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"As someone who has criticised him a lot, I believe Labour will end up electing someone who is further to the left and make things even worse." I agree. I'm not a fan either but I'd like the best for our country.  | |||
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"With Starmer’s approval at 12% before these recent events. And labours approval at 13% hoping for a general election. Who else have they got; Rayners a tax dodger, Reeves a CV fraud, Streeting ? " What a choice ! 🤦♂️ | |||
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"Streeting is the only minister to show a meaningful direction in his policies, whilst also not backtracking under pressure." Agreed, I think streeting is one of the few competent ministers in Government at the moment. | |||
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"Streeting is the only minister to show a meaningful direction in his policies, whilst also not backtracking under pressure. Agreed, I think streeting is one of the few competent ministers in Government at the moment." Government pmsl | |||
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"Why should there be an election?? How many times did the Tories change leadership during their last 5 years and didn't call for an election? " Definitely no election. They might be incompetent, but they're not idiots. | |||
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"David Lammy would make a good PM. I'm pretty sure he'd stand a good chance. Either him or Raynor. Fingers crossed it's one or the other. " The original chocolate teapot. PMSL | |||
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"Why should there be an election?? How many times did the Tories change leadership during their last 5 years and didn't call for an election?" And how many times did Labour make a huge fuss and insist that there should be an election under these circumstances? | |||
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"Starmer does look in a very vulnerable position at the moment, my money would be on Angela Rayner as a replacement but another contender could yet emerge perhaps Jess Philips, a long standing campaigner for women's rights? " Barry Gardiner interviewed on bbc holding a copy of the Labour manifesto with Starmer on the cover 'We promised change - this looks more like the same' Question time tonight will be a hoot. | |||
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Vote REFORM "Nurse?! They're out of bed again! | |||
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"NIGEL FARAGE
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Nurse?! They're out of bed again!"If Reform get in, it’s on Labour failure. | |||
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"NIGEL FARAGE
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Nurse?! They're out of bed again!
If Reform get in, it’s on Labour failure. "If Reform get in we'll find out how bad a government really can be. | |||
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"David Lammy would make a good PM. I'm pretty sure he'd stand a good chance. Either him or Raynor. Fingers crossed it's one or the other. " Do people on here Honestly think that Angela Rayner is educated and qualified enough to run the country?? What honestly makes you believe she is so qualified? She has zero education, zero qualifications and was far too busy behind the bikesheds at school to learn anything | |||
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"Why should there be an election?? How many times did the Tories change leadership during their last 5 years and didn't call for an election? " Teresa May and Boris Johnson both called General Elections quite soon after becoming Tory leaders. | |||
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"Starmer does look in a very vulnerable position at the moment, my money would be on Angela Rayner as a replacement but another contender could yet emerge perhaps Jess Philips, a long standing campaigner for women's rights? " ah yes jess Philips who tried her hardest not to have a national inquiry into grooming gangs that champion of women's rights more concerned with upsetting those who might vote for her than actually getting to the bottom of why a certain demographic like young white working class schoolgirls | |||
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"David Lammy would make a good PM. I'm pretty sure he'd stand a good chance. Either him or Raynor. Fingers crossed it's one or the other. Do people on here Honestly think that Angela Rayner is educated and qualified enough to run the country?? What honestly makes you believe she is so qualified? She has zero education, zero qualifications and was far too busy behind the bikesheds at school to learn anything " Would you say that about a man? | |||
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"Emily Thornberry would be my bet. By Starmer leaving her out in the cold, she's avoided being tainted by the Mandelson saga, ticks the female box and while utterly odious, is well qualified. Lammy, Rayner and Milliband are pure nightmare fuel." problem Thornbury has us she's made it quiet clear what she thinks about a large chunk of the electorate | |||
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"The full information about Mandelson's appointment will be followed shortly by Labour getting badly beaten by Greens and Reform in Gorton by election. Will Labour really let Starmer hang on for another disaster at the May Elections? " Changing him as leader will bring nothing better, potentially a little worse. It seems obvious to me that he relies heavily on the people around him and does not ask appropriate questions on important issues, that can be fixed to some extent. The other option is the hard left take control, that play has been underway since day 1 and you only need to look at Rayner's part in putting Starmer under the spotlight to see it isn't going away. | |||
