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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts." You can't. If my father wants to give me money there's a £3,000 per year limit before tax becomes payable | |||
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"No there isn't a £3000 limit!!! You can gift whatever you want! If the gift is outright with no strings attached then the gift is potentially exempt. First £3000 is an Exempt Transfer and it becomes a Potentially Exempt Transfer on the excess over £3,000. If the donor dies within 7 years then the gift forms part of the estate. If the gift is more than £325,000 then the excess above £325,000 can benefit from taper relief. If you are gifting into a discretionary trust then the rules are different! " This is my understanding. One of the problems with PET gifts is the donor is potentially subject to capital gains tax if the source of funds was derived from the sale of shares or property (as opposed to cash savings) | |||
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"No there isn't a £3000 limit!!! You can gift whatever you want! If the gift is outright with no strings attached then the gift is potentially exempt. First £3000 is an Exempt Transfer and it becomes a Potentially Exempt Transfer on the excess over £3,000. If the donor dies within 7 years then the gift forms part of the estate. If the gift is more than £325,000 then the excess above £325,000 can benefit from taper relief. If you are gifting into a discretionary trust then the rules are different! Very boring post on a swingers website! Apologies! " I've been misinformed then. However my dad is 99 so... | |||
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"No there isn't a £3000 limit!!! You can gift whatever you want! If the gift is outright with no strings attached then the gift is potentially exempt. First £3000 is an Exempt Transfer and it becomes a Potentially Exempt Transfer on the excess over £3,000. If the donor dies within 7 years then the gift forms part of the estate. If the gift is more than £325,000 then the excess above £325,000 can benefit from taper relief. If you are gifting into a discretionary trust then the rules are different! Very boring post on a swingers website! Apologies! I've been misinformed then. However my dad is 99 so..." Many are unaware of PET hence the billions unnecessarily raked in through inheritance tax (Inheritance tax (IHT) receipts hit a record £8.5 billion for the 2025–26 tax year, marking a fifth consecutive annual high, driven by frozen thresholds and rising asset values. HMRC data) | |||
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"No there isn't a £3000 limit!!! You can gift whatever you want! If the gift is outright with no strings attached then the gift is potentially exempt. First £3000 is an Exempt Transfer and it becomes a Potentially Exempt Transfer on the excess over £3,000. If the donor dies within 7 years then the gift forms part of the estate. If the gift is more than £325,000 then the excess above £325,000 can benefit from taper relief. If you are gifting into a discretionary trust then the rules are different! Very boring post on a swingers website! Apologies! I've been misinformed then. However my dad is 99 so... Many are unaware of PET hence the billions unnecessarily raked in through inheritance tax (Inheritance tax (IHT) receipts hit a record £8.5 billion for the 2025–26 tax year, marking a fifth consecutive annual high, driven by frozen thresholds and rising asset values. HMRC data)" So can he give me more than £3k or not? | |||
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"No there isn't a £3000 limit!!! You can gift whatever you want! If the gift is outright with no strings attached then the gift is potentially exempt. First £3000 is an Exempt Transfer and it becomes a Potentially Exempt Transfer on the excess over £3,000. If the donor dies within 7 years then the gift forms part of the estate. If the gift is more than £325,000 then the excess above £325,000 can benefit from taper relief. If you are gifting into a discretionary trust then the rules are different! Very boring post on a swingers website! Apologies! I've been misinformed then. However my dad is 99 so... Many are unaware of PET hence the billions unnecessarily raked in through inheritance tax (Inheritance tax (IHT) receipts hit a record £8.5 billion for the 2025–26 tax year, marking a fifth consecutive annual high, driven by frozen thresholds and rising asset values. HMRC data) So can he give me more than £3k or not? " £3K annual gift. No tax ever And unlimited amount subject to LaurelnTarty’s explanation | |||
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"No there isn't a £3000 limit!!! You can gift whatever you want! If the gift is outright with no strings attached then the gift is potentially exempt. First £3000 is an Exempt Transfer and it becomes a Potentially Exempt Transfer on the excess over £3,000. If the donor dies within 7 years then the gift forms part of the estate. If the gift is more than £325,000 then the excess above £325,000 can benefit from taper relief. If you are gifting into a discretionary trust then the rules are different! Very boring post on a swingers website! Apologies! " Thank you for the very informative post. I also had the £3000 per year limit in my head so good to know it's not necessary the case  | |||
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"I've been misinformed then." You're not the only one. HMRC like to imply that there's a limit and you should declare all gifts so that they can check for compliance. Their guidance often says "A gift of less than £3,000 is tax free", which rather implies that any larger amount is taxable. What they actually mean is "Many precedents in court cases have established that we are unable to bring forward an investigation for an amount less than £3,000". | |||
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"So can he give me more than £3k or not?" It gets complicated quickly but ... Anyone can give you any amount of money as a gift and no tax is payable. If the gifter dies soon afterwards and HMRC think that the gift was an attempt to avoid inheritance tax, they can take you to court and try to make you pay. The courts won't let them do that if the gifter lives for 7 years after the date of the gift. There are extra rules around family homes and other wrinkles, but that's the basics. | |||
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"I've been misinformed then. You're not the only one. HMRC like to imply that there's a limit and you should declare all gifts so that they can check for compliance. " Yeah they're as bad as the bbc with their licence always trying to get your money. At the end of the day money you have paid the required tax on in the country you were resident in (for tax) when you earned it can be given away, repatriated to other countries, whatever you like it's no business of HMRC. But if they do investigate you, they have the best lawyers cost a fortune to defend. | |||
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"how do you get a 5 million gift into your bank account without telling anyone." That all depends who you don't want to know. Like, obviously the bank will know. The tax man – you don't need to tell them, but anti money laundering safeguards will kick in and you may be investigated. If it was me, I'd consider asking the donor to buy me some bitcoin through a peer to peer network until I work out what you want to do with it. It's volatile in the short term and down at the moment, but it will potentially be at an all time high by 2028. Seriously though, if you get that much money, consider signing off the dole.  | |||
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"Seek advice when you go for a haircut!" So, nobody thinking of money laundering via the currently favoured method? | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts." Oh dear | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear " Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities?" But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts." "Oh dear" "Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities?" "But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules." The OP said that he was asking "for a friend", so I gave him advice that would be applicable to his friend. You seem to be making it about Nigel Farage. In his case he only has to declare it if it was a political gift. If it was a personal gift, the rules say he doesn't need to declare it. | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. " if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it" Thats wrong. He became an MP within 12 months of receiving it, so it should have been declared. | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it" From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation " You’re not really arguing that it’s not a political donation are you? Yes, but Starmer something something - doesn’t speak properly something | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation You’re not really arguing that it’s not a political donation are you? Yes, but Starmer something something - doesn’t speak properly something " I'm not arguing for anything. I simply pointed out to another poster that the donation falls within the time frame to declare political donations. Also that I think farage is going down the route of saying it's a personal donation as his defence. | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation You’re not really arguing that it’s not a political donation are you? Yes, but Starmer something something - doesn’t speak properly something I'm not arguing for anything. I simply pointed out to another poster that the donation falls within the time frame to declare political donations. Also that I think farage is going down the route of saying it's a personal donation as his defence. " It’s a terrible defence and it stinks of hypocrisy | |||
