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" Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ?" Look for what connects the attacks, if anything. Which might not be simple or obvious. Then address whatever that connection is. | |||
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"2 October 2025, during the Jewish holiday a car driven into pedestrians before stabbing worshippers at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, in Manchester 23 March 2026, four Hatzola ambulances were set on fire in Golders Green North London by a front group for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Yesterday, suspected arson attack carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green, north London. Today two men stabbed in Golders Green Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ?" You forgot to add the potential terror attack targeting the Jewish community that was thwarted in Manchester https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o | |||
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"Look for what connects the attacks, if anything. Which might not be simple or obvious." Yes, Good Heavens, that's quite a conundrum. What on Earth could motivate a man to shout "Allahu Akbar" and try to murder two Jews? This is a real chin scratcher. Let's hope the self-appointed anti-racism* commissars are monitoring this thread. (That's real racism, of course, not anti-Jewish racism, which as we are continutally told is an unfortunate but completely natural reaction to events in the Middle East  ) | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world." Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world. Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. " Why are you deflecting... Is hostility and hatred towards Jewish people and Jewish symbols increasing and spreading yes or no? | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world. Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. Why are you deflecting... Is hostility and hatred towards Jewish people and Jewish symbols increasing and spreading yes or no? " We have certain groups of people literally committing violent attacks on the Jews. But you know what's worse? Farage verbally attacked a Jewish Billionaire over his political investments using words which could be construed as anti Jewish if you are willing to do some mental gymnastics. Some people are just unhinged  | |||
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" We have certain groups of people literally committing violent attacks on the Jews. But you know what's worse? Farage verbally attacked a Jewish Billionaire over his political investments... " Hang on. "Certain groups" - you of course won't name them - are carrying out "violent attacks" (murder, attempted murder, arson etc), but that pales into significance compared to some some hurty words spouted by one of the Left's favourite bogeymen. You must be joking. You really think that is worse than trying to murder people? | |||
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" We have certain groups of people literally committing violent attacks on the Jews. But you know what's worse? Farage verbally attacked a Jewish Billionaire over his political investments... Hang on. "Certain groups" - you of course won't name them - are carrying out "violent attacks" (murder, attempted murder, arson etc), but that pales into significance compared to some some hurty words spouted by one of the Left's favourite bogeymen. You must be joking. You really think that is worse than trying to murder people? " #sarcasm | |||
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" Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. " You are literally part of the problem. But, sadly, you will not even recognise it, or understand why. | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world. Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. " wiw you have managed to shiehirn farage into a thread about someine stabbing jewish people im pretty sure farage aint a member in f the religiin of peace that keeps carrying out these attacks. Was ge responsible fir the ambulances getting torched also? Your jew hate is showing | |||
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"Reported the suspect is Somalia-born UK national One similar to the 40,000 arriving annually put in hotels. How many more wannabe stabbers ? Woman r@ped this week in Plymouth by two Afghans " Somalis are a total basket case immigrant group. Statistically way more likely to be economically inactive, on benefits, in social housing etc. | |||
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"Somalis are a total basket case immigrant group. Statistically way more likely to be economically inactive, on benefits, in social housing etc. " Perhaps we could find kinder ways to understand the issues of other communities? | |||
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"Reported the suspect is Somalia-born UK national One similar to the 40,000 arriving annually put in hotels. How many more wannabe stabbers ? Woman r@ped this week in Plymouth by two Afghans Somalis are a total basket case immigrant group. Statistically way more likely to be economically inactive, on benefits, in social housing etc. " Bit harsh, they’re probably worried about the outbreak of World War Twelve | |||
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" Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. You are literally part of the problem. But, sadly, you will not even recognise it, or understand why." So why the statement "You are literally part of the problem"? Dismissing the problem as "right wing" fails to understand that antisemitism is not a partisan issue, and you are not innoculated by feeling anti-Right. Making (extraordinarily pathetic) excuses for people pulling down victim posters is dismissing the hurt that Jews have suffered. Bringing a non-sequitur about a Hannibal directive is trying to throw shade on people, as is the accusation that Israel created Hamas. By perpetuating this narrative in a (somewhat) public forum, you are looking to minimise the hurt to Jews and tacitly portray (Israel/Jews, whatever) as "bad guys", or at least "responsible". In the immediate aftermath of an attack, you are promoting a highly callous attitude to Jews. This makes you part of the problem. To further expand - there are different types of antisemitism. There's the famous Nazi style of right-wing nationalism. The "Us vs Them, White Supremacist" view that Jews (and gypsies and gays and anyone who isn't "one of us" by blood & soil and culture) are untermenschen and depraved. This is the belief that Jews are generically and culturally bad, by virtue of their birth. This is well known and mostly understood and is seen as the extreme pinnacle of antisemitism. The problem with seeing it thus is that, if you're anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, anti-supremacist, then you feel inoculated from antisemitism. This is exactly the trap that Jeremy Corbyn (we will use him as a useful prop to demonstrate some of the issues later on) and progressives like him fell into. He genuinely believes that he is not antisemitic, and could never be, because he honestly and fervently opposes the Nazi type of antisemitism; that Jews are inherently inferior by birth - a genetic (and to a lesser extent, cultural) defect. Similar to the view that Blacks and non-Aryans are inherently inferior. The problem is that there are other manifestations of racism, tribalism and bigotry, that are not based upon genetics. There is religious bigotry, cultural bigotry and ideological bigotry (to name a few). We can see on Fab that tribalism from both left and right is alive and kicking. But there's also more than left and right - we had examples of some people on the forum over the past couple of years from an Islamic background (seemingly Algerian) who was virulently misogynistic, anti-Western and very antisemitic. That was nothing to do with right/left wing. Rather, it was a religious and cultural intolerance for these groups. By attaching themselves to individuals like this, Corbyn and his ilk became non-racist supporters of bigotry. Whereas Corbyn would defend to the death (probably literally) the right of Jews to exist, he also gets tone-dead when anti-Jewish tropes overlap with some of his ideology. As an anti-capitalist socialist who believes in social Justice, he was very happy to promote an artwork that aimed to portray the exploitation of the poor by the rich. The fact that this used an arguably antisemitic style of imagery of Jewish bankers from the late 19th/early 20th century wasn't a problem for him - the focus of the issue was the bankers and the poor. It's true that Jews are overrepresented in banking and finance (and science and technology, and the arts, and business) and, together with Hindus, form the highest income religious group in the UK. So this "rich Jew" message gets compounded by historical accusations of a global elite, conspiracy theories and turns Jews into a hated "rich" class. Together with an "oppressor" narrative being promoted strongly by groups in the Middle East (Qatar, specifically), this conflates the zeitgeist of progressivism with the socially ingrained ideas of Jews controlling the world. Making them a target. Making those who target Jews feel supported and enabled. | |||
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" Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. You are literally part of the problem. But, sadly, you will not even recognise it, or understand why. So why the statement "You are literally part of the problem"? Dismissing the problem as "right wing" fails to understand that antisemitism is not a partisan issue, and you are not innoculated by feeling anti-Right. Making (extraordinarily pathetic) excuses for people pulling down victim posters is dismissing the hurt that Jews have suffered. Bringing a non-sequitur about a Hannibal directive is trying to throw shade on people, as is the accusation that Israel created Hamas. By perpetuating this narrative in a (somewhat) public forum, you are looking to minimise the hurt to Jews and tacitly portray (Israel/Jews, whatever) as "bad guys", or at least "responsible". In the immediate aftermath of an attack, you are promoting a highly callous attitude to Jews. This makes you part of the problem. To further expand - there are different types of antisemitism. There's the famous Nazi style of right-wing nationalism. The "Us vs Them, White Supremacist" view that Jews (and gypsies and gays and anyone who isn't "one of us" by blood & soil and culture) are untermenschen and depraved. This is the belief that Jews are generically and culturally bad, by virtue of their birth. This is well known and mostly understood and is seen as the extreme pinnacle of antisemitism. The problem with seeing it thus is that, if you're anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, anti-supremacist, then you feel inoculated from antisemitism. This is exactly the trap that Jeremy Corbyn (we will use him as a useful prop to demonstrate some of the issues later on) and progressives like him fell into. He genuinely believes that he is not antisemitic, and could never be, because he honestly and fervently opposes the Nazi type of antisemitism; that Jews are inherently inferior by birth - a genetic (and to a lesser extent, cultural) defect. Similar to the view that Blacks and non-Aryans are inherently inferior. The problem is that there are other manifestations of racism, tribalism and bigotry, that are not based upon genetics. There is religious bigotry, cultural bigotry and ideological bigotry (to name a few). We can see on Fab that tribalism from both left and right is alive and kicking. But there's also more than left and right - we had examples of some people on the forum over the past couple of years from an Islamic background (seemingly Algerian) who was virulently misogynistic, anti-Western and very antisemitic. That was nothing to do with right/left wing. Rather, it was a religious and cultural intolerance for these groups. By attaching themselves to individuals like this, Corbyn and his ilk became non-racist supporters of bigotry. Whereas Corbyn would defend to the death (probably literally) the right of Jews to exist, he also gets tone-dead when anti-Jewish tropes overlap with some of his ideology. As an anti-capitalist socialist who believes in social Justice, he was very happy to promote an artwork that aimed to portray the exploitation of the poor by the rich. The fact that this used an arguably antisemitic style of imagery of Jewish bankers from the late 19th/early 20th century wasn't a problem for him - the focus of the issue was the bankers and the poor. It's true that Jews are overrepresented in banking and finance (and science and technology, and the arts, and business) and, together with Hindus, form the highest income religious group in the UK. So this "rich Jew" message gets compounded by historical accusations of a global elite, conspiracy theories and turns Jews into a hated "rich" class. Together with an "oppressor" narrative being promoted strongly by groups in the Middle East (Qatar, specifically), this conflates the zeitgeist of progressivism with the socially ingrained ideas of Jews controlling the world. Making them a target. Making those who target Jews feel supported and enabled. " Don't think you left anything out! You are right,though, it is far more complex an issue and goes beyond any topical politics. | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world. Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. " Are you for real? You've managed to turn a literal terror attack against Jewish people into a post attacking Farage...give me strength. The Canary had some demented old bag spouting on with this type of tripe yesterday. Somehow she was portraying the attacker as the victim. Why is that those who proclaim to be 'anti racist', are the most vicious racists in our midst. The Greens' social media is already full of comments blaming the Jews and Mossad for the attack, as they do with every single attack against the Jewish community. It's absolutely vile. | |||
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"Reported the suspect is Somalia-born UK national One similar to the 40,000 arriving annually put in hotels. How many more wannabe stabbers ? Woman r@ped this week in Plymouth by two Afghans Somalis are a total basket case immigrant group. Statistically way more likely to be economically inactive, on benefits, in social housing etc. Bit harsh, they’re probably worried about the outbreak of World War Twelve " Well according to a high profile leftie in the US we've already had World War Eleven. I was quite worried that I'd slept through all those world wars until I realised that she didn't understand Roman numerals.