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"The full information about Mandelson's appointment will be followed shortly by Labour getting badly beaten by Greens and Reform in Gorton by election. Will Labour really let Starmer hang on for another disaster at the May Elections? Changing him as leader will bring nothing better, potentially a little worse. It seems obvious to me that he relies heavily on the people around him and does not ask appropriate questions on important issues, that can be fixed to some extent. The other option is the hard left take control, that play has been underway since day 1 and you only need to look at Rayner's part in putting Starmer under the spotlight to see it isn't going away. " I agree it will be worse but the momentum seems unstoppable now. What amazes me is that Starmer rose to the very top of the legal profession where attention to detail, due diligence and procedure is paramount. He has shown none of those qualities in Govt and I do wonder how poor he was as DPP. | |||
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"The full information about Mandelson's appointment will be followed shortly by Labour getting badly beaten by Greens and Reform in Gorton by election. Will Labour really let Starmer hang on for another disaster at the May Elections? Changing him as leader will bring nothing better, potentially a little worse. It seems obvious to me that he relies heavily on the people around him and does not ask appropriate questions on important issues, that can be fixed to some extent. The other option is the hard left take control, that play has been underway since day 1 and you only need to look at Rayner's part in putting Starmer under the spotlight to see it isn't going away. I agree it will be worse but the momentum seems unstoppable now. What amazes me is that Starmer rose to the very top of the legal profession where attention to detail, due diligence and procedure is paramount. He has shown none of those qualities in Govt and I do wonder how poor he was as DPP." He trained and had 25 - 30 years of experience to become acclaimed in his roles. He became an MP only 10 years ago, he has had some minor shadow minister roles under Corbyn but I don't see that as exposure to leading the country. He was in my opinion the face, the suit that labour needed to add authenticity to the inevitable win at the last GE, the outcome of that is what we have now. | |||
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"From BBC: A Labour MP is calling for the prime minister to step down over the Lord Mandelson scandal. Rachael Maskell, who represents York Central, says she could hear “the real shock of everybody across the chamber” at the fact that Starmer knew of the association between Mandelson and Jeffrey Epstein for “months”. “We only need to read the country to realise that his position has now become untenable,” she tells BBC Radio York. “I think we're all quite shocked and appalled at what has been unveiled yesterday but we need to now move forward as a party to ensure that we can gain that support back. “I don't believe we can with the prime minister in place, so I think that it is inevitable that the Prime Minister is going to have to step down,” says Maskell. " Disingenuous apology from Starmer. He and nobody else appointed mortgage fraud Mandelson. Don’t think this is over yet, voters will see you at the ballot box Starmer. | |||
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That's starting to look 'cut and paste'"Starting to look like the WINNING recipe | |||
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"He’ll never resign, he’ll have to be removed " I think this is correct. | |||
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"If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place." Do you honestly think that the media haven't been looking for dirt on Nigel and his gang? | |||
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"It's crazy that the Epstein files may bring down the UK government and have zero impact on the US government. If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place. " they are to busy investigating why starmmer gave a top job who was a known close friend of a nonce,and if they had anything to bring down. Reform with it would be all over the tv and press already | |||
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"It's crazy that the Epstein files may bring down the UK government and have zero impact on the US government. " We’re unsure yet if it will bring the government down but judging my the mood on QT last night and wider opinion it seems everyone wants Starmer out. If it doesn’t then May elections next. Labour only have themselves to blame. Starmer made all these bad appointments, Reece’s fake CV, tax dodger Rayner, homeless and anti corruption ministers. | |||
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" If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place. " What have reform done wrong, they didn’t illegally invade Iraq, or cover up links to sex trafficker | |||
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"It's crazy that the Epstein files may bring down the UK government and have zero impact on the US government. If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place. " The media have spent a huge amount of time investigating what Farage said or didn't say as a schoolboy ! I haven't heard anything from the Epstein emails which would impact Trump. Its well known that Trunp and Epstein socialised at one time but Trump appears to have cut contact well before Epstein's first conviction. | |||