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"In three years time we could have a prime minister who is bought and paid for by a Thai citizen crypto billionaire. Surely nothing could go wrong?" Lord Waheed Alli the prominent Labour peer and major party donor, gifted over £600,000 in donations, services, and gifts to Labour politicians over the last several years. His gifts to Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner included clothes, glasses, and holiday accommodation in his £18M New York second home. The Labour minister recipients failed to declare the gifts. And there’s been more Labour MPs imprisoned for expenses fraud than from any other party. | |||
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"In three years time we could have a prime minister who is bought and paid for by a Thai citizen crypto billionaire. Surely nothing could go wrong? Lord Waheed Alli the prominent Labour peer and major party donor, gifted over £600,000 in donations, services, and gifts to Labour politicians over the last several years. His gifts to Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner included clothes, glasses, and holiday accommodation in his £18M New York second home. The Labour minister recipients failed to declare the gifts. And there’s been more Labour MPs imprisoned for expenses fraud than from any other party. " This is true & I’m certainly not going to defend Labour but there is a difference between 600k spread around several individuals & 5 million to one man. Make yourself clear: are you defending Farage here? Or making the point they are all on the take no matter the colour of the rosette? | |||
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"making the point they are all on the take no matter the colour of the rosette?" And I forgot all the Vip Tory contracts handed out through Covid. And Former Tory Jenrick ( now reform) signing off party donors planning application early to save the donor £40M infastructure levy. | |||
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"making the point they are all on the take no matter the colour of the rosette? And I forgot all the Vip Tory contracts handed out through Covid. And Former Tory Jenrick ( now reform) signing off party donors planning application early to save the donor £40M infastructure levy. " | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation You’re not really arguing that it’s not a political donation are you? Yes, but Starmer something something - doesn’t speak properly something I'm not arguing for anything. I simply pointed out to another poster that the donation falls within the time frame to declare political donations. Also that I think farage is going down the route of saying it's a personal donation as his defence. It’s a terrible defence and it stinks of hypocrisy " It's just my guess based on what I have read and heard from him. Perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Will have to wait to see | |||
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"making the point they are all on the take no matter the colour of the rosette? And I forgot all the Vip Tory contracts handed out through Covid. And Former Tory Jenrick ( now reform) signing off party donors planning application early to save the donor £40M infastructure levy. "I forgot mrs non dom Sunak and what her companies had in furlough before she bankrupted them, owing HMRC a shedful to | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation You’re not really arguing that it’s not a political donation are you? Yes, but Starmer something something - doesn’t speak properly something I'm not arguing for anything. I simply pointed out to another poster that the donation falls within the time frame to declare political donations. Also that I think farage is going down the route of saying it's a personal donation as his defence. It’s a terrible defence and it stinks of hypocrisy It's just my guess based on what I have read and heard from him. Perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Will have to wait to see" It is his defence and he now bleats that the info was obtained illegally | |||
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"You can gift any amount of money to anyone without having to declare it. There's no tax to pay on gifts. Oh dear Why would anyone declare a gift when they wouldn't have to declare that they had spent money on expensive call girls, drugs, booze, holidays or any number of other luxuries or necessities? But they do have to declare it - it’s in the rules. if the gift was given to him while he was an m.p then yes.if he wasn't an m.p when he received it then no he dosent have to declare it From what I read he has to declare donations from the 12 months before being elected so this donation falls within the time frame. However apparently it's only political donations that need to be declared and from what I understand he is claiming this is a personal donation which is for his personal security. I don't know if the investigation have to prove it's actually a political donation or he has to prove it's a personal donation You’re not really arguing that it’s not a political donation are you? Yes, but Starmer something something - doesn’t speak properly something I'm not arguing for anything. I simply pointed out to another poster that the donation falls within the time frame to declare political donations. Also that I think farage is going down the route of saying it's a personal donation as his defence. It’s a terrible defence and it stinks of hypocrisy It's just my guess based on what I have read and heard from him. Perhaps my guess is completely wrong. Will have to wait to see It is his defence and he now bleats that the info was obtained illegally " So I guessed correctly for once | |||
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" Damage control and people are running defence by using the gift excuse…." It’s a bit pathetic to be honest, and very reminiscent of the way MAGA bootlickers will leap to Trump’s defence over anything. | |||
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"Remember this is the same farage that has had a go at Starmer for receiving glasses and having a box for security at arsenal games, had a go at Rachel reeves for receiving some dresses, and had a go at the culture secretary for accepting Taylor swift tickets…. But heck… 5 million… nothing to see here! The only reason we found out was that the guardian found out…. Asked him and reform for comment, reform asked for 2 days grace to publish, in which time farage ran to the telegraph and admitted it….. Damage control and people are running defence by using the gift excuse…." What was the reward for the clothes gifted to Starmer and his wife? I can give you a clue... Pass? | |||
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"“Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash, shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne, Sky News learns” I thought it was for security. " Look it’s all fine because a different politician didn’t pay a parking ticket, or something. The lengths people will go to in order to defend Farage is quite extraordinary. | |||
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"Hang on, that £5 million gift to pay for his security was sent to pay for his security at all, says Nige, it was as a reward for a successful Brexit campaign. The plot thickens." He can’t even lie without lying it seems. | |||
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"“Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash, shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne, Sky News learns” I thought it was for security. " Was it literally in cash, a big wheelbarrow full, or purchased outright without a mortgage  | |||
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"“Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash, shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne, Sky News learns” I thought it was for security. Was it literally in cash, a big wheelbarrow full, or purchased outright without a mortgage "As much as I can't stand him, it'd be a brilliant story if he had rocked up with a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy a house | |||
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"“Nigel Farage bought a £1.4 million property in cash, shortly after receiving a £5m personal gift from billionaire donor Christopher Harborne, Sky News learns” I thought it was for security. Was it literally in cash, a big wheelbarrow full, or purchased outright without a mortgage
As much as I can't stand him, it'd be a brilliant story if he had rocked up with a wheelbarrow full of cash to buy a house "Can you imagine the melt down | |||
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"Farage has put his mouth in this morning He was on LBC this morning with nick Ferrari, was asked about the 5 million His replied “it was an unconditional gift, he can do with it what he wants!” … except declaring it… hmmm" Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician. "So this is the 3rd time the story has changed… shifty much?" So what's the change here? Farage has always said that it was an unconditional gift. | |||