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world. Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. Are you for real? You've managed to turn a literal terror attack against Jewish people into a post attacking Farage...give me strength. The Canary had some demented old bag spouting on with this type of tripe yesterday. Somehow she was portraying the attacker as the victim. Why is that those who proclaim to be 'anti racist', are the most vicious racists in our midst. The Greens' social media is already full of comments blaming the Jews and Mossad for the attack, as they do with every single attack against the Jewish community. It's absolutely vile." Yes it is vile. | |||
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" Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. You are literally part of the problem. But, sadly, you will not even recognise it, or understand why. So why the statement "You are literally part of the problem"? Dismissing the problem as "right wing" fails to understand that antisemitism is not a partisan issue, and you are not innoculated by feeling anti-Right. Making (extraordinarily pathetic) excuses for people pulling down victim posters is dismissing the hurt that Jews have suffered. Bringing a non-sequitur about a Hannibal directive is trying to throw shade on people, as is the accusation that Israel created Hamas. By perpetuating this narrative in a (somewhat) public forum, you are looking to minimise the hurt to Jews and tacitly portray (Israel/Jews, whatever) as "bad guys", or at least "responsible". In the immediate aftermath of an attack, you are promoting a highly callous attitude to Jews. This makes you part of the problem. To further expand - there are different types of antisemitism. There's the famous Nazi style of right-wing nationalism. The "Us vs Them, White Supremacist" view that Jews (and gypsies and gays and anyone who isn't "one of us" by blood & soil and culture) are untermenschen and depraved. This is the belief that Jews are generically and culturally bad, by virtue of their birth. This is well known and mostly understood and is seen as the extreme pinnacle of antisemitism. The problem with seeing it thus is that, if you're anti-Nazi, anti-fascist, anti-supremacist, then you feel inoculated from antisemitism. This is exactly the trap that Jeremy Corbyn (we will use him as a useful prop to demonstrate some of the issues later on) and progressives like him fell into. He genuinely believes that he is not antisemitic, and could never be, because he honestly and fervently opposes the Nazi type of antisemitism; that Jews are inherently inferior by birth - a genetic (and to a lesser extent, cultural) defect. Similar to the view that Blacks and non-Aryans are inherently inferior. The problem is that there are other manifestations of racism, tribalism and bigotry, that are not based upon genetics. There is religious bigotry, cultural bigotry and ideological bigotry (to name a few). We can see on Fab that tribalism from both left and right is alive and kicking. But there's also more than left and right - we had examples of some people on the forum over the past couple of years from an Islamic background (seemingly Algerian) who was virulently misogynistic, anti-Western and very antisemitic. That was nothing to do with right/left wing. Rather, it was a religious and cultural intolerance for these groups. By attaching themselves to individuals like this, Corbyn and his ilk became non-racist supporters of bigotry. Whereas Corbyn would defend to the death (probably literally) the right of Jews to exist, he also gets tone-dead when anti-Jewish tropes overlap with some of his ideology. As an anti-capitalist socialist who believes in social Justice, he was very happy to promote an artwork that aimed to portray the exploitation of the poor by the rich. The fact that this used an arguably antisemitic style of imagery of Jewish bankers from the late 19th/early 20th century wasn't a problem for him - the focus of the issue was the bankers and the poor. It's true that Jews are overrepresented in banking and finance (and science and technology, and the arts, and business) and, together with Hindus, form the highest income religious group in the UK. So this "rich Jew" message gets compounded by historical accusations of a global elite, conspiracy theories and turns Jews into a hated "rich" class. Together with an "oppressor" narrative being promoted strongly by groups in the Middle East (Qatar, specifically), this conflates the zeitgeist of progressivism with the socially ingrained ideas of Jews controlling the world. Making them a target. Making those who target Jews feel supported and enabled. " Not blowing smoke here, but this is extremely well thought out and perfectly presented. I hope people take the time to read it properly, reflect on it, and ultimately reassess. | |||
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" You forgot to add the potential terror attack targeting the Jewish community that was thwarted in Manchester https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8gv2327y7o" And a lot more by the look of it 2 October 2025: Two Jewish people were killed and three left in a serious condition after a car ramming and stabbing attack outside a synagogue in Manchester 23 March: Four Jewish charity-owned ambulances were set on fire in the car park of a synagogue in Golders Green, north London 15 April: A brick and two bottles thought to contain petrol were thrown at the Finchley Reform Synagogue in north London 17 April: Suspicious items, later found to be non-hazardous, were found near the Israeli embassy in London. A video posted to social media claimed the embassy was going to be attacked by drones 17 April: A bag containing bottles of fluid was lit in the doorway of a building in Hendon, north-west London, that was formerly occupied by the charity Jewish Futures 18 April: A bottle containing a type of accelerant was thrown through the window of Kenton United Synagogue in north-west London 27 April: A suspected arson attack was carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green. The wall displayed tributes to protesters killed by the Iranian regime during anti-government protesters earlier this year, as well as some of those killed in the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel 29 April: Two Jewish men are stabbed in Golders Green, in an attack declared a terrorist incident by the police | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world." Its always been popular to hate jews. Its one of the things the far right and far left agree on. Catholic church also has spread hatred of jews and they dont even see it as hatred, or wrong. Both sides are now using israeli actions in gaza as a reason and it seems to be ok and accepted. | |||
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"It’s awful what has the country turned into… First the came for Jews then they came for the rest of us…
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"Somalis are a total basket case immigrant group. Statistically way more likely to be economically inactive, on benefits, in social housing etc. Perhaps we could find kinder ways to understand the issues of other communities?" Liberal nonsense wont stop the somali criminals | |||
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"It has became popular to hate Jewish people and Jewish symbolism. The simple of mind will always follow the trend, remember people going around streets pulling down posters of October 7th victims taken by Hamas to Gaza? It became a copycat thing in many major cities around the world. Bit out of touch, Jewish hate has been a mainstay of Farage attacks, especially on George Soros using anti Jewish stereotypes. Hungarys old leader and Trump have pushed that agenda. Pulling down victims posters is pointing out the genocide has eclipsed Oct 7th. Plus the Hannibal directive adds a complication and that Israel created Hamas in the first place to defeat the PLO. Are you for real? You've managed to turn a literal terror attack against Jewish people into a post attacking Farage...give me strength. The Canary had some demented old bag spouting on with this type of tripe yesterday. Somehow she was portraying the attacker as the victim. Why is that those who proclaim to be 'anti racist', are the most vicious racists in our midst. The Greens' social media is already full of comments blaming the Jews and Mossad for the attack, as they do with every single attack against the Jewish community. It's absolutely vile." | |||
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"Two Green party candidates standing in the upcoming local elections have been arrested on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred over alleged antisemitic social media posts" Zack Polanski retweeted a post that said "So essentially [Met commissioner Mark Rowley’s] officers were repeatedly and violently kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already incapacitated by taser." As usual, the far left feeling more sympathetic towards violent criminals over the real victims. Not sure why they choose this hill to die on. | |||
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"Two Green party candidates standing in the upcoming local elections have been arrested on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred over alleged antisemitic social media posts Zack Polanski retweeted a post that said "So essentially [Met commissioner Mark Rowley’s] officers were repeatedly and violently kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already incapacitated by taser." As usual, the far left feeling more sympathetic towards violent criminals over the real victims. Not sure why they choose this hill to die on." Did he forget that the man in question had just stabbed 2 completely innocent people and was looking to attack more. Looks like his mask has slipped somewhat. Seems also with the 2 arrested green candidates that there is always an excuse when it comes to attacks on the Jewish community | |||
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"Two Green party candidates standing in the upcoming local elections have been arrested on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred over alleged antisemitic social media posts Zack Polanski retweeted a post that said "So essentially [Met commissioner Mark Rowley’s] officers were repeatedly and violently kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already incapacitated by taser." As usual, the far left feeling more sympathetic towards violent criminals over the real victims. Not sure why they choose this hill to die on. Did he forget that the man in question had just stabbed 2 completely innocent people and was looking to attack more. Looks like his mask has slipped somewhat. Seems also with the 2 arrested green candidates that there is always an excuse when it comes to attacks on the Jewish community " Yeah the attacker was still holding the knife at that time. I don't know what else he expected the police to do. Maybe he thought that the police should have had peace talks with the criminal and convinced him to drop the knife, just like he wanted to talk to Putin and convince him to give up nuclear weapons? As for the masks slipping, it was bound to happen at some point. I am surprised that it took this long for the Greens to show who they really are. | |||
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" As usual, the far left feeling more sympathetic towards violent criminals over the real victims. Not sure why they choose this hill to die on." As usual, knocking the far left appears to be frequently chosen hill to die on... Oh the irony of the metaphor lovers! | |||
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" As usual, the far left feeling more sympathetic towards violent criminals over the real victims. Not sure why they choose this hill to die on. As usual, knocking the far left appears to be frequently chosen hill to die on... " I don't know of a single person who died(metaphorically) on that hill. Knocking the far left is fun  | |||
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"Without quoting anyone else, all I want to say is that I am fucking sick of it. The lies, the tropes, the conspiracy theories and the blood libels. And I am sick of the political commentators who embolden it. I grew up with Jews in a Jewish part of London (not Golders green) and 30% of my school friends were Jewish. I used to be a staunch leftist back in the day, but ever since Corbyn normalised antisemitism in Labour, I have become increasingly aware and fed up with leftist racism. I cannot vote Labour and I'm certainly not voting Greens or Your Party (or Aspire 'round here). That doesn't give the right a free pass either btw. Horseshoe Theory (that they both meet each other on the extremes) is a very real phenomenon. I'm at a place now that, it doesn't matter how long I've known someone, or how they are connected to me. If someone makes a mistake, and I correct them and they take that correction – then all well and good, but I won't be tolerating antisemitism (and that include Anti-Zionism) in my life." It surprises me that Farage appears to have so much support from parts of the Jewish Community given the things he's said in the past and brushed off from his party members. | |||
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"Without quoting anyone else, all I want to say is that I am fucking sick of it. The lies, the tropes, the conspiracy theories and the blood libels. And I am sick of the political commentators who embolden it. I grew up with Jews in a Jewish part of London (not Golders green) and 30% of my school friends were Jewish. I used to be a staunch leftist back in the day, but ever since Corbyn normalised antisemitism in Labour, I have become increasingly aware and fed up with leftist racism. I cannot vote Labour and I'm certainly not voting Greens or Your Party (or Aspire 'round here). That doesn't give the right a free pass either btw. Horseshoe Theory (that they both meet each other on the extremes) is a very real phenomenon. I'm at a place now that, it doesn't matter how long I've known someone, or how they are connected to me. If someone makes a mistake, and I correct them and they take that correction – then all well and good, but I won't be tolerating antisemitism (and that include Anti-Zionism) in my life. It surprises me that Farage appears to have so much support from parts of the Jewish Community given the things he's said in the past and brushed off from his party members. " And just to add that it doesn't surprise me that the left is unpopular given comments made from various people over recent years. | |||
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"It surprises me that Farage appears to have so much support from parts of the Jewish Community given the things he's said in the past and brushed off from his party members. " Jews are not a hive mind. 80% of Jews support the aims of Zionism – self-determination for Jews in the birthplace of their ethnicity. I'm more surprised by the 5% who do not. Both the right and the left has troubling components. But, no Jew deserves antisemitism, and that also includes the Jews I disagree with. As for political parties; a plague on all their houses. | |||
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" Jews are not a hive mind. 80% of Jews support the aims of Zionism – self-determination for Jews in the birthplace of their ethnicity. I'm more surprised by the 5% who do not. Both the right and the left has troubling components. But, no Jew deserves antisemitism, and that also includes the Jews I disagree with. As for political parties; a plague on all their houses. " I am Jewish by birth but not part of the community. I have various Jewish friends and even the practising ones don't want to be associated with Zionism and blame it for most of the current ill feeling that exists towards Jews. Many of them repeat their stance that Corbyn was anti Zionist rather than anti semitic. They all say that he didn't need to defend himself against smear campaigns. I don't particularly agree with your quoted ratio, based on the Jews I know and discuss politics with. | |||
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" I am Jewish by birth but not part of the community. I have various Jewish friends and even the practising ones don't want to be associated with Zionism and blame it for most of the current ill feeling that exists towards Jews. Many of them repeat their stance that Corbyn was anti Zionist rather than anti semitic. They all say that he didn't need to defend himself against smear campaigns. I don't particularly agree with your quoted ratio, based on the Jews I know and discuss politics with." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/28/israels-direction-poses-existential-threat-to-judaism-uks-leading-progressive-rabbis-warn You are right that there is a spectrum of voices on this topic within British Jewry. | |||
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" I am Jewish by birth but not part of the community. I have various Jewish friends and even the practising ones don't want to be associated with Zionism and blame it for most of the current ill feeling that exists towards Jews. Many of them repeat their stance that Corbyn was anti Zionist rather than anti semitic. They all say that he didn't need to defend himself against smear campaigns. I don't particularly agree with your quoted ratio, based on the Jews I know and discuss politics with. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/28/israels-direction-poses-existential-threat-to-judaism-uks-leading-progressive-rabbis-warn You are right that there is a spectrum of voices on this topic within British Jewry." There isn't a clear definition of Zionism to begin with. There are people who align with the idea of Zionism (based on their own definition) while not agreeing with Israel's actions. | |||