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"'Biggest scandal since the MP’s expenses scandal', says PM's former comms director James Lyons, " At least. Starmer's problem now is he can't control what new info comes out about Mandelson and his appointment. If he doesn't resign it will be death by 1000 cuts. | |||
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"It's crazy that the Epstein files may bring down the UK government and have zero impact on the US government. If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place. " The BBC, The Guardian, The Independent, Sky News, The Mirror, Channel 4…. The list is endless. All have big teams of reporters and investigators, desperately trying to find something, anything that could cast anyone in Reform in a bad light. They will have people trying to create situations to set them up for a fall. Attractive women (and men I guess) trying to get them the say or do something in appropriate. They will have them under 24/7 surveillance waiting for the slightest thing. It’s quite sad really that the left wing media know that their own leaders and ideology is so unpopular that the only way they can have any chance of going a day without some scandal in the government is to try and create one for other party members. Claiming that Fararge called some kid fat when he was 8 years old is not going to detract from this labour government destroying the economy, destroying hundreds of thousands of businesses, cancelling elections, cancelling jury trials, cancelling free speech, wanting to give away sovereign territory and pay billions for the privilege, taking more and more money from those who work and giving it to those who don’t, radicalising the police to brutalise British people, protecting terrorist and pedophiles, accepting more bribes in 18 months than the tories probably did in 14 years, deliberately allowing illegal migration to increase and have task forces on the payroll to come up with new ideas to spend even more of our money on them, deliberately increasing community tensions by creating laws to protect one group and laws to oppress another group, having the police round up and arrest anyone preaching any religion other than Islam on the streets while armed police protect those preaching Islam, destroying British farming, let pensioners freeze, give tens of billions to green energy companies to build their infrastructure then pay them tens of billions not to turn it on, stop all fossil fuel production and then buy those same fossil fuels at inflated prices from countries with some of the worst human rights records then blame the energy markets for rising energy prices, reducing the number of new homes being build while radically increasing the population, less teachers & less police yet lie in parliament about the figures that they themselves release through the ONS, and of course sneakily trying to rejoin the EU in everything but name. Those media companies should be reporting the genocide happening right now in Iran where tens of thousands of people are being murdered by their own government in the name of Islam. But instead they are speaking to Farage’s old teachers and classmates to try and make him look bad. Says it all. | |||
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"Raynor still not paid her 40k tax bill for Stamp Duty ! " Too busy masterminding her leadership challenge. | |||
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"I think if anyone wants the job they are probably mentally unstable from the off." Fair Comment ! | |||
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"Local by election in Wales yesterday. Reform won with 43%, Plaid 27%, Labour 12%. These are seats where they used to weigh the Labour votes, not count them." Representative of the country’s mood I would suggest. Landslide reform vote coming at GE | |||
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"Raynor still not paid her 40k tax bill for Stamp Duty ! " Presumably there will be penalties and interest as well to pay. | |||
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"Local by election in Wales yesterday. Reform won with 43%, Plaid 27%, Labour 12%. These are seats where they used to weigh the Labour votes, not count them. Representative of the country’s mood I would suggest. Landslide reform vote coming at GE " The worst thing that could happen is a landslide for any party. All the parties are currently untested. If any party were to get a landslide then that would likely mean a majority of MPs with zero previous experience. That won’t end well. | |||
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"Local by election in Wales yesterday. Reform won with 43%, Plaid 27%, Labour 12%. These are seats where they used to weigh the Labour votes, not count them. Representative of the country’s mood I would suggest. Landslide reform vote coming at GE " Labour set to come 3rd in Welsh and Scottish Elections, they were dominate in both countries not long ago. | |||
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"Next PM odds ,, Rayner 3/1 ,, Streeting 4/1 ,, Milk and 8/1 ,, Farage 10/1 ,Mahmood 13/1 ,, Burnham 16/1 ,, ( via oddschecker ) " Milliband an outsider to watch. | |||
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"Guardian can’t help themselves, they’ve turned on Starmer too. Kier Starmer needs to "look at the consequences" of giving Mandelson ambassadorship Meanwhile, the Labour MP Ian Byrne said “the red flags were there” at the time of Mandelson’s appointment, saying “it was well-known what he was”. Speaking to Sky News, the left-winger said Keir Starmer “needs a miracle” to save his premiership." The left have never forgiven McSweeney and Starmer for getting rid of Corbyn. Revenge on the cards. | |||