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" Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician. " Erm… nah! https://youtu.be/btQJsxgnON0?is=Vkw56odpEushsB8t Or maybe this…. https://youtu.be/R9Ru09UxXaI?is=44vi1shEGj0Bh9an | |||
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"Farage has put his mouth in this morning He was on LBC this morning with nick Ferrari, was asked about the 5 million His replied “it was an unconditional gift, he can do with it what he wants!” … except declaring it… hmmm Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician. So this is the 3rd time the story has changed… shifty much? So what's the change here? Farage has always said that it was an unconditional gift." Farage has an habit of avoidance but he seems to do well for millionaires/billionaires. He's already had meetings with the governor of the bank of England, about changes that would benefit crypto billionaires, funnily enough. He's mouthy when he wants to be but he's been avoiding much disclosure about gifts to him.  | |||
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"Farage has put his mouth in this morning He was on LBC this morning with nick Ferrari, was asked about the 5 million His replied “it was an unconditional gift, he can do with it what he wants!” … except declaring it… hmmm So this is the 3rd time the story has changed… shifty much? " Absolutely!! | |||
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"Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician." "Erm… nah! https://youtu.be/btQJsxgnON0?is=Vkw56odpEushsB8t Or maybe this…. https://youtu.be/R9Ru09UxXaI?is=44vi1shEGj0Bh9an" Ah, right, so the phrase you put in quotes above wasn't a Farage quote, it was your summary. What Farage actually said was "it's an unconditional gift, I can spend it on Ferraris if I want". You should have quoted that, it sounds much more damning. So now that we've got the facts straight, let's go back to your other points. Farage may not need to have declared it. There's an inquiry under way and we'll find out when the report is issued. And what Farage said on that radio show is entirely consistent with what he's been saying all along, there's no change of story. I can't see why you think this is another Farage gaffe. | |||
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"Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician. Erm… nah! https://youtu.be/btQJsxgnON0?is=Vkw56odpEushsB8t Or maybe this…. https://youtu.be/R9Ru09UxXaI?is=44vi1shEGj0Bh9an Ah, right, so the phrase you put in quotes above wasn't a Farage quote, it was your summary. What Farage actually said was "it's an unconditional gift, I can spend it on Ferraris if I want". You should have quoted that, it sounds much more damning. So now that we've got the facts straight, let's go back to your other points. Farage may not need to have declared it. There's an inquiry under way and we'll find out when the report is issued. And what Farage said on that radio show is entirely consistent with what he's been saying all along, there's no change of story. I can't see why you think this is another Farage gaffe." Actually the quote on LBC was “It was an unconditional gift! I can do with it what I want (which you conveniently left out) I can spend it on Ferrari’s if I want to!” Wonder why you left out that middle bit?  | |||
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"Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician." "Erm… nah! https://youtu.be/btQJsxgnON0?is=Vkw56odpEushsB8t Or maybe this…. https://youtu.be/R9Ru09UxXaI?is=44vi1shEGj0Bh9an" "Ah, right, so the phrase you put in quotes above wasn't a Farage quote, it was your summary. What Farage actually said was "it's an unconditional gift, I can spend it on Ferraris if I want". You should have quoted that, it sounds much more damning. So now that we've got the facts straight, let's go back to your other points. Farage may not need to have declared it. There's an inquiry under way and we'll find out when the report is issued. And what Farage said on that radio show is entirely consistent with what he's been saying all along, there's no change of story. I can't see why you think this is another Farage gaffe." "Actually the quote on LBC was “It was an unconditional gift! I can do with it what I want (which you conveniently left out) I can spend it on Ferrari’s if I want to!”" No it wasn't. I've just replayed it to check. I'm looking at https://youtu.be/btQJsxgnON0 and the quote starts at 00:39. The quote I gave is correct and, unless he repeats the Ferraris line a bit later on, both of the 'quotes' you have given are wrong. I'm still waiting for you to explain why you think Farage has changed his story. | |||
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"none of it disguises the fact that it's corruption financed by money that has in effect been laundered through a mechanism designed to be opaque so as to avoid any kind of scrutiny." Where are you finding evidence that the money was handed over in some nefarious way, and wasn't just a bank transfer? | |||
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" Where are you finding evidence that the money was handed over in some nefarious way, and wasn't just a bank transfer?" irrelevant to my post ... ask something relevant instead | |||
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"Where are you finding evidence that the money was handed over in some nefarious way, and wasn't just a bank transfer?" "irrelevant to my post ... ask something relevant instead" How is it not relevant after you made the claim it was "money that has in effect been laundered through a mechanism designed to be opaque so as to avoid any kind of scrutiny"? | |||
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"Farage has put his mouth in this morning He was on LBC this morning with nick Ferrari, was asked about the 5 million His replied “it was an unconditional gift, he can do with it what he wants!” … except declaring it… hmmm Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician. So this is the 3rd time the story has changed… shifty much? So what's the change here? Farage has always said that it was an unconditional gift." Do you think it's OK for a politician to receive £5m and then not declare it? Farage fans used to be vocal about being against corruption. Now they say it doesn't matter, they're all the same. Except they aren't, free glasses is not the same as £5m from a foreign billionaire. | |||
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"Where are you finding evidence that the money was handed over in some nefarious way, and wasn't just a bank transfer? irrelevant to my post ... ask something relevant instead How is it not relevant after you made the claim it was "money that has in effect been laundered through a mechanism designed to be opaque so as to avoid any kind of scrutiny"?" you blarted on about bank transfers and money being handed over nefariously .... that has no relation to my post whatsoever | |||
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"Farage has put his mouth in this morning He was on LBC this morning with nick Ferrari, was asked about the 5 million His replied “it was an unconditional gift, he can do with it what he wants!” … except declaring it… hmmm Presumably Farage was talking about the donor when he said that, meaning 'it was an unconditional gift, Christopher Harborne can do with his money what he wants'. If that's the case, Harborne doesn't need to declare it. There's nothing illegal in giving money to a politician. So this is the 3rd time the story has changed… shifty much? So what's the change here? Farage has always said that it was an unconditional gift." Farage sympathiser here. Fighting his corner lol | |||
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"Do you think it's OK for a politician to receive £5m and then not declare it?" Firstly, he wasn't a politician when he got the money. And secondly, yes it is. It's fine for anyone to give anyone else some money, or even lots of money. Where it stops being fine is if the money is some sort of bribe. Farage still isn't in power, so there's nothing he can do to influence the direction of this country, which means it can't be a bribe. If he does become PM, it would be right to carefully scrutinise any move which benefits Christopher Harborne, but right now there's nothing to examine. The Commons Standards Committee rules explicitly say that if a gift is given unconditionally it doesn't need to be declared. This shows that they expect MPs to get personal gifts, and that they accept that digging into their personal lives without good reason is a bad idea. Do you really think that other politicians refuse gifts from their friends? | |||
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"the more he squirms while changing the stories ..." He hasn't changed the story, he's been consistent throughout. | |||
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"Surely no strings attached and definitely no intention of influencing UK government policy. Just a very thoughtful gift to a man who has sacrificed so much for this country . Just wondering if the crypto guy has bestowed other such gifts onto people who give so much back to this country or is Nige the only one worthy of such a gift? Just asking. " Farage is not the only worthy one, however his friends seem to see a lot more worth in him than say what Alli saw in Starmer and his wife. | |||