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"...Jewish friends and even the practising ones don't want to be associated with Zionism and blame it for most of the current ill feeling that exists towards Jews." There is, perhaps, another less simple way of looking at the impact of Israel's recent military actions (Zionism is an especially poor term to use here) as well as other violence committed by people within Israel. Russian and Chinese individuals living abroad, or who have not been in Russia or China for generations, are not held accountable for the actions of those governments or cultures in and around their countries (Ukraine, Georgia, Tibet, Taiwan). Nobody started violently attacking diaspora Muslims in Western countries for acts within their countries (Yemen, Syria, Iran, Sudan). Let's say for the sake of argument that Israel's actions triggered the recent antisemitic attacks. There was already a unique potential violence that was waiting to be unleashed. Be it from fascist bigotry, religious zeal or The Protocols of The Elders of Zion. There had always been an excuse, in every decade over the past two thousand years, to unleash that beast. "They're white colonialists", "they're not white and not European", "they killed Jesus", "they refuse to acknowledge Mohammed", "they're rich", "they're dirty scum", "they use Christian children's blood", - there's always an excuse, and it always fits neatly within the zeitgeist. Being 0.2% of the population (0.5% UK), it's stunning how disproportionately Jews are targeted (higher per capita than any other religious group). The levels of killing and death in Sudan, Syria and Yemen are so ridiculously high in comparison to other conflicts, yet it's received wisdom that the actions of Israel are to blame for antisemitic violence in the UK. Even if Israel's actions are wrong, they're the final squeeze of the trigger, not the loaded gun and itchy trigger finger. This is not to defend the actions of Israel or the violent thugs in the West Bank - that's the ref herring in all of this. But simply wishing that if Israel acted differently, then antisemitism would disappear, is simplistic head-burying in the sand. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties " And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. " Which YouGov poll says that the left are less antisemitic than conservative or reform voters? Can you share the link? | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. Which YouGov poll says that the left are less antisemitic than conservative or reform voters? Can you share the link?" I suspect the link won't make it through this forum, but if you search for this document "YouGov / Campaign Against Antisemitism Survey Results Sample Size: 2245 GB Adults Fieldwork: 1st - 2nd September 2025" you'll find it. There are a number of statements in the poll, some about attitudes to Jewish people, and some about attitudes to Israel and Zionism. The report then breaks out the responses to these statements by various demographics, including by how people voted in the last GE. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this." So do you think they attacks in golfers green over the last few weeks are far right nutters? lol talk about clutching at straws | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this.So do you think they attacks in golfers green over the last few weeks are far right nutters? lol talk about clutching at straws " Did I say that? Talk about putting words into people's mouths. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this." So how should “good Jews” behave in the UK if they don’t want to get randomly knifed at bus stops? Sounds to me like you think they are asking for it. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this." Many millions of people believe Iran is doing to its own people is wrong, massacre in tons of thousands of them just for protesting, they kill far more of their own people than America and Israel combined. Yeah, the antisemite left largely stay silent on this. As it’s been said before on here by someone else, the left is not defined by who it supports it is more clearly defined by who it hates | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this. So how should “good Jews” behave in the UK if they don’t want to get randomly knifed at bus stops? Sounds to me like you think they are asking for it." Again, people putting words into people's mouths. What I said is that there are people who believe (and this is supported by most humanitarian organisations in the world) that what Israel is doing is wrong. Then there are Jewish people in this country strongly supporting the actions of Israel. It is therefore not surprising that there is an increase in antisemitism. At no point did I suggest that British Jews deserve to be targeted, or that it's their fault. But that there are inevitably going to be some racists that will assign blame to this community and take (the wrong) actions. In much the same way as when there is an Islamist terrorist action, or a muslim does something wrong, that you get racists doing much the same. The difference you could possibly argue is that generally the media support the latter and oppose the former... | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this. So how should “good Jews” behave in the UK if they don’t want to get randomly knifed at bus stops? Sounds to me like you think they are asking for it. Again, people putting words into people's mouths. What I said is that there are people who believe (and this is supported by most humanitarian organisations in the world) that what Israel is doing is wrong. Then there are Jewish people in this country strongly supporting the actions of Israel. It is therefore not surprising that there is an increase in antisemitism. At no point did I suggest that British Jews deserve to be targeted, or that it's their fault. But that there are inevitably going to be some racists that will assign blame to this community and take (the wrong) actions. In much the same way as when there is an Islamist terrorist action, or a muslim does something wrong, that you get racists doing much the same. The difference you could possibly argue is that generally the media support the latter and oppose the former... " When was the last Jewish terror attack in Britain? I think I must have missed that one. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this. So how should “good Jews” behave in the UK if they don’t want to get randomly knifed at bus stops? Sounds to me like you think they are asking for it. Again, people putting words into people's mouths. What I said is that there are people who believe (and this is supported by most humanitarian organisations in the world) that what Israel is doing is wrong. Then there are Jewish people in this country strongly supporting the actions of Israel. It is therefore not surprising that there is an increase in antisemitism. At no point did I suggest that British Jews deserve to be targeted, or that it's their fault. But that there are inevitably going to be some racists that will assign blame to this community and take (the wrong) actions. In much the same way as when there is an Islamist terrorist action, or a muslim does something wrong, that you get racists doing much the same. The difference you could possibly argue is that generally the media support the latter and oppose the former... When was the last Jewish terror attack in Britain? I think I must have missed that one. " Intentionally missing the point of an argument is not a good approach. But I guess we could talk about the British (ex services) aid workers targeted and killed by an Israeli strike last year. Or the British citizens recently illegally seized in international waters by Israel. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this. So how should “good Jews” behave in the UK if they don’t want to get randomly knifed at bus stops? Sounds to me like you think they are asking for it. Again, people putting words into people's mouths. What I said is that there are people who believe (and this is supported by most humanitarian organisations in the world) that what Israel is doing is wrong. Then there are Jewish people in this country strongly supporting the actions of Israel. It is therefore not surprising that there is an increase in antisemitism. At no point did I suggest that British Jews deserve to be targeted, or that it's their fault. But that there are inevitably going to be some racists that will assign blame to this community and take (the wrong) actions. In much the same way as when there is an Islamist terrorist action, or a muslim does something wrong, that you get racists doing much the same. The difference you could possibly argue is that generally the media support the latter and oppose the former... When was the last Jewish terror attack in Britain? I think I must have missed that one. Intentionally missing the point of an argument is not a good approach. But I guess we could talk about the British (ex services) aid workers targeted and killed by an Israeli strike last year. Or the British citizens recently illegally seized in international waters by Israel. " So basically none then. | |||
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" As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic." Nobody was saying this. You've brought it into this thread as a straw man. " It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). " Now you're connecting Israel and Jews... Fair enough. But we're clear that conflating *criticism* of Israel and Jews shouldn't happen, right? " British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. " Now you're connecting British Jews with the Israeli army and war crimes... The conflation is complete! Then we just need to expand that or to all Jews in Britain... " Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action." And bingo, you've demonstrated how being anti Israel results in antisemitic acts. Nutters only. (Unfortunately, of course - our thoughts and prayers are with the victims) " I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this." And it's British Jews' fault, to boot (at least partially). And you probably "condemn violence and antisemitism (and racism in all its forms, and Islamaphobia)"? You're 100% right that criticism of Israel is legitimate and is not necessarily antisemitism. One can also criticise the religious practices of Jews, the behaviour of individual Jewish people, etc. without necessarily being antisemitic. But it's a bit like a parent with two children, one whom they always criticise for doing the wrong thing. It's normal and right for a parent to sometimes criticise a child. When one gets it more than the other, it's a symptom of bias, not the problem itself, and it would also explain why the other child feels emboldened to bully the criticised one. Individual criticisms of Israel and Jews/Judaism are, in isolation, perfectly fine. It's when you see the proportion of criticism that you understand that it's coming from a starting position of bigotry, and begin to understand why there's a disproportionate amount of violence (bullying) against Jews. You even made the link yourself, above. Nobody is bombing Chinese restaurants, or indeed the many Chinese interests and business affiliates in the UK as a result of Uighur murder and repression - not a hint of it. There are almost twice as many Chinese in the UK as Jews. Nobody even cares to find out if any are party members or committed crimes in China - because people simply don't have the hatred or motivation that drives the fanatical fascination with anything any Jews ever do wrong. To justify (nutters, was it?) doing something terrible. | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. Which YouGov poll says that the left are less antisemitic than conservative or reform voters? Can you share the link? I suspect the link won't make it through this forum, but if you search for this document "YouGov / Campaign Against Antisemitism Survey Results Sample Size: 2245 GB Adults Fieldwork: 1st - 2nd September 2025" you'll find it. There are a number of statements in the poll, some about attitudes to Jewish people, and some about attitudes to Israel and Zionism. The report then breaks out the responses to these statements by various demographics, including by how people voted in the last GE. " This is what I found: ***** 10% of Reform voters do not believe Jewish people are just as loyal to Britain as other British people, and 24% of them – almost a quarter – believe that Jewish people chase money more than other people do. These are higher figures than for voters of any other major party. By contrast, only 7% of Reform voters say that they disagree that they would be comfortable spending time with people who openly support Israel – the lowest figure for all party voters. This compares very favourably to a remarkable one third (33%) of Labour voters who say that they are uncomfortable spending time with people who openly support Israel, and a majority (54%) of Green Party voters. 29% of the British public believe that Israel and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy, up significantly from 22% last year. 54% of Green Party voters and 32% of Londoners believe this. Conversely, the percentage of the overall population disagreeing that Israel and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy has fallen from 30% to 23%. Among Green Party voters, 15% believe that the Hamas attack on Israel on 7th October 2023 was justified, higher than any other major party’s voters. 29% of Labour voters believe that Israel can get away with anything because its supporters control the media. Put differently, nearly one third of voters for the governing party believe that the Jewish state’s supporters control the media and therefore evade accountability. ******* How exactly did you reach the conclusion that "the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters"? | |||
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"Sorry for the violence, the attacks, the victims, and some of the racist, ultraright comments on here. think you will find the only ones blaming jews on here are the lefties And yet, when you look at YouGov polls, across a number of years, the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters. Which YouGov poll says that the left are less antisemitic than conservative or reform voters? Can you share the link? I suspect the link won't make it through this forum, but if you search for this document "YouGov / Campaign Against Antisemitism Survey Results Sample Size: 2245 GB Adults Fieldwork: 1st - 2nd September 2025" you'll find it. There are a number of statements in the poll, some about attitudes to Jewish people, and some about attitudes to Israel and Zionism. The report then breaks out the responses to these statements by various demographics, including by how people voted in the last GE. This is what I found: ***** 10% of Reform voters do not believe Jewish people are just as loyal to Britain as other British people, and 24% of them – almost a quarter – believe that Jewish people chase money more than other people do. These are higher figures than for voters of any other major party. By contrast, only 7% of Reform voters say that they disagree that they would be comfortable spending time with people who openly support Israel – the lowest figure for all party voters. This compares very favourably to a remarkable one third (33%) of Labour voters who say that they are uncomfortable spending time with people who openly support Israel, and a majority (54%) of Green Party voters. 29% of the British public believe that Israel and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy, up significantly from 22% last year. 54% of Green Party voters and 32% of Londoners believe this. Conversely, the percentage of the overall population disagreeing that Israel and its supporters are a bad influence on our democracy has fallen from 30% to 23%. Among Green Party voters, 15% believe that the Hamas attack on Israel on 7th October 2023 was justified, higher than any other major party’s voters. 29% of Labour voters believe that Israel can get away with anything because its supporters control the media. Put differently, nearly one third of voters for the governing party believe that the Jewish state’s supporters control the media and therefore evade accountability. ******* How exactly did you reach the conclusion that "the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters"? " Antisemitism = thinking/believing something about someone because of them being Jewish. eg that they are less loyal to Britain, or that they chase money. Not wanting to spend time with Zionists, or believing that Israel has an undue influence on our democracy, look at all the Friends of Israel groups within our political parties and the donations they receive (there is nothing similar for any other country in our parliament), does not equate to antisemitism. Conflating Jews and Israel is antisemitism according to the IHRA definition just to help you out on the difference between the statements and who agrees with them. | |||
