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"^^ I guess the fear for the exporter is that tariffs will increase the price to a level where people will stop buying and look for a locally produced alternative, if there is one " There is that… but what the us is finding is that there is not always a “us made” substitute… or that for a us product some of its components need to come from elsewhere.. It was worked out the average American would end up spending an extra 1000-1200 dollars a year because of Extra tarrifs, which is why the trump administration is making more and more “carve outs” from the tariffs | |||
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"^^ I guess the fear for the exporter is that tariffs will increase the price to a level where people will stop buying and look for a locally produced alternative, if there is one There is that… but what the us is finding is that there is not always a “us made” substitute… or that for a us product some of its components need to come from elsewhere.. It was worked out the average American would end up spending an extra 1000-1200 dollars a year because of Extra tarrifs, which is why the trump administration is making more and more “carve outs” from the tariffs " Makes sense to me that's an extra $1000 staying in the country rather than going to China and a massive save on Carbon. If products reflected the true cost to the planet, you would be spending way more than an extra $1000 a year on them. It might be a bit young to remember this but in the UK we used to have by British campaigns to try and encourage people to buy from local countries to preserve things like UK manufacturing..... it's a shame the government didn't agree and impose tariffs, then we might have not ended up with an economy built solely on a few square miles of London | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣" Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made”  | |||
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" Makes sense to me that's an extra $1000 staying in the country rather than going to China and a massive save on Carbon. " As i understand it the tariff is levied upon the item so yes China has to put the item up but that isn't staying in China.. Its going into the US treasury..? | |||
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" Makes sense to me that's an extra $1000 staying in the country rather than going to China and a massive save on carbon " But is it staying in the country? Mobile phones? Computers? That lovely tv! Simple things like tea.. coffee… Last I checked.. pineapples… not us grown There are reasons why clothes and toys are made in poor countries… | |||
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" Makes sense to me that's an extra $1000 staying in the country rather than going to China and a massive save on carbon But is it staying in the country? Mobile phones? Computers? That lovely tv! Simple things like tea.. coffee… Last I checked.. pineapples… not us grown There are reasons why clothes and toys are made in poor countries…" yep the reason is you can pay them sl ave wages | |||
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"As i understand it the tariff is levied upon the item so yes China has to put the item up but that isn't staying in China.. Its going into the US treasury..?" Trump's tariffs are levied on imports, so it's the importer who pays. That means that American companies are the ones hit by the tariff charges. Obviously they have to pass that cost on, so ultimately it's the American consumer that pays. | |||
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"There are reasons why clothes and toys are made in poor countries…" "yep the reason is you can pay them sl ave wages " Slaves don't get wages, by definition. If they get paid, they're not slaves. What you mean is that they get paid a wage that's reasonable for the country where they work, but looks like a very small amount to us privileged westerners. | |||
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"There are reasons why clothes and toys are made in poor countries… yep the reason is you can pay them sl @ve wages Sl@ves don't get wages, by definition. If they get paid, they're not sl@ves. What you mean is that they get paid a wage that's reasonable for the country where they work, but looks like a very small amount to us privileged westerners." I like my cheep stuff from China, and if I'm helping a shead load of 10 year olds feed their families then that's good.  | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made” "Ssssh don't spoil his fantasies | |||
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"As i understand it the tariff is levied upon the item so yes China has to put the item up but that isn't staying in China.. Its going into the US treasury..? Trump's tariffs are levied on imports, so it's the importer who pays. That means that American companies are the ones hit by the tariff charges. Obviously they have to pass that cost on, so ultimately it's the American consumer that pays." Cheers..  | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made” "I thought this was (yet another) thread about Trump and America? | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣" Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China." Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. | |||