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"Raynor still not paid her 40k tax bill for Stamp Duty ! Too busy masterminding her leadership challenge. " According to a reporter on BBC last night it is only the outstanding tax case hanging over her head that is stopping her launching a leadership bid. She may still go for it as Starmer is more vulnerable than ever but having a new leader that is currently under investigation is not a great look | |||
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"Next PM odds ,, Rayner 3/1 ,, Streeting 4/1 ,, Milk and 8/1 ,, Farage 10/1 ,Mahmood 13/1 ,, Burnham 16/1 ,, ( via oddschecker ) Milliband an outsider to watch." Farage ? He's got enough on his plate coming his way Epstein Cannon Russia Gill Brexit Welcome to Scotland Yard Mr.Frogface. | |||
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"Local by election in Wales yesterday. Reform won with 43%, Plaid 27%, Labour 12%. These are seats where they used to weigh the Labour votes, not count them. Representative of the country’s mood I would suggest. Landslide reform vote coming at GE Labour set to come 3rd in Welsh and Scottish Elections, they were dominate in both countries not long ago." Labour haven't been dominant in Scottish politics for many many years. What an earth are you talking about? | |||
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"David Lammy would make a good PM. I'm pretty sure he'd stand a good chance. Either him or Raynor. Fingers crossed it's one or the other. Do people on here Honestly think that Angela Rayner is educated and qualified enough to run the country?? What honestly makes you believe she is so qualified? She has zero education, zero qualifications and was far too busy behind the bikesheds at school to learn anything Would you say that about a man?" I would say that about any person who lacks education and qualifications. MP'S should be required to sit an IQ test before getting their seat. | |||
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"Local by election in Wales yesterday. Reform won with 43%, Plaid 27%, Labour 12%. These are seats where they used to weigh the Labour votes, not count them. Representative of the country’s mood I would suggest. Landslide reform vote coming at GE Labour set to come 3rd in Welsh and Scottish Elections, they were dominate in both countries not long ago. Labour haven't been dominant in Scottish politics for many many years. What an earth are you talking about? " Heh ? | |||
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"David Lammy would make a good PM. I'm pretty sure he'd stand a good chance. Either him or Raynor. Fingers crossed it's one or the other. Do people on here Honestly think that Angela Rayner is educated and qualified enough to run the country?? What honestly makes you believe she is so qualified? She has zero education, zero qualifications and was far too busy behind the bikesheds at school to learn anything Would you say that about a man? I would say that about any person who lacks education and qualifications. MP'S should be required to sit an IQ test before getting their seat." What a crock of shite Being an Mp is a job, so you would be up for IQ tests in all jobs? | |||
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"David Lammy would make a good PM. I'm pretty sure he'd stand a good chance. Either him or Raynor. Fingers crossed it's one or the other. Do people on here Honestly think that Angela Rayner is educated and qualified enough to run the country?? What honestly makes you believe she is so qualified? She has zero education, zero qualifications and was far too busy behind the bikesheds at school to learn anything Would you say that about a man? I would say that about any person who lacks education and qualifications. MP'S should be required to sit an IQ test before getting their seat. What a crock of shite Being an Mp is a job, so you would be up for IQ tests in all jobs? " In HIGH DECISION MAKING Jobs absolutely, infact I would go even further to say ideally people who have been highly successful in business aswell. . Idiots make idiotic decisions, look at the SNP during Covid, they wanted to CUT 6 inches of the bottom of school classroom doors and fire doors for ventilation. I suppose you would agree with that...  | |||
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"'Biggest scandal since the MP’s expenses scandal', says PM's former comms director James Lyons, " If they prove the insider trading, this could end up being one the the largest political Scandals ever. | |||
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"'Biggest scandal since the MP’s expenses scandal', says PM's former comms director James Lyons, If they prove the insider trading, this could end up being one the the largest political Scandals ever. " The biggest, I think. Ministers and even Prime Ministers (Lloyd George) have sold honours in the past but Mandelson gave away privileged information worth literally billions. Also possible he persuaded Brown to sell major assets so Epstein and friends could purchase with advance knowledge. | |||
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"Raynor still not paid her 40k tax bill for Stamp Duty ! Too busy masterminding her leadership challenge. According to a reporter on BBC last night it is only the outstanding tax case hanging over her head that is stopping her launching a leadership bid. She may still go for it as Starmer is more vulnerable than ever but having a new leader that is currently under investigation is not a great look " Why doesn't she just pay it? | |||
