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"Reform’s Treasury spokesperson, Robert Jenrick, said that Tice “thinks he’s paid the right tax”. Says the man who when Tory housing minister signed off donor Richard Desmond’s planning application early to avoid £40M infastructure levy " .... followed by boris johnsons intervention to prevent further legal action against jenrick for corruption in office. but what's that got to do with Tice's admission of cheating on his taxes and sending the money to the reform party instead? | |||
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"They are all at it." apart from that not being true that's not a defense for tice's tax cheating. he should leave politics now. | |||
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"They are all at it." At what? You personally know all 650 MPs and you know they are all corrupt? This sort of attitude does our country down! I can see how you get there, but it simply isn't true! Stop this attitude it's what Farage et al feed off. Who would want to be an MP but the shady and corrupt if you keep driving good people from that space by painting them all the same | |||
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"They are all at it. At what? You personally know all 650 MPs and you know they are all corrupt? This sort of attitude does our country down! I can see how you get there, but it simply isn't true! Stop this attitude it's what Farage et al feed off. Who would want to be an MP but the shady and corrupt if you keep driving good people from that space by painting them all the same " stop the attitude that they aint all the same you inow as much as the other poster | |||
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"They are all at it." I don't think that's entirely fair though it is a popular opinion. A problem that enhances that opinion is all the scandals from the Tory years and then labour get voted in who promised it was an end to such things, only to do the same. Now Reform, who are widely tipped to do very well at the next GE ( not my opinion as I don't think they will get close) are taking advantage already. I can see why people say they are all the same but cling to the thought that some are genuine MP's from all parties following the rules | |||
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"They are all at it. At what? You personally know all 650 MPs and you know they are all corrupt? This sort of attitude does our country down! I can see how you get there, but it simply isn't true! Stop this attitude it's what Farage et al feed off. Who would want to be an MP but the shady and corrupt if you keep driving good people from that space by painting them all the same stop the attitude that they aint all the same you inow as much as the other poster" Anyone care to translate? | |||
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"They are all at it. At what? You personally know all 650 MPs and you know they are all corrupt? This sort of attitude does our country down! I can see how you get there, but it simply isn't true! Stop this attitude it's what Farage et al feed off. Who would want to be an MP but the shady and corrupt if you keep driving good people from that space by painting them all the same stop the attitude that they aint all the same you inow as much as the other poster" Think I've got it. If 650 MPs were on the make the country would be in a worse state and it wouldn't be news when one of them did actually is on the make, it's news for a reason because it's new! | |||
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"They are all at it." Reeves CV and plagiarised book Rayners stamp duty Mortgage fraudster Mandelsons appointment Mandelsons passport fraud Zahawi’s stables electric bill MP expenses fraud Johnson’s lockdown party Iraq war dodgy dossier no Weapons mass destruction Sunak’s wife’s non dom and bankrupt business furlough Labours homeless minister evicting tenants Free clothes, holidays and glasses for labours front bench Farages wife’s stamp duty Michelle Mone’s PPE Hancocks pub landlord Covid PPE contract Panama papers. Geoffrey Cox £900k second job paid tax free in BVI All parties | |||
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"They are all at it. Reeves CV and plagiarised book Rayners stamp duty Mortgage fraudster Mandelsons appointment Mandelsons passport fraud Zahawi’s stables electric bill MP expenses fraud Johnson’s lockdown party Iraq war dodgy dossier no Weapons mass destruction Sunak’s wife’s non dom and bankrupt business furlough Labours homeless minister evicting tenants Free clothes, holidays and glasses for labours front bench Farages wife’s stamp duty Michelle Mone’s PPE Hancocks pub landlord Covid PPE contract Panama papers. Geoffrey Cox £900k second job paid tax free in BVI All parties " That's a small circle. There's 650 MPs Also not all of that is corrupt. Even some of it hallucinated | |||
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"So question is… if you wanted the head of Angela rayner for underpaying 40k on a 2nd home, what do we do to Richard tice get for underpaying 100k in corporation tax Are reform a party of “practice what you preach “…. Or.. “move on, nothing to see here!”" Even if it were much smaller amounts of money, and they have broken rules then they should pay it back regardless of who they are or from what party | |||
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"Tice didn't have the mechanisms Starmer had to introduce a personalised tax law in his own name to limit his exposure to tax.... Tice is a bit of a nobber, but it's a bit of a to do about nothing. " Is it? Tell me what you thought of Angela Rayner accidentally not paying tax? | |||
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"Tice didn't have the mechanisms Starmer had to introduce a personalised tax law in his own name to limit his exposure to tax.... Tice is a bit of a nobber, but it's a bit of a to do about nothing." "Is it? Tell me what you thought of Angela Rayner accidentally not paying tax?" Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament. Tice's underpayment isn't quite so clear cut. Indeed it's not clear that he has made an underpayment at all. | |||