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" How exactly did you reach the conclusion that "the left are generally less antisemitic in their views than Conservative or Reform voters"? Antisemitism = thinking/believing something about someone because of them being Jewish. eg that they are less loyal to Britain, or that they chase money. Not wanting to spend time with Zionists, or believing that Israel has an undue influence on our democracy, look at all the Friends of Israel groups within our political parties and the donations they receive (there is nothing similar for any other country in our parliament), does not equate to antisemitism. Conflating Jews and Israel is antisemitism according to the IHRA definition just to help you out on the difference between the statements and who agrees with them. " "Among Green Party voters, 15% believe that the Hamas attack on Israel on 7th October 2023 was justified, higher than any other major party’s voters." Are you saying that the ones who think the Hamas terrorists are justified aren't anti-semitic? Also "29% of Labour voters believe that Israel can get away with anything because its supporters control the media." The Jews controlling media is a common anti-semitic trope. The left usually likes to play around with words to pretend like they aren't as bad as their proposed policies imply they are. But this one is pretty clear. They use Anti-Semitic tropes and just replace the word "Jews" with "Israel and their supporters". | |||
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" As has been stated so many times, and yet the conflation still continues, criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. Nobody was saying this. You've brought it into this thread as a straw man. It is Israel and it's supporters that connect Jews, around the world, with the state of Israel (even when very many Jewish people are not supportive of Israel). Now you're connecting Israel and Jews... Fair enough. But we're clear that conflating *criticism* of Israel and Jews shouldn't happen, right? British people serving in the IDF, committing war crimes, then returning back to normal lives in the UK. Or synagogues collecting money for the IDF or settler groups, I am afraid that this is going to inflame the situation in the UK. Now you're connecting British Jews with the Israeli army and war crimes... The conflation is complete! Then we just need to expand that or to all Jews in Britain... Many millions of people believe what Israel is doing to be wrong. Amongst that number there will be nutters, and they will see the above and wish to take action. And bingo, you've demonstrated how being anti Israel results in antisemitic acts. Nutters only. (Unfortunately, of course - our thoughts and prayers are with the victims) I'm not defending them, they are wrong to do so. But to say that the Jewish community in the UK is not partially responsible for this rise in incidents is denying reality. You only have to read some of the statements put out by the BoDs etc. to see this. And it's British Jews' fault, to boot (at least partially). And you probably "condemn violence and antisemitism (and racism in all its forms, and Islamaphobia)"? You're 100% right that criticism of Israel is legitimate and is not necessarily antisemitism. One can also criticise the religious practices of Jews, the behaviour of individual Jewish people, etc. without necessarily being antisemitic. But it's a bit like a parent with two children, one whom they always criticise for doing the wrong thing. It's normal and right for a parent to sometimes criticise a child. When one gets it more than the other, it's a symptom of bias, not the problem itself, and it would also explain why the other child feels emboldened to bully the criticised one. Individual criticisms of Israel and Jews/Judaism are, in isolation, perfectly fine. It's when you see the proportion of criticism that you understand that it's coming from a starting position of bigotry, and begin to understand why there's a disproportionate amount of violence (bullying) against Jews. You even made the link yourself, above. Nobody is bombing Chinese restaurants, or indeed the many Chinese interests and business affiliates in the UK as a result of Uighur murder and repression - not a hint of it. There are almost twice as many Chinese in the UK as Jews. Nobody even cares to find out if any are party members or committed crimes in China - because people simply don't have the hatred or motivation that drives the fanatical fascination with anything any Jews ever do wrong. To justify (nutters, was it?) doing something terrible." There's a lot in there, but I think you're main point is why do people feel the need to pick on British Jews and not British people of Chinese heritage (for example). I think the answer is likely to be that a large majority of British Jews appear to support the actions of Israel, even where they are shown to be illegal and potentially genocidal. When you add to the mix that our government is materially supporting Israel's actions (in a way we are not doing in the Chinese case) it makes it more relevant. When you also connect that antisemitism has always been a very troublesome aspect of racism/bigotry (arguably one of the first) due to the christian churches historical stance etc. and also that the Jewish community was very much one of the primary targets of far right groups, some of their leadership may have changed this stance, but I don't believe the individual members have (at least not really). Add the fact that in the middle east this is very much a Jew vs Muslim issue (obviously put very simply, there's much more nuance than that). It all adds up to large numbers of people (rightly or wrongly, it almost doesn't matter) feeling aggrieved with the Jewish community. Which inevitably means that there will be people on the edges of these groups willing to take things into their own hands. I don't think anyone in this thread would support or defend that. But it's inarguably the case. You point out I'm conflating British Jews and Israel in my remarks. What I was pointing out is how some Jewish people, and especially Israelis themselves make that connection. It is pretty certain then that if the BoDs is willing to make statements doing so that their enemies will do so also. | |||
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" It all adds up to large numbers of people (rightly or wrongly, it almost doesn't matter) feeling aggrieved with the Jewish community. " Why do you think it doesn't matter? If someone in the UK attacks random British Muslims because of what the Saudi royals or the Iranian government did, would you still say that right or wrong doesn't matter? | |||
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" It all adds up to large numbers of people (rightly or wrongly, it almost doesn't matter) feeling aggrieved with the Jewish community. Why do you think it doesn't matter? If someone in the UK attacks random British Muslims because of what the Saudi royals or the Iranian government did, would you still say that right or wrong doesn't matter? " Of course it doesn't matter whether they are right or wrong to hold that opinion. In reality the fact they hold that opinion or not, is not the issue. They are probably legally entitled to that opinion (or it could certainly be framed that way). In the same way you are legally entitled to hold homophobic views for example (for instance if you have religious beliefs). The issue is that they choose to act on that opinion, in an illegal way, using violence. Basically anyone can think what they like, and we will all have different opinions on whether they are right, wrong, justified, whatever. However, as soon as they act on those opinions in an illegal manner, then they deserve to answer in our justice system. | |||
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"I am Jewish by birth but not part of the community. I have various Jewish friends and even the practising ones don't want to be associated with Zionism and blame it for most of the current ill feeling that exists towards Jews. Many of them repeat their stance that Corbyn was anti Zionist rather than anti semitic. They all say that he didn't need to defend himself against smear campaigns. I don't particularly agree with your quoted ratio, based on the Jews I know and discuss politics with." I'm citing a poll conducted by the Campaign Against Antisemitism, that found 80% of British Jews to support Zionism, with only 5% against. The remaining 15%, I imagine would be a "don't know" or ambivalent. A more recent poll said that 95% of Jews had been personally affected by events in Israel – although that does seem a little vague. The majority of Jews I know would consider themselves to be Zionist. I stand by the belief that anti-Zionism is antisemitism, because it calls for the dismantling of Israel, thus leaving 7 million Jews either stateless, or at the mercy of an alternative (probably Islamic) regime. | |||
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"There isn't a clear definition of Zionism to begin with. There are people who align with the idea of Zionism (based on their own definition) while not agreeing with Israel's actions." In 1897, the definition of Zionism was given as the following: “Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law.” Palestine, at the time, being a small region ruled by the Ottoman Empire, not a nation state, not a sovereign entity, and sparsely populated (but not empty). It also included parts of what are now Syria, Lebanon and Jordan. Nowadays it means protecting and keeping the state – i.e. self-determination for Jews in the Jewish homeland; the birthplace of their ethnicity and culture. I cannot see how it can mean anything else – and the only way that anti-Zionism can be morally consistent, is by calling for the dismantling of every other nation state. | |||
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" ...I think you're main point is why do people feel the need to pick on British Jews and not British people of Chinese heritage (for example). " The main point was that criticism is OK, but disproportionate criticism signals an underlying bias, distinct from the object of the criticism. Take black people, who are twice as likely to be arrested as white people in the UK. Now imagine someone banging on about how Blacks are a problem. There are two issues - one is the focus that person has on black people - probably inherent racism. The second is the "fact" (and it is a fact) that blacks are arrested more, itself. Perhaps blacks are more likely to be targeted by the police, or less likely to be cautioned and let off. Perhaps blacks do actually commit more crimes, but there are underlying injustices that make it so. Or perhaps some are just inherently criminal because they come from lawless places. The point is, both the "fact" of arrest proportions and the promulgation of blacks as criminals might come from racist places. That's not to say that a policeman should not arrest a black murderer, or that it's forbidden to ever refer to the statistic that blacks are arrested about twice as much as white people. Just as it's not forbidden to point out that Jeffrey Epstein was Jewish, or that some Israeli West Bank settlers are thieving murderers. But doing it repeatedly and promoting this message disproportionately demonstrates an underlying evil. " I think the answer is likely to be that a large majority of British Jews appear to support the actions of Israel, even where they are shown to be illegal and potentially genocidal. " This is an odd statement. While it may be true that Jews in the UK support the right of Israel to exist, it is certainly not clear that Jews support genocide. Now, you say "the actions of Israel". You also mentioned "serving in the IDF". Firstly, the IDF is a state army, not based upon any political or religious ideology. It is not designated a terrorist organisation. You might disagree with the political echelon or some individual actions, but you refer to it as if it is self-evident that being involved with the IDF is a bad thing. If the IDF did not exist, there would be no Israel. Secondly, there is no law against serving in the IDF. Where war crimes are committed, then by all means, arrest those individuals. But that's no excuse for violence against unrelated Jews. Moreover, when it comes to SUPPORT for a country - that should be protected freedom of speech, unless it's in support of a proscribed organisation. Whereas there are specific Jewish proscribed organisations, very few British Jews are likely to be vocal in their support for these. If you look at actual, clear-cut crimes being committed, you will not find support. If you look at subjective issues, like proportion of casualties in war, you will find very different opinions within British Jewry to the majority of Brits. That's because the lens is completely different, especially where relatives are concerned (and may British Jews have relatives in Israel). What some might see as a war of choice, they might see as a war of necessity. This should be an acceptable difference of opinion in Britain - just as people should have the right to cry "genocide", they should have the right to cry "tragic collateral damage". There are many who support the right of Israel to exist, but do not endorse genocide. But it seems that there is nowhere for this opinion, especially in your books. Since you say "that a large majority of British Jews appear to support the actions of Israel, even where they are shown to be illegal and potentially genocidal." You jump too easily from Jew to Zionist to Genocide supporter. It's a problem. And this thinking fuels the fire. | |||
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"Have you not heard of Jewish Autonomous Oblast?" The Jewish population is under 900. It is not classed as a nation state, a sovereign state or an independent country, and it does not have a Jewish majority population. | |||
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" Do not get me wrong. I am not antisemitic. I just wonder why the occupants of Golders Green are worth so much of our news time? Perhaps they they have a very powerful lobby. " Not antisemitic but repeating the 'very powerful lobby' trope. 🤔 The CAA has been literally begging for the government to take the rise in antisemitism seriously, ever since Jeremy Corbyn took over Labour ten years ago – and honestly, it's mostly been crickets. The reason this is getting attention now, is because they are a succession of specific hate-motivated attacks against an established ethnic group. As tragic as other violent incidents are, this isn't the same as an isolated robbery by some deranged hoodrat with a crack habit. | |||
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"There were two attempted knife attacks in Golders Green. No one was seriously injured except perhaps the assailant who was kicked in the head by the police whilst he was lying on the ground after being tasered. Consider, on average, there are 5 knife attacks every day in Birmingham. You do not get the BBC and ITV leading with those attacks as headline news 3 days in a row when a black guy, muslim, hindu or even a poor white guy is stabbed. Do not get me wrong. I am not antisemitic. I just wonder why the occupants of Golders Green are worth so much of our news time? Perhaps they they have a very powerful lobby. I hope the police are not diverted from other areas to the detriment of general policing. 🤔" he was kicked in the hwad because he still had hold of the knife and wouldnt drop it he wasnt laying in the floor doing nothing, and um guessing its getting so much air time because they were arracked because they were visibly jewish in an area that has had quiet a few anti semitic attacks iver the last few weeks all within a few steets from each other so nothing like some shit bag in birmingham stabbing another shit bag on ver money or disrespect | |||
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" Do not get me wrong. I am not antisemitic. I just wonder why the occupants of Golders Green are worth so much of our news time? Perhaps they they have a very powerful lobby. Not antisemitic but repeating the 'very powerful lobby' trope. 🤔 The CAA has been literally begging for the government to take the rise in antisemitism seriously, ever since Jeremy Corbyn took over Labour ten years ago – and honestly, it's mostly been crickets. The reason this is getting attention now, is because they are a succession of specific hate-motivated attacks against an established ethnic group. As tragic as other violent incidents are, this isn't the same as an isolated robbery by some deranged hoodrat with a crack habit. " Are you suggesting that the Jews, as represented by the CAA and JVL, are not a powerful lobbying group vis a vis the size of the Jewish population in Britain at 300,000 or 0.43% of the population? My point was the apparent overkill of News reports on what elsewhere would be considered a routine, almost non-event, displays considerable influence. I do however recognise the recent increase in apparent antisemitic activity which I personally deplore. I believe people should be allowed to live in peace and safety even if they do not hold the same views and values as you. I don't see this as the residual influence of a party leader who came to power a decade ago on the back of an ill considered attempt to increase the Labour party membership. I personally attribute this more to the actions of the Jewish homeland (Israel) which has been regularly conflated with the Jewish religion by the CAA. Israel has, whatever their perceived justification, for the past two and a half years, treated upwards of 101 million Muslims and others in Gaza, Iran and Lebanon as legitimate military targets. The anger and frustration felt by their supporters and non-aligned sympathisers in the UK will inevitably overflow into perceived antisemitism. I trust an end to the wars will eventually herald a balancing of opinion. After all, we don't hate the Germans as a nation any more. | |||