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"Free trade without tariffs keeps things cheaper as the competition is high. That's the economic argument and it's a valid one. There are couple of political arguments against it though. Countries with cheap labour will easily eat up the competition against a country with stronger labour laws. That's what happened with manufacturing from China and other Asian countries beating US and Europe. If you are reliant on trade from another country for an important commodity and there is a geopolitical issue with that country, you are fucked. While tariffs make things expensive, if used properly, they do serve a purpose in protecting national interests against these two political problems. Did Trump use it the right way? The short term results don't look good. We have to wait and see the long term results." Trump has weaponised tariffs which is not a clever global move, and whilst the shock factor was initially playing into his hands, it has now reversed and left him looking weak. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea." And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉" 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ? | |||
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"Free trade without tariffs keeps things cheaper as the competition is high. That's the economic argument and it's a valid one. There are couple of political arguments against it though. Countries with cheap labour will easily eat up the competition against a country with stronger labour laws. That's what happened with manufacturing from China and other Asian countries beating US and Europe. If you are reliant on trade from another country for an important commodity and there is a geopolitical issue with that country, you are fucked. While tariffs make things expensive, if used properly, they do serve a purpose in protecting national interests against these two political problems. Did Trump use it the right way? The short term results don't look good. We have to wait and see the long term results. Trump has weaponised tariffs which is not a clever global move, and whilst the shock factor was initially playing into his hands, it has now reversed and left him looking weak. " Exactly! He overplayed his hand. | |||
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"Free trade without tariffs keeps things cheaper as the competition is high. That's the economic argument and it's a valid one. There are couple of political arguments against it though. Countries with cheap labour will easily eat up the competition against a country with stronger labour laws. That's what happened with manufacturing from China and other Asian countries beating US and Europe. If you are reliant on trade from another country for an important commodity and there is a geopolitical issue with that country, you are fucked. While tariffs make things expensive, if used properly, they do serve a purpose in protecting national interests against these two political problems. Did Trump use it the right way? The short term results don't look good. We have to wait and see the long term results. Trump has weaponised tariffs which is not a clever global move, and whilst the shock factor was initially playing into his hands, it has now reversed and left him looking weak. Exactly! He overplayed his hand." | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ?" That’s the Jedi mind trick you use for “can’t argue so change the subject “ I mean.. you have only used it at least 3 times this week! I hate to say the words “predictable” and “one trick pony” but…….. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ?" And the relevance is ? | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ? And the relevance is ?" Integrity | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ? That’s the Jedi mind trick you use for “can’t argue so change the subject “ I mean.. you have only used it at least 3 times this week! I hate to say the words “predictable” and “one trick pony” but…….." Sorry if you find that subject boring, it's obviously less important than two idiots getting themselves shot in America. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ? That’s the Jedi mind trick you use for “can’t argue so change the subject “ I mean.. you have only used it at least 3 times this week! I hate to say the words “predictable” and “one trick pony” but…….. Sorry if you find that subject boring, it's obviously less important than two idiots getting themselves shot in America." It not like there literally isn’t a thread on the subject here… oh … you started it.. it still half way down page 1! So if you have stuff to add.. how about bumping that one up with a contribution that might inspire further discussion rather than trying to derail a different thread! Want me to link it for you.. just so you can find it? | |||
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"Just the idea of tariffs is nonsensical. So you’re gonna but up barriers that the average American voter needs to pay for. He doesn’t know what he’s doing, he’s got no plan. Guy doesn’t even know what planet he’s on anymore. Anyone truly believe he’s given more than a few seconds thought to this tariff BS?" Pretty much every country has tariffs. EU has tariffs too, agriculture and Automobiles especially high tariffs. All they all stupid? But Trump hasn't thought this through, I agree. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ? And the relevance is ? Integrity" Eh ? You mean the integrity that Trump stirred up the protestors and promised to protect them but was more interested in talking tarrifs and bullshit about Greenland and Iceland and let at least 50000 die and probably double that or more That integrity ? | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Typed on a Chinese made phone whilst wearing Chinese made clothes and sipping tea from a Union Jack mug made in China. Just checked and 0/3 but 👏 for the idea. And trump doesn't tell lies and didn't cheat a golf 😉 50,000 civilians killed in Iran and that's what you're worried about ?" Whataboutism FTW 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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"Tarrifs don't work ? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/trade-balance-soared-94percent-in-november-and-was-higher-than-a-year-ago-despite-tariff-efforts.html" Delusional TDS ….. of course they are working, the US economy and GDP is growing …. Unlike the stagnant UK and EU  | |||
