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"What more is there to say "You could try explaining what you're on about, so that the rest of us can work out if there's anything else to say. | |||
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"What more is there to say
You could try explaining what you're on about, so that the rest of us can work out if there's anything else to say."This is the most recent wisdom from POTUS | |||
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"Is Trump targeting Ipswich? Maybe he’s been monitoring your posts." Calling Ipswich civilised is a stretch tbh. | |||
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"What more is there to say" "You could try explaining what you're on about, so that the rest of us can work out if there's anything else to say." "This is the most recent wisdom from POTUS" Ah! I see. Thanks for the info. For those of us that aren't completely obsessed by Trump, these threads can be difficult to follow. | |||
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"“A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!” So he’s achieved regime change with more compliant people at the helm apparently but still is prepared to wipe Iran off the map. It must be great living in Trump’s brain, there are no downsides whatsoever. " A few weeks ago it was "Their leaders are all gone, their next set of leaders are all gone, and theiNobody wants to be a leader over there anymore. We are having a hard time. We want to talk to them, and there’s nobody to talk to. We have nobody to talk to and, you know what? We like it that way," Unbelievable, this is the man , the west is bowing down to and hanging onto every word he says. If it was Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping talking like this, the mockery and disdain in the western press would have been of the scale. Yet here they gather around him like the second coming. | |||
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"“A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!” So he’s achieved regime change with more compliant people at the helm apparently but still is prepared to wipe Iran off the map. It must be great living in Trump’s brain, there are no downsides whatsoever. A few weeks ago it was "Their leaders are all gone, their next set of leaders are all gone, and theiNobody wants to be a leader over there anymore. We are having a hard time. We want to talk to them, and there’s nobody to talk to. We have nobody to talk to and, you know what? We like it that way," Unbelievable, this is the man , the west is bowing down to and hanging onto every word he says. If it was Kim Jong Un, Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping talking like this, the mockery and disdain in the western press would have been of the scale. Yet here they gather around him like the second coming." Unfortunately for him, the IRGC still seem to be calling his bluff. Western leaders have been pretty spineless. Plenty of criticism for Iran, overall pretty mute on Trump. Would be interesting to see what the collective Western response would be if Trump DID nuke Iran. | |||
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"What more is there to say "Let's party... yeah, eh (Celebrate good times, come on) yeah, eh-eh For there's a party goin' on right here A celebration to last throughout the years So bring your good times, and your laughter too We gonna celebrate your party with you Come on, now Let's all celebrate and have a good time (Celebration) We gonna celebrate and have a good time | |||
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"So if starmer had murdered 10s of 1000s on the Uk streets you would not want the USA to help you ... You are as bad as the IRGC if you are happy to sit back and let it continue. We may be paying more for our fuel but that is nothing compared to the majority in Iran being murdered by the minority ruling in Iran." Ok, the US pull off a deal tonight. How is Iran better ? | |||
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"So if starmer had murdered 10s of 1000s on the Uk streets you would not want the USA to help you ... You are as bad as the IRGC if you are happy to sit back and let it continue. We may be paying more for our fuel but that is nothing compared to the majority in Iran being murdered by the minority ruling in Iran." What have you done today and every day of your life to try and alleviate the numbers of children that die every single day from shitty water, no sanitation and no access to cheap life saving medications? What did you do when the massacres tool place, in Rwanda, the Balkans etc..? Which shitty regime is next, North Korea? To destroy the infrastructure in a desert country as summer is approaching is abhorrent and yes the Regime and three IRGC and the rest of their oppressive state is vile but no electricity to run incubators for babies will change that how..? And the USA hasn't helped the oppressed citizens at all and guess what? They'll walk away as soon as they can and onto the next ego trip trump has.. Have you applied to join the USMC yet? | |||
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"Looks like Israel is warning civilians of incoming attacks. Meanwhile Iranians are standing on bridges to “protect them”. I wonder how much the Iranian regime is paying them for that privilege. “Human Shields Required”." Its oddly in their mindset, totally unfathomable to us in the West.. In thd Iran/Iraq war families volunteered their children to walk through mine fields to clear them for the Iranian infantry to advance.. Martyrdom for those chosen.. | |||
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"Looks like Israel is warning civilians of incoming attacks. Meanwhile Iranians are standing on bridges to “protect them”. I wonder how much the Iranian regime is paying them for that privilege. “Human Shields Required”. Its oddly in their mindset, totally unfathomable to us in the West.. In thd Iran/Iraq war families volunteered their children to walk through mine fields to clear them for the Iranian infantry to advance.. Martyrdom for those chosen.." I bet the kids didn’t know what they were doing. And probably all girls. | |||
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"Looks like Israel is warning civilians of incoming attacks. Meanwhile Iranians are standing on bridges to “protect them”. I wonder how much the Iranian regime is paying them for that privilege. “Human Shields Required”. Its oddly in their mindset, totally unfathomable to us in the West.. In thd Iran/Iraq war families volunteered their children to walk through mine fields to clear them for the Iranian infantry to advance.. Martyrdom for those chosen.." 'Volunteered' | |||
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"Looks like Israel is warning civilians of incoming attacks. Meanwhile Iranians are standing on bridges to “protect them”. I wonder how much the Iranian regime is paying them for that privilege. “Human Shields Required”. Its oddly in their mindset, totally unfathomable to us in the West.. In thd Iran/Iraq war families volunteered their children to walk through mine fields to clear them for the Iranian infantry to advance.. Martyrdom for those chosen.. 'Volunteered' " I know.. Obscene but thats the mindset of some of them.. | |||
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"Could his attitude be classed as an abuse of power?" Starmer will now have to decide if the USA using UK airbases at all as such threatening language is definitely not of a defensive nature at all. | |||
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"Could his attitude be classed as an abuse of power? Starmer will now have to decide if the USA using UK airbases at all as such threatening language is definitely not of a defensive nature at all. " Starmer’s pretty quiet. Nothing to say about Trump threatening to wipe out Iranian civilisation. Wonder if he’d dither so long if it was Putin threatening Ukraine? | |||