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"Tice didn't have the mechanisms Starmer had to introduce a personalised tax law in his own name to limit his exposure to tax.... Tice is a bit of a nobber, but it's a bit of a to do about nothing. Is it? Tell me what you thought of Angela Rayner accidentally not paying tax? Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament. Tice's underpayment isn't quite so clear cut. Indeed it's not clear that he has made an underpayment at all." Not true! She didn't believe her home that she bought was a second home because the home that she'd gave to her disabled child was in trust | |||
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"Tice didn't have the mechanisms Starmer had to introduce a personalised tax law in his own name to limit his exposure to tax.... Tice is a bit of a nobber, but it's a bit of a to do about nothing. Is it? Tell me what you thought of Angela Rayner accidentally not paying tax? Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament. Tice's underpayment isn't quite so clear cut. Indeed it's not clear that he has made an underpayment at all." Actually she DID get advice from a tax specialist… and it was the wrong advice, even the parliamentry ethics committee (which she referred herself to ) concluded that actually she did not wrong on purpose! It’s also the finding that HMRC found which is why they allowed her to pay it without penalty Tices case is actually more cut… underpaying that amount of corporation tax isn’t just an “accident”… I mean.. he could refer himself to the same ethics committee as rayner did … but he hasn’t  | |||
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"Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament." "Not true! She didn't believe her home that she bought was a second home because the home that she'd gave to her disabled child was in trust " If that's the case, why did she tell Brighton council and parliament that it was a second home? | |||
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"Tices case is actually more cut… underpaying that amount of corporation tax isn’t just an “accident”… I mean.. he could refer himself to the same ethics committee as rayner did … but he hasn’t" From the reports I've read, Tice appears to have underpaid Corporation Tax, and as a result overpaid Income Tax. From what I've seen it's possible he has actually paid more tax than was strictly necessary. Not that paying extra tax is an excuse for getting the accounts wrong. | |||
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"Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament. Not true! She didn't believe her home that she bought was a second home because the home that she'd gave to her disabled child was in trust If that's the case, why did she tell Brighton council and parliament that it was a second home?" She believed, that the home she'd gave away to her disabled child and the grace and favour home weren't permanent homes. | |||
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"Tices case is actually more cut… underpaying that amount of corporation tax isn’t just an “accident”… I mean.. he could refer himself to the same ethics committee as rayner did … but he hasn’t From the reports I've read, Tice appears to have underpaid Corporation Tax, and as a result overpaid Income Tax. From what I've seen it's possible he has actually paid more tax than was strictly necessary. Not that paying extra tax is an excuse for getting the accounts wrong." Obvs! | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done " Again your wrong. He's lost more money than his father made | |||
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"Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament." "Not true! She didn't believe her home that she bought was a second home because the home that she'd gave to her disabled child was in trust" "If that's the case, why did she tell Brighton council and parliament that it was a second home?" "She believed, that the home she'd gave away to her disabled child and the grace and favour home weren't permanent homes." I'll ask again. If she believed that her child's house and her London house weren't her permanent homes, why did she tell Brighton Council and parliament that her child's house was her permanent home, and that the Brighton house was a second property? | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done" "Again your wrong. He's lost more money than his father made " Do you have any evidence to back up that claim? | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done Again your wrong. He's lost more money than his father made Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?" I cannot remember the source, but I read years ago that someone had calculated Trumps inheritance, and his business successes / failures, and concluded that had the inheritance been put in an index tracker it would have made more than Donald Trump has with it. | |||
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"Rayner's underpayment wasn't an accident. She told the tax man that the new property was her main home, but told the local council and parliament that a different place was her main home. Either she lied to the tax man, or she lied to parliament. Not true! She didn't believe her home that she bought was a second home because the home that she'd gave to her disabled child was in trust If that's the case, why did she tell Brighton council and parliament that it was a second home? She believed, that the home she'd gave away to her disabled child and the grace and favour home weren't permanent homes. I'll ask again. If she believed that her child's house and her London house weren't her permanent homes, why did she tell Brighton Council and parliament that her child's house was her permanent home, and that the Brighton house was a second property?" Thankful she’s no longer housing minister. Complete retard; new housing delivery is at a 12 year low. 300,000 new social housing she said, after right to buy and demolitions new social housing delivery is negative. 