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" Do not get me wrong. I am not antisemitic. I just wonder why the occupants of Golders Green are worth so much of our news time? Perhaps they they have a very powerful lobby. Not antisemitic but repeating the 'very powerful lobby' trope. 🤔 The CAA has been literally begging for the government to take the rise in antisemitism seriously, ever since Jeremy Corbyn took over Labour ten years ago – and honestly, it's mostly been crickets. The reason this is getting attention now, is because they are a succession of specific hate-motivated attacks against an established ethnic group. As tragic as other violent incidents are, this isn't the same as an isolated robbery by some deranged hoodrat with a crack habit. Are you suggesting that the Jews, as represented by the CAA and JVL, are not a powerful lobbying group vis a vis the size of the Jewish population in Britain at 300,000 or 0.43% of the population? My point was the apparent overkill of News reports on what elsewhere would be considered a routine, almost non-event, displays considerable influence. I do however recognise the recent increase in apparent antisemitic activity which I personally deplore. I believe people should be allowed to live in peace and safety even if they do not hold the same views and values as you. I don't see this as the residual influence of a party leader who came to power a decade ago on the back of an ill considered attempt to increase the Labour party membership. I personally attribute this more to the actions of the Jewish homeland (Israel) which has been regularly conflated with the Jewish religion by the CAA. Israel has, whatever their perceived justification, for the past two and a half years, treated upwards of 101 million Muslims and others in Gaza, Iran and Lebanon as legitimate military targets. The anger and frustration felt by their supporters and non-aligned sympathisers in the UK will inevitably overflow into perceived antisemitism. I trust an end to the wars will eventually herald a balancing of opinion. After all, we don't hate the Germans as a nation any more. " I wasn’t aware that the UK is at war with Israel. It’s an interesting question you raise though as to why so much media and political attention is given to particular topics. After all there are currently wars and conflicts going on in Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, Congo, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Syria etc etc. Yet we hear little if nothing of any of these and it’s only the one that involves Israel that seems to animate the British Left and Islamist extremists in the UK. | |||
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" Are you suggesting that the Jews, as represented by the CAA and JVL, are not a powerful lobbying group vis a vis the size of the Jewish population in Britain at 300,000 or 0.43% of the population? " I would argue that they hold very little power. " I personally attribute this more to the actions of the Jewish homeland (Israel) which has been regularly conflated with the Jewish religion by the CAA. " Israel is the Jewish homeland of the Jewish ethnic group, and people do not need to be religious to be Jewish. It is literally where Jews were from. It's not conflated at all. It's integral to Jewish identity There was a time in history when Jews were consider more of a race than a religion. Judaism's redefinition as primarily a "religion" largely happened during the 19th-century European Enlightenment. As Jews were slowly granted citizenship, governments started to view Judaism as a faith more than a distinct ethnicity. | |||
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"Reported the suspect is Somalia-born UK national One similar to the 40,000 arriving annually put in hotels. How many more wannabe stabbers ? Woman r@ped this week in Plymouth by two Afghans " If he's a UK National, he's not similar to people arriving in boats, is he? There are about 75,000 reported r@pes in the UK every year, all horrendous, all committed by men (81% committed by white men), but you want to specifically focus on the one committed by Afghan men. Why is that? The people who bang on about "protecting our women and children" are very vocal when the accused are brown but very silent when the accused are white. Is there a reason why Tommy Ten Names didn't park himself outside Liverpool Crown Court last month when six white British men were convicted of r@ping girls who were 13 to 15 years old? Don't try to mask racism by pretending it's about women's safety. | |||
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"Reported the suspect is Somalia-born UK national One similar to the 40,000 arriving annually put in hotels. How many more wannabe stabbers ? Woman r@ped this week in Plymouth by two Afghans If he's a UK National, he's not similar to people arriving in boats, is he? There are about 75,000 reported r@pes in the UK every year, all horrendous, all committed by men (81% committed by white men), but you want to specifically focus on the one committed by Afghan men. Why is that? The people who bang on about "protecting our women and children" are very vocal when the accused are brown but very silent when the accused are white. Is there a reason why Tommy Ten Names didn't park himself outside Liverpool Crown Court last month when six white British men were convicted of r@ping girls who were 13 to 15 years old? Don't try to mask racism by pretending it's about women's safety." i imagine he wasnt outside the court in liverpool as he has been in america the last 3 or 4 weeks | |||
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"There were two attempted knife attacks in Golders Green. No one was seriously injured except perhaps the assailant who was kicked in the head by the police whilst he was lying on the ground after being tasered. Consider, on average, there are 5 knife attacks every day in Birmingham. You do not get the BBC and ITV leading with those attacks as headline news 3 days in a row when a black guy, muslim, hindu or even a poor white guy is stabbed. Do not get me wrong. I am not antisemitic. I just wonder why the occupants of Golders Green are worth so much of our news time? Perhaps they they have a very powerful lobby. I hope the police are not diverted from other areas to the detriment of general policing. 🤔" Most knife attacks you mentioned are between gangs. There is a bigger news coverage when random innocent people get killed. And the police did the right thing taking down the killer and hitting him until he dropped the knife. People like you and Zack Polanski deserve all the mockery you receive for criticising the police here. | |||
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"There were two attempted knife attacks in Golders Green. No one was seriously injured except perhaps the assailant who was kicked in the head by the police whilst he was lying on the ground after being tasered. I'm not convinced you understand the issue or your own bias." Oh they very well understand themselves. They just assume that even after they make a post like this, other people won't understand their minds. | |||
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"A lot of media cover over this , and Starmer plus the police commissioner visiting the area , Nothing in the news about the grooming gangs and migrants r@ping young English women " This was on the BBC the other day https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g4x2zyer2o He came here claiming he needed our help and very shortly after attacked a 12 year old girl. He has also admitted that prior to that he attacked a 13 year old girl. Just been sentenced to 16 years | |||
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" Do not get me wrong. I am not antisemitic. I just wonder why the occupants of Golders Green are worth so much of our news time? Perhaps they they have a very powerful lobby. Not antisemitic but repeating the 'very powerful lobby' trope. 🤔 The CAA has been literally begging for the government to take the rise in antisemitism seriously, ever since Jeremy Corbyn took over Labour ten years ago – and honestly, it's mostly been crickets. The reason this is getting attention now, is because they are a succession of specific hate-motivated attacks against an established ethnic group. As tragic as other violent incidents are, this isn't the same as an isolated robbery by some deranged hoodrat with a crack habit. Are you suggesting that the Jews, as represented by the CAA and JVL, are not a powerful lobbying group vis a vis the size of the Jewish population in Britain at 300,000 or 0.43% of the population? My point was the apparent overkill of News reports on what elsewhere would be considered a routine, almost non-event, displays considerable influence. I do however recognise the recent increase in apparent antisemitic activity which I personally deplore. I believe people should be allowed to live in peace and safety even if they do not hold the same views and values as you. I don't see this as the residual influence of a party leader who came to power a decade ago on the back of an ill considered attempt to increase the Labour party membership. I personally attribute this more to the actions of the Jewish homeland (Israel) which has been regularly conflated with the Jewish religion by the CAA. Israel has, whatever their perceived justification, for the past two and a half years, treated upwards of 101 million Muslims and others in Gaza, Iran and Lebanon as legitimate military targets. The anger and frustration felt by their supporters and non-aligned sympathisers in the UK will inevitably overflow into perceived antisemitism. I trust an end to the wars will eventually herald a balancing of opinion. After all, we don't hate the Germans as a nation any more. I wasn’t aware that the UK is at war with Israel. It’s an interesting question you raise though as to why so much media and political attention is given to particular topics. After all there are currently wars and conflicts going on in Ukraine, Myanmar, Sudan, Congo, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, Nigeria, Somalia, Yemen, Syria etc etc. Yet we hear little if nothing of any of these and it’s only the one that involves Israel that seems to animate the British Left and Islamist extremists in the UK. " .... British left and RIGHT ...  | |||
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" Are you suggesting that the Jews, as represented by the CAA and JVL, are not a powerful lobbying group vis a vis the size of the Jewish population in Britain at 300,000 or 0.43% of the population? I would argue that they hold very little power. I personally attribute this more to the actions of the Jewish homeland (Israel) which has been regularly conflated with the Jewish religion by the CAA. Israel is the Jewish homeland of the Jewish ethnic group, and people do not need to be religious to be Jewish. It is literally where Jews were from. It's not conflated at all. It's integral to Jewish identity There was a time in history when Jews were consider more of a race than a religion. Judaism's redefinition as primarily a "religion" largely happened during the 19th-century European Enlightenment. As Jews were slowly granted citizenship, governments started to view Judaism as a faith more than a distinct ethnicity." So do you view criticism of Israel's actions as Antisemitic? | |||
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"There were two attempted knife attacks in Golders Green. No one was seriously injured except perhaps the assailant who was kicked in the head by the police whilst he was lying on the ground after being tasered. I'm not convinced you understand the issue or your own bias." What is there to misunderstand? The video of the takedown of the assailant was shown on early news broadcasts before being taken down "because it might offend the audiences" The whole thing can be seen on the Guardian's post on YouTube. [man arrested after stabbing two Jewish people in Golders Green] Let me know if you miss the part where two uniformed police officers kick the assailant in the head. It may have been necessary and it may be police procedure. It may not. It did occur. No bias. | |||
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"There were two attempted knife attacks in Golders Green. No one was seriously injured except perhaps the assailant who was kicked in the head by the police whilst he was lying on the ground after being tasered. I'm not convinced you understand the issue or your own bias. What is there to misunderstand? The video of the takedown of the assailant was shown on early news broadcasts before being taken down "because it might offend the audiences" The whole thing can be seen on the Guardian's post on YouTube. [man arrested after stabbing two Jewish people in Golders Green] Let me know if you miss the part where two uniformed police officers kick the assailant in the head. It may have been necessary and it may be police procedure. It may not. It did occur. No bias. " Two people were stabbed and he was still holding the knife. The police kicked him until he dropped the knife. It's funny how some people care a lot about criminals in these cases. In many other countries, even in the UK sometimes, he would have been shot dead to protect the public. As long as he was holding the knife, he was a threat to the public. The police did the right thing there. If anything, they must be given promotion for putting their own lives in danger to protect the public. | |||
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" There are about 75,000 reported r@pes in the UK every year, all horrendous, all committed by men (81% committed by white men), but you want to specifically focus on the one committed by Afghan men. Why is that? " Firstly, that number you shared is quite useless and has been known to be biased because the police didn't record ethnicity in lots of these cases. The 2020 grooming gang report made the same mistake by relying only on what was recorded by the police and said that White people accounted for most grooming gangs. The Casey report later started looking at the cases where ethnicity wasn't recorded and found that the numbers were heavily skewed. Secondly, people who grew up in this country are this country's problem. There is no reason why this country should invite problems from the other countries. Go ask people living next to these migrant hotels about their experiences. If the left really cares about women's rights as they have been pretending for some years, they should be the first voices against this and against the grooming gangs. And they are doing the exact opposite of that. Makes you wonder if they ever cared about the women in the first place. | |||
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"i imagine he wasnt outside the court in liverpool as he has been in america the last 3 or 4 weeks I imagine he wasn't outside the court because he couldn't give a fuck about protecting women when the defendants are white British men." how iz he going to be outside a court in Liverpool if he is in america you plum | |||
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"i imagine he wasnt outside the court in liverpool as he has been in america the last 3 or 4 weeks I imagine he wasn't outside the court because he couldn't give a fuck about protecting women when the defendants are white British men." If he was also absent for the conviction of Amponsah Thompson at Liverpool Crown Court last month, would that ever so slightly undermine your forensic analysis and erudite comment? | |||
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"The Golders Green stabber had already been in jail for stabbing a policeman & his dog, had just been released from a psychiatric unit, and his first stab victim of three on the day was a Muslim man. So why has the media spotlight been so very selective on this, with no initial mention of the Muslim victim? Why has a non fatal stabbing incident (of which there are thousands in the UK annually) claimed the headlines?" . A bizarre post. Not many people attempt to stab police officers . The media have simply reported the facts. | |||
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"The Golders Green stabber had already been in jail for stabbing a policeman & his dog, had just been released from a psychiatric unit, and his first stab victim of three on the day was a Muslim man. So why has the media spotlight been so very selective on this, with no initial mention of the Muslim victim? Why has a non fatal stabbing incident (of which there are thousands in the UK annually) claimed the headlines?. A bizarre post. Not many people attempt to stab police officers . The media have simply reported the facts. " Not many people attempt to stab police officers? Have you got stats on this to back up what you are saying constitutes ‘not many’? I’m not saying you are wrong by the way, but assaults on Police officers are unfortunately pretty common. So how uncommon are incidents where the police have to taser an armed perp? Have you got the stats on that? The media did not report the full facts surrounding this incident initially, which is why it only became apparent Suleiman had attempted to attack a Muslim man before he attacked the two Jews after the initial media furore. | |||
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"The Golders Green stabber had already been in jail for stabbing a policeman & his dog, had just been released from a psychiatric unit, and his first stab victim of three on the day was a Muslim man. So why has the media spotlight been so very selective on this, with no initial mention of the Muslim victim? " The fact that he was already in prison was reported in many articles. There were lots of comments in social media about why he was allowed to roam around freely. His first stab victim(who was the attacker's friend) wasn't reported originally presumably because it happened long before he went stabbing in the public and only the ones he stabbed in public were known at that time. " Why has a non fatal stabbing incident (of which there are thousands in the UK annually) claimed the headlines?" Because most stabbings happen between gangs. It's rare that innocent people get stabbed in public. The US police killing someone in the US made headlines here for months with politicians and celebs taking the knee and doing all that circus. Compared to that, the publicity this event received is nothing. | |||
