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"You wouldn't believe it with the Council by-election results this week. The locals in May will see Labour, Tories and Lib Dems thrashed methinks with votes going to The Greens and Reform. Restore aren't running candidates and Advance are a minority fringe, so I don't see anything other than a Green and Reform wave in May. Hopefully Labour will be wiped out along with the Tories." I agree that they will probably do well in the local elections. Rightly or wrongly voters frequently use the locals to give the government of the day a kicking, and Labour will most definitely be getting a kicking. | |||
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He doesn't stack up, in the way he portrays - more people are repulsed and turned off by him | |||
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"“Support for Reform UK has slumped with barely a month to go until crucial elections across the country. In a major blow for Nigel Farage, two new opinion polls suggest the momentum the right-wing party has enjoyed over the last year is stalling ..." Google says: HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) is widely recognized as a left-leaning or liberal news website and blog. It is characterized by its progressive editorial stance, focus on social justice issues, and frequent use of sensationalist headlines. | |||
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"“Support for Reform UK has slumped with barely a month to go until crucial elections across the country. In a major blow for Nigel Farage, two new opinion polls suggest the momentum the right-wing party has enjoyed over the last year is stalling ... Google says: HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) is widely recognized as a left-leaning or liberal news website and blog. It is characterized by its progressive editorial stance, focus on social justice issues, and frequent use of sensationalist headlines." Ok & what about the Ashcroft poll? | |||
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"“Support for Reform UK has slumped with barely a month to go until crucial elections across the country. In a major blow for Nigel Farage, two new opinion polls suggest the momentum the right-wing party has enjoyed over the last year is stalling ... Google says: HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) is widely recognized as a left-leaning or liberal news website and blog. It is characterized by its progressive editorial stance, focus on social justice issues, and frequent use of sensationalist headlines. Ok & what about the Ashcroft poll?" What about it? It seems to be an outlier. The poll may be right, and the rest may be wrong there isn’t really a way of anyone knowing that. Ashcroft’s polls historically have been less accurate than many, and they aren’t a member of the British Polling Council. But as I say, the poll may be right and everyone else might be wrong, but it is an outlier. | |||
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"Anyone who reads mainstream media need their head checked. " I agree. Far better to get all your worldly knowledge from an obscure micro channel that explains why everyone, other than the author and you, is wrong about everything. Am I correct in thinking anything more than three readers now counts as msm? | |||
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"Anyone who reads mainstream media need their head checked. I agree. Far better to get all your worldly knowledge from an obscure micro channel that explains why everyone, other than the author and you, is wrong about everything. Am I correct in thinking anything more than three readers now counts as msm?" Anyone who blindly believes any single media channel, MSM or micro, is leaving themselves open to being manipulated. All media is biased. Those that claim to not be biased are usually the most biased. Listening to different points of view is the only way to form your own. | |||
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"Support for Reform UK has slumped with barely a month to go until crucial elections across the country. In a major blow for Nigel Farage, two new opinion polls suggest the momentum the right-wing party has enjoyed over the last year is stalling ..." "Google says: HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) is widely recognized as a left-leaning or liberal news website and blog. It is characterized by its progressive editorial stance, focus on social justice issues, and frequent use of sensationalist headlines." "Ok & what about the Ashcroft poll?" Perhaps I should have been clearer. The Ashcroft poll is an outlier, not matching the numbers reported by all other polls. All of the words in the first post were from the Huffington Post, a media source known for its left-leaning bias, and which is prone to exaggeration in its stories. If other polls come up with similar numbers, or the Ashcroft poll is examined by a media outlet with a better reputation, this would be worth discussing. As it is, this is just a biased source reporting on biased data. | |||
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"Support for Reform UK has slumped with barely a month to go until crucial elections across the country. In a major blow for Nigel Farage, two new opinion polls suggest the momentum the right-wing party has enjoyed over the last year is stalling ... Google says: HuffPost (formerly The Huffington Post) is widely recognized as a left-leaning or liberal news website and blog. It is characterized by its progressive editorial stance, focus on social justice issues, and frequent use of sensationalist headlines. Ok & what about the Ashcroft poll? Perhaps I should have been clearer. The Ashcroft poll is an outlier, not matching the numbers reported by all other polls. All of the words in the first post were from the Huffington Post, a media source known for its left-leaning bias, and which is prone to exaggeration in its stories. If other polls come up with similar numbers, or the Ashcroft poll is examined by a media outlet with a better reputation, this would be worth discussing. As it is, this is just a biased source reporting on biased data." There is also a Norstat poll for the Sunday Times that shows lower numbers for Reform in Scotland too. Agree it’s early days though & yes the HuffPost are likely getting a little giddy trumpeting Reform’s demise, but I guess we will soon see won’t we? | |||