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"Tarrifs don't work ? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/trade-balance-soared-94percent-in-november-and-was-higher-than-a-year-ago-despite-tariff-efforts.html Delusional TDS ….. of course they are working, the US economy and GDP is growing …. Unlike the stagnant UK and EU "Us debt currently around 34 trillion so yeah really working | |||
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"Tarrifs don't work ? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/trade-balance-soared-94percent-in-november-and-was-higher-than-a-year-ago-despite-tariff-efforts.html Delusional TDS ….. of course they are working, the US economy and GDP is growing …. Unlike the stagnant UK and EU "TDS .... Those three letters again 🙄 I'll try to keep this simple and maybe you can try using Google if you need to. US debt is rising faster than growth. I know you probably don't understand economics but that's not good, that's bad, in fact that's very bad, the worst. | |||
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"Tarrifs don't work ? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/trade-balance-soared-94percent-in-november-and-was-higher-than-a-year-ago-despite-tariff-efforts.html Delusional TDS ….. of course they are working, the US economy and GDP is growing …. Unlike the stagnant UK and EU "So….. the numbers are false… and have TDS… but the figures themselves are supplied by the trump administrations own bureau of labor statistics…. Remember trump sacked the last head of statistics claiming those numbers weren’t right with no evidence So if those numbers were wrong…. And these numbers are wrong…. does trump have TDS?  is it maths that has TDS? I mean… what do figures actually tell you…. Amma right!!!  | |||
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"Tarrifs don't work ? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/trade-balance-soared-94percent-in-november-and-was-higher-than-a-year-ago-despite-tariff-efforts.html Delusional TDS ….. of course they are working, the US economy and GDP is growing …. Unlike the stagnant UK and EU
So….. the numbers are false… and have TDS… but the figures themselves are supplied by the trump administrations own bureau of labor statistics….
Remember trump sacked the last head of statistics claiming those numbers weren’t right with no evidence
So if those numbers were wrong…. And these numbers are wrong…. does trump have TDS? is it maths that has TDS? I mean… what do figures actually tell you…. Amma right!!! "Trump's head is so fucked up he just doesn't know if it's day or night, Greenland or Iceland still, his earlobe healed well | |||
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"... still, his earlobe healed well" I've seen this posted a few times now. Are you trying to suggest that there was no attempt to shoot Trump, and that it was all staged? | |||
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"The whole tariff thing doesn’t work… and he uses it as a threat for all policy I just wish that SCOTUS would finally just get their fingers out and declare the way he is using them is and overreach of his power and declare them illegal.. For example just in the last few weeks he has threatened countries tariffs if they don’t support him on Greenland, Canada if they don’t buy F35’s, South Korea if they don’t build factories quicker, Canada and Britain if they do certain trade deals with China No matter how much you tell people that it’s the consumer that pays tarrifs not countries he has managed to Jedi mind trick a certain amount of his base" Quite successfully for Greenland, clintons always said keeping telling the lie, they will believe it eventually. If a tariff jacks up the price beyond what a consumer finds is reasonable then buy something else. Plenty renowned wines in the US, why but french? Keep pushing the narrative for those that cannot think for themselves! | |||
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"... still, his earlobe healed well I've seen this posted a few times now. Are you trying to suggest that there was no attempt to shoot Trump, and that it was all staged?" ..and obviously not ICE trained! | |||
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"... still, his earlobe healed well I've seen this posted a few times now. Are you trying to suggest that there was no attempt to shoot Trump, and that it was all staged?" Does an earlobe heal ? | |||
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Another trigger warning  ….. VOTE REFORM | |||
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"Tarrifs don't work ? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/29/trade-balance-soared-94percent-in-november-and-was-higher-than-a-year-ago-despite-tariff-efforts.html" Should that not be ‘tariffs’? | |||