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"'Biggest scandal since the MP’s expenses scandal', says PM's former comms director James Lyons, If they prove the insider trading, this could end up being one the the largest political Scandals ever. The biggest, I think. Ministers and even Prime Ministers (Lloyd George) have sold honours in the past but Mandelson gave away privileged information worth literally billions. Also possible he persuaded Brown to sell major assets so Epstein and friends could purchase with advance knowledge." Passport deception (resigned), Mortgage fraud (resigned) Starmer knew of both $75,000 in three tranches from Epstein, leaked official documents. There will undoubtedly be more. | |||
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"Next PM odds ,, Rayner 3/1 ,, Streeting 4/1 ,, Milk and 8/1 ,, Farage 10/1 ,Mahmood 13/1 ,, Burnham 16/1 ,, ( via oddschecker ) " If a general election was to be called early, then Farage would be odds on favourite | |||
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"Next PM odds ,, Rayner 3/1 ,, Streeting 4/1 ,, Milk and 8/1 ,, Farage 10/1 ,Mahmood 13/1 ,, Burnham 16/1 ,, ( via oddschecker ) If a general election was to be called early, then Farage would be odds on favourite "Even if reform were to win the election, Farage would never be willing to be PM, he knows that he could never stand by his "pledges" and would melt into the background and put a fall guy in | |||
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"My money would be on Emily Thornberry. A Labour veteran, not been part of the Starmer toxicity, left wing enough for the party membership and not too mad for the centrists. " True but still Labour and Labour are toxic for the UK Especially with their windfall tax and Ban on oil exploration in the North Sea which is destroying the industry | |||
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"Raynor still not paid her 40k tax bill for Stamp Duty ! Too busy masterminding her leadership challenge. According to a reporter on BBC last night it is only the outstanding tax case hanging over her head that is stopping her launching a leadership bid. She may still go for it as Starmer is more vulnerable than ever but having a new leader that is currently under investigation is not a great look Why doesn't she just pay it?" I've no idea as not really been following it. If it was a case of pay up and it all goes away then it would make sense as she could launch a leadership bid. I'm guessing that she could have broken some rule or even a law in what she did so if correct just paying up would not make it go away as she would still face possible punishment | |||
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"My money would be on Emily Thornberry. A Labour veteran, not been part of the Starmer toxicity, left wing enough for the party membership and not too mad for the centrists. " Emily Thornbury would be a golden leader. I'd trust her with my life | |||
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"My money would be on Emily Thornberry. A Labour veteran, not been part of the Starmer toxicity, left wing enough for the party membership and not too mad for the centrists. Emily Thornbury would be a golden leader. I'd trust her with my life " Why are we waiting? Spread the word and let's hope you are correct! | |||
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"It seems inevitable that Sir Keir's time at the top is coming to an end, so who do you think will or should replace him ? Or should there now be a General Election? " Democracy doesn’t work by holding another ejection when they have a full term . The blue brigade didn’t so why would the red team. It’s illogical . If Starmer goes I hope it’s not that plastic looking prick Wes that gets pushed into the hot seat 
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"It seems inevitable that Sir Keir's time at the top is coming to an end, so who do you think will or should replace him ? Or should there now be a General Election? Democracy doesn’t work by holding another ejection when they have a full term . The blue brigade didn’t so why would the red team. It’s illogical . If Starmer goes I hope it’s not that plastic looking prick Wes that gets pushed into the hot seat
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"My money would be on Emily Thornberry. A Labour veteran, not been part of the Starmer toxicity, left wing enough for the party membership and not too mad for the centrists. Emily Thornbury would be a golden leader. I'd trust her with my life " That miserable cow would turn milk sour. | |||
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"David Lammy would make a great PM. Trucking hell! 🤭🤭" According to a couple of papers, David Lammy has said that he warned Starmer about Mandelson. If correct that could be very damaging. I hope Lammy is not thinking he will be the next PM should Starmer quit | |||
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"David Lammy would make a great PM. Trucking hell! 🤭🤭 According to a couple of papers, David Lammy has said that he warned Starmer about Mandelson. If correct that could be very damaging. I hope Lammy is not thinking he will be the next PM should Starmer quit " The gutless backstabbers that form the Cabinet are all lining up to say they told 2TK not to appoint Mandy. Funny that, ain't it? | |||
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"David Lammy would make a great PM. Trucking hell! 🤭🤭 According to a couple of papers, David Lammy has said that he warned Starmer about Mandelson. If correct that could be very damaging. I hope Lammy is not thinking he will be the next PM should Starmer quit " Cats in a bag at this point! | |||
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"As someone who has criticised him a lot, I believe Labour will end up electing someone who is further to the left and make things even worse." Perfect! | |||