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"Could his attitude be classed as an abuse of power? Starmer will now have to decide if the USA using UK airbases at all as such threatening language is definitely not of a defensive nature at all. Starmer’s pretty quiet. Nothing to say about Trump threatening to wipe out Iranian civilisation. Wonder if he’d dither so long if it was Putin threatening Ukraine? " Ukraine seems to quite regularly attack Russian oil facilities. I see today Ukraine has blown up a Russian occupied bridge using a British made drone. Maybe all this talk of “war crimes” is making Starmer nervous. Alternatively he is still “working at pace” on his global leadership role and writing his next address to the nation. | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible." You would have loved the Crusades..  | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible. You would have loved the Crusades.. "I certainly would.🏴 | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible." Im not sure the medical professionals trying to save the lives of premature babies, the elderly and those with cancer with no power will be bothered about the musings of someone thousands of mikes away who ironically thinks such problems are part of their freedom from the radical Shia regime.. | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible. Im not sure the medical professionals trying to save the lives of premature babies, the elderly and those with cancer with no power will be bothered about the musings of someone thousands of mikes away who ironically thinks such problems are part of their freedom from the radical Shia regime.." Stop the War! Think of the Medical Professionals! | |||
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"I feel like there should be a countdown like a space shuttle launch T-minus 7:00:00 And if this is the last day before Armageddon…. I should not have booked the car to be serviced tomorrow " I hope you didn't pay upfront for the service | |||
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"“Iran’s President, Masoud Pezeshkian has registered himself for military service. He announces he has registered himself for the ‘Jan Fada’ campaign to sacrifice his life fighting for Iran if necessary. More than 14 million Iranians have already registered their names on the platform so far, and are willing to be called into military service in case of an invasion” When are Trump (6th time lucky), Vance, Rubio, Graham & Miller signing up?" The rate Israel is getting through them Pezeshkian won’t have long to wait for martyrdom. I’m guessing he’s only alive because he’s one of the negotiating team. Maybe that will change in a few hours. | |||
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"The US has said it struck military targets on the key Iranian oil export hub of Kharg Island, although the strikes did not specifically target oil facilities. It offers tangerine the climb down and he can say it was simply a distraction to they could attack the island not power stations.and bridges, meanwhile Israel will bomb whatever the fuck they want anyway Obviously they will have totally wiped out all military infrastructure and personnel on the island in a great achievement and act of immense bravery (by kids in Florida flying drones) and now the war is done (again) and if Iran are naughty they'll be back to finish the job" Just over five hours to the deadline. Trump has said so much cannot see him climbing down now ? If he’s true to his work tomorrow morning Iran should be looking like Mariupol or Gaza. | |||
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" Just over five hours to the deadline. Trump has said so much cannot see him climbing down now ? If he’s true to his work tomorrow morning Iran should be looking like Mariupol or Gaza. " Israeli TV have a countdown clock running all the way to Trump’s deadline. | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible. Im not sure the medical professionals trying to save the lives of premature babies, the elderly and those with cancer with no power will be bothered about the musings of someone thousands of mikes away who ironically thinks such problems are part of their freedom from the radical Shia regime.." When 50,000 dead Iranians were being attended to by medical staff lots of people weren't bothered. | |||
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"Sounds like HMS Dragon has broken down. For Britain the war is over. " Is the HMS Mandelson ready yet ? | |||
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"Sounds like HMS Dragon has broken down. For Britain the war is over. " Trump said our navy only had toys | |||
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"Sounds like HMS Dragon has broken down. For Britain the war is over. Trump said our navy only had toys " He really needs to stop shouting his mouth off. He’ll be eating humble pie when the USS Jeffery Epstein cones under attack from Iranian kamikaze jetskis. | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible. Im not sure the medical professionals trying to save the lives of premature babies, the elderly and those with cancer with no power will be bothered about the musings of someone thousands of mikes away who ironically thinks such problems are part of their freedom from the radical Shia regime.. When 50,000 dead Iranians were being attended to by medical staff lots of people weren't bothered." Perhaps they weren't and that's the nature of such things, possibly inevitably given the region has been in turmoil more or less for the last 30 plus years and subsequently the origins of too much terrorism .. The thing is whilst you rightly called out the barbarity of what happened to the protestor in January etc you seem to he shrugging off an equally devastating potential situation for millions of innocents, many of them the families and survivors of those dark days.. That's a bit puzzling.. | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible. Im not sure the medical professionals trying to save the lives of premature babies, the elderly and those with cancer with no power will be bothered about the musings of someone thousands of mikes away who ironically thinks such problems are part of their freedom from the radical Shia regime.. When 50,000 dead Iranians were being attended to by medical staff lots of people weren't bothered. Perhaps they weren't and that's the nature of such things, possibly inevitably given the region has been in turmoil more or less for the last 30 plus years and subsequently the origins of too much terrorism .. The thing is whilst you rightly called out the barbarity of what happened to the protestor in January etc you seem to he shrugging off an equally devastating potential situation for millions of innocents, many of them the families and survivors of those dark days.. That's a bit puzzling.." One of those things happened; the other hasn't happened. If it does I will give my opinion fwiw, which is nothing to the people of Iran. | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran." Ah ha ... TACO | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Ah ha ... TACO " Calling Trump a chicken rather implies you want him to further attack Iran which I doubt is true. What's clear now is that Iran has been offered peace. | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Ah ha ... TACO Calling Trump a chicken rather implies you want him to further attack Iran which I doubt is true. What's clear now is that Iran has been offered peace." I would much rather say 'Egg, and Trumps face were in total alignment. | |||
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"One of the bitter ironies of this situation is that the great and historic Persian civilisation has long been crushed by fundamentalist Islam while the world looked on in silence, or applauded. Blowing up a few bridges and power plants, whether wise or not, is hardly comparible. Im not sure the medical professionals trying to save the lives of premature babies, the elderly and those with cancer with no power will be bothered about the musings of someone thousands of mikes away who ironically thinks such problems are part of their freedom from the radical Shia regime.. When 50,000 dead Iranians were being attended to by medical staff lots of people weren't bothered." Is there a reason you taking one sources figures as gospel. Estimates by Source Iranian Government: Officially reports 3,117 deaths as of February 2026. Officials claim most of these were "terrorists" or security forces, though activists dispute these labels. Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRANA): Has verified 7,007 deaths, including 236 minors and 207 security personnel, as of late February 2026. They are reportedly investigating over 11,000 additional cases. Medical Professionals & Networks: Reports from a network of over 80 doctors cite more than 30,000 clinically recorded deaths in hospitals and clinics. Some medical sources estimate the total could be as high as 33,000 to 36,500. United Nations: The UN Special Rapporteur on Iran stated that deaths number at least 5,000, with potential figures reaching 20,000 or more. Opposition Groups: Some activists and political figures, such as Reza Pahlavi, have suggested the toll could be as high as 50,000, though this figure remains unverified. | |||