1.5 million new homes she said, about 50% shortfall after nearly two years. Plus all the landlord bashing while she holidays in donor Allis $18M second home in New York. | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done " Jury’s out for me whether he did anything wrong. He has apparently paid the £91k shortfall. And his net worth is £40M so he’s been paying tax What is beyond annoying; Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesperson, described the issue as "a minor administrative error". | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done" "Again your wrong. He's lost more money than his father made" "Do you have any evidence to back up that claim?" "I cannot remember the source, but I read years ago that someone had calculated Trumps inheritance ..." But the chap above wasn't talking about Trump, he was claiming that Tice had lost more money than his father had made. | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done Jury’s out for me whether he did anything wrong. He has apparently paid the £91k shortfall. And his net worth is £40M so he’s been paying tax What is beyond annoying; Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesperson, described the issue as "a minor administrative error"." Rayner paid the 40k shortfall… so if paying what was owed is your standard then what is the between Rayner and tice? Rayner even referred herself to the parliament ethics committee… and even they found she had not done anything intentionally wrong! | |||
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"Rayner paid the 40k shortfall…" Do you have a source for that? Everything I can see online says that the HMRC investigation is not yet complete, and there is no mention of her having paid anything. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies. " This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies. This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit." denying that there is a connection has been done to death. | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done Jury’s out for me whether he did anything wrong. He has apparently paid the £91k shortfall. And his net worth is £40M so he’s been paying tax What is beyond annoying; Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesperson, described the issue as "a minor administrative error". Rayner paid the 40k shortfall… so if paying what was owed is your standard then what is the between Rayner and tice? Rayner even referred herself to the parliament ethics committee… and even they found she had not done anything intentionally wrong!" I had a search for her paying the alleged owed money but can't find anything saying she has paid it. Several articles from November last year saying she has not paid yet. Most recent article I found was the independent from late last month saying she is challenging the claim and will pay anything the claim decides she owes. To me this implies she has not paid. With the situation in Iran and the Mandelson situation taking up much if the news, perhaps it's been missed. Who has reported that the money has been paid? | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done Jury’s out for me whether he did anything wrong. He has apparently paid the £91k shortfall. And his net worth is £40M so he’s been paying tax What is beyond annoying; Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesperson, described the issue as "a minor administrative error". Rayner paid the 40k shortfall… so if paying what was owed is your standard then what is the between Rayner and tice? Rayner even referred herself to the parliament ethics committee… and even they found she had not done anything intentionally wrong! I had a search for her paying the alleged owed money but can't find anything saying she has paid it. Several articles from November last year saying she has not paid yet. Most recent article I found was the independent from late last month saying she is challenging the claim and will pay anything the claim decides she owes. To me this implies she has not paid. With the situation in Iran and the Mandelson situation taking up much if the news, perhaps it's been missed. Who has reported that the money has been paid?" She is "close to resolving it". https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/angela-rayner-close-resolving-tax-affairs-new-blow-embattled-starmer-4381414 Unfortunately, some posters write optimistic stuff on their positions, then do a bit of a runner. Has happened to us when we challenged them the past few times. Hopefully you'll either get a source or an acknowledgement of bad info. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies." "This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit." "denying that there is a connection has been done to death." It's easy to deny it, because there is no connection. Those people that claim there is are usually conflating two separate definitions of "small boat problem" to make their logic work. | |||
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"Tice didn't have the mechanisms Starmer had to introduce a personalised tax law in his own name to limit his exposure to tax.... Tice is a bit of a nobber, but it's a bit of a to do about nothing. " No it isn't | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done Jury’s out for me whether he did anything wrong. He has apparently paid the £91k shortfall. And his net worth is £40M so he’s been paying tax What is beyond annoying; Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesperson, described the issue as "a minor administrative error". Rayner paid the 40k shortfall… so if paying what was owed is your standard then what is the between Rayner and tice? Rayner even referred herself to the parliament ethics committee… and even they found she had not done anything intentionally wrong! I had a search for her paying the alleged owed money but can't find anything saying she has paid it. Several articles from November last year saying