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"Surely no strings attached and definitely no intention of influencing UK government policy. Just a very thoughtful gift to a man who has sacrificed so much for this country . Just wondering if the crypto guy has bestowed other such gifts onto people who give so much back to this country or is Nige the only one worthy of such a gift? Just asking. Farage is not the only worthy one, however his friends seem to see a lot more worth in him than say what Alli saw in Starmer and his wife. " You’re absolutely right about that one. Designer glasses, clothes, gig and football tockets are miserly compared to £5m. Alli is clearly a tight git and doesn’t think much of the Starmer’s. | |||
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"Surely no strings attached and definitely no intention of influencing UK government policy. Just a very thoughtful gift to a man who has sacrificed so much for this country . Just wondering if the crypto guy has bestowed other such gifts onto people who give so much back to this country or is Nige the only one worthy of such a gift? Just asking. Farage is not the only worthy one, however his friends seem to see a lot more worth in him than say what Alli saw in Starmer and his wife. You’re absolutely right about that one. Designer glasses, clothes, gig and football tockets are miserly compared to £5m. Alli is clearly a tight git and doesn’t think much of the Starmer’s. " The theory would go with Starmer supposedly being left of centre, Alli would have less to gain financially & was doing it out of the goodness of his own heart hence his gifts not being as generous. Might be nonsense, but I’d be more inclined to believe that than the crap Farage is coming out with | |||
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"Gets the 5 million ‘for his security’ whilst not being a politician. Then suddenly decides he wants to be a politician again, thus increasing his own security requirements again. Nothing to see here, obviously." Not sure what you're saying there. Farage has a lot of enemies, and so definitely needs security. After he was given some money he decided that he could be an MP again in the knowledge that he could pay for the increased security. At least he's not expecting the state to pay for it. | |||
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"Surely no strings attached and definitely no intention of influencing UK government policy. Just a very thoughtful gift to a man who has sacrificed so much for this country . Just wondering if the crypto guy has bestowed other such gifts onto people who give so much back to this country or is Nige the only one worthy of such a gift? Just asking. Farage is not the only worthy one, however his friends seem to see a lot more worth in him than say what Alli saw in Starmer and his wife. You’re absolutely right about that one. Designer glasses, clothes, gig and football tockets are miserly compared to £5m. Alli is clearly a tight git and doesn’t think much of the Starmer’s. The theory would go with Starmer supposedly being left of centre, Alli would have less to gain financially & was doing it out of the goodness of his own heart hence his gifts not being as generous. Might be nonsense, but I’d be more inclined to believe that than the crap Farage is coming out with" Not nonsense. Starmer was silly to accept the gifts but there is a vast difference between gifts of specs, clothes and tickets and a £5m gift. Farage is clearly on the defensive about this. Even some Reform supporters are not buying his answers/ explanations about the £5m gift. One thing Farage hates more than anything else is scrutiny. He’s feeling the heat on this one. | |||
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"Gets the 5 million ‘for his security’ whilst not being a politician. Then suddenly decides he wants to be a politician again, thus increasing his own security requirements again. Nothing to see here, obviously. Not sure what you're saying there. Farage has a lot of enemies, and so definitely needs security. After he was given some money he decided that he could be an MP again in the knowledge that he could pay for the increased security. At least he's not expecting the state to pay for it." Yeah, he decided to become a politician again to further Harborne’s interests. The rules seem to indicate he should have declared it, so why didn’t he? | |||
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"Surely no strings attached and definitely no intention of influencing UK government policy. Just a very thoughtful gift to a man who has sacrificed so much for this country . Just wondering if the crypto guy has bestowed other such gifts onto people who give so much back to this country or is Nige the only one worthy of such a gift? Just asking. Farage is not the only worthy one, however his friends seem to see a lot more worth in him than say what Alli saw in Starmer and his wife. You’re absolutely right about that one. Designer glasses, clothes, gig and football tockets are miserly compared to £5m. Alli is clearly a tight git and doesn’t think much of the Starmer’s. The theory would go with Starmer supposedly being left of centre, Alli would have less to gain financially & was doing it out of the goodness of his own heart hence his gifts not being as generous. Might be nonsense, but I’d be more inclined to believe that than the crap Farage is coming out with Not nonsense. Starmer was silly to accept the gifts but there is a vast difference between gifts of specs, clothes and tickets and a £5m gift. Farage is clearly on the defensive about this. Even some Reform supporters are not buying his answers/ explanations about the £5m gift. One thing Farage hates more than anything else is scrutiny. He’s feeling the heat on this one. " Ah ah, I see there is a sliding scale on perceived corruption
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"At least we can agree it’s corruption…on both sides. And there is a sliding scale." You missed the important word, "perceived". Quick question on the sliding scale of corruption you mention, when does it tip to being really bad corruption and not palatable corruption. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. " there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is | |||
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"At least we can agree it’s corruption…on both sides. And there is a sliding scale. You missed the important word, "perceived". Quick question on the sliding scale of corruption you mention, when does it tip to being really bad corruption and not palatable corruption. " If a Labour politician received £5m off a foreign billionaire, didn't disclose it and tried to avoid all scrutiny of it, then I would assume they are corrupt and not fit for public office and that they almost certainly have something to hide, potentially that they are not working in the best interests of the country. If a reform politician received free tickets to sporting events, free clothes and free glasses but declared it, I'd assume they are a little bit dodgy/misguided. The latter is something that almost all politicians do, and I think is wrong but it's not really that bad in the grand scheme of things. The former is pretty fucking corrupt. Doesn't matter which party. Accepting cash of any value should be banned from politics except for transparent party donations which should have a limit on how much an individual can donate. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is "Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏 | |||
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"At least we can agree it’s corruption…on both sides. And there is a sliding scale. You missed the important word, "perceived". Quick question on the sliding scale of corruption you mention, when does it tip to being really bad corruption and not palatable corruption. If a Labour politician received £5m off a foreign billionaire, didn't disclose it and tried to avoid all scrutiny of it, then I would assume they are corrupt and not fit for public office and that they almost certainly have something to hide, potentially that they are not working in the best interests of the country. If a reform politician received free tickets to sporting events, free clothes and free glasses but declared it, I'd assume they are a little bit dodgy/misguided. The latter is something that almost all politicians do, and I think is wrong but it's not really that bad in the grand scheme of things. The former is pretty fucking corrupt. Doesn't matter which party. Accepting cash of any value should be banned from politics except for transparent party donations which should have a limit on how much an individual can donate. " What value would you put on a security pass that gave you access to no10? | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏"Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10? | |||
