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"What a golden opportunity to expose the current US ruling elite as dangerous and out of control. Get all of the press statements and speeches from the US leading administration (namely the president, vice president, head of department for war), and play the contradictions and in some cases blatant lies back to the rest of the US government and people and ask are you happy to continue with this? The idea of changing a bullying regime where people who challenge it are accused of crimes and locked up, people killed by authorities whilst protesting, the public treated as second rate citizens and left to rot if they are poor.... a good idea, take your pick which country to start with." The Democrats will do the first part but I reckon they'll turn a blind eye to some parts of the second.. Cynical sod that I am.. | |||
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"This is an ongoing operation less than two weeks old, so I don't think 'was it worth it? ' is the right question." When in your opinion might it be an appropriate question? Iraq and Afghanistan tend to suggest that for many tens of thousands it simply wasn't.. One might think a superpower might learn from its mistakes yet recent history and in the last century post ww2 as well history shows otherwise.. Unless you think this time it will be so different its going to be the same outcome more than likely.. | |||
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"This is an ongoing operation less than two weeks old, so I don't think 'was it worth it? ' is the right question. When in your opinion might it be an appropriate question? Iraq and Afghanistan tend to suggest that for many tens of thousands it simply wasn't.. One might think a superpower might learn from its mistakes yet recent history and in the last century post ww2 as well history shows otherwise.. Unless you think this time it will be so different its going to be the same outcome more than likely.." I would say an initial assessment could be made after a couple of months, but of course that could change for better or worse over time. | |||
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"This is an ongoing operation less than two weeks old, so I don't think 'was it worth it? ' is the right question. When in your opinion might it be an appropriate question? Iraq and Afghanistan tend to suggest that for many tens of thousands it simply wasn't.. One might think a superpower might learn from its mistakes yet recent history and in the last century post ww2 as well history shows otherwise.. Unless you think this time it will be so different its going to be the same outcome more than likely.. I would say an initial assessment could be made after a couple of months, but of course that could change for better or worse over time." It won't run into that long.. Too many negatives for trump, the gulf states and the global economy.. the longer it goes on the more even the most loyal MAGA and Republicans will start to realise that Trump has seriously put the mid terms in jeopardy. And strengthens the Iranian regime.. | |||
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"This is an ongoing operation less than two weeks old, so I don't think 'was it worth it? ' is the right question. When in your opinion might it be an appropriate question? Iraq and Afghanistan tend to suggest that for many tens of thousands it simply wasn't.. One might think a superpower might learn from its mistakes yet recent history and in the last century post ww2 as well history shows otherwise.. Unless you think this time it will be so different its going to be the same outcome more than likely.. I would say an initial assessment could be made after a couple of months, but of course that could change for better or worse over time. It won't run into that long.. Too many negatives for trump, the gulf states and the global economy.. the longer it goes on the more even the most loyal MAGA and Republicans will start to realise that Trump has seriously put the mid terms in jeopardy. And strengthens the Iranian regime.." The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. " How, at this point, can they be stopped? | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. How, at this point, can they be stopped?" Only around a table. Negotiations with terrorists is uncomfortable but essential. Sadly. | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. How, at this point, can they be stopped? Only around a table. Negotiations with terrorists is uncomfortable but essential. Sadly. " Arafat address to the UN "Today I have come bearing an olive branch and a freedom-fighter's gun. Do not let the olive branch fall from my hand". 13 November 1974 51 years later……. | |||
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" the longer it goes on the more even the most loyal MAGA and Republicans will start to realise that Trump has seriously put the mid terms in jeopardy. " And a recent survey showed more than 60% of Americans think Trump's tarrifs have increased prices for consumers. The other 30+% must be stupid No doubt he'll change the voting rules to prevent defeat | |||
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"This is an ongoing operation less than two weeks old, so I don't think 'was it worth it? ' is the right question. When in your opinion might it be an appropriate question? Iraq and Afghanistan tend to suggest that for many tens of thousands it simply wasn't.. One might think a superpower might learn from its mistakes yet recent history and in the last century post ww2 as well history shows otherwise.. Unless you think this time it will be so different its going to be the same outcome more than likely.. I would say an initial assessment could be made after a couple of months, but of course that could change for better or worse over time. It won't run into that long.. Too many negatives for trump, the gulf states and the global economy.. the longer it goes on the more even the most loyal MAGA and Republicans will start to realise that Trump has seriously put the mid terms in jeopardy. And strengthens the Iranian regime.. The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. " Agreed.. If one were a cynic one might think that the reach and influences of the American military industrial complex is far and wide .. | |||
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"Trump says that Iran will be hit "very hard" over the next week, adding "we've already damaged them so badly” What’s left? the nuclear, navy, air force all destroyed he said earlier this week. " He’s destroyed their nuclear capability twice in nine months. Nobody has ever done that. Probably nobody, I thought I heard someone say that nobody had done that. So much winning, they said. It’s so big, so good. Iran will never have nuclear again, even if they started work on it right away. Never. Beautiful big nuclear sites just destroyed by jets. Fast jets, with bombs and missiles. Oh you should have seen them, it was so special, all that winning. | |||
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"Trump says that Iran will be hit "very hard" over the next week, adding "we've already damaged them so badly” What’s left? the nuclear, navy, air force all destroyed he said earlier this week. " Hundreds perhaps thousands of sea drones apparently, and enough air drones to wreak havoc | |||
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"Trump says that Iran will be hit "very hard" over the next week, adding "we've already damaged them so badly” What’s left? the nuclear, navy, air force all destroyed he said earlier this week. Hundreds perhaps thousands of sea drones apparently, and enough air drones to wreak havoc " Yet no attacks in last 24 hours. Must be a drone Bank Holiday.  | |||
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"“we’ve been killing innocent people all over the world for 47 years, and now I, as the 47th President of the United States of America, am also killing them . What a great honor it is to do so!”" Edited for you… | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
"It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans. | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans. "Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again. Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former. | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former."In his first term, his generals managed to talk him out of invading Venezuela. I think he's sacked everybody now and left with 'yes' men & women. Wouldn't trust him with a potato gun. Let alone the nuclear codes. | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former."Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here. | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former.
Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here."Well, the US military certainly are the experts in preplanning & fully thinking through full consequences of military intervention, they have such a great track record don’t they? | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former.
Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here."How long did the prep take when they bombed the school? | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former.
Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here.
How long did the prep take when they bombed the school?"If this was so throughly preplanned, why are the US only *now* sending more ships & another 5000 marines to the gulf that will clearly take more time to get there? | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former.
Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here.
How long did the prep take when they bombed the school?"As I was saying | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former.
Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here.
How long did the prep take when they bombed the school?
If this was so throughly preplanned, why are the US only *now* sending more ships & another 5000 marines to the gulf that will clearly take more time to get there?"The US had been building up its fleet and capacity in the region for months. | |||
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"I’m waiting for the Iranian uprising to begin any minute now
It began in January and 50,000 people were killed. But heh, those evil Americans.
Yes Trump unzipped & thought about getting his d1ck out didn’t he, then zipped back up whilst ‘50000 deaths’ were being carried out before now belatedly getting it out again.
Foreign policy which turns on a dime. Or ‘genius’ depending on your viewpoint. Personally, I’m going with the former.
Or perhaps major military operations take some time to prepare. I'll leave that up to the many experts on here.
How long did the prep take when they bombed the school?
If this was so throughly preplanned, why are the US only *now* sending more ships & another 5000 marines to the gulf that will clearly take more time to get there?
The US had been building up its fleet and capacity in the region for months."So why would they need more at shorter notice? Seems like a lack of pre panning to me. | |||
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"If this was so throughly preplanned, why are the US only *now* sending more ships & another 5000 marines to the gulf that will clearly take more time to get there?" Propaganda. They might already have people in place and ready to go, but announcing that the Marines are coming will help to demoralise the enemy, and make them more likely to abandon their posts when the attack does finally arrive. Not that I have any inside knowledge, that's just a scenario where you might want to publicly delay sending troops. | |||
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"The sending of one Marine amphibious group is tokenism at best. Not enough for "boots on the ground" and too tempting a target for serious potential casualties. The Trump purge of the Pentagon is beginning to show how only the boneheads have been left in charge." This .. Plus any seaborne assault means bringing in the ships a hello of a lot closer than they currently are.. So far the propaganda of how much winning and how little Iran has left and putting a fleet off the coast to enable what they need is a massive gamble.. | |||
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"Send us your ships says the confused man child.. A week after saying we dont want the UK to join a war we've already won, which we weren't about to.. "Better for allied forces to ‘stay a little off the frontlines” | |||
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"The US has been in conflict with Iran since the Revolution of 1979 with multiple confrontations under different Presidents. The idea that the military and intelligence leaders have not modelled most if not all probable outcomes shows little understanding of how these processes actually work. Of course it is possible that Trump has overriden all of these and is making it up as he goes along, but this seems unlikely to me." Why unlikely? Making it up, lying and bullshitting is the story of his life | |||
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"The US has been in conflict with Iran since the Revolution of 1979 with multiple confrontations under different Presidents. The idea that the military and intelligence leaders have not modelled most if not all probable outcomes shows little understanding of how these processes actually work. Of course it is possible that Trump has overriden all of these and is making it up as he goes along, but this seems unlikely to me. Why unlikely? Making it up, lying and bullshitting is the story of his life " Works for me ! | |||
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"The US has been in conflict with Iran since the Revolution of 1979 with multiple confrontations under different Presidents. The idea that the military and intelligence leaders have not modelled most if not all probable outcomes shows little understanding of how these processes actually work. Of course it is possible that Trump has overriden all of these and is making it up as he goes along, but this seems unlikely to me. Why unlikely? Making it up, lying and bullshitting is the story of his life " It fools the gullible and those who idolise him.. | |||
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"The US has been in conflict with Iran since the Revolution of 1979 with multiple confrontations under different Presidents. The idea that the military and intelligence leaders have not modelled most if not all probable outcomes shows little understanding of how these processes actually work. Of course it is possible that Trump has overriden all of these and is making it up as he goes along, but this seems unlikely to me. Why unlikely? Making it up, lying and bullshitting is the story of his life It fools the gullible and those who idolise him.. " Thank goodness there are superior intellects among us ! | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along " 
No plan..
No strategy..
Totally mixed messages..
He's making Bush jnr look decisive..
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along " That's literally what I said 🤷 | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷" ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces" Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases. | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases." You do stand up comedy too.. | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases. You do stand up comedy too.. "Funny and clever, can you believe it ?  | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases. You do stand up comedy too..