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"Agree it’s early days though & yes the HuffPost are likely getting a little giddy trumpeting Reform’s demise, but I guess we will soon see won’t we?" I'll be much happier after the local elections when we'll have some concrete numbers to discuss. | |||
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"Agree it’s early days though & yes the HuffPost are likely getting a little giddy trumpeting Reform’s demise, but I guess we will soon see won’t we? I'll be much happier after the local elections when we'll have some concrete numbers to discuss." If Reform do badly, will you call Foul because Muslims? | |||
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"Agree it’s early days though & yes the HuffPost are likely getting a little giddy trumpeting Reform’s demise, but I guess we will soon see won’t we? I'll be much happier after the local elections when we'll have some concrete numbers to discuss. If Reform do badly, will you call Foul because Muslims?" If they do well will you blame far right media and people’s stupidity? | |||
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"I'll be much happier after the local elections when we'll have some concrete numbers to discuss." "If Reform do badly, will you call Foul because Muslims?" I'm not sure what makes you think I'm a Reform supporter. But no, if Reform get low numbers of votes it'll be because people don't like them. | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=)" Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. | |||
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"Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble." Nobody does think that. Unless you're including the Tories in your definition of 'far right', in which case it's your own head that needs wobbling. | |||
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"I assume that there is a difference between hard right and far right..." Especially on a motorway | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble." The Lib Dems were in Govt with the Tories 11 years ago, yet they get lumped in with Labour and the Greens when it suits the maths. Reform are nowhere near being 'hard right'. At a push you might put Restore in that box. And as for the Greens being 'progressive'! Anti nuclear, anti growth and supportive of Iran and Hamas. | |||
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"Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. Nobody does think that. Unless you're including the Tories in your definition of 'far right', in which case it's your own head that needs wobbling." I wasn’t, more taking aim at those who think the majority of voters share Farage’s views. I do think some people do think that btw. | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. The Lib Dems were in Govt with the Tories 11 years ago, yet they get lumped in with Labour and the Greens when it suits the maths. Reform are nowhere near being 'hard right'. At a push you might put Restore in that box. And as for the Greens being 'progressive'! Anti nuclear, anti growth and supportive of Iran and Hamas." The Lib Dems went into coalition & suffered at the polls for it at the next GE. That should give you & them a big clue what their voter base thought. | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble." Another poll, FindOutNow: RFM: 30% (=) LAB: 20% (+1) CON: 19% (-2) GRN: 12% (=) LDM: 12% (+1) SNP: 2% (=) Extreme Far Right Loons at 49%, Reasonable Centrists at 46%! | |||
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"I think Restore has taken a proportion of the Reform vote. Just like the Greens have taken a massive chunk of the Labour vote. I don’t think many people will cross the political divide from left to right or vice versa." In Wales reform Ltd and their previous version have taken left wing votes in recent Senedd elecfions. Populism creates hate that pulls from more than the right and far right. If only people read policies, soon would correct the stupidity of mnay voters to be led by the press. | |||
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"In Wales reform Ltd and their previous version have taken left wing votes in recent Senedd elecfions. Populism creates hate that pulls from more than the right and far right. If only people read policies, soon would correct the stupidity of mnay voters to be led by the press." So what's in Reform's published policies that you think would put off some of the people swayed by the press? | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. The Lib Dems were in Govt with the Tories 11 years ago, yet they get lumped in with Labour and the Greens when it suits the maths. Reform are nowhere near being 'hard right'. At a push you might put Restore in that box. And as for the Greens being 'progressive'! Anti nuclear, anti growth and supportive of Iran and Hamas. The Lib Dems went into coalition & suffered at the polls for it at the next GE. That should give you & them a big clue what their voter base thought." Their vote in 2015 went pretty evenly to the Cons and Labour which is one reason Cameron won outright in 2015. The Lib Dems are a genuine centre ground party that's always drawn support and policies from left and right, which is why lumping them with the Greens as a progressive vote makes no more sense than lumping them with Reform as a cnservative one. | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. The Lib Dems were in Govt with the Tories 11 years ago, yet they get lumped in with Labour and