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"Why would you be a Leftie to object to a foreign country trying to drag you into a war that they started and have no idea how to finish. Do you need to be a leftie to find the idea of our young men coming home in coffins an abomination ? Or to find the other country who have done their damnest to destroy trade agreements and threaten to attack another NATO country as basically a rogue state. I think of myself as patriotic what do those who back the rogue country consider themselves? " You wouldn’t need to be. But if you are, you do. I have friends on both sides of the political divide. If I want a survey showing “most of my friends think Starmer is a wanker” or “most of my friends think Labour are doing a great job, I just speak to different friends and I can get the survey result I want. It’s not rocket science | |||
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"Why would you be a Leftie to object to a foreign country trying to drag you into a war that they started and have no idea how to finish. Do you need to be a leftie to find the idea of our young men coming home in coffins an abomination ? Or to find the other country who have done their damnest to destroy trade agreements and threaten to attack another NATO country as basically a rogue state. I think of myself as patriotic what do those who back the rogue country consider themselves? " If you are not at least centre right, you are a radical lefty to these lunatics. | |||
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"OMG Americans need to immediately change their ways because some Lefties in irrelevant Europe say so. " An ever increasing majority of Americans disagree with him too | |||
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""I haven't read the article and I don't know any of the methodology of the poll but it's clearly all a bunch of lefties" is some next-level coping mechanism 🤣🤣🤣" It's trumpism, if you don't like the data you cry it's fake 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Why would you be a Leftie to object to a foreign country trying to drag you into a war that they started and have no idea how to finish. Do you need to be a leftie to find the idea of our young men coming home in coffins an abomination ? Or to find the other country who have done their damnest to destroy trade agreements and threaten to attack another NATO country as basically a rogue state. I think of myself as patriotic what do those who back the rogue country consider themselves? If you are not at least centre right, you are a radical lefty to these lunatics. " If you’re not ultra far left you’re a far right Nazi to these lunatics | |||
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""I haven't read the article and I don't know any of the methodology of the poll but it's clearly all a bunch of lefties" is some next-level coping mechanism 🤣🤣🤣" It’s a shame you felt unable to quote me and preferred to just make something up that suites your narrative. But I’m used to that in here. Why let facts get in the way of some name calling | |||
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""I haven't read the article and I don't know any of the methodology of the poll but it's clearly all a bunch of lefties" is some next-level coping mechanism 🤣🤣🤣 It’s a shame you felt unable to quote me and preferred to just make something up that suites your narrative. But I’m used to that in here. Why let facts get in the way of some name calling " Maybe next time actually read and article before commenting on it? | |||
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" But I’m used to that in here. Why let facts get in the way of some name calling " Break out the nano-violins for the I'M THE REAL VICTIM Orchestra 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"Is this the same group of lefties sky always ask for their option? I’ve not read the article by the way, no real interest, even if it was stating the opposite. I just think these types of article are pointless clickbait. " But is really pointless click bait I mean…. If I was paying 40p a ltr more for petrol… or 60p a ltr more for diesel.. I think I might just a little pissed off when the war hasn’t really achieved anything….. | |||
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""I haven't read the article and I don't know any of the methodology of the poll but it's clearly all a bunch of lefties" is some next-level coping mechanism 🤣🤣🤣 It’s a shame you felt unable to quote me and preferred to just make something up that suites your narrative. But I’m used to that in here. Why let facts get in the way of some name calling Maybe next time actually read and article before commenting on it?" No. What a fascist outlook. I’ll comment on anything I like, I don’t need your permission. | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking." Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. " What a load of absolute shite | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking." Other general views amongst Republicans are that Trump won the 2020 election, that wind turbines cause cancer and that immigrants are responsible for most crime. Unfortunately you can't fix stupid and it's rarely worth trying. | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. " Sadly I think you are right. It’s not good enough for people like Starmer and Nutjob Miliband to cause so much damage and then just move on to some international quango or public sector job as though nothing has happened. We are going to need Nuremberg style trials for these people. | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. " Why would Starmer (a boring, middle aged, centre left politician) want to start shooting people holding a British flag? | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. What a load of absolute shite " no more than some of the unhinged nonsense you post  | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. What a load of absolute shite "  | |||
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"Some posters on here have exposed themselves as the kind of deluded kool aid drinkers that spout obvious lies and are happy to run down anyone on the left of the rabid right wing views they share There will always be some among us who find those views agreeable as it means that their hatred and bile is not just eating away at their own lack of humanity but is a shared experience " I fear my irony meter has exploded. | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. What a load of absolute shite " We’d all hope so. But think about some of things that have happened or are happening…. Digital ID. Numerous poll showing 98% against, the largest petition ever in the history of parliament petitions but they say they will carry on anyway. How is that democracy? And by the way, they are still carrying on with it via the back door. Anyone who is a company director has to have digital ID to access companies house. It’s compulsory. When you renew your drivers license online you need digital id, it’s compulsory. Cancelled elections, despite overwhelming public objections. We’re carrying on. Until it was shown to be illegal, that’s all that stopped them. Jury trials. Despite virtual 100% of the people who work in the criminal justice system saying not only was it a bad idea but that it won’t reduce waiting times, despite both Starmer himself and Lammy previously saying it’s an infringement of civil rights and would lead to miscarriages of justice, they are gonna do it anyway. Taking the British people to court and publicly stating that asylum seekers living in 4 star hotels and getting all the perks we all know they get, are more important to them than British people. And the fuel crisis. Their only response to help anyone has been to give benefit recipients even more money. There will be transport companies losing money right now, buses, schools transport, taxi, all the couriers, anyone delivering anything, plus people on minimum wage who will be better off staying at home on benefits cos they can’t afford the fuel. They work for us, we don’t work for them. Please give another explanation as to why they are pushing people towards civil disobedience and unrest? And you think they won’t come down hard like they did after the dance school incidents? Riot police beating the shit out of everyone with steel batons first, which will make things worse. Then armed troops. How many people have to be injured or killed before this dictator is brought down? | |||
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"Sadly Britain is becoming less popular with Americans too. The general view certainly amongst Republicans is that the UK is a failing state. Militarily it’s a laughing stock. People are getting locked up for saying stuff the government doesn’t approve off. Economic collapse. Like the rest of Europe the UK has committed cultural suicide. Starmer is just another no mark dead man walking. Starmer wants the people to take the same action here as they are in Ireland so he can put troops on the streets to start shooting anyone holding a Union flag, a St George cross or the Star of David. Anyone flying the Iranian or Palestinian flags will be fine of course, they will be well protected. We just need to sit it out and suck it up for 3 years. Then hopefully Starmer will be tried for treason. What a load of absolute shite We’d all hope so. But think about some of things that have happened or are happening…. Digital ID. Numerous poll showing 98% against, the largest petition ever in the history of parliament petitions but they say they will carry on anyway. How is that democracy? And by the way, they are still carrying on with it via the back door. Anyone who is a company director has to have digital ID to access companies house. It’s compulsory. When you renew your drivers license online you need digital id, it’s compulsory. Cancelled elections, despite overwhelming public objections. We’re carrying on. Until it was shown to be illegal, that’s all that stopped them. Jury trials. Despite virtual 100% of the people who work in the criminal justice system saying not only was it a bad idea but that it won’t reduce waiting times, despite both Starmer himself and Lammy previously saying it’s an infringement of civil rights and would lead to miscarriages of justice, they are gonna do it anyway. Taking the British people to court and publicly stating that asylum seekers living in 4 star hotels and getting all the perks we all know they get, are more important to them than British people. And the fuel crisis. Their only response to help anyone has been to give benefit recipients even more money. There will be transport companies losing money right now, buses, schools transport, taxi, all the couriers, anyone delivering anything, plus people on minimum wage who will be better off staying at home on benefits cos they can’t afford the fuel. They work for us, we don’t work for them. Please give another explanation as to why they are pushing people towards civil disobedience and unrest? And you think they won’t come down hard like they did after the dance school incidents? Riot police beating the shit out of everyone with steel batons first, which will make things worse. Then armed troops. How many people have to be injured or killed before this dictator is brought down? " You ever think you spend too much time being conditioned by social media. The UK is a much better place to live than many other countries. You could be under a real dictator like trump, Starmer can't unilaterally do anything except live in people's heads | |||