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"Straits of Hormuz open and a ceasefire. See what the markets make of this. Is it all over ? " Two week ceasefire if it holds. Always a chance Israel could scupper this as I doubt they feel all their aims have been achieved. | |||
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds." I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start. | |||
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start." We will see the problem Iran may or may not have as soon as the internet blackout is lifted. The Iranian people began an uprising recently over the cost of living crisis, I can't see that will have improved. I would expect a period of calm to follow the ceasefire, but 6 - 12 months from now could be a different proposition for people and regime of Iran. | |||
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start." Sounds like China (no doubt amongst others) put pressure on Iran to agree something. The primary importer of stuff via the Gulf is actually China, which may help to explain Trump’s strategy here. Both Venezuela and Iran were major exporters of oil to China. I imagine damaging Iran is just a secondary benefit, but no doubt Israel has been happy. If Iran is going to (unlawfully) hinder traffic through the Straits then longer term, exporters are going to have to find alternative routes to cut Iran out. Be interesting to see how long it takes Starmer to claim some credit for this. I’m expecting an address to the nation very soon. “We provided global leadership in the background without seeking public recognition”. | |||
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"Hwa nothing but a fucking mouthpiece and now Iran know it. " Trump threatens to attack Iran: “Trump is a war criminal! He is even worse than Hitler”! Trump doesn’t attack Iran: “Trump is a chicken loser! He can’t even get being a war criminal right”! I think Our NHS provides smelling salts for TDS sufferers unable to stay away from Trump’s social media. | |||
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"Hwa nothing but a fucking mouthpiece and now Iran know it. Trump threatens to attack Iran: “Trump is a war criminal! He is even worse than Hitler”! Trump doesn’t attack Iran: “Trump is a chicken loser! He can’t even get being a war criminal right”! I think Our NHS provides smelling salts for TDS sufferers unable to stay away from Trump’s social media." Do you think Trump’s Social Media conduct is befitting of the office of the President of the United States? | |||
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start." Yes fair comments & now Iran can make an extra $90billion a year charging ships through the Straits. He's fecked with the world economy, cost the US billions, killed innocents. For what? | |||
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"Job done.. Complete Regime change has been achieved says the man child.. Everyone can go home then..?" Well increasingly the 25th amendment is being called by US senators Inc Republicans so maybe its that regime change. | |||
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"Job done.. Complete Regime change has been achieved says the man child.. Everyone can go home then..? Well increasingly the 25th amendment is being called by US senators Inc Republicans so maybe its that regime change." It is interesting that you are finally starting to see negative comments from Republicans. The last month has clearly split MAGA, the poll numbers are not looking good and you can see people starting to to lose the fear. The power of a bully comes from the fear. Lose the fear and you lose the power. | |||
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement. "Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this: Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets. Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.' If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions. | |||
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement.
Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this:
Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets.
Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.'
If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions.
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement.
Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this:
Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets.
Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.'
If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions.
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start. Yes fair comments & now Iran can make an extra $90billion a year charging ships through the Straits. He's fecked with the world economy, cost the US billions, killed innocents. For what? " For what? Aside from killing much of the upper echelons of a terrorist regime? Destroying its navy Destroying its air force Destroying its air defences The US and Israel now have total dominance over Iranian skies. Diminishing its military and intelligence capabilities Diminishing its internal repression apparatus Diminishing its petrochemical, nuclear and military industrial capabilities Iran’s “friends and neighbours” now know that at any sign of vulnerability Iran just sees them as nothing more than pawns to attack the global economy through, so they will distance themselves accordingly. Demonstrated to China that its supply chains are vulnerable. Of course it would be better if the Iranian regime were replaced with one more focused on the wellbeing of its people and economic development, and maintaining good relations with its neighbours, but if that isn’t possible then diminishing the damage that the Islamic nutjobs can do will have to suffice for now. | |||
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement.
Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this:
Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets.
Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.'
If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions.
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start. Yes fair comments & now Iran can make an extra $90billion a year charging ships through the Straits. He's fecked with the world economy, cost the US billions, killed innocents. For what? For what? Aside from killing much of the upper echelons of a terrorist regime? Destroying its navy Destroying its air force Destroying its air defences The US and Israel now have total dominance over Iranian skies. Diminishing its military and intelligence capabilities Diminishing its internal repression apparatus Diminishing its petrochemical, nuclear and military industrial capabilities Iran’s “friends and neighbours” now know that at any sign of vulnerability Iran just sees them as nothing more than pawns to attack the global economy through, so they will distance themselves accordingly. Demonstrated to China that its supply chains are vulnerable. Of course it would be better if the Iranian regime were replaced with one more focused on the wellbeing of its people and economic development, and maintaining good relations with its neighbours, but if that isn’t possible then diminishing the damage that the Islamic nutjobs can do will have to suffice for now. " They still control the strait of Hormuz. The regime are still in power. They still have their enriched uranium. They can still shoot down enemy planes. They can still fire drones & ballistic missiles. They will now charge tolls on the strait of hormuz. They can still threaten the neighbouring gulf states. #winning | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true." Probably Iranian media 🤭 | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true." It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. Probably Iranian media 🤭" The have a news blackout, keep up | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it" I wasn’t aware of that. Will wait to see what comes out. | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. Probably Iranian media 🤭 The have a news blackout, keep up" You're possibly confusing an Internet blackout with a news blackout. | |||
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement.
Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this:
Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets.
Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.'
If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions.
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To be fair, Iranian media are probably best placed to broadcast the demands of the Iranian government."What Iran said two weeks ago: The US is "negotiating with itself", a spokesman for the Iranian military says, adding: "Someone like us will never come to terms with someone like you" (BBC) | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it" It would certainly make sense. Fat Donnie and WAR FIGHTER Hegseth might not care about war crimes, but the professionals do. The "just following orders" defence didn't work in Nuremberg and it won't work when the Democrats regain Congress / Senate and begin to make people accountable again. | |||
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start." This in a nutshell.. Apart from trump embarrassing and dragging his country to a new low by his threats to 'destroy a civilisation', more innocents killed regionally the whole exercise has put Iran in a stronger strategic position globally over the straits.. He needed an off ramp desperately for following and being used by Netanyahu.. | |||
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"Watershed moment I think in geopolitics. A lot of countries out there will be reevaluating their future relationship with the US. Trump may have won his battle for now but the unprecedented rhetoric from a US president to do so will cave caused a lot of damage & doubts in world leaders minds. I don’t think Trump has won anything yet. He has found a potential off ramp from this highly ill advised adventure but he hasn’t removed the regime, he hasn’t removed any uranium and he has discovered how much power the Iranians have over the world economy via the straits. I think the next two weeks will be very interesting to see whether the US can exert any power at all in the negotiations. I struggle to see why the Iranians would give up anything meaningful given they have been able to absorb a huge attack and come out the other side. Agreeing to keep the straits open doesn’t count as a win in any way given that they were open before the start. We will see the problem Iran may or may not have as soon as the internet blackout is lifted. The Iranian people began an uprising recently over the cost of living crisis, I can't see that will have improved. I would expect a period of calm to follow the ceasefire, but 6 - 12 months from now could be a different proposition for people and regime of Iran." The Internet might be back for them but the armed nightly patrols will remain by the regime also. Plus trump admitted, (it might have just been his mouth shooting off) that America had tried to get weapons to the protesters abd the kurds stole them.. That's only going to result in further oppression to root out anyone they think might be organising an insurrection and most likely anyone related to those they suspect.. | |||
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement.
Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this:
Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets.
Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.'
If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions.
'According to Iranian media'
To be fair, Iranian media are probably best placed to broadcast the demands of the Iranian government.
What Iran said two weeks ago:
The US is "negotiating with itself", a spokesman for the Iranian military says, adding: "Someone like us will never come to terms with someone like you" (BBC)
"Yes exactly, and they didn't negotiate. The US called a unilateral 2 week ceasefire 🤷♂️ | |||
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"As predicted Starmer travelling to Gulf to pretend he is involved in what is going on, rather than being some loser who provided a ship that broke down and a Dog Unit. He’s like the guy not invited to the party who turns up at midnight and hangs around outside telling everyone he is just leaving and how he helped organise the party. And everyone just thinks “who’s that guy Jeez what a bore”. Pathetic. " Possibly the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen from a British Prime Minister.  | |||
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"So Fab's experts got it all wrong again. What an extraordinary surprise. Looks like the military action will be over after six weeks - exactly as Trump said when it started. Well done to the US and Iran on reaching an agreement.
Before you get the party p0ppers out consider this:
Trump said Iran had proposed a “workable” 10-point peace plan. According to Iranian state media, the ten-point proposal includes a number of conditions that the US has in the past rejected. Among them are controlled transit through strait of Hormuz coordinated with Iranian armed forces and withdrawal of all US forces from regional bases. The plan would also require the lifting of all primary and secondary sanctions, payment of full compensation to Iran and release of all frozen Iranian assets.
Iranian state media also said the 10-point plan for securing an end to the war would require Washington to accept its uranium enrichment program, a previous red line for the Trump administration.'
If there's any truth in all that, it represents some great 'winning' for Trump. The damage he's done to the world and to the reputation of the US all seems worth it to produce a more hard-line Iran who he'll be paying compensation to and lifting sanctions.
'According to Iranian media'
To be fair, Iranian media are probably best placed to broadcast the demands of the Iranian government.
What Iran said two weeks ago:
The US is "negotiating with itself", a spokesman for the Iranian military says, adding: "Someone like us will never come to terms with someone like you" (BBC)
Yes exactly, and they didn't negotiate.