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"The Golders Green stabber had already been in jail for stabbing a policeman & his dog, " Free pass to the arresting officers to boot the boot in (f u Zac Polanski) | |||
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" Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ? Look for what connects the attacks, if anything. Which might not be simple or obvious. Then address whatever that connection is." In alot of these atrocities, around the world, not just UK, the connections are:chronic, severe mental health problems low IQ poor educational attainment low self esteem long term unemployment. Or, to put it another way: "The Devil giving his work for idle hands to do". One answer is to find them secure, supervised place to live, remove access to social media TV and even type press, give them active jobs to help improve their mood eg. environmental conservation- tree planting, road and rail repairs animal husbandry, sustainable farm work, waterways maintenance for flood prevention.... Chances of complacent politicians ever getting coordinated public works schemes off the ground?... | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish??" and mabey those who we have let in our country who think its ok to stab peoole for what another country is doing can clear off back to the backward shitholes they came from | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish??" Making six million homeless in Iran, Lebanon and Gaza, killing 80,000 civilians, injuring 300,000 and 39,000 orphans; who would have thought this would lead an increase in anti semitism | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish??and mabey those who we have let in our country who think its ok to stab peoole for what another country is doing can clear off back to the backward shitholes they came from" Britain has invaded, sla@e traded and fought conquests on 171 countries on the globe. Karma has come in the form of migrants, ‘refugees’ and an increase in stabbers. This stabber went for a white non Jew policeman and his dog on the first attempt. Reap what you sow | |||
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"The Golders Green stabber had already been in jail for stabbing a policeman & his dog, had just been released from a psychiatric unit, and his first stab victim of three on the day was a Muslim man. So why has the media spotlight been so very selective on this, with no initial mention of the Muslim victim? Why has a non fatal stabbing incident (of which there are thousands in the UK annually) claimed the headlines?. A bizarre post. Not many people attempt to stab police officers . The media have simply reported the facts. Not many people attempt to stab police officers? Have you got stats on this to back up what you are saying constitutes ‘not many’? I’m not saying you are wrong by the way, but assaults on Police officers are unfortunately pretty common. So how uncommon are incidents where the police have to taser an armed perp? Have you got the stats on that? The media did not report the full facts surrounding this incident initially, which is why it only became apparent Suleiman had attempted to attack a Muslim man before he attacked the two Jews after the initial media furore. " Why would any rational person want the stats on the information to which you refer. All the information that anyone needs is widely reported in the press | |||
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"The Golders Green stabber had already been in jail for stabbing a policeman & his dog, had just been released from a psychiatric unit, and his first stab victim of three on the day was a Muslim man. So why has the media spotlight been so very selective on this, with no initial mention of the Muslim victim? Why has a non fatal stabbing incident (of which there are thousands in the UK annually) claimed the headlines?. A bizarre post. Not many people attempt to stab police officers . The media have simply reported the facts. Not many people attempt to stab police officers? Have you got stats on this to back up what you are saying constitutes ‘not many’? I’m not saying you are wrong by the way, but assaults on Police officers are unfortunately pretty common. So how uncommon are incidents where the police have to taser an armed perp? Have you got the stats on that? The media did not report the full facts surrounding this incident initially, which is why it only became apparent Suleiman had attempted to attack a Muslim man before he attacked the two Jews after the initial media furore. Why would any rational person want the stats on the information to which you refer. All the information that anyone needs is widely reported in the press " I wanted the stats because you said not many people attempt to stab police officers, that’s all. As regards all the info being widely reported, I’m really looking forward to the Daily Mail’s front page outrage on this chap attempting to kill another Muslim then. | |||
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"While people are rightly concerned about the recent attack on two innocent men I think we are missing out on a bigger picture. How long was the attacker incarcerated at the mental health unit for his last attack? Like the Leicester attacker how many nutters are now roaming the streets? Should a survey of potential violent psychopaths/sociopaths be undertaken with a view of removing them from the general population? If they have to be put back on the streets what can be done to ensure they are adequately medicated and monitored? I'm sure some of the Liberal minded might be crying civil liberties etc but how many innocent people have to be butchered for something to be done?" It's basically the job of Prevent. They also had his name in their list but chose to do nothing. | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish??and mabey those who we have let in our country who think its ok to stab peoole for what another country is doing can clear off back to the backward shitholes they came from Britain has invaded, sla@e traded and fought conquests on 171 countries on the globe. Karma has come in the form of migrants, ‘refugees’ and an increase in stabbers. This stabber went for a white non Jew policeman and his dog on the first attempt. Reap what you sow " and that has what to do with everyone alive in 2026. The majority of people have never profited fron any of that, this mad fucker should of been sent back to Somalia after his first stabbing conviction he is a guest here and if a guest does shit like that they need to go home | |||
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" So do you view criticism of Israel's actions as Antisemitic? " No,unless it differs from criticism levied against any other government. In other words, if you make the same noise about the actions of any other regime, and hold any other government to the same standard, then no, it isn't. If you expect Israel to behave differently to other countries, then it is. | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish??" Did the innocent victims of this stabbing incident have anything to do with the actions of the Israeli government? Is it in anyway acceptable to target people who don't even live in Israel simply for being Jewish? | |||
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"There were two attempted knife attacks in Golders Green. No one was seriously injured except perhaps the assailant who was kicked in the head by the police whilst he was lying on the ground after being tasered. I'm not convinced you understand the issue or your own bias. What is there to misunderstand? The video of the takedown of the assailant was shown on early news broadcasts before being taken down "because it might offend the audiences" The whole thing can be seen on the Guardian's post on YouTube. [man arrested after stabbing two Jewish people in Golders Green] Let me know if you miss the part where two uniformed police officers kick the assailant in the head. It may have been necessary and it may be police procedure. It may not. It did occur. No bias. " I'm not going to go back and forth on this, you clearly can't see how your opinion is biased. | |||
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" Britain has invaded, sla@e traded and fought conquests on 171 countries on the globe. Karma has come in the form of migrants, ‘refugees’ and an increase in stabbers. This stabber went for a white non Jew policeman and his dog on the first attempt. Reap what you sow " Britain was also instrument in banning the sl@ve trade. The Ottoman Empire enacted three genocides around the time of WW1. Nobody would use that to justify attacks on Turks. 🙄 | |||
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" There are about 75,000 reported r@pes in the UK every year, all horrendous, all committed by men (81% committed by white men), but you want to specifically focus on the one committed by Afghan men. Why is that? " Exactly the point we were making earlier. Hyperfocus on one specific group raises questions. " The people who bang on about "protecting our women and children" are very vocal when the accused are brown but very silent when the accused are white. " And indeed silence on other similar issues, with focus on one specific minority could signal an underlying bias. " Don't try to mask racism by pretending it's about women's safety." Right. You get it. Not everybody does. When people apply disproportionate criticism to Israel and Jews, amplifying media control tropes and look to minimise issues against them while pouring criticism upon them... It makes you wonder. | |||
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"Have you not heard of Jewish Autonomous Oblast? The Jewish population is under 900. It is not classed as a nation state, a sovereign state or an independent country, and it does not have a Jewish majority population. It doesn’t have a Jewish majority because they migrated. They had a dedicated state before the formation of Israel. " | |||
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"Have you not heard of Jewish Autonomous Oblast? The Jewish population is under 900. It is not classed as a nation state, a sovereign state or an independent country, and it does not have a Jewish majority population. It doesn’t have a Jewish majority because they migrated. They had a dedicated state before the formation of Israel. " You might as well claim that the Venetian ghetto was a Jewish state. Are you deliberately trying to be offensive to Jews here? | |||
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"Have you not heard of Jewish Autonomous Oblast? The Jewish population is under 900. It is not classed as a nation state, a sovereign state or an independent country, and it does not have a Jewish majority population. It doesn’t have a Jewish majority because they migrated. They had a dedicated state before the formation of Israel. " What part of 'not a nation state, not a sovereign state' did you fail to understand? It was hardly much different to the Pale of Settlement. | |||
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" It was hardly much different to the Pale of Settlement." Exactly this. It was a solution to "the Jewish problem", designed to benefit the Soviets, not the Jews. | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish?? Did the innocent victims of this stabbing incident have anything to do with the actions of the Israeli government? Is it in anyway acceptable to target people who don't even live in Israel simply for being Jewish?" It’s an interesting question… so let’s put some more information out there… If we now know that the attacker attacked a Muslim person in Southwark.. a few hours before attacking the 2 Jewish people in Golders Green.. at what point do we actually call it a mental health issue, which we know he had a history of | |||
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"...at what point do we actually call it a mental health issue, which we know he had a history of " What detail do you have of his issue? Is it that he had no control? What prompted him to attack Jews in Golders Green? Were these random targets, or had he been directed there? It's very possible that he had mental health issues. What were they, and how do they explain this? Or are we speculating that questions might exist? | |||
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"...at what point do we actually call it a mental health issue, which we know he had a history of What detail do you have of his issue? Is it that he had no control? What prompted him to attack Jews in Golders Green? Were these random targets, or had he been directed there? It's very possible that he had mental health issues. What were they, and how do they explain this? Or are we speculating that questions might exist?" Well the police Commissioner Mark Rowley stated that the suspect had a "history of serious violence and mental health issues". The problem I am having here is that he has been charged with 3 attempted murders… but we are only talking about the 2 in Golders Green… without taking into account the one in Southwark And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… I have a problem where we are only taking about Golders Green and pushing that narrative without acknowledging the other attack happened | |||
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"And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… I have a problem where we are only taking about Golders Green and pushing that narrative without acknowledging the other attack happened " So your point is that it might not have been antisemitic? That there was a non-antisemitic attack first, then an antisemitic one? That we simply don't know, and cannot trust the police who said that "deliberately targeting the Jewish community in London is a primary line of inquiry" (and presumably understand the facts better than we do)? That we're not giving enough attention to the first attempted murder, for a specific, nefarious reason? You hint at a question, but it's not clear exactly what you're saying - you're kind of going halfway there, without making your actual point. | |||
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"...at what point do we actually call it a mental health issue, which we know he had a history of What detail do you have of his issue? Is it that he had no control? What prompted him to attack Jews in Golders Green? Were these random targets, or had he been directed there? It's very possible that he had mental health issues. What were they, and how do they explain this? Or are we speculating that questions might exist? Well the police Commissioner Mark Rowley stated that the suspect had a "history of serious violence and mental health issues". The problem I am having here is that he has been charged with 3 attempted murders… but we are only talking about the 2 in Golders Green… without taking into account the one in Southwark And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… I have a problem where we are only taking about Golders Green and pushing that narrative without acknowledging the other attack happened " “The Nazis weren’t anti-semites because they murdered Poles and Roma too”. Sounds like there is a new category of hate crime where the perception of the victim matters a bit less. Maybe we can think up a new name for this category. | |||
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"The problem I am having here is that he has been charged with 3 attempted murders… but we are only talking about the 2 in Golders Green… without taking into account the one in Southwark And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… " Because we don't know and can only speculate on the first attack. The second attack was antisemitic. We could speculate that the first one was because his friend tried to stop him (a guess). It doesn't mean the second one is any more excusable. What I find strange, is that very few people carry out a "mental health" provoked terror attack without it somehow also being linked to Jihadism. Like, when did you last hear of a practising Buddhist or Sikh killing someone down to a deterioration in their mental state? | |||
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"The problem I am having here is that he has been charged with 3 attempted murders… but we are only talking about the 2 in Golders Green… without taking into account the one in Southwark And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… Because we don't know and can only speculate on the first attack. The second attack was antisemitic. We could speculate that the first one was because his friend tried to stop him (a guess). It doesn't mean the second one is any more excusable. What I find strange, is that very few people carry out a "mental health" provoked terror attack without it somehow also being linked to Jihadism. Like, when did you last hear of a practising Buddhist or Sikh killing someone down to a deterioration in their mental state? " Well Buddhist terrorism certainly has existed in Asia & Sikh terrorism has history in India. So they are no innocents. I’ve not checked, but I’m pretty sure violent crime goes on in Buddhist dominant countries? …and a % of that could be due to mental health issues? If we are talking specifically about the UK, there are upwards of 4 million Muslims in the UK, half a million Sikhs & about 300k Buddhists. Statistically it is more likely a Muslim with mental health issues would cause problems. The other major difference is if this IS proven to an anti semitic attack, it might be because there is a lot of Israeli western sponsored bombings of Muslims going on in the Middle East at the moment, something that doesn’t apply to Buddhists or Sikhs. Not saying it’s right at all to attack innocent Jews in London but I reckon that would be the most likely reason for an anti Semitic attack taking place here rather than an attack on a Buddhist or Sikh temple unless anybody else has better ideas? | |||