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"Do you think it's OK for a politician to receive £5m and then not declare it? Firstly, he wasn't a politician when he got the money. And secondly, yes it is. " A) he literally was the owner of reform uk when he got the gift B) rules state you have to declare gifts within 12 months of becoming an mp " It's fine for anyone to give anyone else some money, or even lots of money. Where it stops being fine is if the money is some sort of bribe. Farage still isn't in power, so there's nothing he can do to influence the direction of this country, which means it can't be a bribe. If he does become PM, it would be right to carefully scrutinise any move which benefits Christopher Harborne, but right now there's nothing to examine. " It might not affect power now… but it could certainly affect policy Do you see how it could look if the only party that is seen to be against a crypto donations ban is the party that would be affected by a person giving both political donations and gifts from a person who made the majority of their money investing in crypto currency " The Commons Standards Committee rules explicitly say that if a gift is given unconditionally it doesn't need to be declared. This shows that they expect MPs to get personal gifts, and that they accept that digging into their personal lives without good reason is a bad idea. " Which is why any individual donation over 10k to a political party has a name next to it… and individual donations to MPs are declared in the members book of interest (and you are also supposed to declare that interest on the floor of the House of Commons if speaking in a debate on the matter) " Do you really think that other politicians refuse gifts from their friends?" So do… it doesn’t have to be declared if it’s of minimal value, but bigger value gifts some MPs absolutely refuse them! | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏"initially he said what bung .... then he said oh that bung, but the important thing is that you only found out about it because my russian besties hcked me .... then he's said three or four different things since .... and his latest is it's none of your business .... these are legitimate questions about this incident of extreme corruption that people want answered | |||
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"The rules seem to indicate he should have declared it, so why didn’t he?" The rules say that private gifts given with no expectation of a return so not been to be declared. If Farage's story is true and the money was for security, it doesn't need to be declared. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10? "I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire. | |||
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"At least we can agree it’s corruption…on both sides. And there is a sliding scale." Which is worse, an MP that can be bought for the cost of a pair of glasses, or an MP that holds out till he gets £5m? | |||
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"At least we can agree it’s corruption…on both sides. And there is a sliding scale. You missed the important word, "perceived". Quick question on the sliding scale of corruption you mention, when does it tip to being really bad corruption and not palatable corruption. If a Labour politician received £5m off a foreign billionaire, didn't disclose it and tried to avoid all scrutiny of it, then I would assume they are corrupt and not fit for public office and that they almost certainly have something to hide, potentially that they are not working in the best interests of the country. If a reform politician received free tickets to sporting events, free clothes and free glasses but declared it, I'd assume they are a little bit dodgy/misguided. The latter is something that almost all politicians do, and I think is wrong but it's not really that bad in the grand scheme of things. The former is pretty fucking corrupt. Doesn't matter which party. Accepting cash of any value should be banned from politics except for transparent party donations which should have a limit on how much an individual can donate. What value would you put on a security pass that gave you access to no10?" It would depend on why and how the pass was granted, and what restrictions were in place. | |||
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"Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire." The difference is that Starmer and the Gang were in power at the time and able to direct government policy. Farage wasn't even an MP at the time, and still isn't close to being in a position where he can affect things. If he gets to be PM, that's the point when we should be discussing this and carefully checking all of his decisions relating to crypto. | |||
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"Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire. The difference is that Starmer and the Gang were in power at the time and able to direct government policy. Farage wasn't even an MP at the time, and still isn't close to being in a position where he can affect things. If he gets to be PM, that's the point when we should be discussing this and carefully checking all of his decisions relating to crypto." So you’re cool with all opposition MPs shilling for money and engaging in corruption. The notion that a corrupt politician will stop being corrupt as soon as they gain power is laughable at best 😂 | |||
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"Do you think it's OK for a politician to receive £5m and then not declare it?" "Firstly, he wasn't a politician when he got the money. And secondly, yes it is." "A) he literally was the owner of reform uk when he got the gift" He wasn't an MP, and I was thinking politician = MP. I can see that others think differently. "B) rules state you have to declare gifts within 12 months of becoming an mp" The rules state that anyone becoming an MP should declare all donations made in the last 12 months. Farage says this wasn't a donation, it was a personal gift. If he's right, there's no need to declare it. "Do you see how it could look if the only party that is seen to be against a crypto donations ban is the party that would be affected by a person giving both political donations and gifts from a person who made the majority of their money investing in crypto currency" I do see that, and if it were actually the case I'd be standing alongside you calling for an inquiry. But it isn't the case today, and there's only supposition to suggest that it might ever be. | |||
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"supposition will rightly continue until full transparency comes about with detailed answers to the many legitimate questions surrounding this corruption incident. the longer that farage refuses to answer these legitimate questions in detail with evidence to back up his story then he will just look guilty of attempting to lie and cheat his way out of very serious political and criminal trouble." Well said 👍 | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire. "Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless. If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life. However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different. "https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne | |||
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"supposition will rightly continue until full transparency comes about with detailed answers to the many legitimate questions surrounding this corruption incident. the longer that farage refuses to answer these legitimate questions in detail with evidence to back up his story then he will just look guilty of attempting to lie and cheat his way out of very serious political and criminal trouble. Well said 👍"
Farage used to have weekly, at least, big public announcements, until his secret broke. Then he seems to have been more hiding, until changing his excuse.
He's like a Schroeder's cat MP, wanting anonymity of being a private citizen but the publicity of being a powerful politician, depends on what suits him best. 12 months of behaviour disclosure, before being an MP, is very minimal and he should have made the time to disclose the £5 million, rather than wait to get others to publish his secrets | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne
"This is a great example of inferred reporting over factual, leading to conclusions. He has banged the drum on government overreach in this area for years. If you knew why it would probably sit well with you. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/nigel-farage-trying-block-britcoin-crypto-plans-bank-of-england-christopher-harborne
This is a great example of inferred reporting over factual, leading to conclusions.
He has banged the drum on government overreach in this area for years. If you knew why it would probably sit well with you. "Seems to me Farage should quit parliamentary politics and become a lobbyist/ adviser. With his contacts there’s far more money to be made along with minimal oversight. I think he’ll be out of politics by this time next year. But like Peter Mandelson he could return as UK ambassador to the US in 5 or 10 years time. Who knows? Anything could happen. Just so long as he keeps away from paedos and sex traffickers. | |||
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"supposition will rightly continue until full transparency comes about with detailed answers to the many legitimate questions surrounding this corruption incident. the longer that farage refuses to answer these legitimate questions in detail with evidence to back up his story then he will just look guilty of attempting to lie and cheat his way out of very serious political and criminal trouble. Well said 👍
Farage used to have weekly, at least, big public announcements, until his secret broke. Then he seems to have been more hiding, until changing his excuse.