The US called a unilateral 2 week ceasefire 🤷♂️
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran." Trump basically gave up more than was on the original table So everything that was there pre war… and Iran potentially gets control of the straits of Hormuz… Trump really wanted an off ramp bad! His gulf backers are not going to be happy…. | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Trump basically gave up more than was on the original table So everything that was there pre war… and Iran potentially gets control of the straits of Hormuz… Trump really wanted an off ramp bad! His gulf backers are not going to be happy…." Iran already has military control of the Straight as ships won’t navigate it. This whole notion of arguing over who gets a better deal at the end of a war is only interesting to people who saw the war as an opportunity to slag one of the sides off. I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Trump basically gave up more than was on the original table So everything that was there pre war… and Iran potentially gets control of the straits of Hormuz… Trump really wanted an off ramp bad! His gulf backers are not going to be happy…. Iran already has military control of the Straight as ships won’t navigate it. This whole notion of arguing over who gets a better deal at the end of a war is only interesting to people who saw the war as an opportunity to slag one of the sides off. I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50" Please don't bring facts into the thread, we need fake news and Iranian propaganda to deflect from all the previous posts. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50" Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
"Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public. Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it. | |||
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"And trump if he gets this off ramp will at some point lash out again at the UK and others who didnt join in with his gamble.. " I heard an unconfirmed report that Starmer revoked permission for the US to use its bases here. If true…. Regardless of anything else, if I was Trump I’d close every single base in the UK asap. Theres no point spending hundreds of millions on bases you can’t use. I’m not saying we should have joined in the military action against Iran, but when you’re in a conflict and your friends take away some of your weapons, they are not your friends. Starmer knew the biggest threat to the UK was from the 40,000 Islamist terrorists already hiding in plain sight in the UK. He knew assisting Trump would mean hundreds of thousands of deaths in the UK when these people start bombing concerts and sports stadiums | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it. "A common theme unfortunately. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it. "Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here.. Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks.. All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others .. | |||
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"And trump if he gets this off ramp will at some point lash out again at the UK and others who didnt join in with his gamble.. I heard an unconfirmed report that Starmer revoked permission for the US to use its bases here. If true…. Regardless of anything else, if I was Trump I’d close every single base in the UK asap. Theres no point spending hundreds of millions on bases you can’t use. I’m not saying we should have joined in the military action against Iran, but when you’re in a conflict and your friends take away some of your weapons, they are not your friends. Starmer knew the biggest threat to the UK was from the 40,000 Islamist terrorists already hiding in plain sight in the UK. He knew assisting Trump would mean hundreds of thousands of deaths in the UK when these people start bombing concerts and sports stadiums " It was muted ( and probably conveyed to them) that were trump to carry out his threat to destroy their civilisation that would be a line we wouldn't be a part off in allowing them to use our bases.. Essentially its almost genocide.. We are referred to as America's biggest aircraft carrier, the three main bases here especially Fairford plus Diego Garcia are not going to be ditched by America.. That would be an own goal, especially the latter as it allows China to gain further influence and a strategically important base.. Defensive operations against military targets yes but power plants etc no.. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others .."Due to the Internet blackout we have really no idea what's happening in Iran. We don't know where the Supreme Leader is or if he's even still alive. We have no idea how strong or weak their command structures are, or how many new leaders are Mossad plants as so many were in the past. Reaching for the most pessimistic outcome has no real basis in evidence, just as forecasts of a 'new Iraq' or 'new Vietnam' look increasingly like wild and unfounded speculation. Viewing this conflict through an anti Trump lens ignores all the many other factors at play, many of which we have no idea about. Today is a day to celebrate peace, for which both Trump and whoever is in charge in Iran deserve credit. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others .."I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted. Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”. I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes. I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
Due to the Internet blackout we have really no idea what's happening in Iran. We don't know where the Supreme Leader is or if he's even still alive. We have no idea how strong or weak their command structures are, or how many new leaders are Mossad plants as so many were in the past.
Reaching for the most pessimistic outcome has no real basis in evidence, just as forecasts of a 'new Iraq' or 'new Vietnam' look increasingly like wild and unfounded speculation.
Viewing this conflict through an anti Trump lens ignores all the many other factors at play, many of which we have no idea about.
Today is a day to celebrate peace, for which both Trump and whoever is in charge in Iran deserve credit."Im absolutely anti trump on this.. Because its been a catastrophic episode of a poorly planned flip flop ego trip which he thought would be Venezuela 2 and ecstatic anti regime Iranians chanting his name as the regime gave up because the head bloke waa killed.. with changing aims and goals and untrue claims and backtracking and oh fuck I'm in a corner so I'll talk like a tyrant and threaten to destroy the civilisation whatever the impacts on the very people I claim I want free.. The reality is what it actually is not some bizarre it's all roses and lavender for the Iranians.. The uranium is still somewhere.. Hamas are still in place and hezbollah are so weakened from their setbacks last year Israel are having to invade Lebanon and take 20% of their land.. The Gulf States now realise just how dangerous to their economic future and societies Iran are and that America alone cant protect them.. Peace..? Tell it to the Lebanese or the Israeli civilians.. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
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"Hopefully now pump prices and uk interest rates will fall " While Trump fanboys and his haters argue 24/7 about him. He and is inner circle keep carrying on the most brazen open market manipulation in US history. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
"I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond.. 