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" Well Buddhist terrorism certainly has existed in Asia & Sikh terrorism has history in India. So they are no innocents. I’ve not checked, but I’m pretty sure violent crime goes on in Buddhist dominant countries? …and a % of that could be due to mental health issues? " Do you know of any Buddhist terrorist organisations? Sure there are violent criminals who are Buddhists. But I don't think there has been any Buddhist terrorist organisations. As for Sikhs, yes there are some separatist groups like the Khalistan Liberation Force which have been designated as terrorists by India. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 03/05/26 08:47:01] There are groups in Myanmar & Sri Lanka." Both countries have far-right religious groups, I don't think anyone has declared them terrorists. | |||
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" Well Buddhist terrorism certainly has existed in Asia & Sikh terrorism has history in India. So they are no innocents. I’ve not checked, but I’m pretty sure violent crime goes on in Buddhist dominant countries? …and a % of that could be due to mental health issues? Do you know of any Buddhist terrorist organisations? Sure there are violent criminals who are Buddhists. But I don't think there has been any Buddhist terrorist organisations. As for Sikhs, yes there are some separatist groups like the Khalistan Liberation Force which have been designated as terrorists by India." It depends on your view of terrorism maybe. I’d say instigating nationalist rioting at the expense of Muslims is certainly akin to terrorism. This broad view that Buddhists are all peace loving meditators who never cause trouble for any of their fellow humans is certainly off the mark, let’s put it that way. | |||
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" The other major difference is if this IS proven to an anti semitic attack, it might be because there is a lot of Israeli western sponsored bombings of Muslims going on in the Middle East at the moment, something that doesn’t apply to Buddhists or Sikhs. Not saying it’s right at all to attack innocent Jews in London but I reckon that would be the most likely reason for an anti Semitic attack taking place here rather than an attack on a Buddhist or Sikh temple unless anybody else has better ideas? " Let's say you're 100% correct. Let's also say that the US and Israel are not going to change. How would we, in the UK, prevent these attacks? | |||
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" Well Buddhist terrorism certainly has existed in Asia & Sikh terrorism has history in India. So they are no innocents. I’ve not checked, but I’m pretty sure violent crime goes on in Buddhist dominant countries? …and a % of that could be due to mental health issues? Do you know of any Buddhist terrorist organisations? Sure there are violent criminals who are Buddhists. But I don't think there has been any Buddhist terrorist organisations. As for Sikhs, yes there are some separatist groups like the Khalistan Liberation Force which have been designated as terrorists by India. It depends on your view of terrorism maybe. I’d say instigating nationalist rioting at the expense of Muslims is certainly akin to terrorism. This broad view that Buddhists are all peace loving meditators who never cause trouble for any of their fellow humans is certainly off the mark, let’s put it that way." Terrorism has a clear definition. Committing violence on innocent people to promote a political cause. I don't think the Buddhist groups in Myanmar or Sri Lanka fall into that category. I don't think the Buddhists are all peace loving mediators. But look at the scales and proportionality. What % of terrorist organisations globally are Buddhist? | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish?? Did the innocent victims of this stabbing incident have anything to do with the actions of the Israeli government? Is it in anyway acceptable to target people who don't even live in Israel simply for being Jewish? It’s an interesting question… so let’s put some more information out there… If we now know that the attacker attacked a Muslim person in Southwark.. a few hours before attacking the 2 Jewish people in Golders Green.. at what point do we actually call it a mental health issue, which we know he had a history of " What on earth has your question got to do with my post. I was responding to a post that was trying to justify or link the attacks to the actions of the Israeli government. I was asking the poster if the victims had anything to do with the Israeli governments actions. Also asking is it in anyway acceptable to target people who don't even live in Israel simply for being Jewish. | |||
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" Well Buddhist terrorism certainly has existed in Asia & Sikh terrorism has history in India. So they are no innocents. I’ve not checked, but I’m pretty sure violent crime goes on in Buddhist dominant countries? …and a % of that could be due to mental health issues? Do you know of any Buddhist terrorist organisations? Sure there are violent criminals who are Buddhists. But I don't think there has been any Buddhist terrorist organisations. As for Sikhs, yes there are some separatist groups like the Khalistan Liberation Force which have been designated as terrorists by India. It depends on your view of terrorism maybe. I’d say instigating nationalist rioting at the expense of Muslims is certainly akin to terrorism. This broad view that Buddhists are all peace loving meditators who never cause trouble for any of their fellow humans is certainly off the mark, let’s put it that way. Terrorism has a clear definition. Committing violence on innocent people to promote a political cause. I don't think the Buddhist groups in Myanmar or Sri Lanka fall into that category. I don't think the Buddhists are all peace loving mediators. But look at the scales and proportionality. What % of terrorist organisations globally are Buddhist?" Well they have certainly been committing violence on innocent people to promote a religious cause…if you don’t think these Buddhist groups fall into the ‘terrorist’ category, that’s fine, happy to accept that view. Doesn’t alter the fact they use intimidation & violence against other groups of people as tactics to get what they want though… 25% of the world population are Muslims, around 5% are Buddhist. Which is probably one of the reasons we have more Islamic terrorism than Buddhist terrorism. Numbers aren’t the only reason though, there are the well documented Islamic militants of course, but also a lot of Islamic terrorism emerges from conflicts/interference from Western nations. Anyhow, bringing it back to the UK, pretty obvious to me if there is an uptick in antisemitism in the UK, its as a result of what is perceived to be over zealous military action by Israel, compounded by tacit approval for it by the UK government. | |||
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" Well they have certainly been committing violence on innocent people to promote a religious cause…if you don’t think these Buddhist groups fall into the ‘terrorist’ category, that’s fine, happy to accept that view. Doesn’t alter the fact they use intimidation & violence against other groups of people as tactics to get what they want though… " Did they kill anyone? " 25% of the world population are Muslims, around 5% are Buddhist. Which is probably one of the reasons we have more Islamic terrorism than Buddhist terrorism. " Sure, then for every five Islamic terrorist groups, there must be one Buddhist terror group? " Numbers aren’t the only reason though, there are the well documented Islamic militants of course, but also a lot of Islamic terrorism emerges from conflicts/interference from Western nations. " Of course, everything is the west's fault. " Anyhow, bringing it back to the UK, pretty obvious to me if there is an uptick in antisemitism in the UK, its as a result of what is perceived to be over zealous military action by Israel, compounded by tacit approval for it by the UK government. " People who commit these attacks have free will. If what happens in some other country drives these people to commit violence on jews here, they are racist scumbags. As simple as that. | |||
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" Did they kill anyone? Sure, then for every five Islamic terrorist groups, there must be one Buddhist terror group? Of course, everything is the west's fault. People who commit these attacks have free will. If what happens in some other country drives these people to commit violence on jews here, they are racist scumbags. As simple as that." Buddhists have killed Muslims for these reasons, yes. Some of it is The West’s fault certainly. No one is claiming all of it is, apart from you obviously. In contrast, are you telling me The West is completely innocent then? No intervention in the Middle East by The West has directly or indirectly led to the formation of Islamist terror groups? I agree on your last point & at NO point have I said that Israeli policy does not in anyway justify attacks on British Jews. | |||
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" Buddhists have killed Muslims for these reasons, yes. " Show me the examples of these terrorist attacks you keep pointing out. " Some of it is The West’s fault certainly. No one is claiming all of it is, apart from you obviously. " What % roughly is West's fault? " In contrast, are you telling me The West is completely innocent then? " Not completely. But much less than you claim. There are countries where terrorist groups have cropped up even without the interference of the West. " I agree on your last point & at NO point have I said that Israeli policy does not in anyway justify attacks on British Jews." Do you agree that the ones in the UK who attack Jews here for what's happening on Israel are racists? | |||
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" Show me the examples of these terrorist attacks you keep pointing out. What % roughly is West's fault? Not completely. But much less than you claim. There are countries where terrorist groups have cropped up even without the interference of the West. Do you agree that the ones in the UK who attack Jews here for what's happening on Israel are racists?" “Burma jails 25 Buddhists for mob killings of 36 Muslims in Meikhtila. Jail terms, among first for Buddhists in recent sectarian violence, follows attack on school that killed 32 and torching of mosques” - that’s one example, a quick 30 second perusal of Google gave me. You can go on & on about the commonality of Islamic terrorism in comparison, I’m pointing out there is extremist Buddhism, that’s all. I don’t know what % is The West’s fault. You’re the one who sarcastically said it’s all The West’s fault without meaning it not me. I was pointing out you were talking nonsense. I do agree that anybody attacking UK Jews using Israeli policy as their excuse is racist, yes. | |||
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" What happened there was sectarian riot where both groups attacked each other. There were fatalities on the Buddhists side too. I never denied that there's Buddhist extremism. But the scale and proportionality are way different. There are multiple terrorist groups operating from Pakistan and designated as terrorists by the Pakistani government themselves. Are they also the West's fault? "So what about the Rohingya genocide then? There really is little point dancing around on the head of a pin here trying to prove some kind of point. There are violent Buddhist militants, that is all & we seem to agree on that? No the Pakistani Islamic terror groups aren’t The West’s fault. Does that mean 100% of Islamic terror groups (or the rate at which they find willing recruits) cannot be traced back to some form of Western foreign policy/interventionism? | |||
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"The problem I am having here is that he has been charged with 3 attempted murders… but we are only talking about the 2 in Golders Green… without taking into account the one in Southwark And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… Because we don't know and can only speculate on the first attack. The second attack was antisemitic. We could speculate that the first one was because his friend tried to stop him (a guess). It doesn't mean the second one is any more excusable. What I find strange, is that very few people carry out a "mental health" provoked terror attack without it somehow also being linked to Jihadism. Like, when did you last hear of a practising Buddhist or Sikh killing someone down to a deterioration in their mental state? " I am saying it’s not a plain or concrete if you are taking an isolated incident and taking that out of a fuller isolated incident Let’s for example let me take a white shooter killed 10 people, 9 happen to be white, and the 10th person black, do we immediately call that a racial crime? What I am saying is this incident is being used to push a different narrative which is stifle the marches I don’t conflate Judaism with Zionism, I have never held accountable the religion or tied them to a government, in fact the biggest group of those guilty of this may be the Israeli government themselves tying any criticism back to the accusations of antisemitism I absolutely do think there are antisemitic incidents… just like there are hate incidents on mosques.. and Sikh temples Literally just last week a man was convicted of the r@pe of a Sikh woman literally because he thought she was Muslim So the person was in the “respect” program.. can we say that failed in this case.. absolutely The person was known to have mental health issues… can we say he was let down in general by our lack of mental health services… absolutely Do we know he should have been monitored better… absolutely, he was known to the services.. heck he stabbed a copper in the past If we are calling the 2nd incident antisemitic, do we call the first one Islamophobic? …. Do we look at them in isolation or do we look at the entire incident I mean…. Hand on heart how many of you knew he had been charged with 3 attempted murders as opposed to 2? How many of you knew about the first incident.. and if so, why are 100 odd post am I the first person to mention it! | |||
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" So what about the Rohingya genocide then? " Sure that's a government action. It's as bad as terrorism but not exactly terrorism. If you consider this as terrorism, every country that has death penalty for gays is a terrorist country right? " There really is little point dancing around on the head of a pin here trying to prove some kind of point. There are violent Buddhist militants, that is all & we seem to agree on that? No the Pakistani Islamic terror groups aren’t The West’s fault. Does that mean 100% of Islamic terror groups (or the rate at which they find willing recruits) cannot be traced back to some form of Western foreign policy/interventionism? " None of these have binary answers. The answer is in a continuous scale and I have pointed it out already. Look at the number of religious terrorist organisations around the world and see if they are proportionate to the population of each religion. | |||
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"2 October 2025, during the Jewish holiday a car driven into pedestrians before stabbing worshippers at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, in Manchester 23 March 2026, four Hatzola ambulances were set on fire in Golders Green North London by a front group for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Yesterday, suspected arson attack carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green, north London. Today two men stabbed in Golders Green Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ?" Sort out the Israeli genocide, give Palestinians a home state, and the rest will look after itself. | |||
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"2 October 2025, during the Jewish holiday a car driven into pedestrians before stabbing worshippers at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, in Manchester 23 March 2026, four Hatzola ambulances were set on fire in Golders Green North London by a front group for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Yesterday, suspected arson attack carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green, north London. Today two men stabbed in Golders Green Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ? Sort out the Israeli genocide, give Palestinians a home state, and the rest will look after itself. " Great! So Muslims in the UK should also attack the Chinese and say "Sort out the Uyghur genocide, treat them equally and the rest will look after itself." Maybe the gays in the UK should attack the Muslims and say, "Remove the death penalty for gays in the Middle eastern countries and the rest will look after itself." The amount of apologists for racists in this thread is mind-blowing. | |||