He's like a Schroeder's cat MP, wanting anonymity of being a private citizen but the publicity of being a powerful politician, depends on what suits him best. 12 months of behaviour disclosure, before being an MP, is very minimal and he should have made the time to disclose the £5 million, rather than wait to get others to publish his secrets"everybody is in agreement that the situation has huge importance considering that he has, since the corruption incident, been extremely active lobbying in favour of the needs of the party who passed this 5 million bung that has no paper trail to farage. another question that needs to be answered is exactly how did this money come into existence prior to it popping out of the crypto laundermat? can it be proven that it is not profit from illicit means such as narco state, people smuggling or terrorist means for example. | |||
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"Seems to me Farage should quit parliamentary politics and become a lobbyist/ adviser. With his contacts there’s far more money to be made along with minimal oversight." You're saying that Farage could make lots of money elsewhere, so therefore it isn't money that's made him go into politics. If you don't believe he's in it for the money, why are you so convinced that the £5m was a bribe? | |||
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"... lobbying in favour of the needs of the party who passed this 5 million bung that has no paper trail to farage." "What leads you to believe that there's no paper trail?" "so you are saying that you have seen said paper trail?" I haven't, so I don't know if there is a paper trail or not. Have you seen anything that says there isn't a paper trail? | |||
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" I haven't, so I don't know if there is a paper trail or not. " everybody agrees that asking for transparency by providing a paper trail is clearly a legitimate question. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. " with julia hartley brewer even going after him and utterly destroying him on his own ground, this isn't going away anytime soon, right enough | |||
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"... lobbying in favour of the needs of the party who passed this 5 million bung that has no paper trail to farage."" ""What leads you to believe that there's no paper trail?"" ""so you are saying that you have seen said paper trail?"" "I haven't, so I don't know if there is a paper trail or not. Have you seen anything that says there isn't a paper trail?" "everybody agrees that asking for transparency by providing a paper trail is clearly a legitimate question." Now you're trying to change the subject. I'll ask again, have you seen anything that says there isn't a paper trail? | |||
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"Seems to me Farage should quit parliamentary politics and become a lobbyist/ adviser. With his contacts there’s far more money to be made along with minimal oversight. You're saying that Farage could make lots of money elsewhere, so therefore it isn't money that's made him go into politics. If you don't believe he's in it for the money, why are you so convinced that the £5m was a bribe?" Sorry didn’t answer the second part of your point re the bribe. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck. In what world does a business person give £5m to a politician, no questions asked? Was it just love? 😉 | |||
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"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck. In what world does a business person give £5m to a politician, no questions asked?" It's a lot of money to you, me, and Farage, but for Harborne it's just small change. If you had £1000 in your pocket and your friend told you that he was skint and couldn't afford lunch, would you give him a fiver? That's the working man's equivalent of what Harborne handed over. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. " Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. | |||
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" On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. nice straw man you've built there " Unsubstantiated claims and conspiracy theories are not my bag. I was making a point of scale, nevermind. | |||
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"If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it’s probably a duck. In what world does a business person give £5m to a politician, no questions asked? It's a lot of money to you, me, and Farage, but for Harborne it's just small change. If you had £1000 in your pocket and your friend told you that he was skint and couldn't afford lunch, would you give him a fiver? That's the working man's equivalent of what Harborne handed over." You’ve just made my point for me. A wealthy man like Christopher Harborne has the resources to buy a politician or politicians. Working class or even middle class people will never have that kind of wealth resource to fall back on. Even a Euromillions jackpot win is relatively small change. A working person can donate as much as they like to a political party or a politician but they influence they’ll buy will amount to jack shit. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. " It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. | |||
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" On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. nice straw man you've built there Unsubstantiated claims and conspiracy theories are not my bag. I was making a point of scale, nevermind." unsubstantiated claims is what farage has made .... in fact he's made a list of them over the previous weeks ..... legitimately asking for clarity on the question of corruption as a result is not a conspiracy. | |||
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"Don't like Farage or his party BUT It was a gift given to him when he wasn't a politician so he's done nothing wrong. " He was a politician, he owned Reform UK, at the time of the ‘gift.’ | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. " You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. | |||
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" On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. nice straw man you've built there Unsubstantiated claims and conspiracy theories are not my bag. I was making a point of scale, nevermind. unsubstantiated claims is what farage has made .... in fact he's made a list of them over the previous weeks ..... legitimately asking for clarity on the question of corruption as a result is not a conspiracy." If this is looked into correctly and evidence is provided of corruption I will then reassess. Until then it is finger in the air bias. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. " What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. | |||
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"Why is it people are so quick to dismiss the legitimate concerns many have over a potential future PM being given an ‘unconditional gift’ from a Thai based crypto billionaire. Does anyone think that the announcement, by said potential future PM, of policies that would be beneficial to the gift giving Thai based crypto billionaire, are unconnected to the completely ‘unconditional’ gift? Also, why did Farage use a meeting at the Bank of England, to try and block plans the BoE has, that would cost the Thai based crypto billionaire who gave Farage a totally ‘unconditional’ gift, loads of money?" This was answered further up.. Don't rely on the Guardian's inferred reporting of a meeting with the BoE. Farage has had the same stance on a central bank digital currency for years, and as I mentioned in the other post if you look into why, you might find out you agree with him. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. " You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions" I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions" no, nobody is jumping to conclusions. they are asking for evidence in answer to the legitimate questions being asked surrounding corruption. farage is refusing to give any evidence to the various wildly differing stories that he has offered thus far and it's his own doing that as a result he just looks like he has something to hide. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. " It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million." That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. | |||
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"Crikey, it would be a lot easier to just ban all gifts across the whole political spectrum. Business as well. I've turned down gifts before, even "business lunches" because then there is an element of "reciprocity" and being "beholden" to others. I scratch no ones back and do not expect mine to be scratched either. I really don't know why people place themselves in to such dilemmas in the first place." The principle of reciprocity is well known in marketing circles, it’s hilarious that people think neither they nor Farage, would be affected by it. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different. "I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family. I see it as a networking tool. Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome. For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such. Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at. As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care. I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians. If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt. Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth. For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket. Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. " I think you are confusing my pointing out the factual position rather than the assumed position as support for Farage. You are level headed, I hope you can see this as it makes conversation about events and issues less confrontational. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'." | |||
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"It’s amazing the mental gymnastics people who were calling for Starmer’s head when he accepted a free pair of glasses do, in order to support a man who took £5 million from a crypto billionaire, then announced he was changing his mind about becoming an MP, and announced policy positions that would financially benefit said crypto billionaire." I tried to point you in the right direction about Farage's view and how long he has held it on CBDCs, but please do continue. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. I think you are confusing my pointing out the factual position rather than the assumed position as support for Farage. You are level headed, I hope you can see this as it makes conversation about events and issues less confrontational." Thank you. As are you. Been a healthy debate. But the factual position remains that Farage has not adequately explained the justification for the £5m gift and that understandably raises questions and suspicions. Following his media rounds yesterday interviewers ( some interviews were with interviewers known to be favourably disposed to his politics) weren’t buying his (Farage’s) explanation. I just don’t think this is going to turn out well for Farage politically. Hence my prediction he’ll have moved onto something else by next summer. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