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" Digital ID. Numerous poll showing 98% against, the largest petition ever in the history of parliament petitions but they say they will carry on anyway. How is that democracy? And by the way, they are still carrying on with it via the back door. Anyone who is a company director has to have digital ID to access companies house. It’s compulsory. When you renew your drivers license online you need digital id, it’s compulsory. " You are aware the requirement for directors to prove they are real people was introduced by Priti Patel in 2023? I think it is a more than sensible that people running companies need to prove who they actually are. As a director I have absolutely no problem with this. | |||
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" Digital ID. Numerous poll showing 98% against, the largest petition ever in the history of parliament petitions but they say they will carry on anyway. How is that democracy? And by the way, they are still carrying on with it via the back door. Anyone who is a company director has to have digital ID to access companies house. It’s compulsory. When you renew your drivers license online you need digital id, it’s compulsory. You are aware the requirement for directors to prove they are real people was introduced by Priti Patel in 2023? I think it is a more than sensible that people running companies need to prove who they actually are. As a director I have absolutely no problem with this." Mandatory digital ID was introduced last year for companies house. I too am a company director. Probably still got the emails informing me of the date. | |||
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" Digital ID. Numerous poll showing 98% against, the largest petition ever in the history of parliament petitions but they say they will carry on anyway. How is that democracy? And by the way, they are still carrying on with it via the back door. Anyone who is a company director has to have digital ID to access companies house. It’s compulsory. When you renew your drivers license online you need digital id, it’s compulsory. You are aware the requirement for directors to prove they are real people was introduced by Priti Patel in 2023? I think it is a more than sensible that people running companies need to prove who they actually are. As a director I have absolutely no problem with this. Mandatory digital ID was introduced last year for companies house. I too am a company director. Probably still got the emails informing me of the date. " The actual requirement for mandatory id comes from the Economic Crime and Corporate Transparency Act 2023 introduced by the Tories. | |||
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"OMG Americans need to immediately change their ways because some Lefties in irrelevant Europe say so. " Patriotism clear to see | |||
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" Digital ID. Numerous poll showing 98% against, the largest petition ever in the history of parliament petitions but they say they will carry on anyway. How is that democracy? And by the way, they are still carrying on with it via the back door. Anyone who is a company director has to have digital ID to access companies house. It’s compulsory. When you renew your drivers license online you need digital id, it’s compulsory. You are aware the requirement for directors to prove they are real people was introduced by Priti Patel in 2023? I think it is a more than sensible that people running companies need to prove who they actually are. As a director I have absolutely no problem with this. Mandatory digital ID was introduced last year for companies house. I too am a company director. Probably still got the emails informing me of the date. " Life better yet? Almost as if you need 14 years to fix a fucked up country | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. " Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not." What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. " Would you be happy too, if herded up by ICE, thrown for months into one of their makeshift prison camps, as a foreign person? | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. " So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. Would you be happy too, if herded up by ICE, thrown for months into one of their makeshift prison camps, as a foreign person? " Have your paperwork correct and there will be no problem. Only the left have problems with it. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here?" Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. " So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again." They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. " So detail for me please the legal route of a refugee to come to the UK. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again." The US gets away with it 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Trump warns UK trade deal ‘can always be changed’ with relations in ‘sad state’" Yeah whatever. Let’s rejoin the EU then. | |||
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"Trump warns UK trade deal ‘can always be changed’ with relations in ‘sad state’ Yeah whatever. Let’s rejoin the EU then." Maybe reinstate the £500bn lost trade since leaving? | |||
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"Trump warns UK trade deal ‘can always be changed’ with relations in ‘sad state’ Yeah whatever. Let’s rejoin the EU then." If political parties want to rejoin the EU they should put it in their next General Election manifesto and be clear about the terms they have agreed with the EU for rejoining. | |||
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"Trump warns UK trade deal ‘can always be changed’ with relations in ‘sad state’ Yeah whatever. Let’s rejoin the EU then. If political parties want to rejoin the EU they should put it in their next General Election manifesto and be clear about the terms they have agreed with the EU for rejoining." They absolutely should do I agree. Meanwhile: Right to leave: 30% Wrong to leave: 58% (Jan 2026) Looks ‘generally’ like a vote winner to me. | |||
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"Trump warns UK trade deal ‘can always be changed’ with relations in ‘sad state’ Yeah whatever. Let’s rejoin the EU then. If political parties want to rejoin the EU they should put it in their next General Election manifesto and be clear about the terms they have agreed with the EU for rejoining." Easy way to win a GE. | |||
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"Trump warns UK trade deal ‘can always be changed’ with relations in ‘sad state’ Yeah whatever. Let’s rejoin the EU then. If political parties want to rejoin the EU they should put it in their next General Election manifesto and be clear about the terms they have agreed with the EU for rejoining. Easy way to win a GE." I guess we will find out. Given that only 1-2% of the electorate actually regard the EU as an issue at all. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. So detail for me please the legal route of a refugee to come to the UK." Legally it’s easy to apply. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. " America is a shit hole for most apart from the extremely wealthy? | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. Would you be happy too, if herded up by ICE, thrown for months into one of their makeshift prison camps, as a foreign person? Have your paperwork correct and there will be no problem. Only the left have problems with it. " What does that even mean? Lol!! It's you and people like you who don't understand the refugee crisis. It is lawful to seek asylum without papers | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. So detail for me please the legal route of a refugee to come to the UK. Legally it’s easy to apply. " How??? | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. America is a shit hole for most apart from the extremely wealthy? You would have been a fine subject for the research that the IEA has published this week. Research question: “Compared to the US states, where do you think Britain ranks in terms of average incomes”? British respondents’ estimates: 7th out of 50 US states Actual position: 51st. Still I guess if you base your “opinions” on zero knowledge that’s where you end up. " Average income needs to be matched against average expenditure - which is far higher in the US. The "average" element also overlooks the huge wealth disparity in the US, where "average" now means very little. Here's an easy test for you - if you were very poor and very sick, would you rather be in the UK or the US? | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. So detail for me please the legal route of a refugee to come to the UK. Legally it’s easy to apply. How???" Are you not understanding the application process. We have embassies and online and lawyers that can do it for you Legally. It’s not hard if you qualify. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. So detail for me please the legal route of a refugee to come to the UK. Legally it’s easy to apply. How??? Are you not understanding the application process. We have embassies and online and lawyers that can do it for you Legally. It’s not hard if you qualify. " Who told you that? | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not)" This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. | |||
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"Legally it’s easy to apply." "How???" "Are you not understanding the application process. We have embassies and online and lawyers that can do it for you Legally. It’s not hard if you qualify." You can't apply for asylum at an embassy. That only works for high level spies and cultural icons, and even then only if we think the propaganda value is worth it. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not) This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. " You've managed to squeeze all the Far Right tropes and ralking points into one paragraph. Congrats. Maybe add something about protecting our women next time, tho | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not) This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. You've managed to squeeze all the Far Right tropes and ralking points into one paragraph. Congrats. Maybe add something about protecting our women next time, tho " Not far right just Right. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. So detail for me please the legal route of a refugee to come to the UK. Legally it’s easy to apply. How??? Are you not understanding the application process. We have embassies and online and lawyers that can do it for you Legally. It’s not hard if you qualify. " That's not what embassies are for | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not) This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. " Lol, how many far right talking points can you fit in a paragraph | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not) This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. Lol, how many far right talking points can you fit in a paragraph " Not far right just right. The left are the wrong uns. The left ideology is very wrong an will be the downfall of the planet. | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not) This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. Lol, how many far right talking points can you fit in a paragraph Not far right just right. The left are the wrong uns. The left ideology is very wrong an will be the downfall of the planet. " Pretty sure that's global warming. And it's the right who fetishise oil | |||