Funny and clever, can you believe it ? "I'll get back to you.. | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases. You do stand up comedy too..
Funny and clever, can you believe it ?
I'll get back to you.."Don't take too long, I'm booked out until June. | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases. You do stand up comedy too..
Funny and clever, can you believe it ?
I'll get back to you..
Don't take too long, I'm booked out until June."Typo? Do you mean they've let you out till then? | |||
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"I'd question the intellect of anyone who thinks it unlikely that Trump is making it all up as he goes along That's literally what I said 🤷 ...which is why I question your intellect. Although the tribalism of politics seems to make people resistant to what's in front of their faces Thank goodness those with superior intellects are immune to such biases. You do stand up comedy too..
Funny and clever, can you believe it ?
I'll get back to you..
Don't take too long, I'm booked out until June.
Typo?
Do you mean they've let you out till then?"🤣🤣 | |||
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"Send us your ships says the confused man child.. A week after saying we dont want the UK to join a war we've already won, which we weren't about to..
Staying in Portsmouth sounds the safest bet.
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"Send us your ships says the confused man child.. A week after saying we dont want the UK to join a war we've already won, which we weren't about to.. "He really is a cheeky cnut. I’m amazed the Spaniards are the only ones so far with big enough cojones to tell him to feck off. ‘Ooo but what about the tariffs’ | |||
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"Send us your ships says the confused man child.. A week after saying we dont want the UK to join a war we've already won, which we weren't about to..
He really is a cheeky cnut. I’m amazed the Spaniards are the only ones so far with big enough cojones to tell him to feck off.
‘Ooo but what about the tariffs’"He's now surpassed Bush for his 'mission accomplished' drivel.. They might be better off impeaching him to stop any prolonged stupidity.. | |||
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"The world had to stop the minority IRGC. They were building long range missiles now put those together with nuclear fuel which they have in their powerstations an you get a dirty bomb that will hit most cities in Europe. killing many more by a horrid means of death. Fact that they are attcking countries around them shows they would use these an thier mentel state tells them they will go to heaven after doing so. It is not Iran but the minority that are ruling. The majority of Iranian people want this war to get rid of the dictators. Bet you cant stand the fact that Israel are fighting for the majority Muslim nation." 👏👏 | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. " That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. " Given their ignorance on just what it will take to actually overthrow a regime by force they won't last long.. As usual with such things they also have very short memories and are the types who walk past when the many charities doing great work for our veterans are collecting .. | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called?" The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. " Which side would we be fighting on ? | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. Which side would we be fighting on ?" The same side as the Epstein guy | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. Which side would we be fighting on ? The same side as the Epstein guy "Mandelson is involved? The Queen's Infantry I guess. | |||
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"The world had to stop the minority IRGC. They were building long range missiles now put those together with nuclear fuel which they have in their powerstations an you get a dirty bomb that will hit most cities in Europe. killing many more by a horrid means of death. Fact that they are attcking countries around them shows they would use these an thier mentel state tells them they will go to heaven after doing so. It is not Iran but the minority that are ruling. The majority of Iranian people want this war to get rid of the dictators. Bet you cant stand the fact that Israel are fighting for the majority Muslim nation." We’ve heard this record before mate, remember Saddam? ‘45 minutes from attack’ & all that. …& even if Iran DID get a nuke, do we think in reality the mullahs, given the choice, would not rather carry on ruling the Iranian roost on earth before they d*unk ‘the sweet nectar of martyrdom’ so to speak? Rocket man Kim hasn’t pressed the button has he? Don’t underestimate the lure of holding power over people. All that goes if they actually pressed the button… | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? " That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. " It could be argued however you like. Those who feel no particular fondness for a nation is unlikely to perform well when forced to fight for it, and surely better to utilise a resource who would care about their task, no? (It’s a moot point - by and large. military drafts don’t work except in specific situations) | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. " Also it's a free holiday away from Brexit Britain 😎🍹 | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. It could be argued however you like. Those who feel no particular fondness for a nation is unlikely to perform well when forced to fight for it, and surely better to utilise a resource who would care about their task, no? (It’s a moot point - by and large. military drafts don’t work except in specific situations)" You are the person who started the idea of conscription 🤷 | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. It could be argued however you like. Those who feel no particular fondness for a nation is unlikely to perform well when forced to fight for it, and surely better to utilise a resource who would care about their task, no? (It’s a moot point - by and large. military drafts don’t work except in specific situations) You are the person who started the idea of conscription 🤷" No, I was pointing out that we have some strangely gung-ho individuals on fabs who seem to like to prospect of war. | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. It could be argued however you like. Those who feel no particular fondness for a nation is unlikely to perform well when forced to fight for it, and surely better to utilise a resource who would care about their task, no? (It’s a moot point - by and large. military drafts don’t work except in specific situations) You are the person who started the idea of conscription 🤷 No, I was pointing out that we have some strangely gung-ho individuals on fabs who seem to like to prospect of war. " fair enough | |||