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Trump basically gave up more than was on the original table So everything that was there pre war… and Iran potentially gets control of the straits of Hormuz… Trump really wanted an off ramp bad! His gulf backers are not going to be happy…. Iran already has military control of the Straight as ships won’t navigate it. This whole notion of arguing over who gets a better deal at the end of a war is only interesting to people who saw the war as an opportunity to slag one of the sides off. I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Please don't bring facts into the thread, we need fake news and Iranian propaganda to deflect from all the previous posts." I must have missed the Iranian propaganda, please point it out 🤷♂️ The only facts we have are trump chickened out or more likely had the rug pulled from under him and called a two week ceasefire. Meanwhile Iranian regime business as usual | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Trump basically gave up more than was on the original table So everything that was there pre war… and Iran potentially gets control of the straits of Hormuz… Trump really wanted an off ramp bad! His gulf backers are not going to be happy…. Iran already has military control of the Straight as ships won’t navigate it. This whole notion of arguing over who gets a better deal at the end of a war is only interesting to people who saw the war as an opportunity to slag one of the sides off. I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Please don't bring facts into the thread, we need fake news and Iranian propaganda to deflect from all the previous posts. I must have missed the Iranian propaganda, please point it out 🤷♂️ The only facts we have are trump chickened out or more likely had the rug pulled from under him and called a two week ceasefire. Meanwhile Iranian regime business as usual " When all's said and done, Iran are in a better position than the agreement Trump threw out previously, the one the Obama administration negotiated. | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it" No update on this?🤷 | |||
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"The leaders of France, Italy, Germany, Britain, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and the EU welcomed the ceasefire and in a joint statement urged a "swift and lasting end" to the war. "We call upon all sides to implement the ceasefire, including in Lebanon," they said. Israel are still striking Lebanon I see…" Still striking Hezbollah terrorists, yes 👏 | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
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"The leaders of France, Italy, Germany, Britain, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and the EU welcomed the ceasefire and in a joint statement urged a "swift and lasting end" to the war. "We call upon all sides to implement the ceasefire, including in Lebanon," they said. Israel are still striking Lebanon I see… Still striking Hezbollah terrorists, yes 👏" Lebanese health authorities report 126 dead children as well as hundreds more civilians since Israel went after the terrorists.. | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it No update on this?🤷" I doubt we will get anything from the US military on this until the next time Congress is filled with people who have a backbone and are able to dig into why there is such a large turnover of staff at the very top echelons at the moment. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?"It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region.. Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be? Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear.. As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation.. As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age.. So yeah.. Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect.. | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it No update on this?🤷 I doubt we will get anything from the US military on this until the next time Congress is filled with people who have a backbone and are able to dig into why there is such a large turnover of staff at the very top echelons at the moment. " I suppose on the upside that unlike Stalins purges there won't be one in the back of the head for those who are too woke to be part of hegseths war warrior culture going forward.. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect.."A civilisation wasn't destroyed. Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age. 50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'. Spot the difference? | |||
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"The leaders of France, Italy, Germany, Britain, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and the EU welcomed the ceasefire and in a joint statement urged a "swift and lasting end" to the war. "We call upon all sides to implement the ceasefire, including in Lebanon," they said. Israel are still striking Lebanon I see… Still striking Hezbollah terrorists, yes 👏 Lebanese health authorities report 126 dead children as well as hundreds more civilians since Israel went after the terrorists.. " 18,457 children killed in Gaza, 33,000 more with physical injuries Additional 38000 now one parent children and 16,000 complete orphans And people are complaining about torching Jewish ambulances | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it No update on this?🤷 I doubt we will get anything from the US military on this until the next time Congress is filled with people who have a backbone and are able to dig into why there is such a large turnover of staff at the very top echelons at the moment. " One common feature of conspiracy theories is that the 'real' truth is always out of reach. The reality now is that we have no evidence for the claim that was made, and the person who made it claims it has all been mysteriously wiped from the Internet. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect..
A civilisation wasn't destroyed.
Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age.
50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'.
Spot the difference? "No wrong again.. Once again you distorted what's actually been clearly said, stop it.. Read what i said and whom I said it about, your bias and twisted logic that anyone who doesn't agree with you blinkered rhetoric doesn't allow you the freedom to lie (again) without being corrected.. | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it No update on this?🤷 I doubt we will get anything from the US military on this until the next time Congress is filled with people who have a backbone and are able to dig into why there is such a large turnover of staff at the very top echelons at the moment. One common feature of conspiracy theories is that the 'real' truth is always out of reach. The reality now is that we have no evidence for the claim that was made, and the person who made it claims it has all been mysteriously wiped from the Internet." Which is why I have made no claims and simply expressed the observation that we will not know the truth until congressional hearings take place. That is the standard and proven mechanism to learn what actually took place. That time will come. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect..
A civilisation wasn't destroyed.
Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age.
50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'.
Spot the difference?
No wrong again..
Once again you distorted what's actually been clearly said, stop it..
Read what i said and whom I said it about, your bias and twisted logic that anyone who doesn't agree with you blinkered rhetoric doesn't allow you the freedom to lie (again) without being corrected..
"Your post is there for anyone to read although I imagine you'd dearly love to delete it. 'Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..' 50,000 dead. 'Pragmatic and bright.' Own it. | |||
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"It turns out the US military refused to carry out the orders Do you have a source for that? I haven’t seen that reported but it would be monumental if true. It was widely discussed after a leaked memo last night and the discussion disappeared this morning. I can't post it as forum rules prohibit copyright material but I'm sure lots of others have screenshots.amd news channels are probably verifying before running it No update on this?🤷 I doubt we will get anything from the US military on this until the next time Congress is filled with people who have a backbone and are able to dig into why there is such a large turnover of staff at the very top echelons at the moment. I suppose on the upside that unlike Stalins purges there won't be one in the back of the head for those who are too woke to be part of hegseths war warrior culture going forward.." Hegseth is “Secretary of War” so a “war warrior culture” is what one would expect. Under Biden of course the US military had been taken over by Wokesters and was struggling with recruitment. It’s surprising that fit aggressive young men don’t want to sit around having DEI lectures or being told that they are all racists and suffer from toxic masculinity. I imagine it’s a similar culture now here in the UK. Hence why we struggle to find a single ship to send to a war zone and then it breaks down. It’s sad that we need a military, but for those occasions when we do need a military I’d much prefer one that can actually turn up and kill people than identify how many pronouns there are. Hopefully this episode generally will get Britain to wake up from its fantasy slumber and get real. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect..
A civilisation wasn't destroyed.
Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age.
50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'.
Spot the difference? "Is there a reason you taking one sources figures as gospel. Estimates by Source Iranian Government: Officially reports 3,117 deaths as of February 2026. Officials claim most of these were "terrorists" or security forces, though activists dispute these labels. Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRANA): Has verified 7,007 deaths, including 236 minors and 207 security personnel, as of late February 2026. They are reportedly investigating over 11,000 additional cases. Medical Professionals & Networks: Reports from a network of over 80 doctors cite more than 30,000 clinically recorded deaths in hospitals and clinics. Some medical sources estimate the total could be as high as 33,000 to 36,500. United Nations: The UN Special Rapporteur on Iran stated that deaths number at least 5,000, with potential figures reaching 20,000 or more. Opposition Groups: Some activists and political figures, such as Reza Pahlavi, have suggested the toll could be as high as 50,000, though this figure remains unverified. | |||
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" Hopefully this episode generally will get Britain to wake up from its fantasy slumber and get real. " Like the doctors and nurses, recent governments have treated the military and its veterans poorly MOD threatening to dock pay for those complaining about poor housing. Doors opened by Starmer for Veterans to be prosecuted. Devonport royal dockyard full of knackered old ships. Poor security at RAF bases allowing protestors to break in with spray paint. | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect..