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"As a Brit I am more than happy with the way the USA is heading. If only our leaders believed the same as making America great again. If I had the ability to now move to the USA I would take that opportunity with both hands. Can't tell whether sarcasm or not. What I said is what I 100% believe. No sarcasm just straight forward facts. So what specific policies do you like that you think should be brought here? Commit a crime and get removed from the country. Illegal immigration be removed. Make the UK great again it is currently a shithole waiting to fall down a really bad path for the original people of the UK. So anyone who commits a crime should be deported? I don't think we can use Australia for that anymore. Refusing entry to refugees seems like a quick route to being a global pariah. Seems like you'd like to make Britain nasty again. They are coming from France this is the problem. Last time I checked France isn’t a war zone. If you can’t see the problem you are part of it. They aren't coming from France, it's not the French seeking asylum, they travel through France.....see the difference (probably not) This is the problem we are allowing people in that have come through safe countries to get in to ours and ponce off our fucked up government. All of us are paying this price of letting fighting age men in to our country inverted an the left ideology doesn’t want to see the real problem till it’s too late. Lol, how many far right talking points can you fit in a paragraph Not far right just right. The left are the wrong uns. The left ideology is very wrong an will be the downfall of the planet. " I'd love to know what THE left ideology is | |||
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"I'd love to know what THE left ideology is" "Feed the poor and needy......I wonder what religious figure also preached such teachings" Is that it, just feed them? So "the left" don't ask us to clothe them or house them, or provide free health care, or nationalise the railways? | |||
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" No one is asking you to do these things, although I'm intrigued, you don't think that universal healthcare is a right? " No, but it's a bloody good idea. Governments do well to force their citizens to pay for it. But it's a privilege. Then it becomes more like a contract. If it were a right, then boatloads of sick people could turn up and demand to be treated. " You'd rather a US style system?" It's dysfunctional because of cronyism and corruption, mostly. | |||
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"I'd love to know what THE left ideology is" "Feed the poor and needy......I wonder what religious figure also preached such teachings" "Is that it, just feed them? So "the left" don't ask us to clothe them or house them, or provide free health care, or nationalise the railways?" "No one is asking you to do these things, although I'm intrigued, you don't think that universal healthcare is a right? You'd rather a US style system?" I wasn't making any comment on the NHS (or the railways), I was just surprised that the bloke above was asked about left ideology and he only listed the one thing. I would bet that the majority of left leaning people want more than just that the poor and needy are fed. But to quibble with your post slightly, I agree that no one is asking me to do these things. However tax is taken from me and used to improve the lives of others. So in reality I am demanded to do those things whether I agree with it or not. | |||
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" No one is asking you to do these things, although I'm intrigued, you don't think that universal healthcare is a right? You'd rather a US style system?" There is a difference between a negative right and a positive right. A negative right is your ability to do something without being hindered by the government or the society in general. Like freedom of speech, right to practice religion, sexuality, etc. A positive right is something you expect from the rest of the society. Like healthcare, unemployment benefits. In practice, positive rights are privileges. You usually get it as long is the society is capable of providing that to you. But if the economy of the country is not doing well, the positive rights eventually become difficult or impossible to provide for. | |||
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"If being a lefty means you can see through the bullshit and show compassion for a fellow human being, whatever their status iir ccircumstance, then so be it....because I know exactly what being a righty is, and it's not particularly nice. " So what do you feel that being a righty is? | |||
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" If being a lefty means you can see through the bullshit and show compassion for a fellow human being, whatever their status iir ccircumstance, then so be it....because I know exactly what being a righty is, and it's not particularly nice. " I have seen lots of lefties TALK about compassion. But I have hardly seen anyone willing to open their own wallets to help others or pay more taxes. I am sorry to say this, but talking about compassion to others doesn't mean you are really compassionate. | |||
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"If being a lefty means you can see through the bullshit and show compassion for a fellow human being, whatever their status iir ccircumstance, then so be it....because I know exactly what being a righty is, and it's not particularly nice. So what do you feel that being a righty is?" A flag shagging, self obsessed, ignorant culture warrior? | |||
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"OMG Americans need to immediately change their ways because some Lefties in irrelevant Europe say so. " Yes nothing wrong with murder and maiming from afar.. And then u have anti women and anti gay anti black president..but hey he has ur support | |||
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"OMG Americans need to immediately change their ways because some Lefties in irrelevant Europe say so. Yes nothing wrong with murder and maiming from afar.. And then u have anti women and anti gay anti black president..but hey he has ur support" 200,000 tonnes or USA ordnance have fallen on Gaza, Lebanon and Iran. 80,000 dead, 300,000 injured, 39,000 orphans, 6 million displaced. | |||
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" If being a lefty means you can see through the bullshit and show compassion for a fellow human being, whatever their status iir ccircumstance, then so be it....because I know exactly what being a righty is, and it's not particularly nice. I have seen lots of lefties TALK about compassion. But I have hardly seen anyone willing to open their own wallets to help others or pay more taxes. I am sorry to say this, but talking about compassion to others doesn't mean you are really compassionate." Not how taxes work. A single person can do less than nothing. That's why you need a wide tax base and then progressively taking more from the wealthiest. It's collectivism, something the right struggle with. It's about us helping others collectively. Not being selfish and thinking any one individual can do it alone. | |||
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"compassion. But I have hardly seen anyone willing to open their own wallets to help others or pay more taxes. I am sorry to say this, but talking about compassion to others doesn't mean you are really compassionate." "Not how taxes work. A single person can do less than nothing. That's why you need a wide tax base and then progressively taking more from the wealthiest. It's collectivism, something the right struggle with. It's about us helping others collectively. Not being selfish and thinking any one individual can do it alone." So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism. | |||
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"compassion. But I have hardly seen anyone willing to open their own wallets to help others or pay more taxes. I am sorry to say this, but talking about compassion to others doesn't mean you are really compassionate. Not how taxes work. A single person can do less than nothing. That's why you need a wide tax base and then progressively taking more from the wealthiest. It's collectivism, something the right struggle with. It's about us helping others collectively. Not being selfish and thinking any one individual can do it alone. So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism." As a liberal in every sense of the word. No That sounds Draconian and typical of the right punitive | |||
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"So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism." "As a liberal in every sense of the word. No That sounds Draconian and typical of the right punitive" OK, so how about if I remove the punitive element of the public register. Will it get your support now? | |||
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"So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism. As a liberal in every sense of the word. No That sounds Draconian and typical of the right punitive OK, so how about if I remove the punitive element of the public register. Will it get your support now?" Not how taxes work. It's not a tax if it's voluntary it's charity | |||
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"So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism." "As a liberal in every sense of the word. No That sounds Draconian and typical of the right punitive" "OK, so how about if I remove the punitive element of the public register. Will it get your support now?" "Not how taxes work. It's not a tax if it's voluntary it's charity " If the government are collecting it via PAYE, it's a tax. Germany has a religion tax where you pay an amount according to which religion you are registered as belonging to. Why can't we have a similar arrangement where people register as collectivists and pay taxes accordingly? What's wrong with that idea? | |||
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"So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism. As a liberal in every sense of the word. No That sounds Draconian and typical of the right punitive OK, so how about if I remove the punitive element of the public register. Will it get your support now? Not how taxes work. It's not a tax if it's voluntary it's charity If the government are collecting it via PAYE, it's a tax. Germany has a religion tax where you pay an amount according to which religion you are registered as belonging to. Why can't we have a similar arrangement where people register as collectivists and pay taxes accordingly? What's wrong with that idea?" Sounds horrific, what do atheists or agnostics pay? If you have to voluntary pay for it doesn't matter where or how it's taken that isn't a tax, it's charity. Tax is everyone pays collectively for the good of the nation. | |||
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" If being a lefty means you can see through the bullshit and show compassion for a fellow human being, whatever their status iir ccircumstance, then so be it....because I know exactly what being a righty is, and it's not particularly nice. I have seen lots of lefties TALK about compassion. But I have hardly seen anyone willing to open their own wallets to help others or pay more taxes. I am sorry to say this, but talking about compassion to others doesn't mean you are really compassionate. Not how taxes work. A single person can do less than nothing. That's why you need a wide tax base and then progressively taking more from the wealthiest. " My point still stands. Even with tax, the ones who pay the taxes are the ones who are compassionate. The ones who go around speaking left wing politics aren't. Unless you make a personal sacrifice to the cause, you have nothing to show for and prove your compassion. The ones who just go around talking about it without doing anything personally are just frauds pretending to be compassionate. " It's collectivism, something the right struggle with. It's about us helping others collectively. Not being selfish and thinking any one individual can do it alone." Of course you all care about helping others collectively. Nothing about hatred and envy at all 