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"At least if the govt ever decide to go with a military draft we can point them in the direction of some willing cannon-fodder on the fabs forum. That goes 2 ways I would have a thought? Those who don't value the rock they stand on and would rather be anywhere else, Italy for example. Shouldn't they be the first to be called? The rock we stand on? That’s the earth, isn’t it? That isn't answering the question. If a person shows no patriotism, where would they sit in the draft? It could be argued they are the boots on the ground as it would be of little loss to the wider citizens they are amongst. It could be argued however you like. Those who feel no particular fondness for a nation is unlikely to perform well when forced to fight for it, and surely better to utilise a resource who would care about their task, no? (It’s a moot point - by and large. military drafts don’t work except in specific situations) You are the person who started the idea of conscription 🤷 No, I was pointing out that we have some strangely gung-ho individuals on fabs who seem to like to prospect of war. I think 'war' needs two sides to fight. "Well one side is led by a militant guy who restricts rights to citizens, oppresses women and threatens everyone, and the other is Iran | |||
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"conscription is a moot point atm because luckily we have a government that isn't dragging us into a war despite the potus' desperate begging. 🙏🙏" He’s certainly in a difficult place now, this is a USA Israel war. Hopefully it stays that way. When the body bags start going back to the USA he will be in big trouble. | |||
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" “The United States of America has beaten and completely decimated Iran, both Militarily, Economically, and in every other way, but the Countries of the World that receive Oil through the Hormuz Strait must take care of that passage, and we will help – A LOT,” the US president wrote in a Truth Social post. He added that “the US will also coordinate with those Countries so that everything goes quickly, smoothly, and well. This should have always been a team effort, and now it will be – It will bring the World together toward Harmony, Security, and Everlasting Peace!”" Or to paraphrase.. I started something without thinking, ignoring what the other lot said they would do and with no idea what to do now so can you send your people into harms way so I can say i have support and to not only have our military die.. | |||
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" There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 " Shall we ask again? Who has expressed support for Iran? | |||
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" There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Shall we ask again? Who has expressed support for Iran? " 🤫 | |||
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" There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Shall we ask again? Who has expressed support for Iran? 🤫" Nobody? Thought so | |||
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" There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Shall we ask again? Who has expressed support for Iran? 🤫 Nobody? Thought so "🤐 | |||
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"Iranian ballistic and drone attacks dropped by 95% since start of conflict. New 'leader' can't even make a TV or radio appearance. Military defences of Kragg Island completely neutralised. Yes it's going so badly for the US." Dont mention the Hormuz straight though | |||
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"If this was so throughly preplanned, why are the US only *now* sending more ships & another 5000 marines to the gulf that will clearly take more time to get there? Propaganda. They might already have people in place and ready to go, but announcing that the Marines are coming will help to demoralise the enemy, and make them more likely to abandon their posts when the attack does finally arrive. Not that I have any inside knowledge, that's just a scenario where you might want to publicly delay sending troops." Fabian tactics. Delaying going to war to wear your opposition down, keeping them in an extended period of hyper vigilance. I honestly don’t think this is the case here though. Incompetence or working with press cycles to sustain pdfile distractions is more likely. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 " Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .." I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict." What does winning look like? What are the goals and when will they be achieved? I want to see a ceasefire and negotiation immediately (as that’s how all wars end anyway, even illegal ones like this) | |||
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"Iranian ballistic and drone attacks dropped by 95% since start of conflict. New 'leader' can't even make a TV or radio appearance. Military defences of Kragg Island completely neutralised. Yes it's going so badly for the US. Dont mention the Hormuz straight though " No let's mention the Straits of Hormuz. Most of the oil that passes through the Straits goes to Asia, especially China (Iran's big ally) and India (neutral in this conflict). It's being reported (unconfirmed) that both countries have agreed safe passage which if true (and it is an 'if') would account for about 50% of traffic through the Straits. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia have their pipeline running at full capacity which could potentially take about 20% of the oil which normally uses the Straits. And the US is reported to have destroyed all the military defences on Kragg Island raising the threat to Iran that they could seize it and control all Iran's oil exports. All the above is subject to change and confirmation but also explains why oil prices have not gone much higher than could have been predicted by any Middle East conflict. The general feeling seems to be that most ships are waiting for the worst of the conflict to pass before resuming passage through the Straits. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict." No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. What does winning look like? What are the goals and when will they be achieved? I want to see a ceasefire and negotiation immediately (as that’s how all wars end anyway, even illegal ones like this)" Trump and Israel have always been clear about their goals. - Significant degrade Irans military capacity to attack Israel and its neighbours. - Significantly setback Iran's nuclear programme. - Remove the existing political and military leadership and weaken any successor. - Significantly weaken Iran's ability to arm terrorist proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. I can't see how anyone could seriously argue that all the above have not been actually or substantially achieved. Unfortunately Iran probably has stored uranium out of the reach of any attack but the means to build a nuclear weapon has been massively set back. I wish Israel and US had been more explicit about a meaningful regime change but it is too early to say this may not happen in some form. 🙏 | |||
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" I can't see how anyone could seriously argue that all the above have not been actually or substantially achieved. So the war over then. Great stuff. Time for ceasefire and then the UN can discuss implications of the illegal act. " I imagine the worst of the conflict will soon be over, yes, unless the Mad Mullahs do something stupid. The UN can fuck right off though. | |||