she has not paid yet. Most recent article I found was the independent from late last month saying she is challenging the claim and will pay anything the claim decides she owes. To me this implies she has not paid. With the situation in Iran and the Mandelson situation taking up much if the news, perhaps it's been missed. Who has reported that the money has been paid? She is "close to resolving it". https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/angela-rayner-close-resolving-tax-affairs-new-blow-embattled-starmer-4381414 Unfortunately, some posters write optimistic stuff on their positions, then do a bit of a runner. Has happened to us when we challenged them the past few times. Hopefully you'll either get a source or an acknowledgement of bad info." They may come good with some credible evidence but like you I have noticed some people post bad information and then go quiet rather than just acknowledge they got something wrong. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies. This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit. denying that there is a connection has been done to death. It's easy to deny it, because there is no connection. Those people that claim there is are usually conflating two separate definitions of "small boat problem" to make their logic work." there is a direct connection. your resort to the usual far right gambit of following wild unsubstansiated assertions of denial with personal attacks is just more zealous grist for the far right mill and is proven to be utterly devoid of logic. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies." "This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit." "denying that there is a connection has been done to death." "It's easy to deny it, because there is no connection. Those people that claim there is are usually conflating two separate definitions of "small boat problem" to make their logic work." "there is a direct connection. your resort to the usual far right gambit of following wild unsubstansiated assertions of denial with personal attacks is just more zealous grist for the far right mill and is proven to be utterly devoid of logic." Go on then, explain what that connection is, so that we can clear this up once and for all. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies. This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit." If you are stupid that is. Anyone who can read knows better. International laws says they can carry on travelling, EU rules said they should stop in the EU country they enter via or be returned to that country. Why France used to have so many camps. But you keep dreaming of the lies you was sold. It's not like their is an EU agreement you can Google and see. Just bury head in sand brexit is the cause of loads of issues. | |||
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"... he still bangs on about boats he and his kind caused by robbing us of EU membership with utter lies." "This has been done to death in this forum. There is no connection between the number of small boats and Brexit." "If you are stupid that is. Anyone who can read knows better. International laws says they can carry on travelling" Anyone who can read *well* knows that it doesn't say that. International law says that refugees can apply in any country they find themselves in. It does not give any refugee the right to travel from one country to another. "EU rules said they should stop in the EU country they enter via or be returned to that country." No it didn't. The Dublin Regulations says that any immigrant should be dealt with by the country in which they made their first application. If they subsequently applied in other countries, they could be returned to wherever they made their first application. The regulations make no mention of the country by which the refugee entered, mostly because that would be impossible to determine. "It's not like their is an EU agreement you can Google and see." Yes there is. Look up the Dublin Regulations and see what they say. | |||
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"My bins didn't get emptied today and the cat has been sick - bloody Brexit innit!" English voting Tory caused that, ret of us don't mandate them since 1955. Camerons reduction in the size of the economy due to his botched austerity nonsense. But £580billion missing from the economy each Yr due to brexit is no help to funding our needs | |||
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"But £580billion missing from the economy each Yr due to brexit is no help to funding our needs" The UK's GDP is about $4.26tn, ahead of France at $3.59tn but behind Germany at $5.45tn. You're saying that without Brexit we'd be £580bn (or $780bn) better off each year. That would mean the economy growing at about 18% every year, giving us a GDP today of $8.94, well ahead of the rest of Europe and fast catching up on China. Does that seem like a realistic scenario to you? | |||
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"So…. Do we talk about Farage’s…. Erm… £5 million pound undeclared “gift” here as well? " It's not allowed Fabio, as he got it, whilst insisting he was not going to become an MP. He'd failed 7 times, after all  | |||
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"So…. Do we talk about Farage’s…. Erm… £5 million pound undeclared “gift” here as well?" There's no law that says normal people have to declare gifts, or payments for services, or even flat-out bribes. Since he wasn't an MP, he didn't have to declare it. And I'd be willing to bet that it wasn't actually him that received it, but rather a company that he's associated with. | |||