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"So you'd support a voluntary tax, where those that sign up pay an extra 2%, and those that don't get their name on a public register. Then everyone can see who's being selfish, and we can all see just how much support there is for collectivism. As a liberal in every sense of the word. No That sounds Draconian and typical of the right punitive OK, so how about if I remove the punitive element of the public register. Will it get your support now? Not how taxes work. It's not a tax if it's voluntary it's charity If the government are collecting it via PAYE, it's a tax. Germany has a religion tax where you pay an amount according to which religion you are registered as belonging to. Why can't we have a similar arrangement where people register as collectivists and pay taxes accordingly? What's wrong with that idea?" So this would be extra on top of normal tax but you can support something you care about ? There would need to be some accountability to show the money is being used as requested and not just going into the main pot | |||
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"Germany has a religion tax where you pay an amount according to which religion you are registered as belonging to. Why can't we have a similar arrangement where people register as collectivists and pay taxes accordingly? What's wrong with that idea?" "Sounds horrific, what do atheists or agnostics pay?" Last time I looked atheists paid 0%, Muslims 0.25%, and Catholics 2%. The religions chose how much is levied. "If you have to voluntary pay for it doesn't matter where or how it's taken that isn't a tax, it's charity. Tax is everyone pays collectively for the good of the nation." Technically everyone pays German religion tax, it's just that some people pay it at 0%. But let's not argue over names, would you be in favour of such a charity scheme, run by the government with 'contributions' collected via PAYE, and used by the government purely for social causes? | |||
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" If being a lefty means you can see through the bullshit and show compassion for a fellow human being, whatever their status iir ccircumstance, then so be it....because I know exactly what being a righty is, and it's not particularly nice. I have seen lots of lefties TALK about compassion. But I have hardly seen anyone willing to open their own wallets to help others or pay more taxes. I am sorry to say this, but talking about compassion to others doesn't mean you are really compassionate. Not how taxes work. A single person can do less than nothing. That's why you need a wide tax base and then progressively taking more from the wealthiest. My point still stands. Even with tax, the ones who pay the taxes are the ones who are compassionate. The ones who go around speaking left wing politics aren't. Unless you make a personal sacrifice to the cause, you have nothing to show for and prove your compassion. The ones who just go around talking about it without doing anything personally are just frauds pretending to be compassionate. It's collectivism, something the right struggle with. It's about us helping others collectively. Not being selfish and thinking any one individual can do it alone. Of course you all care about helping others collectively. Nothing about hatred and envy at all
If the left wingers were really as compassionate as they claim to be, USSR and Maoist China would have been the greatest utopia now. Instead they ended up killing tens of millions of people by starvation and outright murder. So much for compassion "1. How would you know? Would we all have to wear badges or flags of the charity or cause we contributed to? Hatred and envy?? Of who? What are you on about? 2. Yeah communism is a non starter and those leaders were evil scum. Not sure what the point your trying to make here is? Because I believe in the redistribution of wealth to help the poorest get on makes me some sort of Maoist?? | |||
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"Germany has a religion tax where you pay an amount according to which religion you are registered as belonging to. Why can't we have a similar arrangement where people register as collectivists and pay taxes accordingly? What's wrong with that idea?" "So this would be extra on top of normal tax but you can support something you care about ? There would need to be some accountability to show the money is being used as requested and not just going into the main pot" It would be an additional amount on top of normal tax. Yes, there would need to be rules and accountability, but for the sake of argument we can assume that the money is all spent on worthy causes. | |||
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"Germany has a religion tax where you pay an amount according to which religion you are registered as belonging to. Why can't we have a similar arrangement where people register as collectivists and pay taxes accordingly? What's wrong with that idea? Sounds horrific, what do atheists or agnostics pay? Last time I looked atheists paid 0%, Muslims 0.25%, and Catholics 2%. The religions chose how much is levied. If you have to voluntary pay for it doesn't matter where or how it's taken that isn't a tax, it's charity. Tax is everyone pays collectively for the good of the nation. Technically everyone pays German religion tax, it's just that some people pay it at 0%. But let's not argue over names, would you be in favour of such a charity scheme, run by the government with 'contributions' collected via PAYE, and used by the government purely for social causes?" I'm confused, are you asking me if I think we should pay more tax via PAYE? | |||
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" 1. How would you know? Would we all have to wear badges or flags of the charity or cause we contributed to? Hatred and envy?? Of who? What are you on about? " People who are compassionate towards others do it to get validation/praise from others for their act. That's pettiness. Left wingers are frauds who have zero compassion to the poor. They just mask their envy for people richer than them by claiming that they want to take tax away from "those rich people" to help others. As I said many times before, if you are compassionate, you will open your own wallet. You won't expect others to do so. " 2. Yeah communism is a non starter and those leaders were evil scum. Not sure what the point your trying to make here is? Because I believe in the redistribution of wealth to help the poorest get on makes me some sort of Maoist??" You said "collectivism". How is collectivism supposed to be achieved? If lots of people say they are unwilling to pay more taxes, how will you achieve collectivism? | |||
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"I'm confused, are you asking me if I think we should pay more tax via PAYE?" I don't think you are confused. You just don't want to admit that such a scheme would be an abject failure because very few people would ever sign up for it. There just isn't the support for collectivism, and you know that. | |||
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" 1. How would you know? Would we all have to wear badges or flags of the charity or cause we contributed to? Hatred and envy?? Of who? What are you on about? People who are compassionate towards others do it to get validation/praise from others for their act. That's pettiness. Left wingers are frauds who have zero compassion to the poor. They just mask their envy for people richer than them by claiming that they want to take tax away from "those rich people" to help others. As I said many times before, if you are compassionate, you will open your own wallet. You won't expect others to do so. 2. Yeah communism is a non starter and those leaders were evil scum. Not sure what the point your trying to make here is? Because I believe in the redistribution of wealth to help the poorest get on makes me some sort of Maoist?? You said "collectivism". How is collectivism supposed to be achieved? If lots of people say they are unwilling to pay more taxes, how will you achieve collectivism?" I hope we all give a few pennies to worthy causes. But your proclamation here shows the problem with your want. You have no idea what I do or don't give or to what charities. And it still gives you the freedom to scream that I'm selfish. Because I have no way of proving you right or wrong. Once again you've driven us into a cul de sac Well, tax is collectivism, the state imposes it on you. It's no more complicated than that | |||
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"I'm confused, are you asking me if I think we should pay more tax via PAYE? I don't think you are confused. You just don't want to admit that such a scheme would be an abject failure because very few people would ever sign up for it. There just isn't the support for collectivism, and you know that." Taxation is collectivism, you just look at it from the wrong angle. | |||
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" I hope we all give a few pennies to worthy causes. But your proclamation here shows the problem with your want. You have no idea what I do or don't give or to what charities. And it still gives you the freedom to scream that I'm selfish. Because I have no way of proving you right or wrong. Once again you've driven us into a cul de sac " Oh the left wingers do have an easy way to prove it. According to the left wing clowns, taxation and government run welfare is better than charity. Guess what? The government does allow you to voluntarily pay more taxes. And past I checked, they received about £1500 for a whole year. If the online "compassionate" left wingers actually put their money where their mouth is, the government coffers would be overflowing with the voluntary tax paid. The fact that it hasn't happened shows that, they are frauds. " Well, tax is collectivism, the state imposes it on you. It's no more complicated than that " It is. So you are saying that tax has to be forced out of people even if they are unwilling to pay? If yes, why the hell are you calling yourself a "liberal"? | |||
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" I hope we all give a few pennies to worthy causes. But your proclamation here shows the problem with your want. You have no idea what I do or don't give or to what charities. And it still gives you the freedom to scream that I'm selfish. Because I have no way of proving you right or wrong. Once again you've driven us into a cul de sac Oh the left wingers do have an easy way to prove it. According to the left wing clowns, taxation and government run welfare is better than charity. Guess what? The government does allow you to voluntarily pay more taxes. And past I checked, they received about £1500 for a whole year. If the online "compassionate" left wingers actually put their money where their mouth is, the government coffers would be overflowing with the voluntary tax paid. The fact that it hasn't happened shows that, they are frauds. Well, tax is collectivism, the state imposes it on you. It's no more complicated than that It is. So you are saying that tax has to be forced out of people even if they are unwilling to pay? If yes, why the hell are you calling yourself a "liberal"?" 1. That's just evidence that "voluntary" taxation doesn't work! 2. Tax is the states way of funding it self and yes it is imposed on everyone which makes it collectivism. We all pay in to get roads, schools, hospitals. Army,MI5, MI6, street lights all the good stuff we all share and keep us safe. Even liberals have to fund the state. | |||