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" I can't see how anyone could seriously argue that all the above have not been actually or substantially achieved. So the war over then. Great stuff. Time for ceasefire and then the UN can discuss implications of the illegal act. I imagine the worst of the conflict will soon be over, yes, unless the Mad Mullahs do something stupid. The UN can fuck right off though." Do you believe that any nation should be able to indiscriminately attack sovereign nations to achieve goals such as regime change, then? | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.." I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! | |||
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" I can't see how anyone could seriously argue that all the above have not been actually or substantially achieved. So the war over then. Great stuff. Time for ceasefire and then the UN can discuss implications of the illegal act. I imagine the worst of the conflict will soon be over, yes, unless the Mad Mullahs do something stupid. The UN can fuck right off though. Do you believe that any nation should be able to indiscriminately attack sovereign nations to achieve goals such as regime change, then? " If they are good nations and the others are wrong uns, yes. | |||
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" I can't see how anyone could seriously argue that all the above have not been actually or substantially achieved. So the war over then. Great stuff. Time for ceasefire and then the UN can discuss implications of the illegal act. I imagine the worst of the conflict will soon be over, yes, unless the Mad Mullahs do something stupid. The UN can fuck right off though. Do you believe that any nation should be able to indiscriminately attack sovereign nations to achieve goals such as regime change, then? If they are good nations and the others are wrong uns, yes." And since some nations would consider the U.K. or USA to be ‘wrong uns’ you’d accept the rights of nations to indiscriminately attack us or the USA? That’s why the UN exists. | |||
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" I can't see how anyone could seriously argue that all the above have not been actually or substantially achieved. So the war over then. Great stuff. Time for ceasefire and then the UN can discuss implications of the illegal act. I imagine the worst of the conflict will soon be over, yes, unless the Mad Mullahs do something stupid. The UN can fuck right off though. Do you believe that any nation should be able to indiscriminately attack sovereign nations to achieve goals such as regime change, then? If they are good nations and the others are wrong uns, yes. And since some nations would consider the U.K. or USA to be ‘wrong uns’ you’d accept the rights of nations to indiscriminately attack us or the USA? That’s why the UN exists. " No because two wrong uns don't make a right. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣" So that’s a ‘no’ then. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 So that’s a ‘no’ then. " Heh ? Is this National Entitlement Day or what. You asked the question, you find the answer 😊 | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 So that’s a ‘no’ then. Heh ? Is this National Entitlement Day or what. You asked the question, you find the answer 😊" I don’t see any antisemitism in the thread. I’d like you to point it out to me. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums !" Yes you have, countless times you've been corrected on here when you've made false claims about your wrong assumptions meaning others support the regime etc.. Its not a difference of opinion, such things are fine its you saying others who dont share your opinions must also support the regime and now you've added they must want Israel and America to lose.. All totally false and you know it.. No I don't think that anyone must go along with anti americanism and tbh im not anti American at all I'm anti this latest unplanned war by this particular president.. That's not ante the whole country.. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣" Because once more you've made it up.. Being anti the idf killing women and children isn't anti semitic.. There are many of the Jewish faith who are also anti the Idf and some of their actions.. | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 Because once more you've made it up.. Being anti the idf killing women and children isn't anti semitic.. There are many of the Jewish faith who are also anti the Idf and some of their actions.." OK Jeremy ! 🤭 | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 So that’s a ‘no’ then. Heh ? Is this National Entitlement Day or what. You asked the question, you find the answer 😊 I don’t see any antisemitism in the thread. I’d like you to point it out to me. " I'd like to have a beer then watch a film. The difference between us is that I'll get my wish.😉 | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 So that’s a ‘no’ then. Heh ? Is this National Entitlement Day or what. You asked the question, you find the answer 😊 I don’t see any antisemitism in the thread. I’d like you to point it out to me. I'd like to have a beer then watch a film. The difference between us is that I'll get my wish.😉" That’s probably because the beer and film exist. | |||
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"Amazing statement tonight: 'Iran said that all countries besides the US and Israel may pass through the Strait of Hormuz, in a desperate attempt at coalition busting less than a day after the US bombed military targets on its oil-critical Kharg Island. “As a matter of fact, the Strait of Hormuz is open,” Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said. “It is only closed to the tankers and ships belong[ing] to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and their allies. Others are free to pass,” As far as I know the US (which is an oil exporter) gets no oil through the SOH. I can't imagine Israel does either. If the above is true then Iran has given up its only remaining leverage, and this conflict seems to be over whenever the US and Trump say so." The US does import some oil from the Persian gulf - albeit not much. However oil is very much a global market - nobody is unaffected by a war in the middle east east. | |||
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"Amazing statement tonight: 'Iran said that all countries besides the US and Israel may pass through the Strait of Hormuz, in a desperate attempt at coalition busting less than a day after the US bombed military targets on its oil-critical Kharg Island. “As a matter of fact, the Strait of Hormuz is open,” Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said. “It is only closed to the tankers and ships belong[ing] to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and their allies. Others are free to pass,” As far as I know the US (which is an oil exporter) gets no oil through the SOH. I can't imagine Israel does either. If the above is true then Iran has given up its only remaining leverage, and this conflict seems to be over whenever the US and Trump say so." America needs to import oil of the quality found in gulf states. Losing access to a fifth of the world’s oil supply will hit Americans hard. In addition to their original needs the heavy oil in Venezuela needs the high quality oil added to it to make it economically viable. | |||