"How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. I think you are confusing my pointing out the factual position rather than the assumed position as support for Farage. You are level headed, I hope you can see this as it makes conversation about events and issues less confrontational. Thank you. As are you. Been a healthy debate. But the factual position remains that Farage has not adequately explained the justification for the £5m gift and that understandably raises questions and suspicions. Following his media rounds yesterday interviewers ( some interviews were with interviewers known to be favourably disposed to his politics) weren’t buying his (Farage’s) explanation. I just don’t think this is going to turn out well for Farage politically. Hence my prediction he’ll have moved onto something else by next summer. " He has 1 goal, to keep the UK out of the EU, this is why he began Reform. The influence he has should not be underestimated, he wont become PM in my opinion but he will continue to push his influence in his favour, whether he is leading Reform or not. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature. "Everyone thinks they are somehow immune to all the psychological effects that affect others. Well, everyone who isn’t blessed with good self awareness. The fact is we judge ourselves by our intentions, and others by their actions. We will always find a justification for why we did something that if someone else did we would think is corrupt. These things don’t begin with a £5m gift. They start with a dinner here, the use of a holiday villa there. People who groom others to gain influence are no fools, they are very good at what they do. The fools are the people who think they can’t be groomed. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature. "Your probably right, so I'd just keep on grabbing what was on offer. But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣 Stealing on a national level effecting soverign wealth I probably wouldn't be involved as I couldn't deal with the fear of being shot by those who find my actions distasteful. I wouldn't be greedy, just a few villas dotted around the world, some weekend apartments, a Gulfstream or 2, a warehouse full of cars, several deposits of cash and bullion. Sounds fair to me. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. I think you are confusing my pointing out the factual position rather than the assumed position as support for Farage. You are level headed, I hope you can see this as it makes conversation about events and issues less confrontational. Thank you. As are you. Been a healthy debate. But the factual position remains that Farage has not adequately explained the justification for the £5m gift and that understandably raises questions and suspicions. Following his media rounds yesterday interviewers ( some interviews were with interviewers known to be favourably disposed to his politics) weren’t buying his (Farage’s) explanation. I just don’t think this is going to turn out well for Farage politically. Hence my prediction he’ll have moved onto something else by next summer. He has 1 goal, to keep the UK out of the EU, this is why he began Reform. The influence he has should not be underestimated, he wont become PM in my opinion but he will continue to push his influence in his favour, whether he is leading Reform or not. " The UK will not be rejoining the EU in our lifetimes whether Farage is around politically or not. Exiting the EU under the terms we did was a big mistake economically speaking ( I know the EU is not performing well right now but that’s not the point , exiting in that manner hit us badly) . The last thing this country needs now is another debate on in / out of the EU. Problems are multiplying here. We have wholly dysfunctional political class ( across all parties) who lack the vision and the commitment to work on very difficult policy challenges. They do not need to be distracted by another EU debate. Besides that people are sick and tired of hearing of Brexit. | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. I think you are confusing my pointing out the factual position rather than the assumed position as support for Farage. You are level headed, I hope you can see this as it makes conversation about events and issues less confrontational. Thank you. As are you. Been a healthy debate. But the factual position remains that Farage has not adequately explained the justification for the £5m gift and that understandably raises questions and suspicions. Following his media rounds yesterday interviewers ( some interviews were with interviewers known to be favourably disposed to his politics) weren’t buying his (Farage’s) explanation. I just don’t think this is going to turn out well for Farage politically. Hence my prediction he’ll have moved onto something else by next summer. He has 1 goal, to keep the UK out of the EU, this is why he began Reform. The influence he has should not be underestimated, he wont become PM in my opinion but he will continue to push his influence in his favour, whether he is leading Reform or not. The UK will not be rejoining the EU in our lifetimes whether Farage is around politically or not. Exiting the EU under the terms we did was a big mistake economically speaking ( I know the EU is not performing well right now but that’s not the point , exiting in that manner hit us badly) . The last thing this country needs now is another debate on in / out of the EU. Problems are multiplying here. We have wholly dysfunctional political class ( across all parties) who lack the vision and the commitment to work on very difficult policy challenges. They do not need to be distracted by another EU debate. Besides that people are sick and tired of hearing of Brexit. " You are sounding in step with Farage's views and getting brexit done properly with every post | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature.
Your probably right, so I'd just keep on grabbing what was on offer.
But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣
Stealing on a national level effecting soverign wealth I probably wouldn't be involved as I couldn't deal with the fear of being shot by those who find my actions distasteful.
I wouldn't be greedy, just a few villas dotted around the world, some weekend apartments, a Gulfstream or 2, a warehouse full of cars, several deposits of cash and bullion.
Sounds fair to me."You had me at the Gulfstream or 2 , however a little disappointed you didn't have a sunseeker on the list | |||
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"He’d never have received the £5m gift unless he had entered politics. But a few things have happened over recent months that leads me to believe Farage will quit parliamentary politics. First of all is the scrutiny he’s receiving over the £5m gift ( this scrutiny is not going away anytime soon), secondly Reform have recently lost 3 winnable by-elections. Farage is clever and he’ll recognise he’s probably peaked. Let’s see. Give it a year. Why did Farage start the Reform party? On the subject of a billionaire giving a gift of £5million, that is equivalent to me giving £50 to a charity or a cause I would like to support. It’s a false equivalency. The fact is you are not in a position to buy a politician ( I’m not either) but Harborne and people with his kind of wealth are. Want to know what a country looks like when uber wealthy people can buy politicians, take a look at Russia and the way things are going, the USA. You are leaping to unfounded conclusions. What conclusions would they be? That the billionaire gave the millionaire politician £5m no questions asked? That Russia is an oligarchy and the US becoming one? That you’re not wealthy enough to buy politicians? If you are then my bad for making assumptions. You are assuming the money bought Farage, you and others are jumping to conclusions I think it’s a reasonable assumption given Farages’s evasiveness on the topic and the fact his story / explanation has changed at least twice. Just looking at this objectively. Questions need be answered and so far Farage has failed to come up with a satisfactory answer. It is not reasonable assumption, it is bias. If he is correct on his timings he doesn't owe anyone an explanation. I can see that would make a lot of people very unhappy as they have made their minds up with very little information other than Farage was gifted 5 million. That’s your opinion and I respect your right to it. However the facts so far speak otherwise. Most people aware of this are finding it impossible to believe that someone who lives on the other side of the world, would go ‘ you know what, Nige, love you, here’s £5m, no strings attached’. Paraphrasing from an interview Julia Hartley-Brewer gave with Farage on Talk TV yesterday. Check it out on You Tube. I’m afraid you’re among a diminishing minority in your support of Farage on this issue but I admire your loyalty. I think you are confusing my pointing out the factual position rather than the assumed position as support for Farage. You are level headed, I hope you can see this as it makes conversation about events and issues less confrontational. Thank you. As are you. Been a healthy debate. But the factual position remains that Farage has not adequately explained the justification for the £5m gift and that understandably raises questions and suspicions. Following his media rounds yesterday interviewers ( some interviews were with interviewers known to be favourably disposed to his politics) weren’t buying his (Farage’s) explanation. I just don’t think this is going to turn out well for Farage politically. Hence my prediction he’ll have moved onto something else by next summer. He has 1 goal, to keep the UK out of the EU, this is why he began Reform. The influence he has should not be underestimated, he wont become PM in my opinion but he will continue to push his influence in his favour, whether he is leading Reform or not. The UK will not be rejoining the EU in our lifetimes whether Farage is around politically or not. Exiting the EU under the terms we did was a big mistake economically speaking ( I know the EU is not performing well right now but that’s not the point , exiting in that manner hit us badly) . The last thing this country needs now is another debate on in / out of the EU. Problems are multiplying here. We have wholly dysfunctional political class ( across all parties) who lack the vision and the commitment to work on very difficult policy challenges. They do not need to be distracted by another EU debate. Besides that people are sick and tired of hearing of Brexit. You are sounding in step with Farage's views and getting brexit done properly with every post "Here to please 😀. You do realise of course that Brexit will never get done properly. Reminds me of those old revolutionary soviet communists who always claimed communism hadn’t failed because true communism has never been delivered . One day the true Brexit will be delivered…. just keep believing! | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature.
Your probably right, so I'd just keep on grabbing what was on offer.
But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣
Stealing on a national level effecting soverign wealth I probably wouldn't be involved as I couldn't deal with the fear of being shot by those who find my actions distasteful.
I wouldn't be greedy, just a few villas dotted around the world, some weekend apartments, a Gulfstream or 2, a warehouse full of cars, several deposits of cash and bullion.
Sounds fair to me.
You had me at the Gulfstream or 2 , however a little disappointed you didn't have a sunseeker on the list "But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣 Yep me too. But like you I’m not a politician or a public official. The public expect more from elected officials however flawed they might be. One of the things that kicked off the widespread mistrust of politicians in this country was the expenses scandal in 2009. It was a turning point. People do not take kindly to politicians preaching probity on the one hand then submitting false expenses claims or taking bungs on the other. Add a cost of living crisis to that and people do really get pissed off. | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature.