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" 1. That's just evidence that "voluntary" taxation doesn't work! " It's also evidence that left wingers are frauds who do not want to pay money out of their own pockets. " 2. Tax is the states way of funding it self and yes it is imposed on everyone which makes it collectivism. We all pay in to get roads, schools, hospitals. Army,MI5, MI6, street lights all the good stuff we all share and keep us safe. Even liberals have to fund the state." Funding infrastructure is one thing. But funding charity is another. Either way, you sneered on the communists. But then "collectivism" needs authoritarianism, which is what I am trying to say. The more collectivist you want to get, the more authoritarian you will be, eventually reaching the point where Stalin and Mao reached. | |||
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" 1. That's just evidence that "voluntary" taxation doesn't work! It's also evidence that left wingers are frauds who do not want to pay money out of their own pockets. 2. Tax is the states way of funding it self and yes it is imposed on everyone which makes it collectivism. We all pay in to get roads, schools, hospitals. Army,MI5, MI6, street lights all the good stuff we all share and keep us safe. Even liberals have to fund the state. Funding infrastructure is one thing. But funding charity is another. Either way, you sneered on the communists. But then "collectivism" needs authoritarianism, which is what I am trying to say. The more collectivist you want to get, the more authoritarian you will be, eventually reaching the point where Stalin and Mao reached." If it helps you sleep and reinforces your biases go right ahead. No it doesn't taxation is mentioned in the bible so we can confidently say that whoever wrote that book 2000 years ago knew the state needs funding. And most countries haven't ended up as Communists. | |||
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" If it helps you sleep and reinforces your biases go right ahead. " You literally have evidence here. Left wingers want more taxes to be collected. And yet when the government allows them to pay more taxes, they don't do so. They just want others to pay more taxes. " No it doesn't taxation is mentioned in the bible so we can confidently say that whoever wrote that book 2000 years ago knew the state needs funding. And most countries haven't ended up as Communists." Sure, the only successful communist societies are the small religious communities like the Christian communes where they do follow the rule that everyone owns everything. It works because people are promised something bigger than their material lives and hence they are willing to sacrifice their material interests. If you are trying to impose "collectivism" through government, do people willingly giving money for it or does the government force them to pay against their will? People are generally happy to pay the government for infrastructure. But not for charity. So you need authoritarianism at some level to do this. If you need more and more wealth redistribution, it gets more and more authoritarian and eventually become a Stalinist or Maoist society. | |||
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" If it helps you sleep and reinforces your biases go right ahead. You literally have evidence here. Left wingers want more taxes to be collected. And yet when the government allows them to pay more taxes, they don't do so. They just want others to pay more taxes. No it doesn't taxation is mentioned in the bible so we can confidently say that whoever wrote that book 2000 years ago knew the state needs funding. And most countries haven't ended up as Communists. Sure, the only successful communist societies are the small religious communities like the Christian communes where they do follow the rule that everyone owns everything. It works because people are promised something bigger than their material lives and hence they are willing to sacrifice their material interests. If you are trying to impose "collectivism" through government, do people willingly giving money for it or does the government force them to pay against their will? People are generally happy to pay the government for infrastructure. But not for charity. So you need authoritarianism at some level to do this. If you need more and more wealth redistribution, it gets more and more authoritarian and eventually become a Stalinist or Maoist society." Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons. | |||
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" Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. " You aren't addressing the main problem here. Left wingers claim that collectivism through taxation is the best approach and more taxes have to be collected. So why aren't they voluntary tax? Is it because they are all poor? Sounds more like they are just frauds. " What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? " Yes it's all charity. If you are helping someone out when they are struggling, it is charity. What else is it? " If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons." So your claim is that poor people will start committing crimes if you don't give free money to them? Doesn't sound like you are really compassionate about them  | |||
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" Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. You aren't addressing the main problem here. Left wingers claim that collectivism through taxation is the best approach and more taxes have to be collected. So why aren't they voluntary tax? Is it because they are all poor? Sounds more like they are just frauds. What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? Yes it's all charity. If you are helping someone out when they are struggling, it is charity. What else is it? If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons. So your claim is that poor people will start committing crimes if you don't give free money to them? Doesn't sound like you are really compassionate about them "The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Providing a decent level of living for people born into or find themselves at the short end of the wedge is the least we can do! | |||
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" Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. You aren't addressing the main problem here. Left wingers claim that collectivism through taxation is the best approach and more taxes have to be collected. So why aren't they voluntary tax? Is it because they are all poor? Sounds more like they are just frauds. What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? Yes it's all charity. If you are helping someone out when they are struggling, it is charity. What else is it? If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons. So your claim is that poor people will start committing crimes if you don't give free money to them? Doesn't sound like you are really compassionate about them
The biggest driver of crime is poverty.
If people are desperate they will steal food or money.
Providing a decent level of living for people born into or find themselves at the short end of the wedge is the least we can do!"Yes, but still it's charity. So tell me, why haven't the left wingers who wants more taxes paid any tax voluntarily? | |||
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" Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. You aren't addressing the main problem here. Left wingers claim that collectivism through taxation is the best approach and more taxes have to be collected. So why aren't they voluntary tax? Is it because they are all poor? Sounds more like they are just frauds. What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? Yes it's all charity. If you are helping someone out when they are struggling, it is charity. What else is it? If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons. So your claim is that poor people will start committing crimes if you don't give free money to them? Doesn't sound like you are really compassionate about them
The biggest driver of crime is poverty.
If people are desperate they will steal food or money.
Providing a decent level of living for people born into or find themselves at the short end of the wedge is the least we can do!
Yes, but still it's charity. So tell me, why haven't the left wingers who wants more taxes paid any tax voluntarily?"That's not charity, that's a mark of a civilised nation. I have no idea why people don't, I'm not a spokesperson for the left!! | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money." Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else". | |||
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" Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. You aren't addressing the main problem here. Left wingers claim that collectivism through taxation is the best approach and more taxes have to be collected. So why aren't they voluntary tax? Is it because they are all poor? Sounds more like they are just frauds. What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? Yes it's all charity. If you are helping someone out when they are struggling, it is charity. What else is it? If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons. So your claim is that poor people will start committing crimes if you don't give free money to them? Doesn't sound like you are really compassionate about them
The biggest driver of crime is poverty.
If people are desperate they will steal food or money.
Providing a decent level of living for people born into or find themselves at the short end of the wedge is the least we can do!
Yes, but still it's charity. So tell me, why haven't the left wingers who wants more taxes paid any tax voluntarily?
That's not charity, that's a mark of a civilised nation.
"If you are helping someone else when they are struggling, it us charity. You rewording it differently doesn't change that fact. " I have no idea why people don't, I'm not a spokesperson for the left!!" Have you paid voluntary extra tax that you don't really owe? | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else"." I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state | |||
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" I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state " Funny. You seem to be saying that charity is the duty of the state, the right of the poor and the responsibility of the not-poor. | |||
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" Nice doom loop. Because very rich volunteers don't contribute as much towards the end goal. It's why you have to impose a wide based taxation for everyone then taper and tailor it. You aren't addressing the main problem here. Left wingers claim that collectivism through taxation is the best approach and more taxes have to be collected. So why aren't they voluntary tax? Is it because they are all poor? Sounds more like they are just frauds. What's charity? Not letting be people sleep rough on the streets? Not letting children starve? How about the disabled? Yes it's all charity. If you are helping someone out when they are struggling, it is charity. What else is it? If you stop supporting them guess where that money will then be spent, on police, crime and prisons. So your claim is that poor people will start committing crimes if you don't give free money to them? Doesn't sound like you are really compassionate about them
The biggest driver of crime is poverty.