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"2 October 2025, during the Jewish holiday a car driven into pedestrians before stabbing worshippers at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, in Manchester 23 March 2026, four Hatzola ambulances were set on fire in Golders Green North London by a front group for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Yesterday, suspected arson attack carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green, north London. Today two men stabbed in Golders Green Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ? Sort out the Israeli genocide, give Palestinians a home state, and the rest will look after itself. " A bit naive really. In my opinion, these attacks stem from intense hatred of Jews....not Israelis. Attaching these attacks to what may or may not be happening elsewhere diminishes the reality that people will not give the the Jews of this country the same social, moral and physical protection that a peace loving element of our country who have been entrenched in our society for centuries, deserve in the same way that any one of us would expect. Trying to attach these attacks to other events is simply trying to justify an abhorrence for some sort of twisted political mantra. | |||
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"2 October 2025, during the Jewish holiday a car driven into pedestrians before stabbing worshippers at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, in Manchester 23 March 2026, four Hatzola ambulances were set on fire in Golders Green North London by a front group for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Yesterday, suspected arson attack carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green, north London. Today two men stabbed in Golders Green Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ? Sort out the Israeli genocide, give Palestinians a home state, and the rest will look after itself. A bit naive really. In my opinion, these attacks stem from intense hatred of Jews....not Israelis. Attaching these attacks to what may or may not be happening elsewhere diminishes the reality that people will not give the the Jews of this country the same social, moral and physical protection that a peace loving element of our country who have been entrenched in our society for centuries, deserve in the same way that any one of us would expect. Trying to attach these attacks to other events is simply trying to justify an abhorrence for some sort of twisted political mantra." Blinkered nonsense. With tens of thousands of civilians dead in ongoing genocide, with ongoing ethnic clearances, propped up by the uk’s awful govt. You are delusional. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 03/05/26 08:47:01] There are groups in Myanmar & Sri Lanka. Both countries have far-right religious groups, I don't think anyone has declared them terrorists." The point I was making was the way we handle things in the UK. Of course, every group has its extremists. But they are never excused for their actions because of 'mental health'. | |||
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" If we are calling the 2nd incident antisemitic, do we call the first one Islamophobic?" No. Do you have any reason to believe that the first incident was Islamaphobic? The most likely explanation was the the first incident was due to something personal between them. The reason for the stabbing was something specific to that person. That would not be worthy of national news. In contrast, a random stabbing that appears (to the police) to be racially motivated could, potentially, be newsworthy. In light of an already reported cluster (a real statistical cluster given their seriousness) of attacks against Jews, this makes the Jewish community feel even more unsafe. That makes this newsworthy. The first stabbing would not even hit local radio news if not for the other two. " I mean…. Hand on heart how many of you knew he had been charged with 3 attempted murders as opposed to 2? How many of you knew about the first incident.. and if so, why are 100 odd post am I the first person to mention it! " We knew about the stabbing as the news emerged. But although it gives some context, it's not really the story. Getting to the question of why you mention it - the answer to that is contained in the manner of you raising it. If you look at the voices who were asking the exact same question as you articulated: Mehdi Hasan has publicly criticized outlets like Reuters for headlines that focused exclusively on the two Jewish victims. Owen Jones took to social media to question the editorial justification for the media failing to state that the suspect, Essa Suleiman, was charged with three counts of attempted murder, specifically highlighting Hussein as the third victim. Birmingham MP Ayoub Khan posted on X calling the disparity "disturbing" and questioning why the media is ignoring the attack on the Muslim victim. ...then it's really more of a feature of your newsfeed. Presumably the same newsfeed that prompted you to propagate the story about Maccabi fans (that later turned out to be untrue). Maybe we're all just victims of the algorithms. We saw the same facts as you, but didn't really have the same problem with the reporting that you did, because it made sense to us. Media will always look for the most entertaining, the biggest story. A Somalian guy stabbing his friend just isn't interesting. And trying to equate stabbing an acquaintance and targeting random Jews is just disingenuous sophistry. | |||
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" Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ? Look for what connects the attacks, if anything. Which might not be simple or obvious. Then address whatever that connection is." Islamic terrorism, which is on the rise throughout Europe, as opposed to what politicians and police would like us to believe And let’s not forget non existent right wing terrorism, I mean they ate out there mass attacks on weekly basis aren’t they | |||
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"First question is what the hell is a man like him out on the streets long history of violence and mental illness it's time those in charge of these services were locked up no lesson will be learned from this." Ahhh that gold mental illness excuse, he should have been fckd off a long long time ago | |||
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"Maybe it would help if Israel stopped bombing innocent people??? Maybe thats why some are anti Jewish??and mabey those who we have let in our country who think its ok to stab peoole for what another country is doing can clear off back to the backward shitholes they came from Britain has invaded, sla@e traded and fought conquests on 171 countries on the globe. Karma has come in the form of migrants, ‘refugees’ and an increase in stabbers. This stabber went for a white non Jew policeman and his dog on the first attempt. Reap what you sow " And what part has the dog played in any of this quote, apart from Muslims thinking dogs are a dirty animal and should be banned from public places In fairness I’d sooner house a homeless dog than a dinghy diver | |||
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"The problem I am having here is that he has been charged with 3 attempted murders… but we are only talking about the 2 in Golders Green… without taking into account the one in Southwark And if the one in Southwark was against a Muslim person first, then the 2 against Jewish people … why are we talking about it as an antisemitic attack without taking the first attack within the context of everything that happened… Because we don't know and can only speculate on the first attack. The second attack was antisemitic. We could speculate that the first one was because his friend tried to stop him (a guess). It doesn't mean the second one is any more excusable. What I find strange, is that very few people carry out a "mental health" provoked terror attack without it somehow also being linked to Jihadism. Like, when did you last hear of a practising Buddhist or Sikh killing someone down to a deterioration in their mental state? I am saying it’s not a plain or concrete if you are taking an isolated incident and taking that out of a fuller isolated incident Let’s for example let me take a white shooter killed 10 people, 9 happen to be white, and the 10th person black, do we immediately call that a racial crime? What I am saying is this incident is being used to push a different narrative which is stifle the marches I don’t conflate Judaism with Zionism, I have never held accountable the religion or tied them to a government, in fact the biggest group of those guilty of this may be the Israeli government themselves tying any criticism back to the accusations of antisemitism I absolutely do think there are antisemitic incidents… just like there are hate incidents on mosques.. and Sikh temples Literally just last week a man was convicted of the r@pe of a Sikh woman literally because he thought she was Muslim So the person was in the “respect” program.. can we say that failed in this case.. absolutely The person was known to have mental health issues… can we say he was let down in general by our lack of mental health services… absolutely Do we know he should have been monitored better… absolutely, he was known to the services.. heck he stabbed a copper in the past If we are calling the 2nd incident antisemitic, do we call the first one Islamophobic? …. Do we look at them in isolation or do we look at the entire incident I mean…. Hand on heart how many of you knew he had been charged with 3 attempted murders as opposed to 2? How many of you knew about the first incident.. and if so, why are 100 odd post am I the first person to mention it! " I don't think you are first to mention the first victim. The news of the first attack was included in the BBC report from the very start so did not go unreported. It differs to the other attacks as the victim and the attacker knew each other and for whatever reason had an argument that turned violent. This is very different from attacks 2 and 3 where the attacker attacked people he did not know simply because they were Jewish hence the antisemitism. | |||
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"2 October 2025, during the Jewish holiday a car driven into pedestrians before stabbing worshippers at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation, in Manchester 23 March 2026, four Hatzola ambulances were set on fire in Golders Green North London by a front group for Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Yesterday, suspected arson attack carried out at a memorial wall in Golders Green, north London. Today two men stabbed in Golders Green Lessons learned,, move along …. Or what should be done ? Sort out the Israeli genocide, give Palestinians a home state, and the rest will look after itself. A bit naive really. In my opinion, these attacks stem from intense hatred of Jews....not Israelis. Attaching these attacks to what may or may not be happening elsewhere diminishes the reality that people will not give the the Jews of this country the same social, moral and physical protection that a peace loving element of our country who have been entrenched in our society for centuries, deserve in the same way that any one of us would expect. Trying to attach these attacks to other events is simply trying to justify an abhorrence for some sort of twisted political mantra. Blinkered nonsense. With tens of thousands of civilians dead in ongoing genocide, with ongoing ethnic clearances, propped up by the uk’s awful govt. You are delusional." And what does this have to do with British citizens living peacefully in this country? Unless you think that our citizens should somehow be blamed for what is happening elsewhere? Delusional? I'm not going to lower myself to your level of abuse because I prefer to argue the point rather than fail to do so and instead attack the messenger. However, I would say that it is this "business as usual" approach to what is happening by those who obvious would never support our values, particularly disturbing. | |||
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"And Zack Polanski, after apologising for that tweet has now doubled down again on it today. When asked about the police action, he said, "I was very concerned by what I saw and I remain concerned." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78q6w1vzz7o Guy is Corbyn on steroids. But nice to see him do a public exhibition of his idiotic political views." He's seen how effective the "defund the police" sentiment has been for Mamdani. He's not stupid. | |||
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" He's seen how effective the "defund the police" sentiment has been for Mamdani. He's not stupid." And that is then an inherent misunderstanding of the position… or maybe a purposeful one to propagate something that would be untruthful The position is that the police should not be expected to also be social workers.. so take that part of the budget, and use it on actual specialised social workers and that then frees up the police to do their actual jobs! I don’t see anything wrong In that… do you? | |||
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" He's seen how effective the "defund the police" sentiment has been for Mamdani. He's not stupid. And that is then an inherent misunderstanding of the position… or maybe a purposeful one to propagate something that would be untruthful The position is that the police should not be expected to also be social workers.. so take that part of the budget, and use it on actual specialised social workers and that then frees up the police to do their actual jobs! I don’t see anything wrong In that… do you? " Even if we assume what you said is true (which I don't think it is), isn't it absolutely stupid to use a slogan like "defund the police" if that's not what they are saying at all? Why not just say "Fund social work"? | |||
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"First question is what the hell is a man like him out on the streets long history of violence and mental illness it's time those in charge of these services were locked up no lesson will be learned from this." Not a mention on media of this failure to assess this man correctly just reference to the fact that they won't give his address because its a hostel. As you say who sanctions this man's freedom to wander the streets? How many other weirdos are there out there. And he had already been in the Gov.uk program for radicalisation. No wonder we can't stop shoplifters or boat people!! | |||
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" He's seen how effective the "defund the police" sentiment has been for Mamdani. He's not stupid. And that is then an inherent misunderstanding of the position… or maybe a purposeful one to propagate something that would be untruthful The position is that the police should not be expected to also be social workers.. so take that part of the budget, and use it on actual specialised social workers and that then frees up the police to do their actual jobs! I don’t see anything wrong In that… do you? " Without posting the link: After the police killing of George Floyd in Minnesota in 2020, Mamdani was among a number of New York Democrats who advocated slashing the police department’s budget, and who frequently railed against police brutality. In one social media post, Mamdani called the department “racist, anti-queer & a major threat to public safety.” In another, Mamdani wrote, “Defund this rogue agency” on a post sharing video of NYPD pummeling a man who had argued with a police officer. ...he later walked that back slightly when running for mayor. But that early outrage against the police framed his political persona. Polanski is doing almost exactly the same thing. Now for YOU to come in and say "that is then an inherent misunderstanding of the position… or maybe a purposeful one to propagate something that would be untruthful", is actually an inherent misunderstanding of the position… or maybe a purposeful one to propagate something that would be untruthful. | |||
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"I guess a trained hypnὄtist will be very adept at trying to manipulate public opinion for personal gain. Thankfully, most people are not as stupid as he believes them to be." Well a few here fell for the rubbish on social media and trying to downplay this incident by bringing up the first victim. However they either failed to read the facts about the first attack or simply decided to ignore them in the hope others wouldn't notice. Anything to deflect from the heinous crime when the victims are Jewish | |||
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" Cops need to be subject to standards. If they’re not they will garner rightful criticism. They must be held to account. " Absolutely nobody is suggesting otherwise. That statement obvious, redundant and to claim that people generally feel otherwise is crass. For an aspiring political leader (and leader of a party) to take a public and vocal position suggesting that the officers feel short, online and in interviews, in this particular case and at that particular time, is egregious. Polanski is out of line at the moment, but he knows that it will make him more popular with his base, so he persists. He's the left's biggest grifter, even when you ignore the breast enlargement nonsense. | |||
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" Even if we assume what you said is true (which I don't think it is), isn't it absolutely stupid to use a slogan like "defund the police" if that's not what they are saying at all? Why not just say "Fund social work"? " Nothing says that these guys need to be aided in doing their good work, and unburdened by extraneous social concerns like "Defund this rogue agency”. Anyone who tries to present that narrative is trying very hard to manipulate. Is not just apologism, it's attempting to rewrite history. | |||
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