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"So…. Do we talk about Farage’s…. Erm… £5 million pound undeclared “gift” here as well? There's no law that says normal people have to declare gifts, or payments for services, or even flat-out bribes. Since he wasn't an MP, he didn't have to declare it. And I'd be willing to bet that it wasn't actually him that received it, but rather a company that he's associated with." Well according to Farage himself it was a personal gift….. and the reason we are likely finding it out now if that even though he was not an mp at the time of the “personal gift”.. if you do become an mp then you have to declare it if it’s over £500 within the first 12 months of you becoming an mp if the gift was within 12 months of you being elected … you have to declare it in the members book of interests He is basically trying to get in front of the story because it was likely “someone” found out and it was going to come out and it was reported .. and his is now going to be investigated by the house of commons “ethics and standards” committee for failing to comply….. | |||
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"and the reason we are likely finding it out now if that even though he was not an mp at the time of the “personal gift”.. if you do become an mp then you have to declare it if it’s over £500 within the first 12 months of you becoming an mp if the gift was within 12 months of you being elected … you have to declare it in the members book of interests He is basically trying to get in front of the story because it was likely “someone” found out and it was going to come out and it was reported .. and his is now going to be investigated by the house of commons “ethics and standards” committee for failing to comply….." Excellent! So we just need to wait for the committee report, and then we can all criticise him with facts rather than suppositions. | |||
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"The query should be with the accountants who acted on his behalf. He is hardly going to be completing his own tax returns. He has an extremely successfull career and employed numerous people in a least twelve countries. He had at least 130 different companies. We should be admiring his success and be extremely glad of everything that he has done Jury’s out for me whether he did anything wrong. He has apparently paid the £91k shortfall. And his net worth is £40M so he’s been paying tax What is beyond annoying; Zia Yusuf, Reform UK's home affairs spokesperson, described the issue as "a minor administrative error". Rayner paid the 40k shortfall… so if paying what was owed is your standard then what is the between Rayner and tice? Rayner even referred herself to the parliament ethics committee… and even they found she had not done anything intentionally wrong! I had a search for her paying the alleged owed money but can't find anything saying she has paid it. Several articles from November last year saying she has not paid yet. Most recent article I found was the independent from late last month saying she is challenging the claim and will pay anything the claim decides she owes. To me this implies she has not paid. With the situation in Iran and the Mandelson situation taking up much if the news, perhaps it's been missed. Who has reported that the money has been paid? She is "close to resolving it". https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/angela-rayner-close-resolving-tax-affairs-new-blow-embattled-starmer-4381414 Unfortunately, some posters write optimistic stuff on their positions, then do a bit of a runner. Has happened to us when we challenged them the past few times. Hopefully you'll either get a source or an acknowledgement of bad info." Looks like he is not going to provide the Angela Rayner evidence anytime soon and has diverted to another person instead. | |||
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"and the reason we are likely finding it out now if that even though he was not an mp at the time of the “personal gift”.. if you do become an mp then you have to declare it if it’s over £500 within the first 12 months of you becoming an mp if the gift was within 12 months of you being elected … you have to declare it in the members book of interests He is basically trying to get in front of the story because it was likely “someone” found out and it was going to come out and it was reported .. and his is now going to be investigated by the house of commons “ethics and standards” committee for failing to comply….. Excellent! So we just need to wait for the committee report, and then we can all criticise him with facts rather than suppositions." The evidence is a slam dunk as he has admitted the gift was within the 12 months prior… the committee is there to adjudicate if there will be any penalty for the breach (problem for Nigel is that he has previous for not declaring interests in the members book in a timely manner before.. and got a reprimand) | |||
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"and the reason we are likely finding it out now if that even though he was not an mp at the time of the “personal gift”.. if you do become an mp then you have to declare it if it’s over £500 within the first 12 months of you becoming an mp if the gift was within 12 months of you being elected … you have to declare it in the members book of interests He is basically trying to get in front of the story because it was likely “someone” found out and it was going to come out and it was reported .. and his is now going to be investigated by the house of commons “ethics and standards” committee for failing to comply….." "Excellent! So we just need to wait for the committee report, and then we can all criticise him with facts rather than suppositions." "The evidence is a slam dunk as he has admitted the gift was within the 12 months prior… the committee is there to adjudicate if there will be any penalty for the breach (problem for Nigel is that he has previous for not declaring interests in the members book in a timely manner before.. and got a reprimand)" I don't mean to be rude, but you do have a habit of coming in with definitive announcements, that later turn out to be somewhat short of the truth. If you don't mind, I'll save my criticism of Farage until after the committee has released its findings. | |||