If people are desperate they will steal food or money.
Providing a decent level of living for people born into or find themselves at the short end of the wedge is the least we can do!
Yes, but still it's charity. So tell me, why haven't the left wingers who wants more taxes paid any tax voluntarily?
That's not charity, that's a mark of a civilised nation.
If you are helping someone else when they are struggling, it us charity. You rewording it differently doesn't change that fact.
I have no idea why people don't, I'm not a spokesperson for the left!!
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" I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Funny. You seem to be saying that charity is the duty of the state, the right of the poor and the responsibility of the not-poor." Yes, in a well functioning and funded state charities would not be needed because those services would be provided by the state payed by everyone or the dead | |||
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" Your not helping them. Your providing a few quid which over 70 million of us provides a dignified service for them. " Even if someone pays a few quid is still money. And the top 10% earners pay most of the taxes. They don't really pay just "a few quid". They are really more compassionate than the online leftists like you. You still haven't told me if you have paid voluntary additional tax to the government. Is the roughly £1500 that the government receives annually through this channel all paid by you? | |||
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" I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Funny. You seem to be saying that charity is the duty of the state, the right of the poor and the responsibility of the not-poor. Yes, in a well functioning and funded state charities would not be needed because those services would be provided by the state payed by everyone or the dead " Yes. "Those services" being charity. You like others to pay for the state to do it. Some of us just get up and do it ourselves. | |||
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" I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Funny. You seem to be saying that charity is the duty of the state, the right of the poor and the responsibility of the not-poor. Yes, in a well functioning and funded state charities would not be needed because those services would be provided by the state payed by everyone or the dead Yes. "Those services" being charity. You like others to pay for the state to do it. Some of us just get up and do it ourselves." Either you wouldn't have to or you'd get payed for it in my system | |||
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" Your not helping them. Your providing a few quid which over 70 million of us provides a dignified service for them. Even if someone pays a few quid is still money. And the top 10% earners pay most of the taxes. They don't really pay just "a few quid". They are really more compassionate than the online leftists like you. You still haven't told me if you have paid voluntary additional tax to the government. Is the roughly £1500 that the government receives annually through this channel all paid by you? "Allegedly the top 10% of earners are all salt of the earth nice guys and haven't got there by being ruthless. But I'm the bad guy for wanting the poorest to be provided for. | |||
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" Your not helping them. Your providing a few quid which over 70 million of us provides a dignified service for them. Even if someone pays a few quid is still money. And the top 10% earners pay most of the taxes. They don't really pay just "a few quid". They are really more compassionate than the online leftists like you. You still haven't told me if you have paid voluntary additional tax to the government. Is the roughly £1500 that the government receives annually through this channel all paid by you?
Allegedly the top 10% of earners are all salt of the earth nice guys and haven't got there by being ruthless.
"I don't agree that they reached there by being ruthless. But either way, they are much more compassionate than you because they are actually making personal sacrifice for the cause, unlike you. " But I'm the bad guy for wanting the poorest to be provided for." Not saying you are the bad guy, just a hypocrite for pretending to be compassionate about others but being unwilling to open your own wallet for others. | |||
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" Your not helping them. Your providing a few quid which over 70 million of us provides a dignified service for them. Even if someone pays a few quid is still money. And the top 10% earners pay most of the taxes. They don't really pay just "a few quid". They are really more compassionate than the online leftists like you. You still haven't told me if you have paid voluntary additional tax to the government. Is the roughly £1500 that the government receives annually through this channel all paid by you?
Allegedly the top 10% of earners are all salt of the earth nice guys and haven't got there by being ruthless.
I don't agree that they reached there by being ruthless. But either way, they are much more compassionate than you because they are actually making personal sacrifice for the cause, unlike you.
But I'm the bad guy for wanting the poorest to be provided for.
Not saying you are the bad guy, just a hypocrite for pretending to be compassionate about others but being unwilling to open your own wallet for others."You know nothing about me. | |||
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" Your not helping them. Your providing a few quid which over 70 million of us provides a dignified service for them. Even if someone pays a few quid is still money. And the top 10% earners pay most of the taxes. They don't really pay just "a few quid". They are really more compassionate than the online leftists like you. You still haven't told me if you have paid voluntary additional tax to the government. Is the roughly £1500 that the government receives annually through this channel all paid by you?
Allegedly the top 10% of earners are all salt of the earth nice guys and haven't got there by being ruthless.
I don't agree that they reached there by being ruthless. But either way, they are much more compassionate than you because they are actually making personal sacrifice for the cause, unlike you.
But I'm the bad guy for wanting the poorest to be provided for.
Not saying you are the bad guy, just a hypocrite for pretending to be compassionate about others but being unwilling to open your own wallet for others.
You know nothing about me."I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. | |||
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" Your not helping them. Your providing a few quid which over 70 million of us provides a dignified service for them. Even if someone pays a few quid is still money. And the top 10% earners pay most of the taxes. They don't really pay just "a few quid". They are really more compassionate than the online leftists like you. You still haven't told me if you have paid voluntary additional tax to the government. Is the roughly £1500 that the government receives annually through this channel all paid by you?
Allegedly the top 10% of earners are all salt of the earth nice guys and haven't got there by being ruthless.
I don't agree that they reached there by being ruthless. But either way, they are much more compassionate than you because they are actually making personal sacrifice for the cause, unlike you.
But I'm the bad guy for wanting the poorest to be provided for.
Not saying you are the bad guy, just a hypocrite for pretending to be compassionate about others but being unwilling to open your own wallet for others.
You know nothing about me.
I know two things about you:
1) You want the government to collect more taxes
2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1
That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it."1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else". I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state " Do our past Governments have an exemplary recored of managing the public purse? We hand over £1.2 trillion a year and what have we got in return.. | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you." Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't. | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't." It's not tax unless it's mandatory | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else". I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Do our past Governments have an exemplary recored of managing the public purse? We hand over £1.2 trillion a year and what have we got in return.." I'd rather some waste of money than suicidal postal workers and our rivers ecologically dead | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't. It's not tax unless it's mandatory " Why does it being mandatory matter? You obviously believe that providing help to disadvantaged through the government is the best approach. If you really believe that this is the case, why don't you give money to the government instead of being forced to do so by the government? It's just a simple matter of putting money where your mouth is. You aren't. You are just hoping that the government taxes other people and leaves you alone. That's all fine. I am not going to criticise you for that. But don't pretend like you left wingers are compassionate. You aren't. | |||
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" It's not tax unless it's mandatory " You want to pay more tax. If it isn't mandatory, it isn't tax. Therefore you don't want to pay it voluntarily | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't. It's not tax unless it's mandatory Why does it being mandatory matter? You obviously believe that providing help to disadvantaged through the government is the best approach. If you really believe that this is the case, why don't you give money to the government instead of being forced to do so by the government? It's just a simple matter of putting money where your mouth is. You aren't. You are just hoping that the government taxes other people and leaves you alone. That's all fine. I am not going to criticise you for that. But don't pretend like you left wingers are compassionate. You aren't. " Again not what taxation means | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else". I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Do our past Governments have an exemplary recored of managing the public purse? We hand over £1.2 trillion a year and what have we got in return.. I'd rather some waste of money than suicidal postal workers and our rivers ecologically dead " Do we have those today? | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else". I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Do our past Governments have an exemplary recored of managing the public purse? We hand over £1.2 trillion a year and what have we got in return.. I'd rather some waste of money than suicidal postal workers and our rivers ecologically dead Do we have those today? " Do you live in Britain? This is such a tin eared response | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't. It's not tax unless it's mandatory Why does it being mandatory matter? You obviously believe that providing help to disadvantaged through the government is the best approach. If you really believe that this is the case, why don't you give money to the government instead of being forced to do so by the government? It's just a simple matter of putting money where your mouth is. You aren't. You are just hoping that the government taxes other people and leaves you alone. That's all fine. I am not going to criticise you for that. But don't pretend like you left wingers are compassionate. You aren't. Again not what taxation means " You are basically saying that, "I want to pay more taxes. But I want the government to force me to pay more taxes. I won't pay it through voluntary tax payment channels. But trust me to bro. I really want to pay more taxes." 