the Greens when it suits the maths. Reform are nowhere near being 'hard right'. At a push you might put Restore in that box. And as for the Greens being 'progressive'! Anti nuclear, anti growth and supportive of Iran and Hamas. The Lib Dems went into coalition & suffered at the polls for it at the next GE. That should give you & them a big clue what their voter base thought. Their vote in 2015 went pretty evenly to the Cons and Labour which is one reason Cameron won outright in 2015. The Lib Dems are a genuine centre ground party that's always drawn support and policies from left and right, which is why lumping them with the Greens as a progressive vote makes no more sense than lumping them with Reform as a cnservative one. " 2015 was an interesting election mainly because of the looming questions surrounding EU membership. Probably the high water mark in recent times of the right wing vote (49.5%) The Libs are more usually seen as progressives, not conservatives. Here’s the Google AI summary: “Yes, the UK Liberal Democrats are generally considered a progressive, centrist-to-centre-left party. They blend social liberalism with economic policies that favor investment in public services, internationalism, and robust environmental protections. They strongly advocate for civil liberties, LGBTQ+ rights, and constitutional reform, including electoral changes to proportional representation” | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. Another poll, FindOutNow: RFM: 30% (=) LAB: 20% (+1) CON: 19% (-2) GRN: 12% (=) LDM: 12% (+1) SNP: 2% (=) Extreme Far Right Loons at 49%, Reasonable Centrists at 46%!" Find Out Now (FON) is a legitimate, British Polling Council-accredited research firm that frequently produces different results than other pollsters, specifically showing higher support for Reform UK and lower support for Labour. While critics call them outliers, FON argues their methodology, which uses non-incentivized, real-time consumers, is more accurate, though they are often seen as pro-Reform or right-leaning | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. The Lib Dems were in Govt with the Tories 11 years ago, yet they get lumped in with Labour and the Greens when it suits the maths. Reform are nowhere near being 'hard right'. At a push you might put Restore in that box. And as for the Greens being 'progressive'! Anti nuclear, anti growth and supportive of Iran and Hamas. The Lib Dems went into coalition & suffered at the polls for it at the next GE. That should give you & them a big clue what their voter base thought. Their vote in 2015 went pretty evenly to the Cons and Labour which is one reason Cameron won outright in 2015. The Lib Dems are a genuine centre ground party that's always drawn support and policies from left and right, which is why lumping them with the Greens as a progressive vote makes no more sense than lumping them with Reform as a cnservative one. 2015 was an interesting election mainly because of the looming questions surrounding EU membership. Probably the high water mark in recent times of the right wing vote (49.5%) The Libs are more usually seen as progressives, not conservatives. Here’s the Google AI summary: “Yes, the UK Liberal Democrats are generally considered a progressive, centrist-to-centre-left party. They blend social liberalism with economic policies that favor investment in public services, internationalism, and robust environmental protections. They strongly advocate for civil liberties, LGBTQ+ rights, and constitutional reform, including electoral changes to proportional representation”" I'm sorry but I safely disregard all AI slop on anything political ! | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble. The Lib Dems were in Govt with the Tories 11 years ago, yet they get lumped in with Labour and the Greens when it suits the maths. Reform are nowhere near being 'hard right'. At a push you might put Restore in that box. And as for the Greens being 'progressive'! Anti nuclear, anti growth and supportive of Iran and Hamas. The Lib Dems went into coalition & suffered at the polls for it at the next GE. That should give you & them a big clue what their voter base thought. Their vote in 2015 went pretty evenly to the Cons and Labour which is one reason Cameron won outright in 2015. The Lib Dems are a genuine centre ground party that's always drawn support and policies from left and right, which is why lumping them with the Greens as a progressive vote makes no more sense than lumping them with Reform as a cnservative one. 2015 was an interesting election mainly because of the looming questions surrounding EU membership. Probably the high water mark in recent times of the right wing vote (49.5%) The Libs are more usually seen as progressives, not conservatives. Here’s the Google AI summary: “Yes, the UK Liberal Democrats are generally considered a progressive, centrist-to-centre-left party. They blend social liberalism with economic policies that favor investment in public services, internationalism, and robust environmental protections. They strongly advocate for civil liberties, LGBTQ+ rights, and constitutional reform, including electoral changes to proportional representation” I'm sorry but I safely disregard all AI slop on anything political !" Fair enough, just picked it as a readily available ’neutral’ source tbf! | |||
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"Starmer “playing a blinder” over Iran. “Green Surge”! Latest YouGov: RFM: 24% (=) CON: 19% (=) LAB: 16% (-2) GRN: 16% (-3) LDM: 13% (+1) RES: 4% (New) SNP: 3% (=) Still Conservatives 47%, Progressives 48% though innit. Anybody who thinks a hard right view is predominant in this country needs to give their head a wobble." I think it's wrong to say that hard right view is "predominant". But Reform/Restore's 28% and Green's 16% does show that a good proportion of people are tired of the moderate parties. This is indeed a huge change. | |||
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