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"Amazing statement tonight: 'Iran said that all countries besides the US and Israel may pass through the Strait of Hormuz, in a desperate attempt at coalition busting less than a day after the US bombed military targets on its oil-critical Kharg Island. “As a matter of fact, the Strait of Hormuz is open,” Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said. “It is only closed to the tankers and ships belong[ing] to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and their allies. Others are free to pass,” As far as I know the US (which is an oil exporter) gets no oil through the SOH. I can't imagine Israel does either. If the above is true then Iran has given up its only remaining leverage, and this conflict seems to be over whenever the US and Trump say so. The US does import some oil from the Persian gulf - albeit not much. However oil is very much a global market - nobody is unaffected by a war in t7he middle east east. " It's over for the Mad Mullahs. If they can't defend Khrag Island they know the US can occupy it and stop their entire oil export income. Their military capacity is at least 90% destroyed or degraded. Drone and ballistic attacks 95% down. Reduced to attacking their closest allies like UAE. Leadership dead or in hiding. Not quite the outcome predicted by most of Fab's experts. 😉 | |||
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"Amazing statement tonight: 'Iran said that all countries besides the US and Israel may pass through the Strait of Hormuz, in a desperate attempt at coalition busting less than a day after the US bombed military targets on its oil-critical Kharg Island. “As a matter of fact, the Strait of Hormuz is open,” Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said. “It is only closed to the tankers and ships belong[ing] to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and their allies. Others are free to pass,” As far as I know the US (which is an oil exporter) gets no oil through the SOH. I can't imagine Israel does either. If the above is true then Iran has given up its only remaining leverage, and this conflict seems to be over whenever the US and Trump say so. The US does import some oil from the Persian gulf - albeit not much. However oil is very much a global market - nobody is unaffected by a war in t7he middle east east. It's over for the Mad Mullahs. If they can't defend Khrag Island they know the US can occupy it and stop their entire oil export income. Their military capacity is at least 90% destroyed or degraded. Drone and ballistic attacks 95% down. Reduced to attacking their closest allies like UAE. Leadership dead or in hiding. Not quite the outcome predicted by most of Fab's experts. 😉" Are these predictions like your antisemitism claims? | |||
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" It's over for the Mad Mullahs. If they can't defend Khrag Island they know the US can occupy it and stop their entire oil export income. Their military capacity is at least 90% destroyed or degraded. Drone and ballistic attacks 95% down. Reduced to attacking their closest allies like UAE. Leadership dead or in hiding. Not quite the outcome predicted by most of Fab's experts. 😉" Maybe, If the Americans take the Island - bearing in mind they'll probably have to get the assault ship right up to the top of the Gulf in order to take it in the first place - as you say, it then becomes a shit or bust situation for the regime, with a lot of American marines encamped on a small island just 20 miles off the coast of Iran. If the regime can’t keep the Iranian economy going without Kharg Island, why wouldn’t they go scorched earth in that situation? Better to cause as much chaos & damage pending their departure, then also with the probability (inevitability?) of forming a new militant Shia group to cause yet more chaos in the region afterwards. And on & on it goes… | |||
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"Amazing statement tonight: 'Iran said that all countries besides the US and Israel may pass through the Strait of Hormuz, in a desperate attempt at coalition busting less than a day after the US bombed military targets on its oil-critical Kharg Island. “As a matter of fact, the Strait of Hormuz is open,” Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi said. “It is only closed to the tankers and ships belong[ing] to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and their allies. Others are free to pass,” As far as I know the US (which is an oil exporter) gets no oil through the SOH. I can't imagine Israel does either. If the above is true then Iran has given up its only remaining leverage, and this conflict seems to be over whenever the US and Trump say so. The US does import some oil from the Persian gulf - albeit not much. However oil is very much a global market - nobody is unaffected by a war in t7he middle east east. It's over for the Mad Mullahs. If they can't defend Khrag Island they know the US can occupy it and stop their entire oil export income. Their military capacity is at least 90% destroyed or degraded. Drone and ballistic attacks 95% down. Reduced to attacking their closest allies like UAE. Leadership dead or in hiding. Not quite the outcome predicted by most of Fab's experts. 😉" I think putting troops on that island would be a suicide mission. If they want to deny Iran using it then easier to destroy key infrastructure from the air to prevent the island operating. | |||
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"3.2 million people displaced Leader assassinated and replaced by angrier one 1300 dead civilians 110 children killed in school bombing Billions $ civilian infrastructure destroyed Turmoil in oil markets Neighbouring countries attacked and their tourism markets wankered with £600M daily losses Two $100M Fighter jets lost Refuelling plane lost 7 dead and 140 injured US personnel 1 dead French serviceman Damaged cargo ships 700 civilians killed in Lebanon including 98 children Turmoil in oil markets $12bn US war cost so far Weak global public support But the war is nearly over - not won enough - strikes increasing - no end plan Iranian nuclear bases - navy- airforce all destroyed Iranian civilians lives ruined No regime change in sight Was it worth it" The alternative at worst was America, Israel and UK nuked. At best more sponsored terrorism. War has never been pretty. Death of innocents not intentional. Islamic fundamentalists don't want western values culture on this planet. Given the chance they will wipe people they don't like off the face of the planet,and they don't care if they take a few of their own out in process. Do we just sit back do a bit of negotiation and let them achieve that goal? | |||