🤣 For what it's worth, this is where all my arguements with any left winger ends. Time for you to do some honest self reflection and ask yourself a question, "Am I really as compassionate as I pretend to be?" | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't. It's not tax unless it's mandatory Why does it being mandatory matter? You obviously believe that providing help to disadvantaged through the government is the best approach. If you really believe that this is the case, why don't you give money to the government instead of being forced to do so by the government? It's just a simple matter of putting money where your mouth is. You aren't. You are just hoping that the government taxes other people and leaves you alone. That's all fine. I am not going to criticise you for that. But don't pretend like you left wingers are compassionate. You aren't. Again not what taxation means You are basically saying that, "I want to pay more taxes. But I want the government to force me to pay more taxes. I won't pay it through voluntary tax payment channels. But trust me to bro. I really want to pay more taxes." 🤣 For what it's worth, this is where all my arguements with any left winger ends. Time for you to do some honest self reflection and ask yourself a question, "Am I really as compassionate as I pretend to be?"" Not how taxes work. I have a feeling this is how all your conversations end, because anyone with an IQ in digits knows to walk away | |||
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" You know nothing about me. I know two things about you: 1) You want the government to collect more taxes 2) You could not have paid over £1500 for a year to the government in voluntary tax. Even if you did pay all that £1500, it means all the other left wingers in the country didn't shell out even £1 That's enough to show that you and the arm chair socialists are hypocrites who have zero compassion but pretend to have it. 1) correct 2) not how taxes work. I can't keep putting myself through these painful pointless unintelligent tirades with you. Tax is the money you pay to the government. You don't have to wait till the government increases tax rates for you. If you really wanted to pay more taxes, you can do so voluntarily. But you clearly haven't done it. Shows that you are just another loud online left winger who pretends to be compassionate, but really isn't. It's not tax unless it's mandatory Why does it being mandatory matter? You obviously believe that providing help to disadvantaged through the government is the best approach. If you really believe that this is the case, why don't you give money to the government instead of being forced to do so by the government? It's just a simple matter of putting money where your mouth is. You aren't. You are just hoping that the government taxes other people and leaves you alone. That's all fine. I am not going to criticise you for that. But don't pretend like you left wingers are compassionate. You aren't. Again not what taxation means You are basically saying that, "I want to pay more taxes. But I want the government to force me to pay more taxes. I won't pay it through voluntary tax payment channels. But trust me to bro. I really want to pay more taxes." 🤣 For what it's worth, this is where all my arguements with any left winger ends. Time for you to do some honest self reflection and ask yourself a question, "Am I really as compassionate as I pretend to be?" Not how taxes work. I have a feeling this is how all your conversations end, because anyone with an IQ in digits knows to walk away " You are such a compassionate person. If only daddy government will give you some spanking and take your money, you will gladly give it to help the poor 😘 | |||
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" It's not tax unless it's mandatory You want to pay more tax. If it isn't mandatory, it isn't tax. Therefore you don't want to pay it voluntarily
Because me alone can't do anything.
But the government raising small increases on everyone and then tapering it up on the higher earners can raise way more.
Let's try and analogy, if everyone chucks in £50 at the begining of the night you don't usually need a top up. But if it's just you buying your own drinks and food and you see others and buy them drinks you spend way more than £50 initial "Some of us donate to charity. You believe that taxes are better than charity. Yet you won't pay either, because you want other people to pay taxes before you do. Surely many people have similar beliefs to you. Charities abound, so people are okay with parting with money. But YOU won't pay a penny of extra tax because others don't, and a fortiori won't give charity, because you would rather give tax. | |||
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" It's not tax unless it's mandatory You want to pay more tax. If it isn't mandatory, it isn't tax. Therefore you don't want to pay it voluntarily
Because me alone can't do anything.
But the government raising small increases on everyone and then tapering it up on the higher earners can raise way more.
Let's try and analogy, if everyone chucks in £50 at the begining of the night you don't usually need a top up. But if it's just you buying your own drinks and food and you see others and buy them drinks you spend way more than £50 initial
Some of us donate to charity. You believe that taxes are better than charity. Yet you won't pay either, because you want other people to pay taxes before you do.
Surely many people have similar beliefs to you. Charities abound, so people are okay with parting with money.
But YOU won't pay a penny of extra tax because others don't, and a fortiori won't give charity, because you would rather give tax."It's not a tax if you go over and above. You can literally Google the meaning of taxation and stop soiling yourselves in public. And for your first paragraph are you really sure you want to be accusing me of not paying tax? | |||
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" It's not tax unless it's mandatory You want to pay more tax. If it isn't mandatory, it isn't tax. Therefore you don't want to pay it voluntarily
Because me alone can't do anything.
But the government raising small increases on everyone and then tapering it up on the higher earners can raise way more.
Let's try and analogy, if everyone chucks in £50 at the begining of the night you don't usually need a top up. But if it's just you buying your own drinks and food and you see others and buy them drinks you spend way more than £50 initial
Some of us donate to charity. You believe that taxes are better than charity. Yet you won't pay either, because you want other people to pay taxes before you do.
Surely many people have similar beliefs to you. Charities abound, so people are okay with parting with money.
But YOU won't pay a penny of extra tax because others don't, and a fortiori won't give charity, because you would rather give tax.
It's not a tax if you go over and above.
You can literally Google the meaning of taxation and stop soiling yourselves in public.
And for your first paragraph are you really sure you want to be accusing me of not paying tax?"Sorry - really. That should've read more like "voluntarily give more tax". You presumably pay tax correctly and legally. | |||
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" It's not tax unless it's mandatory You want to pay more tax. If it isn't mandatory, it isn't tax. Therefore you don't want to pay it voluntarily
Because me alone can't do anything.
But the government raising small increases on everyone and then tapering it up on the higher earners can raise way more.
Let's try and analogy, if everyone chucks in £50 at the begining of the night you don't usually need a top up. But if it's just you buying your own drinks and food and you see others and buy them drinks you spend way more than £50 initial
Some of us donate to charity. You believe that taxes are better than charity. Yet you won't pay either, because you want other people to pay taxes before you do.
Surely many people have similar beliefs to you. Charities abound, so people are okay with parting with money.
But YOU won't pay a penny of extra tax because others don't, and a fortiori won't give charity, because you would rather give tax.
It's not a tax if you go over and above.
You can literally Google the meaning of taxation and stop soiling yourselves in public.
And for your first paragraph are you really sure you want to be accusing me of not paying tax?
Sorry - really. That should've read more like "voluntarily give more tax". You presumably pay tax correctly and legally."Thank you And again if it's voluntary it's not tax and like I said tax has a definition and you and your right wing mates can stop soiling yourselves | |||
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" Some of us donate to charity. You believe that taxes are better than charity. Yet you won't pay either, because you want other people to pay taxes before you do. Surely many people have similar beliefs to you. Charities abound, so people are okay with parting with money. But YOU won't pay a penny of extra tax because others don't, and a fortiori won't give charity, because you would rather give tax." That's the conclusion I came to after all these years of trying to get the left wingers I know of to donate to a cause. Usually the centre left people can be convinced to part with their money. But the far left can never be. Karl Marx didn't write his philosophy with bad intentions. He just made some fundamentally wrong assumptions about human nature that made his entire philosophy flawed. But his philosophy has been successfully used as a framework for the modern left to use as an elaborate excuse to why they will never make personal sacrifices to help others. Why help out the homeless people with your own money when you can just blame the government for not collecting enough tax from "those rich people"? | |||
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" Thank you And again if it's voluntary it's not tax and like I said tax has a definition and you and your right wing mates can stop soiling yourselves " You really seem to have a thing about people soiling themselves. Well, we don't kink shame here. You're missing the point entirely. It's about people who call for more to be done (note passive voice) about poverty (food, specifically, got our attention), who refuse to do anything about it personally. Rather, they only want the state to do it (predominantly with other people's money). You have illustrated this point beautifully. Thank you. | |||
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" It's not tax unless it's mandatory You want to pay more tax. If it isn't mandatory, it isn't tax. Therefore you don't want to pay it voluntarily
Because me alone can't do anything.
But the government raising small increases on everyone and then tapering it up on the higher earners can raise way more.