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"and the reason we are likely finding it out now if that even though he was not an mp at the time of the “personal gift”.. if you do become an mp then you have to declare it if it’s over £500 within the first 12 months of you becoming an mp if the gift was within 12 months of you being elected … you have to declare it in the members book of interests He is basically trying to get in front of the story because it was likely “someone” found out and it was going to come out and it was reported .. and his is now going to be investigated by the house of commons “ethics and standards” committee for failing to comply….. Excellent! So we just need to wait for the committee report, and then we can all criticise him with facts rather than suppositions. The evidence is a slam dunk as he has admitted the gift was within the 12 months prior… the committee is there to adjudicate if there will be any penalty for the breach (problem for Nigel is that he has previous for not declaring interests in the members book in a timely manner before.. and got a reprimand) I don't mean to be rude, but you do have a habit of coming in with definitive announcements, that later turn out to be somewhat short of the truth. If you don't mind, I'll save my criticism of Farage until after the committee has released its findings." Well you can read the guardian, or the independent, or the bbc, or channel 4 news, or the London evening standard, or LBC radio.. and that’s just on page one of the google search Or the actual interview he gave to the telegraph!.. which would you like? | |||
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" Well you can read the guardian, or the independent, or the bbc, or channel 4 news, or the London evening standard, or LBC radio.. and that’s just on page one of the google search Or the actual interview he gave to the telegraph!.. which would you like? " Which is the source for: "Rayner paid the 40k shortfall…"? | |||
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"and the reason we are likely finding it out now if that even though he was not an mp at the time of the “personal gift”.. if you do become an mp then you have to declare it if it’s over £500 within the first 12 months of you becoming an mp if the gift was within 12 months of you being elected … you have to declare it in the members book of interests He is basically trying to get in front of the story because it was likely “someone” found out and it was going to come out and it was reported .. and his is now going to be investigated by the house of commons “ethics and standards” committee for failing to comply….. Excellent! So we just need to wait for the committee report, and then we can all criticise him with facts rather than suppositions. The evidence is a slam dunk as he has admitted the gift was within the 12 months prior… the committee is there to adjudicate if there will be any penalty for the breach (problem for Nigel is that he has previous for not declaring interests in the members book in a timely manner before.. and got a reprimand) I don't mean to be rude, but you do have a habit of coming in with definitive announcements, that later turn out to be somewhat short of the truth. If you don't mind, I'll save my criticism of Farage until after the committee has released its findings. Well you can read the guardian, or the independent, or the bbc, or channel 4 news, or the London evening standard, or LBC radio.. and that’s just on page one of the google search Or the actual interview he gave to the telegraph!.. which would you like? " Opinion is not fact, is it? | |||
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" Opinion is not fact, is it?" If the person involved kops to the gift in an interview he gave … is that still opinion? | |||
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" Opinion is not fact, is it? If the person involved kops to the gift in an interview he gave … is that still opinion? " I’m not disputing facts. I’m saying the conclusion is still an opinion until the findings confirm it. | |||
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"Opinion is not fact, is it?" "If the person involved kops to the gift in an interview he gave … is that still opinion?" Farage has "kopped" to a personal gift which, as stated in the Guardian article you quoted, does not need to be declared. I'll wait for the committee's verdict before jumping to conclusions. | |||
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"Opinion is not fact, is it? If the person involved kops to the gift in an interview he gave … is that still opinion? Farage has "kopped" to a personal gift which, as stated in the Guardian article you quoted, does not need to be declared. I'll wait for the committee's verdict before jumping to conclusions." I think you missed a bit….. Parliamentary rules state that any benefits should be declared for the 12 months before taking up office as an MP, depending on whether it was for political or personal purposes. The rules state: “If there is ANY doubt, the benefit should be registered.” | |||
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"Opinion is not fact, is it?" "If the person involved kops to the gift in an interview he gave … is that still opinion?" "Farage has "kopped" to a personal gift which, as stated in the Guardian article you quoted, does not need to be declared. I'll wait for the committee's verdict before jumping to conclusions." "I think you missed a bit….. Parliamentary rules state that any benefits should be declared for the 12 months before taking up office as an MP, depending on whether it was for political or personal purposes. The rules state: “If there is ANY doubt, the benefit should be registered.”" I'm sure Farage has no doubt that the gift was for personal purposes. Whether the committee will agree we'll find out in due course. Just to be clear here, I'm not defending Farage or saying he's innocent. I'm just saying that you have form for reading biased news sources and interpreting them in a way that suits your pre-conceived ideas. But since my message is not getting through, I shall leave here and return when the committee's verdict is known. | |||
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