Your probably right, so I'd just keep on grabbing what was on offer.
But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣
Stealing on a national level effecting soverign wealth I probably wouldn't be involved as I couldn't deal with the fear of being shot by those who find my actions distasteful.
I wouldn't be greedy, just a few villas dotted around the world, some weekend apartments, a Gulfstream or 2, a warehouse full of cars, several deposits of cash and bullion.
Sounds fair to me.
You had me at the Gulfstream or 2 , however a little disappointed you didn't have a sunseeker on the list
But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣
Yep me too. But like you I’m not a politician or a public official. The public expect more from elected officials however flawed they might be. One of the things that kicked off the widespread mistrust of politicians in this country was the expenses scandal in 2009. It was a turning point. People do not take kindly to politicians preaching probity on the one hand then submitting false expenses claims or taking bungs on the other. Add a cost of living crisis to that and people do really get pissed off.
"Did have a boat many years ago when I was working in US. Too expensive, depreciate like a banana republic currency and wasn't like the sexy sales shots, just uncomfortable and too much effort. I think most people would be far better off, mentally and financially if they just come to terms with the fact that no politician or party will, in any meaningful way, make any difference to their lives. Its all down to you, unless you are happy to catch a few misely coins they may cast your way. I know I'm worth more than that and so is everyone else. The very, very, very best a government can only offer is a level playing field, the rest is up to you. Don't leave it too late to understand. Within reason say yes to everything, can't put you against the wall for trying and get the show on the road before you are around 27 years old. Every year after 30s gets harder. Never look for excuses, network but don't waste your time on drama queens, whiners and idiots as your time is just far too precious. Its a great life and non of us will get out alive, so go for it.  | |||
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"True but ‘perceived’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. At least there is some acknowledgment of perceived corruption and not “nothing to see here”. there is always something to see, the trick is seeing it for what it is
Absolutely. Difficult with this £5m gift though. At one point Nige claimed it was for “security” then he told us it had been “to say thank you for Brexit”. Now he’s telling us it’s none of our business what it’s for 😏
Seeing it for what it is goes both ways. We have touched on the seemingly trivial glasses, suits and dressing Mrs Starmer, but as I asked another, what value do you place on an access all areas pass to no10?
I have no idea. The fact is that political corruption is wrong full stop whether it’s by Starmer or Farage. Starmer and his fellow Labour politicians were rightly attacked for accepting freebies and giving business people free access to No. 10, especially when in opposition they were banging on about cleaning up politics. My issue with the Farage £5m gift is that some people, while rightly criticising Starmer, then go on to say “nothing to see here” about one of our representatives receiving a £5m gift from a foreign based crypto billionaire.
Gifts are a day to day happening whether we agree with that or not, they happen. I'm regularly taken out for meals and events on a tab by different clients, I don't do favours or turn a blind eye to a contractual issues, but I do build relationships that make doing business a little less frictionless.
If I was in a more lofty position and had friends and associates that were billionaires those freebies would stretch further than meals and good wine. Such is life.
However the point is, the transaction is at a relationship level not corruption. If Farage shows a specific biased leaning towards his crypto donors needs, the conversation will be significantly different.
I agree and have received many 'gifts' through my lifetime at work both myself and family.
I see it as a networking tool.
Could it be seen as a 'bung' to help a contractual outcome.
For me, no, but an outsider could view it as such.
Sadly, not in the £5 million league but flights, family holidays, use of villas, soft loans and more watches I can shake a stick at.
As far a Farage or any other politician is concerned, I really don't care.
I have worked in some of the most corrupt countries on the planet and £5 million pounds would be classed as chump change to some of the politicians.
If I was in a position of national power would I be corrupt.
Absolutely I would, but not to the point of effecting soverign wealth.
For me, would taking any incentives of any value off any politician mean some of that would end up in my pocket.
Think the answer is 'not a hope in hell'.
How do you know you would cease to be corrupt once you thought it was impacting on sovereign wealth. Corruption and greed take on a life of their own as witnessed throughout history and you’d be the first politician or person in history to say ‘I have enough money, the corruption ends now’. I don’t think I’d possess the ability to stop wanting more. It’s human nature.
Your probably right, so I'd just keep on grabbing what was on offer.
But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣
Stealing on a national level effecting soverign wealth I probably wouldn't be involved as I couldn't deal with the fear of being shot by those who find my actions distasteful.
I wouldn't be greedy, just a few villas dotted around the world, some weekend apartments, a Gulfstream or 2, a warehouse full of cars, several deposits of cash and bullion.
Sounds fair to me.
You had me at the Gulfstream or 2 , however a little disappointed you didn't have a sunseeker on the list
But like you and everyone else, I'm a hypocrite, what I say and what I do are two different things. 🤣
Yep me too. But like you I’m not a politician or a public official. The public expect more from elected officials however flawed they might be. One of the things that kicked off the widespread mistrust of politicians in this country was the expenses scandal in 2009. It was a turning point. People do not take kindly to politicians preaching probity on the one hand then submitting false expenses claims or taking bungs on the other. Add a cost of living crisis to that and people do really get pissed off.
Did have a boat many years ago when I was working in US. Too expensive, depreciate like a banana republic currency and wasn't like the sexy sales shots, just uncomfortable and too much effort.
I think most people would be far better off, mentally and financially if they just come to terms with the fact that no politician or party will, in any meaningful way, make any difference to their lives.
Its all down to you, unless you are happy to catch a few misely coins they may cast your way.
I know I'm worth more than that and so is everyone else.
The very, very, very best a government can only offer is a level playing field, the rest is up to you.
Don't leave it too late to understand.
Within reason say yes to everything, can't put you against the wall for trying and get the show on the road before you are around 27 years old.
Every year after 30s gets harder.
Never look for excuses, network but don't waste your time on drama queens, whiners and idiots as your time is just far too precious.
Its a great life and non of us will get out alive, so go for it. "👍✊ | |||
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"Did have a boat many years ago when I was working in US. Too expensive, depreciate like a banana republic currency and wasn't like the sexy sales shots, just uncomfortable and too much effort. I think most people would be far better off, mentally and financially if they just come to terms with the fact that no politician or party will, in any meaningful way, make any difference to their lives. Its all down to you, unless you are happy to catch a few misely coins they may cast your way. I know I'm worth more than that and so is everyone else. The very, very, very best a government can only offer is a level playing field, the rest is up to you. Don't leave it too late to understand. Within reason say yes to everything, can't put you against the wall for trying and get the show on the road before you are around 27 years old. Every year after 30s gets harder. Never look for excuses, network but don't waste your time on drama queens, whiners and idiots as your time is just far too precious. Its a great life and non of us will get out alive, so go for it. "Ladies and Gentlemen of the class of '97. Wear sunscreen..... 🎶🎵 | |||
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I've got some gold eifel tower paperweights I'm trying to smuggle them out of the country. Any ideas? My trousers jingle as I'm walking "Getting through it slowly. Started in B&Q, a pack of rubber washers for tap. Thats about it, I'm very easily pleased, hence my presence on FAB. 🤣 | |||
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