Let's try and analogy, if everyone chucks in £50 at the begining of the night you don't usually need a top up. But if it's just you buying your own drinks and food and you see others and buy them drinks you spend way more than £50 initial
Some of us donate to charity. You believe that taxes are better than charity. Yet you won't pay either, because you want other people to pay taxes before you do.
Surely many people have similar beliefs to you. Charities abound, so people are okay with parting with money.
But YOU won't pay a penny of extra tax because others don't, and a fortiori won't give charity, because you would rather give tax.
It's not a tax if you go over and above.
You can literally Google the meaning of taxation and stop soiling yourselves in public.
And for your first paragraph are you really sure you want to be accusing me of not paying tax?
Sorry - really. That should've read more like "voluntarily give more tax". You presumably pay tax correctly and legally.
Thank you
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" Thank you And again if it's voluntary it's not tax and like I said tax has a definition and you and your right wing mates can stop soiling yourselves You really seem to have a thing about people soiling themselves. Well, we don't kink shame here. You're missing the point entirely. It's about people who call for more to be done (note passive voice) about poverty (food, specifically, got our attention), who refuse to do anything about it personally. Rather, they only want the state to do it (predominantly with other people's money). You have illustrated this point beautifully. Thank you." Again, you me? You have no idea what I've been through. And don't want other people to go through. Such lazy assumptions | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you." Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. | |||
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" Such lazy assumptions " No. Just following logic based upon the facts you presented. | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect." Sorry???? Shall I publish my NI number? How dare you! | |||
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" Such lazy assumptions No. Just following logic based upon the facts you presented." You have no facts! | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect." If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect." Your logic is skewed now as it was when you accused me of hideous things the other night! | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you." You have been arguing here for so long that the government is better than charity. And now you are saying that you are actually doing personal charity? 🤔 | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? " One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means." Is finance the only way of supporting a cause, then? | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means." Money doesn't equal compassion and you have no idea who does what with compassion or money | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. You have been arguing here for so long that the government is better than charity. And now you are saying that you are actually doing personal charity? 🤔" Have I? I'm saying you make assumptions! | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. Is finance the only way of supporting a cause, then? " Any kind of personal sacrifice. Shouting on the internet about how the government must confiscate other people's money to help the poor isn't that. It's ok to follow that political philosophy. But don't pretend like you are more compassionate than the right wingers. | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. Money doesn't equal compassion and you have no idea who does what with compassion or money " Money is one way of showing compassion. There are many other ways to show compassion. Asking the government to take other people's money whilst you keep your own wallet safe isn't compassion. | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. Is finance the only way of supporting a cause, then? Any kind of personal sacrifice. Shouting on the internet about how the government must confiscate other people's money to help the poor isn't that. It's ok to follow that political philosophy. But don't pretend like you are more compassionate than the right wingers." You have no way to prove if people do or dont | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. Money doesn't equal compassion and you have no idea who does what with compassion or money Money is one way of showing compassion. There are many other ways to show compassion. Asking the government to take other people's money whilst you keep your own wallet safe isn't compassion." Again you have no idea. It's all in your head | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. Is finance the only way of supporting a cause, then? Any kind of personal sacrifice. Shouting on the internet about how the government must confiscate other people's money to help the poor isn't that. It's ok to follow that political philosophy. But don't pretend like you are more compassionate than the right wingers." So if someone doesn’t believe in charity but spends their time working to further a socialist society, perhaps going to rallies, perhaps door knocking, perhaps simpler educating people about their beliefs - that’s all sacrifice, right? I’m just seeing how far you accept moving from your off al statement of “ But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause” | |||
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"It's always a grievence we can't prove! Who's to say how many hours I do at the care home? Or mow the neighbours grass. My gran died of cancer. Do I or do I not give to Liverpool cancer? It's very easy to cry and scream like a child when no one can disprove you. Oh. Very interesting. The logic that we followed was that government is superior to charity. Since you won't give extra to the government, then, logically, you do not regularly donate to charity. So: do you donate regularly to a charity, rather than give that money to the government? Perhaps our logic was incorrect. If someone is a true, hardcore socialist, they won’t donate to charity as it is against their core belief. Should one be critiqued for living their life according to their beliefs? One shouldn't be critiqued for holding such beliefs. But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause. They are not compassionate by any means. Money doesn't equal compassion and you have no idea who does what with compassion or money Money is one way of showing compassion. There are many other ways to show compassion. Asking the government to take other people's money whilst you keep your own wallet safe isn't compassion." Money doesn’t necessarily equal compassion though. It does equal sacrifice, I accept. | |||
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" So if someone doesn’t believe in charity but spends their time working to further a socialist society, perhaps going to rallies, perhaps door knocking, perhaps simpler educating people about their beliefs - that’s all sacrifice, right? " Why don't you do a part time job and pay the people directly from the money you earn? Why don't you get more people to do the same with you? With socialism, you are trying to use the government as a weapon to force others to pay more taxes. That is not compassion. Compassion must come out of one's own will. It shouldn't be forced by the government. | |||
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" Money doesn’t necessarily equal compassion though. It does equal sacrifice, I accept. " Making personal sacrifice is how you show compassion. | |||
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" Money doesn’t necessarily equal compassion though. It does equal sacrifice, I accept. Making personal sacrifice is how you show compassion." And you can't prove so you can continuously scream victim | |||
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" Money doesn’t necessarily equal compassion though. It does equal sacrifice, I accept. Making personal sacrifice is how you show compassion." But you’ve accepted that money isn’t the only form of sacrifice - so your initial comment “ But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause.” was glib and inaccurate, yes? | |||
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" So if someone doesn’t believe in charity but spends their time working to further a socialist society, perhaps going to rallies, perhaps door knocking, perhaps simpler educating people about their beliefs - that’s all sacrifice, right? Why don't you do a part time job and pay the people directly from the money you earn? Why don't you get more people to do the same with you? With socialism, you are trying to use the government as a weapon to force others to pay more taxes. That is not compassion. Compassion must come out of one's own will. It shouldn't be forced by the government." To think socialism is simply a form of taxation reveals an immense misunderstanding of what socialism is. | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else". I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state Do our past Governments have an exemplary recored of managing the public purse? We hand over £1.2 trillion a year and what have we got in return.. I'd rather some waste of money than suicidal postal workers and our rivers ecologically dead Do we have those today? Do you live in Britain? This is such a tin eared response " It was a rhetorical question... The point made flew way above. | |||
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" Money doesn’t necessarily equal compassion though. It does equal sacrifice, I accept. Making personal sacrifice is how you show compassion. But you’ve accepted that money isn’t the only form of sacrifice - so your initial comment “ But one can be critiqued for calling themselves compassionate if they are unwilling to part with their own money for the cause.” was glib and inaccurate, yes? " I was arguing about a specific point in that case. End of the day, if you really care about a cause, you can give out your own money or you can go help them directly. There isn't anything compassionate about asking the government to take money from unwilling people to help the poor. So the whole argument that left wingers are compassionate is nonsensical. Most of them do not really care for the poor. If they really did, there are so many better ways to help the poor. Really they are just driven by envy and hatred towards people doing better than themselves and see socialism as an opportunity to take them down. | |||
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" The biggest driver of crime is poverty. If people are desperate they will steal food or money. " We said: " Some people on here might even have monthly direct debits totalling £168 that goes directly to local (dedicated) food provision charities for their local communities, not counting any other charitable contributions. Additionally, they create jobs and perform actual caring work voluntarily. That's probably worth more than £1000 of tax and government waste. That model should be scaled. Successful communities do exactly this. It's not rocket science, it just takes people to recognise that charity begins with the individual, not "society", or "someone else"." " You specifically disagreed that this model of (a) helping local communities financially through targeted charities, (b) creating jobs for local community members, and (c) performing actual caring work, is a model to be scaled. You said that: " I disagree, I believe that money would be better off going to the government and they provide the service. Charity is a sign of a failing state " I.e. assistance should be provided as services through the state. How this ended up with fantasies about soiling oneself is a mystery. You very clearly have disdain for charity. To then suggest that people "don't know you" is disingenuous. We might not know you as a person, but we know exactly where you stand on charitable acts and financial contributions. | |||
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