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Business rate U turn for pubs

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasures OP   Man
14 weeks ago

nearby

Guardian reporting that Rachel Reeves will unveil a support package worth about £100m annually for pubs, after being warned of widespread closures and job losses after the announcement of controversial changes to business rates.

Government officials admitted that they had not foreseen the total financial impact of the rates shake-up in England and Wales announced in the budget in late November.

Apparently the package is limited to pubs, with the wider hospitality sector stuck with higher business rates. Restaurants will not benefit, and holiday let accommodation owners council tax’s have also been doubled.

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By (user no longer on site)
14 weeks ago

Another U-Turn ?! 🤣

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By *winga2Man
14 weeks ago

Stranraer


"Another U-Turn ?! 🤣"

You having trouble with reading words ?

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By *otMe66Man
14 weeks ago

Terra Firma


"Another U-Turn ?! 🤣

You having trouble with reading words ?"

Would you say it wasn't a u-turn in policy?

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By *ornucopiaMan
14 weeks ago

Bexley

Is there something special about pubs?

Surely people get everything on line nowadays?

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By *oubleswing2019Man
14 weeks ago

Colchester


"Is there something special about pubs?

Surely people get everything on line nowadays?"

I wondered that too. Why just pubs ? What about other elements of the hospitality sector as well ?

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And yes, since Covid and lockdowns, it became a necessity to order everything online, and I've not gone back to bricks and mortar shopping since. I can't remember the last time I went to a pub either. Socialising has moved from pubs to friends houses, and we mostly drink coffee and chat about politics / work.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasures OP   Man
14 weeks ago

nearby

AI says as of December 2024, the number of pubs in England and Wales fell below 39,000 for the first time since records began, reaching 38,989. Due to rising costs and closures, this represents a 6.7% increase in the rate of closures compared to 2023, with over 34 pubs closing per month.

Reeves business rates has increased the rate of closures.

If there are 39,000 pubs then £100M gives them £2564 each, about £7 a day.

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By (user no longer on site)
14 weeks ago

Pubs have always been places of freedom and democracy so of course this Govt hates them.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasures OP   Man
14 weeks ago

nearby


"Pubs have always been places of freedom and democracy so of course this Govt hates them. "

And those that work in them

AI says - Based on 2024–2025 data, the pub and bar sector in the UK supports approximately 489,000 to 495,000 direct employees. Including the wider supply chain, the industry supports over 1 million jobs

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By (user no longer on site)
14 weeks ago


"Pubs have always been places of freedom and democracy so of course this Govt hates them.

And those that work in them

AI says - Based on 2024–2025 data, the pub and bar sector in the UK supports approximately 489,000 to 495,000 direct employees. Including the wider supply chain, the industry supports over 1 million jobs"

If you're not a public sector worker you've got no chance with Labour.

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By *ony 2016Man
14 weeks ago

lincs /Hudd & Derby cinema


"Pubs have always been places of freedom and democracy so of course this Govt hates them. "

Unfortunately not always ,, black & Irish weren't allowed in as per the notices on the door

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan
14 weeks ago

Hastings


"Pubs have always been places of freedom and democracy so of course this Govt hates them.

And those that work in them

AI says - Based on 2024–2025 data, the pub and bar sector in the UK supports approximately 489,000 to 495,000 direct employees. Including the wider supply chain, the industry supports over 1 million jobs

If you're not a public sector worker you've got no chance with Labour. "

It must work out cheaper to keep the jobs and collect the NI and tax than put up costs and force more to close.

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By *ony 2016Man
14 weeks ago

lincs /Hudd & Derby cinema

One of the main problems with pub closures is people not going to the pub ,, I went yesterday on my own for a carvery , a large pub with a total of 6 people in , told my friend this tonight he said how cheap the cans were he is sat at home drinking tonight ,, it the same when people don't use banks then complain the local branch has closed ,, or those moaning about the lack of shops on the high street but are sat at home waiting for an on line delivery ,,

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By *oubleswing2019Man
14 weeks ago

Colchester

I think there is also a generational change.

In the 80's, as a teenager, a shopping event was mother, father, my cousin and me. Father would drive to Southend and we'd spend a whole day, "mooching". Keddies department store was a favourite.

There would be ice-creams on the seafront.

Fish and chips for the adults. I was taken to McDonalds for my lunch, as I don't like fish, and MCD's was exciting and new. (Always full of teenagers like me, and grumbling parents saying "What is this crap?" whilst they sipped a coffee.

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Whilst I do have fond memories of those days, I do kind of look back on them now and think, "We wasted a whole day mooching, to buy over-priced crap. Whilst memories are precious, I feel the pragmatics of modern living are where we are living now."

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