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"3.2 million people displaced Leader assassinated and replaced by angrier one 1300 dead civilians 110 children killed in school bombing Billions $ civilian infrastructure destroyed Turmoil in oil markets Neighbouring countries attacked and their tourism markets wankered with £600M daily losses Two $100M Fighter jets lost Refuelling plane lost 7 dead and 140 injured US personnel 1 dead French serviceman Damaged cargo ships 700 civilians killed in Lebanon including 98 children Turmoil in oil markets $12bn US war cost so far Weak global public support But the war is nearly over - not won enough - strikes increasing - no end plan Iranian nuclear bases - navy- airforce all destroyed Iranian civilians lives ruined No regime change in sight Was it worth it The alternative at worst was America, Israel and UK nuked. " Any evidence that was an imminent threat? | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. How, at this point, can they be stopped? Only around a table. Negotiations with terrorists is uncomfortable but essential. Sadly. " Sure. But what would those negotiations look like, in order to guarantee success? | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. How, at this point, can they be stopped? Only around a table. Negotiations with terrorists is uncomfortable but essential. Sadly. Sure. But what would those negotiations look like, in order to guarantee success?" That’s for the hopefully not idiots around the tale to decide. | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. How, at this point, can they be stopped? Only around a table. Negotiations with terrorists is uncomfortable but essential. Sadly. Sure. But what would those negotiations look like, in order to guarantee success? That’s for the hopefully not idiots around the tale to decide. " Unfortunately, sentiments like that render observations like "Only around a table" a platitude. Or, to put it more simply: "We're not sure what the answer to nasty and violent people who mean us harm is, but we do know (on principle) that it's not fighting (and our adversaries know this about us too). Perhaps someone (not an idiot), someday (around a table), will be able to bribe them out of it somehow - maybe." | |||
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" The next generation of extremists has already been born and given fuel for life. How, at this point, can they be stopped? Only around a table. Negotiations with terrorists is uncomfortable but essential. Sadly. Sure. But what would those negotiations look like, in order to guarantee success? That’s for the hopefully not idiots around the tale to decide. Unfortunately, sentiments like that render observations like "Only around a table" a platitude. Or, to put it more simply: "We're not sure what the answer to nasty and violent people who mean us harm is, but we do know (on principle) that it's not fighting (and our adversaries know this about us too). Perhaps someone (not an idiot), someday (around a table), will be able to bribe them out of it somehow - maybe."" Well we also know that illegal acts of war aren’t the answer, and yet Trump and Netanyahu ignored that. | |||
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" We're not sure what the answer... is, but we do know... that it's not fighting... Well we also know that illegal acts of war aren’t the answer, and yet Trump and Netanyahu ignored that. " | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 Because once more you've made it up.. Being anti the idf killing women and children isn't anti semitic.. There are many of the Jewish faith who are also anti the Idf and some of their actions.. OK Jeremy ! 🤭 " And this is how you respond to being shown to lie repeatedly.. Its fine as it gets you attention, but its a but silly to keep doing it.. | |||
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"The unwavering support for a blubbering idiot is admirable. Im pretty sure there's a more appropriate adjective but I'll leave that to the others to imagine. " Morning!  | |||
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"Did anyone else know that it’s actually a war crime to threaten ‘No quarter’? Apparently ‘Secretary of war’ (in inverted commas as it’s a made-up title) Pete Hegseth didn’t know that. " Incidentally, if a US soldier killed an opponent in cold blood and claimed Hegseth’s ‘No quarter’ as a reason - Hegseth could face a lengthy prison spell or even the death penalty. Pete Hegseth ‘Secretary of war (crimes)’ | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 Because once more you've made it up.. Being anti the idf killing women and children isn't anti semitic.. There are many of the Jewish faith who are also anti the Idf and some of their actions.. OK Jeremy ! 🤭 And this is how you respond to being shown to lie repeatedly.. Its fine as it gets you attention, but its a but silly to keep doing it.." Probably comes under Deliberate or malicious disruption of the forum If you deliberately or maliciously try to interrupt everyone else's enjoyment of the forums, for example by trying to fill up the forum with your own content (just one example), it's not fair | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore." What is the backup plan ? | |||
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"UAE Minister of State Lana Nusseibeh: "The UAE did not want this war but will "fully and assertively" defend itself, she added, accusing Iran of "attacking the peacemakers in the region". Commenting on Iran's ballistic missile programme, she said the past 14 days have shown there is no world in which countries can safely coexist with Iran while it has those capabilities." There seems to be more support for Iran on Fab Forums than in any of its Muslim neighbours.🤔 Stop lying you silly person.. No one has supported the regime on here and you know it .. I wish I did know that. However it is clear that many on here wish the US/Israeli operation to fail and for Trump to be humiliated, which is why their post are overwhelmingly attacks on the US and relative silence on the Iranian regime. I think its absolutely legitimate to interpret that as support for the Regime in this conflict; in fact I don't see how else you could interpret a wish to see the US lose the conflict. No-one on here has said they want the USA and Israel to lose either.. Plenty and not just on here are rightly critical of what looks like a mess.. Your opinion differs on that because you are ignoring the mistakes of the very recent past in the region plus the very clear and obvious lack of a clear and concise plan with a defined aim.. And that's fine, it's ok to disagree but what you are doing is presuming and assuming that because others disagree with you that they are in favour of the regime which no one has said and now that they want trump to lose which is again not supported at all .. I guess that's an upgrade on calling me a liar 🤣 I dont use such language easily, but yes you have been.. And you've been corrected before that your claims about what your assumptions lead you to falsely accuse others of saying .. Anyone can see what people say.. So you say it again and double down.. When you should be admitting you are wrong.. I haven't been 'corrected' by you or anyone else, simply because we have different interpretation of the same posts. You seem to think I must go along with an ill informed anti Americanism (which in some posts bleeds into anti semitism) simply because that appears to be a majority opinion on these Forums ! Can you give us an example of this antisemitism? That’s a bold claim. There have been several posts on these lines, go find them yourself! 🤣 Because once more you've made it up.. Being anti the idf killing women and children isn't anti semitic.. There are many of the Jewish faith who are also anti the Idf and some of their actions.. OK Jeremy ! 🤭 And this is how you respond to being shown to lie repeatedly.. Its fine as it gets you attention, but its a but silly to keep doing it.." Bible basher type, will preach their beliefs incessantly and when questioned of course they change the subject or run off to pray | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore." I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this.. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this.."