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"David Lammy… first black PM? Wesley Streeting… first gay PM? Angela Rayner… first ginger PM? Who’s the most bangable? That’s how we roll on here." 🤣🤣 | |||
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"My money would be on Emily Thornberry. A Labour veteran, not been part of the Starmer toxicity, left wing enough for the party membership and not too mad for the centrists. Emily Thornbury would be a golden leader. I'd trust her with my life " Lady Nugee… only here for the sneers!  | |||
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"David Lammy… first black PM? Wesley Streeting… first gay PM? Angela Rayner… first ginger PM? Who’s the most bangable? That’s how we roll on here." I'd settle for the first honest PM! | |||
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"Morgan Sweeney just quit Must be Starmers turn next ? " I think the odds are against Starmer going. Labour have no real way of forcing an election and the party is too divided/scared as to who would get in. I think too many in the centre see too much risk of the left taking over and that would be their worst nightmare. | |||
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"Morgan Sweeney just quit Must be Starmers turn next ? " Just a matter of time. | |||
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"David Lammy… first black PM? Wesley Streeting… first gay PM? Angela Rayner… first ginger PM? Who’s the most bangable? That’s how we roll on here. I'd settle for the first honest PM!" 🤣🤣 | |||
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"The perfect question from Andrew Neil today: 'If McSweeney has to resign because he advised Starmer to appoint Mandelson why does Starmer not have to resign for actually taking the decision to appoint Mandelson?' Today's development has weakened Starmer even further, not saved him. " ISC going over reported ‘millions of documents and emails’. Starmer must be shitting himself as he’s no clue what’s in them. | |||
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"What c about Larry the cat he seen loads come and go" Could do a lot worse 🤣🐈 | |||
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"Today's development has weakened Starmer even further, not saved him." I'm thinking that the only reason Starmer is still in position is that no one else wants to be in charge during the run-up to the May elections. I'm betting that they're all putting plans in place to make a dash for the leadership as soon as the results are announced. | |||
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"Today's development has weakened Starmer even further, not saved him. I'm thinking that the only reason Starmer is still in position is that no one else wants to be in charge during the run-up to the May elections. I'm betting that they're all putting plans in place to make a dash for the leadership as soon as the results are announced." That makes a lot of sense. Also gives Rayner chance to sort out her tax bill, and all the candidates to prepare a better campaign. | |||
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"It's crazy that the Epstein files may bring down the UK government and have zero impact on the US government. If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place. " If they find the dirt the midia will keep it for when or if elected that way its a bigger story. And worth more to them. To print it now is not cost effective. | |||
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"Today's development has weakened Starmer even further, not saved him. I'm thinking that the only reason Starmer is still in position is that no one else wants to be in charge during the run-up to the May elections. I'm betting that they're all putting plans in place to make a dash for the leadership as soon as the results are announced. That makes a lot of sense. Also gives Rayner chance to sort out her tax bill, and all the candidates to prepare a better campaign." What May elections lots are cancelled | |||
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"Today's development has weakened Starmer even further, not saved him. I'm thinking that the only reason Starmer is still in position is that no one else wants to be in charge during the run-up to the May elections. I'm betting that they're all putting plans in place to make a dash for the leadership as soon as the results are announced. That makes a lot of sense. Also gives Rayner chance to sort out her tax bill, and all the candidates to prepare a better campaign. What May elections lots are cancelled " My local ones were 😡 | |||
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"If Starmer is replaced this year that will be six different PM's in 10 years. The previous six PMs lasted 40 years between them! The UK must look like am absolute basket case." We can always point to France and say "at least we're better than them". | |||
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"It's crazy that the Epstein files may bring down the UK government and have zero impact on the US government." "If the UK media spent half the time they do trying to bring governments down, on investigating Farage, Reform, their backers and their finances etc. we would be in a much better place. If they find the dirt the midia will keep it for when or if elected that way its a bigger story. And worth more to them. To print it now is not cost effective." That's the way a political party would behave. If the media found some dirt on Farage they would print it straight away to avoid being "scooped". An example is The Guardian's recent story on Farage's childhood racism. They printed that with the minimum of evidence, just one person's statement, and then got to follow it up for weeks when other people came forward. No one in the media would sit on dirt unless it's useful to blackmail someone into giving them better stories. | |||