A civilisation wasn't destroyed.
Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age.
50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'.
Spot the difference?
Is there a reason you taking one sources figures as gospel.
Estimates by Source
Iranian Government: Officially reports 3,117 deaths as of February 2026. Officials claim most of these were "terrorists" or security forces, though activists dispute these labels.
Human Rights Activists in Iran (HRANA): Has verified 7,007 deaths, including 236 minors and 207 security personnel, as of late February 2026. They are reportedly investigating over 11,000 additional cases.
Medical Professionals & Networks: Reports from a network of over 80 doctors cite more than 30,000 clinically recorded deaths in hospitals and clinics. Some medical sources estimate the total could be as high as 33,000 to 36,500.
United Nations: The UN Special Rapporteur on Iran stated that deaths number at least 5,000, with potential figures reaching 20,000 or more.
Opposition Groups: Some activists and political figures, such as Reza Pahlavi, have suggested the toll could be as high as 50,000, though this figure remains unverified."Dwarfed by 2 million Gazans with destroyed homes. 73,000 killed, 270,000 with physical injures. Add those with psychological damage | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect..
A civilisation wasn't destroyed.
Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age.
50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'.
Spot the difference? "50000 people (you claim) killed by the same regime that trump has allegedly done a deal with. Own it ... | |||
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" I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Compromise..
They were talking then Israel attacked in Doha then again they were talking and Israel and America attacked again..
And now..
They'll talk again which is far preferable than what's been going on with only the slippery slope to destruction of a civilisation and a region in flames in retaliation ..
Talking while paramilitary troops were slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent, unarmed civilians in the streets and hanging women for showing a glimpse of hair in public.
Your point applies to both sides but you choose to not mention the genocide and only the attempt to stop it.
Wrong on your latter 'point', I've mentioned it many times even when you were previously on here..
Playing dead and tortured people who live under a shitty evil regime is a tawdry way to deflect from what has happened and will only make there plight worse whatever the outcome from the talks..
All that's happened is an entrenched regime that will come down hard upon its population and has made only minor setbacks to the irgc and others ..
I was referring to your post that i quoted. That’s why I quoted it. Saying you said something elsewhere at some point doesn’t deflect from what you did or didn’t say in the post I quoted.
Some of what you say in this post I agree with. I think it was Patton who said at the end of World War One, (and I paraphrase) “if we let the Germans off now with this armistice, we will be back doing this all again in a few years”.
I think regardless of if starting the conflict was right or wrong, it’s started and it needs a resolution that doesn’t leave then the Iranian citizens to be slaughtered by the million once it’s over and for the terrorists in the Iran government to continue to build nukes.
I think they need to understand that if they continue down that route, they get nuked. Nukes in the hands of Putin is bad enough. But in the hands of people who believe god wants them to nuke Isreal? Hardly conducive to world peace
I dont accept, acknowledge or respect your thinking that you get to dictate how I respond..
I've said on here Iran cant be allowed to develop a viable nuclear weapon and that must be absolutely sorted in these talks..
But the hardliners and oddly its reported that the previous Ayatollah was opposed to such a weapon as it was un Islamic and he kept the various factions in check..
Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..
If they transgress then I wouldn't disagree with a sustained attack using whatever means on their deep facilities..
The 'pragmatic' and not at all hardliners who killed 50000 of their own people in a few weeks ? Do you not see how absolutely mad that sounds?
It does yes but that's the geo political realities of the country and the region..
Less of a butcher, a tyrant as his son might turn out to be?
Those realities for the population will in time become sadly too clear..
As absolutely mad as destroying a civilisation..
As absolutely mad as taking Iran (and its population we want to free) back to the stone age..
So yeah..
Absolutely mad in such things isnt only one side no matter how much some try to detract and deflect..
A civilisation wasn't destroyed.
Iran wasn't taken back to the stone age.
50,000 people were killed by a regime led by the person you've labelled 'pragmatic'.
Spot the difference?
No wrong again..
Once again you distorted what's actually been clearly said, stop it..
Read what i said and whom I said it about, your bias and twisted logic that anyone who doesn't agree with you blinkered rhetoric doesn't allow you the freedom to lie (again) without being corrected..
Your post is there for anyone to read although I imagine you'd dearly love to delete it.
'Now, the hardliners may take over and the new one if alive is meant to be closer to the IRGC and nowhere near as 'pragmatic' or as bright as his dead father..'
50,000 dead. 'Pragmatic and bright.'