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"TDS is strong with all the liberals on here hahaha ….. bless
Another trigger warning ….. VOTE REFORM "“TDS” is the standard go to when you don’t actually have anything to add to a topic.. it’s actually just really lazy at this point So do you actually have anything to add on the actual topic… tariffs.. because I am sure we would love to hear them | |||
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"The whole tariff thing doesn’t work… and he uses it as a threat for all policy I just wish that SCOTUS would finally just get their fingers out and declare the way he is using them is and overreach of his power and declare them illegal.. For example just in the last few weeks he has threatened countries tariffs if they don’t support him on Greenland, Canada if they don’t buy F35’s, South Korea if they don’t build factories quicker, Canada and Britain if they do certain trade deals with China No matter how much you tell people that it’s the consumer that pays tarrifs not countries he has managed to Jedi mind trick a certain amount of his base Quite successfully for Greenland, clintons always said keeping telling the lie, they will believe it eventually. If a tariff jacks up the price beyond what a consumer finds is reasonable then buy something else. Plenty renowned wines in the US, why but french? Keep pushing the narrative for those that cannot think for themselves!" How’s it been successful for Greenland? The 1951 treaty said America can have as many military bases as they like (they had 17.. and closed them all down to 1) they said America can drill for rare earth minerals as much as they like ( reason they don’t is because it’s not cost effective!) So trump pissed off all his allies and got what extra? Anyway.. back to tarrifs French wines and champagne already have tariffs on them… at that point if you are buying french.. then tariffs aren’t going to put you off Like the tariffs on a high priced European car.. if you are in that price range, the extra tariff is not going to put you off buying that Ferrari for example.. and say.. you know what! I’ll buy American!!!! All that ends up happening is that consumer is going to end up paying more… because Ferrari and Mercedes and McLaren certainly aren’t going to eat it | |||
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"French wines and champagne already have tariffs on them… at that point if you are buying french.. then tariffs aren’t going to put you off Like the tariffs on a high priced European car.. if you are in that price range, the extra tariff is not going to put you off buying that Ferrari for example.. and say.. you know what! I’ll buy American!!!!" Champagne and Ferraris are (in the US) examples of what economists call "Veblen goods", that is goods which don't follow the normal rules of supply and demand but instead become more desirable as their price goes up. The majority of buyers just get them to show how rich they are, and if they're more expensive that just shows their richness even more. For Veblen goods, tariffs are a boon. Exporters don't see a drop in demand so they're happy, buyers get more cachet from their purchase so they're happy, and the government gets some extra cash so it's happy too. | |||
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"French wines and champagne already have tariffs on them… at that point if you are buying french.. then tariffs aren’t going to put you off Like the tariffs on a high priced European car.. if you are in that price range, the extra tariff is not going to put you off buying that Ferrari for example.. and say.. you know what! I’ll buy American!!!! Champagne and Ferraris are (in the US) examples of what economists call "Veblen goods", that is goods which don't follow the normal rules of supply and demand but instead become more desirable as their price goes up. The majority of buyers just get them to show how rich they are, and if they're more expensive that just shows their richness even more. For Veblen goods, tariffs are a boon. Exporters don't see a drop in demand so they're happy, buyers get more cachet from their purchase so they're happy, and the government gets some extra cash so it's happy too. " Funny old world. I've never had the slightest interest in owning a 'fewwawi', driving one, sitting in one or even bothering to look at one, closely or otherwise. I can confidently say that, even if offered one as a gift. I might exchange it for cash and something useful but don't crave any interim interaction with one whatsoever. If they do a good job moving money around as explained above, good luck to the parties involved including the US government! | |||