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"If Starmer is replaced this year that will be six different PM's in 10 years. The previous six PMs lasted 40 years between them! The UK must look like am absolute basket case. We can always point to France and say "at least we're better than them"." True - the two world leaders with the current highest disapproval ratings are Macron on 77% and Starmer on 68%. | |||
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"In 18 months Starmer has appointed and lost, Two Chiefs of Staff One US Ambassador A Transport Minister, A Anti Corruption Minister, A Housing Minister. The hopeless Chancellor only keeos her job because Starmer is too weak to replace her. The common factor is Starmer and his appalling judgment." I would not give him a job in HR | |||
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"David Lammy… first black PM? Wesley Streeting… first gay PM? Angela Rayner… first ginger PM? Who’s the most bangable? That’s how we roll on here." Rachel Reeves... Bang her as hard as she's banged the economy | |||
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"Scottish Labour Leader set to call for Starmer to go.⏰️" Nothing to lose now, May elections will bury Labour. | |||
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"Here's to hoping for no change to the premiership. Keir Starmer might be all kinds of bad or incompetent, but it's unlikely that whoever or whatever replaces him will be any better for the UK, the side-effects of any change is likely to be detrimental and, frankly, we're all tired. He should just get on with whatever stupid legislative/executive agenda he's got going. He's bad, but not terrible. The country is still running and no leadership change is likely to improve it." The monarchy and at arms length the government linked to a Pedophilia scandal. Can’t see him surviving any longer. | |||
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"With Starmer’s approval at 12% before these recent events. And labours approval at 13% hoping for a general election. Who else have they got; Rayners a tax dodger, Reeves a CV fraud, Streeting ? " Don’t forget Lammy | |||
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"With Starmer’s approval at 12% before these recent events. And labours approval at 13% hoping for a general election. Who else have they got; Rayners a tax dodger, Reeves a CV fraud, Streeting ?" "Don’t forget Lammy" My fear is that they'll remember that Milliband was once popular, and decide to try him again. | |||
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"With Starmer’s approval at 12% before these recent events. And labours approval at 13% hoping for a general election. Who else have they got; Rayners a tax dodger, Reeves a CV fraud, Streeting ? Don’t forget Lammy My fear is that they'll remember that Milliband was once popular, and decide to try him again." No lectures from Milliband please Took 470 entourage to COP30 plus two return flights himself, estimated 48M air miles carbon footprint. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. " Pretty much this. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. " also signed  | |||
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"Scottish Labour Leader set to call for Starmer to go.⏰️ Nothing to lose now, May elections will bury Labour. " I am surprised the Welsh leader did not join him, things are not looking good for labour in May as it is without it becoming a referendum on Kier Starmer | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. " I can't see that Starmer is a moderate at all. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. I can't see that Starmer is a moderate at all. " Compared to what is on offer as an alternative from the Labour voices who are trying to remove him, he is moderate. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. I can't see that Starmer is a moderate at all. Compared to what is on offer as an alternative from the Labour voices who are trying to remove him, he is moderate." Rayner yes. Streeting, Milliband or Burnham I wouldn't say so. Starmer is just as committed to mad and self harming Net Zero policies as Milliband, and just as committed to woke ideology as any on the left (saying some women have penises for example, still failing to implement the Supreme Ct decision on definition of biological sex). He opposed a national inquiry on grooming gangs for self interested political reasons and has still not started one. Similar on Israel where he adopted the left wing position of recognising Palestinian State. He's failed to increase defence spending and backed down from welfare reform. Illegal migration still at record highs. Increased taxes and public borrowing but no plan to increase growth. No plan for NHS Reform. Authoritarian plans to restrict social media and curtail jury trials. I don't see much there that is moderate, or intelligent. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. I can't see that Starmer is a moderate at all. Compared to what is on offer as an alternative from the Labour voices who are trying to remove him, he is moderate. Rayner yes. Streeting, Milliband or Burnham I wouldn't say so. Starmer is just as committed to mad and self harming Net Zero policies as Milliband, and just as committed to woke ideology as any on the left (saying some women have penises for example, still failing to implement the Supreme Ct decision on definition of biological sex). He opposed a national inquiry on grooming gangs for self interested political reasons and has still not started one. Similar on Israel where he adopted the left wing position of recognising Palestinian State. He's failed to increase defence spending and backed down from welfare reform. Illegal migration still at record highs. Increased taxes and public borrowing but no plan to increase growth. No plan for NHS Reform. Authoritarian plans to restrict social media and curtail jury trials. I don't see much there that is moderate, or intelligent." It shows someone who trusted his ministers directions, especially Reeves on the economy and Rayner et al, on taxing anything they saw as fair game. His trust and lack of experience has led to the issues he is facing today. The hard left are itching to remove him and replace him. Labour are not going to throw away governance much like the tories didn't, we are stuck with the game playing again, which will lead to economic uncertainty at best. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. " Tend to agree, the 'oh no they're doing what, another change at the helm' was pretty commonly felt regardless of political persuasion under the last government by the majority of people.. It wasn't welcome and by and large deeply unpopular apart from the other political parties and those who seem to think its fun.. I still dont know myself what starmer stands for, but if he's chopped now it isn't what's needed and won't necessarily improve anything overnight which seems to be what some have always thought should happen.. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. Tend to agree, the 'oh no they're doing what, another change at the helm' was pretty commonly felt regardless of political persuasion under the last government by the majority of people.. It wasn't welcome and by and large deeply unpopular apart from the other political parties and those who seem to think its fun.. I still dont know myself what starmer stands for, but if he's chopped now it isn't what's needed and won't necessarily improve anything overnight which seems to be what some have always thought should happen.. " We have people who never wanted a labour government and see this as a way of them being removed. The hard left who have been nibbling away at the leadership from day 1 and the media who is creating the landscape for the circus above. I do feel as though we are watching Starmer learn on the job, when I cast my mind back to the riots, he was strong in character, direction and mind, that was his comfort zone and he his well and truly out of that now. He is a a technocrat, if he leads with his mind rather than the process and starts to put his ministers under pressure to provide more robust plans before he signs off, that would be a good start in steadying the ship. No more changes, no more policies that have not been stressed tested and once put forward they stay on the table. I think that would give him breathing space as well as the country. | |||
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"If taxing wealth (ambiguous at best) and aligning capital gains to income tax (anti business) are options that excite you, Starmer must go. Equally if you are right wing anything but Labour, is the win of labour losing their PM a gift worth the turmoil? Be careful for what you wish for, it wont end well for the majority of people if Starmer is removed, he is a moderate in a frenzied political extreme landscape. Singed a right wing centrist. Tend to agree, the 'oh no they're doing what, another change at the helm' was pretty commonly felt regardless of political persuasion under the last government by the majority of people.. It wasn't welcome and by and large deeply unpopular apart from the other political parties and those who seem to think its fun.. I still dont know myself what starmer stands for, but if he's chopped now it isn't what's needed and won't necessarily improve anything overnight which seems to be what some have always thought should happen.. We have people who never wanted a labour government and see this as a way of them being removed. The hard left who have been nibbling away at the leadership from day 1 and the media who is creating the landscape for the circus above. I do feel as though we are watching Starmer learn on the job, when I cast my mind back to the riots, he was strong in character, direction and mind, that was his comfort zone and he his well and truly out of that now. He is a a technocrat, if he leads with his mind rather than the process and starts to put his ministers under pressure to provide more robust plans before he signs off, that would be a good start in steadying the ship. No more changes, no more policies that have not been stressed tested and once put forward they stay on the table. I think that would give him breathing space as well as the country." Would agree with you on that, the point often made by some is they had 14 years to plan when he only took charge in 2020 plus the reality of governance as opposed to opposition is huge.. Mistakes have been made yes but theres never been a government that hasn't, occasionally they'll take over and things will go sweetly but not often.. 'Events dear boy' as someone once said play a major part.. | |||
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"How many of the buffoons decisions when he was in the DPP are now suspect ? Should they be reviewed?" 🎯 | |||
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"Christ he did it twice !! Gave a peerage to Labour spin Doctor Lord Morgan despite knowing he was campaigning for convicted sex offender. Now says he was 'misled", I'm sure we've heard that before... No serious party can keep this fool as a leader." Worse than Callaghan in the 70's. | |||
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"Disastrous growth figures today, 0.1% in last quarter. Labour inherited an economy slowly recovering from Covid and has trashed it with tax and spend." Don't forget the effects of trump's bullying tarrifs. | |||
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