Own it."I stand by what i said about your own conduct on here, Croydon looting and riots last week ring a bell? His dad was described as pragmatic in relation to the talks that led to the deal in 2016 which allowed independent nuclear monitoring of iran.. How do you view the 1500 plus civilians killed by trump and Netanyahu alongside the thousands killed by the regime? Are they less worthy of your empathy? Or dont they serve a reason for you so can be chalked down to collateral damage.? The facts are, Iran at the point it is today is better off going forward, they will carry on supporting terror and being a regional threat and their citizens will be more under the cosh than before.. Trump is out of his depth, own it.. | |||
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"What more is there to say You could try explaining what you're on about, so that the rest of us can work out if there's anything else to say. This is the most recent wisdom from POTUS Ah! I see. Thanks for the info. For those of us that aren't completely obsessed by Trump, these threads can be difficult to follow." Do you not read or listen to the news? | |||
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"What more is there to say" "You could try explaining what you're on about, so that the rest of us can work out if there's anything else to say." "This is the most recent wisdom from POTUS" "Ah! I see. Thanks for the info. For those of us that aren't completely obsessed by Trump, these threads can be difficult to follow." "Do you not read or listen to the news?" I do, but I'm not that interested in what Trump says as it's usually nonsense. If the OP had started this thread with "Trump says ..." I could easily have ignored it, but he didn't and I couldn't work out what he was trying to say. | |||
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"Trump says he agrees to a proposed two-week ceasefire between the US and Iran if shipping traffic is allowed to move through the Strait of Hormuz. That seems a good compromise- over to Iran. Trump basically gave up more than was on the original table So everything that was there pre war… and Iran potentially gets control of the straits of Hormuz… Trump really wanted an off ramp bad! His gulf backers are not going to be happy…. Iran already has military control of the Straight as ships won’t navigate it. This whole notion of arguing over who gets a better deal at the end of a war is only interesting to people who saw the war as an opportunity to slag one of the sides off. I assume you’ve never agreed to settle an argument when you were adamant you were right, just to keep the peace? No agreement is ever 50:50 Please don't bring facts into the thread, we need fake news and Iranian propaganda to deflect from all the previous posts." Really… let’s take a few options… From the danish foreign minister…. “the world better off than it was yesterday… undoubtedly! It is better off than it was 40 days ago? Doubtful! From the Spanish prime minister… “the momentary relief can not make us forget the caos, the destruction and the lives lost! The government of Spain will not applaud those who set the world on fire just because in the end they brought a bucket! | |||
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"From trumps own mouth The US has received a ten point peace plan from Iran The points are clearly listed on US media sites for your perusal but Lifting if all sanctions Iran retain control of Hormuz straits US military withdrawal from the middle east An end to attacked on Iran and it's allies The release of frozen Iranian assets A UN security council resolution making any deal binding Iran seems to have agreed to hand over some uranium dust that trumpet obliterated last year basically a surrender by trump " When this was pointed out to the trump administration, they are saying it’s not that, but a new “super secret” 10 point plan that apparently no one has seen…. 
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"Seems like the pragmatic and bright Iranian 'leaders' have continued attacking Gulf States and civilian infrastructure after the ceasefire. Possibly false flag operations by Jewish ambulance drivers? 🤷" Seems to be a difference in opinion because the Iranians, Europe & the Pakistan PM all expected Lebanon to be part of the ceasefire. Israel has carried on bombing, so I guess that’s why the Iranians are? You’ve changed your tune btw. Trump delivered world peace this morning apparently. | |||
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"Seems like the pragmatic and bright Iranian 'leaders' have continued attacking Gulf States and civilian infrastructure after the ceasefire. Possibly false flag operations by Jewish ambulance drivers? 🤷 Seems to be a difference in opinion because the Iranians, Europe & the Pakistan PM all expected Lebanon to be part of the ceasefire. Israel has carried on bombing, so I guess that’s why the Iranians are? You’ve changed your tune btw. Trump delivered world peace this morning apparently." Trump delivers peace, Iran delivers war. Will never change unfortunately. | |||
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"Seems like the pragmatic and bright Iranian 'leaders' have continued attacking Gulf States and civilian infrastructure after the ceasefire. Possibly false flag operations by Jewish ambulance drivers? 🤷 Seems to be a difference in opinion because the Iranians, Europe & the Pakistan PM all expected Lebanon to be part of the ceasefire. Israel has carried on bombing, so I guess that’s why the Iranians are? You’ve changed your tune btw. Trump delivered world peace this morning apparently. Trump delivers peace, Iran delivers war. Will never change unfortunately." Tall Stories delivers drivel, will never change unfortunately. | |||
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"Seems like the pragmatic and bright Iranian 'leaders' have continued attacking Gulf States and civilian infrastructure after the ceasefire. Possibly false flag operations by Jewish ambulance drivers? 🤷 Seems to be a difference in opinion because the Iranians, Europe & the Pakistan PM all expected Lebanon to be part of the ceasefire. Israel has carried on bombing, so I guess that’s why the Iranians are? You’ve changed your tune btw. Trump delivered world peace this morning apparently. Trump delivers peace, Iran delivers war. Will never change unfortunately. Tall Stories delivers drivel, will never change unfortunately. " I definitely won't. | |||
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"Seems like the pragmatic and bright Iranian 'leaders' have continued attacking Gulf States and civilian infrastructure after the ceasefire. Possibly false flag operations by Jewish ambulance drivers? 🤷 Seems to be a difference in opinion because the Iranians, Europe & the Pakistan PM all expected Lebanon to be part of the ceasefire. Israel has carried on bombing, so I guess that’s why the Iranians are? You’ve changed your tune btw. Trump delivered world peace this morning apparently. Trump delivers peace, Iran delivers war. Will never change unfortunately." Israel wants war, Trumpet is compelled to comply | |||
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"More great news as Israel opens peace talks with Lebanon. All the signs are good from the Trump-Vance peace initiative. A lot of the delays seem to be down to the chaotic Iranian leadership which couldn't even translate documents correctly. "That's what happens when some thick cunt kills all the ones that have a grain of intelligence and tries to do a deal with what's left. Maybe he said have continued the original talks instead of starting an illegal war ? Own it ... | |||
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"More great news as Israel opens peace talks with Lebanon. All the signs are good from the Trump-Vance peace initiative. A lot of the delays seem to be down to the chaotic Iranian leadership which couldn't even translate documents correctly.
That's what happens when some thick cunt kills all the ones that have a grain of intelligence and tries to do a deal with what's left.
Maybe he said have continued the original talks instead of starting an illegal war ?
Own it ..."Unfortunately the Mad Mullahs have never been known for their grey matter. I guess you have to be a bit dim to believe all that old tosh ! | |||
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"The Mullahs, Trump, Netanyahu, Israeli settlers, Hamas & Hezbollah. A pox on all their houses please." No, we must wish them all peace.🙏 | |||
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"More great news as Israel opens peace talks with Lebanon. All the signs are good from the Trump-Vance peace initiative. A lot of the delays seem to be down to the chaotic Iranian leadership which couldn't even translate documents correctly.
That's what happens when some thick cunt kills all the ones that have a grain of intelligence and tries to do a deal with what's left.
Maybe he said have continued the original talks instead of starting an illegal war ?
Own it ...
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