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"French wines and champagne already have tariffs on them… at that point if you are buying french.. then tariffs aren’t going to put you off Like the tariffs on a high priced European car.. if you are in that price range, the extra tariff is not going to put you off buying that Ferrari for example.. and say.. you know what! I’ll buy American!!!! Champagne and Ferraris are (in the US) examples of what economists call "Veblen goods", that is goods which don't follow the normal rules of supply and demand but instead become more desirable as their price goes up. The majority of buyers just get them to show how rich they are, and if they're more expensive that just shows their richness even more. For Veblen goods, tariffs are a boon. Exporters don't see a drop in demand so they're happy, buyers get more cachet from their purchase so they're happy, and the government gets some extra cash so it's happy too. Funny old world. I've never had the slightest interest in owning a 'fewwawi', driving one, sitting in one or even bothering to look at one, closely or otherwise. I can confidently say that, even if offered one as a gift. I might exchange it for cash and something useful but don't crave any interim interaction with one whatsoever. If they do a good job moving money around as explained above, good luck to the parties involved including the US government!" But it also makes a mockery of the Trump administration claims in that the “country importing” is the one who is paying the extra tariffs when it’s the American consumer themselves who is the one basically eating the extra | |||
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"There may be treatment for T.V.S Other than that I do feel sorry for the mugs that actually believe his lies. Very sad" WHAT LIES? Please do enlighten us  | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made” "Probably not, but because of bad politics not much of anything is made in the UK anymore is there. What is the point you are trying to make? | |||
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"TRUMP IS AWESOME ….. Doing an AMAZING job and all liberals losing their minds is amusing
GO TRUMP ……. GO FARAGE …… GO MAGA ….. GO REFORM "Liberal tears are the most entertaining, and watching the mindless moron ICE protestors getting maced for hindering police operations is the best. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made”
Probably not, but because of bad politics not much of anything is made in the UK anymore is there.
What is the point you are trying to make?"That mobile phone and computer… not American made either! There is a reason why he threatened Apple with a huge tariff if he didn’t produce them in the us…and then backed off when he got told people would freak and point at him if they had to pay 3000 dollars for an iPhone! | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made”
Probably not, but because of bad politics not much of anything is made in the UK anymore is there.
What is the point you are trying to make?"The left apparently think its a good thing that our manufacturing industries have been decimated. 🤷🤦♂️ | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made”
Probably not, but because of bad politics not much of anything is made in the UK anymore is there.
What is the point you are trying to make?
The left apparently think its a good thing that our manufacturing industries have been decimated. 🤷🤦♂️"Really…… because the thousands who work at the lovely Nissan factory just down the road from me might disagree… and the hitachi rail facility just a bit further away than that!
Whose fault is this “decimation” … I would blame multinationals who decided it was cheaper to build elsewhere far more than I would say “the left” in your eyes… since you now made it a left/right issue…..
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made”
Probably not, but because of bad politics not much of anything is made in the UK anymore is there.
What is the point you are trying to make?
That mobile phone and computer… not American made either!
There is a reason why he threatened Apple with a huge tariff if he didn’t produce them in the us…and then backed off when he got told people would freak and point at him if they had to pay 3000 dollars for an iPhone! "That isn't exactly what happened. Apple will now invest in the US for chips, silicon engineering, AI, and components, which is a US jobs and tech win. They are also planning to deal less with China and spread their risk with assembly manufacturing that they had by using China as their primary. Not a bad result really. | |||
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"Left wingers for more cheap Chinese crap ! 🤣 Because the mobile phone or computer you wrote that on was “uk made”
Probably not, but because of bad politics not much of anything is made in the UK anymore is there.
What is the point you are trying to make?
The left apparently think its a good thing that our manufacturing industries have been decimated. 🤷🤦♂️
Really…… because the thousands who work at the lovely Nissan factory just down the road from me might disagree… and the hitachi rail facility just a bit further away than that!
Whose fault is this “decimation” … I would blame multinationals who decided it was cheaper to build elsewhere far more than I would say “the left” in your eyes… since you now made it a left/right issue…..
"Good divert from talking about tech manufacturing ! And wasn't Nissan going to close after Brexit ? 🤭 Whoevers 'fault' it was the fact is that it is the Trump right which is talking about bringing those jobs back to the US. Whether tariffs will achieve that remains to be seen but at least the right questions are being asked. | |||
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"There may be treatment for T.V.S Other than that I do feel sorry for the mugs that actually believe his lies. Very sad WHAT LIES? Please do enlighten us "Let's start with "who pays tariffs" then maybe let's check the inflation figures What about Nato forces didn't fight on the front line in Afghanistan ? Want more ? Actually just fact check anything hes said in the last few weeks | |||
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