for assistance and who will help? The EU? With what? It would be NATO and more specifically the US that would be the only saviour.

A lot of Leftists are deluded about Europe’s place in the world. Twenty years ago, the EU made up 25% of the global economy. Today it’s 17%. On OECD forecasts by 2050 it will be less than 9%. Like the EU, too many Leftists live in some 1950’s fantasy world where the White European has a God given right to rule and to be rich. They just need to get out more.

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