it's uncanny exactly how similar millenium challange 2002 is to trumps unmitigated fiasco that is currently playing out. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this..
it's uncanny exactly how similar millenium challange 2002 is to trumps unmitigated fiasco that is currently playing out. "Failure to learn the lessons of previous mistakes, common place with some regimes etc over time.. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this..
it's uncanny exactly how similar millenium challange 2002 is to trumps unmitigated fiasco that is currently playing out. "A 'fiasco' that's destroyed Iran's military capacity in two weeks and left the country with a 'leader' who can't even appear in public. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this..
it's uncanny exactly how similar millenium challange 2002 is to trumps unmitigated fiasco that is currently playing out.
A 'fiasco' that's destroyed Iran's military capacity in two weeks and left the country with a 'leader' who can't even appear in public. "An illegal war. | |||
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"a fiasco that has closed the straights of hormuz and leaves iran controlling oil markets and as a result the wider global economy " Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi on Saturday said the Strait of Hormuz is open and that the strategic route is only closed to the US and Israeli vessels. "As a matter of fact, this Straits of Hormuz is open. It is only closed to the tankers and ships belonging to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and the allies. Others are free to pass," Araghchi, in an interview on Saturday. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. What is the backup plan ?" Next in line to lead the regime, trying to hit the oil routes. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this.." | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. What is the backup plan ? Next in line to lead the regime, trying to hit the oil routes. " The next in line can't even speak on TV or radio, let alone in public. If he is still alive he will live the rest of his time in fear and hiding, knowing how fully the Israelis infiltrated the regime's leadership. 1000s of the top political and military leadership have been killed - of course they can be replaced but with what quality and how can they operate ? | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. What is the backup plan ? Next in line to lead the regime, trying to hit the oil routes. The next in line can't even speak on TV or radio, let alone in public. If he is still alive he will live the rest of his time in fear and hiding, knowing how fully the Israelis infiltrated the regime's leadership. 1000s of the top political and military leadership have been killed - of course they can be replaced but with what quality and how can they operate ? " Yes, there are weaknesses in the backup plan. But it's not going to be done as easily or soon as Trump keeps tweeting. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. What is the backup plan ? Next in line to lead the regime, trying to hit the oil routes. " I've partially answered your point about oil routes in another post, but even Ed Milliband is talking about sending drones to the SOH ! I think there is very little chance a decimated regime can control the Straits for any significant amount of time. | |||
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"yet trump is begging other countries to send ships to re-open the hormuz straights. 🤷" Perhaps you missed the comments from Irans own Foreign Minister. | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. What is the backup plan ? Next in line to lead the regime, trying to hit the oil routes. The next in line can't even speak on TV or radio, let alone in public. If he is still alive he will live the rest of his time in fear and hiding, knowing how fully the Israelis infiltrated the regime's leadership. 1000s of the top political and military leadership have been killed - of course they can be replaced but with what quality and how can they operate ? Yes, there are weaknesses in the backup plan. But it's not going to be done as easily or soon as Trump keeps tweeting." I certainly wouldn't confuse Trump's public comments with private policy ! | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. What is the backup plan ? Next in line to lead the regime, trying to hit the oil routes. The next in line can't even speak on TV or radio, let alone in public. If he is still alive he will live the rest of his time in fear and hiding, knowing how fully the Israelis infiltrated the regime's leadership. 1000s of the top political and military leadership have been killed - of course they can be replaced but with what quality and how can they operate ? Yes, there are weaknesses in the backup plan. But it's not going to be done as easily or soon as Trump keeps tweeting. I certainly wouldn't confuse Trump's public comments with private policy !" Should we rely on the Secretary of War (crimes)? | |||
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"i definately didn't miss trump begging starmer for ships in an attempt to turn around his current fiasco in the gulf" Cool | |||
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"Massive miscalculation from Trump here. He probably thought that the timing was right to take down the regime as there were protests going on and they had solid plans to kill Ali Khamenei. The assumption here was that if the leader is taken down, rest of the regime would fall easily considering their internal turmoil. But the regime seems to have a good backup plan. Now what Trump thought to be an easy win doesn't look as easy anymore. I think in due course it will come out that he was told they just won't put their hands up if we top the head guy.. His approach is different, his way is the only way but on some things wise counsel and years of experience and intelligence gathering said the regime has planned for this.." The regime planned to lose 90% of its military capacity and political and military leadership in two weeks ? I think HR should really have a word ! | |||
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