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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats." Halal is not necessarily inhumane. | |||
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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats. Halal is not necessarily inhumane." I would not agree with that. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living." I believe we have got ourselves into a mess by not caring about such things, allowing everything to be conveniently packaged with little regard to how it got there. Eating fast foods that have no touch points other than digital transaction and into the mouth. If we could start educating children on the benefits of eating better, preparing your own meals, buying a whole chicken and butchering it for meals etc we could turn the tide. That won't happen though the treasury want our money through food production VAT, employment taxes, haulage duties, licences, warehousing, supermarkets and finally the customer. The amount of times foods are handled is too many, and each handle will draw more revenue. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living." £6.3bn is spent in uk on veterinary care. UK livestock production £13bn With retail sales of meat and poultry £25bn Struggling to accept we can’t afford more to eat animals that have had a better life | |||
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"Education is a good idea. Too many people are oblivious to the origins of their chicken nugget but I think that butchering your own meat might be a step too far. I've plucked a chicken which was a real pain and skinned a rabbit but wouldn't fancy it every time I got the munchies. God forbid what would happen if I fancied a quick bacon butty." I might have been using butchering to liberally, I was thinking of portioning the chicken 
The money saved doing that is unreal, and the cuts you can get for dishes can be really rewarding. I watched a youtube video by Adam Byatt, he demonstrated how to portion a bird, I thought I knew how until I watched that. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living." animals come first not greedy humans | |||
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" I watched a youtube video he demonstrated how to portion a bird, I thought I knew how until I watched that." 😂 | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living. I believe we have got ourselves into a mess by not caring about such things, allowing everything to be conveniently packaged with little regard to how it got there. Eating fast foods that have no touch points other than digital transaction and into the mouth. If we could start educating children on the benefits of eating better, preparing your own meals, buying a whole chicken and butchering it for meals etc we could turn the tide. That won't happen though the treasury want our money through food production VAT, employment taxes, haulage duties, licences, warehousing, supermarkets and finally the customer. The amount of times foods are handled is too many, and each handle will draw more revenue. " Any VAT costs within food production are claimed back as input tax, aren't they? Basic food is zero rated for VAT purposes so doesn'tadd to the food bill. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument, just querying whether you can properly explain how VAT costs in the food supply chain are passed on to consumers. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living. I believe we have got ourselves into a mess by not caring about such things, allowing everything to be conveniently packaged with little regard to how it got there. Eating fast foods that have no touch points other than digital transaction and into the mouth. If we could start educating children on the benefits of eating better, preparing your own meals, buying a whole chicken and butchering it for meals etc we could turn the tide. That won't happen though the treasury want our money through food production VAT, employment taxes, haulage duties, licences, warehousing, supermarkets and finally the customer. The amount of times foods are handled is too many, and each handle will draw more revenue. Any VAT costs within food production are claimed back as input tax, aren't they? Basic food is zero rated for VAT purposes so doesn'tadd to the food bill. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument, just querying whether you can properly explain how VAT costs in the food supply chain are passed on to consumers." Takeaway food sales are £14bn+. Ignoring how much of that relates to meat and diary it’s a significant spend that includes vat. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living. animals come first not greedy humans " I read that the beef left overs from slaughter houses are collected to used to make ground beef. And that in an average burger remnants from up to 9000 animals. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living. I believe we have got ourselves into a mess by not caring about such things, allowing everything to be conveniently packaged with little regard to how it got there. Eating fast foods that have no touch points other than digital transaction and into the mouth. If we could start educating children on the benefits of eating better, preparing your own meals, buying a whole chicken and butchering it for meals etc we could turn the tide. That won't happen though the treasury want our money through food production VAT, employment taxes, haulage duties, licences, warehousing, supermarkets and finally the customer. The amount of times foods are handled is too many, and each handle will draw more revenue. Any VAT costs within food production are claimed back as input tax, aren't they? Basic food is zero rated for VAT purposes so doesn'tadd to the food bill. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument, just querying whether you can properly explain how VAT costs in the food supply chain are passed on to consumers." Not as a basic food item per se, taxes are heavy in foods that are processed, logistics, packaging, marketing etc and the amount of times these items change hands adds further costs. Also my point was around us educating to use basic foods to reduce these overheads in cost and improve health. A £8 ready meal is worth more to the treasury than fresh chicken from the butcher. | |||
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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats. Halal is not necessarily inhumane. I would not agree with that." On what basis? | |||
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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats. Halal is not necessarily inhumane." Wot about Kosher Everybody always forgets about Kosher  | |||
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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats. Halal is not necessarily inhumane. Wot about Kosher Everybody always forgets about Kosher "Indeed! It's not the method of death and the final few seconds that matters. It's everything that leads up to it. | |||
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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats. Halal is not necessarily inhumane. Wot about Kosher Everybody always forgets about Kosher
Indeed! It's not the method of death and the final few seconds that matters. It's everything that leads up to it."Indeed. The thread has got derailed. Animal cruelty throughout the animals life. | |||
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"Absolutely yes, and severely limit sale of halal meats. Halal is not necessarily inhumane. Wot about Kosher Everybody always forgets about Kosher
Indeed! It's not the method of death and the final few seconds that matters. It's everything that leads up to it.
Indeed. The thread has got derailed.
Animal cruelty throughout the animals life. "Absolutely. I've been vegetarian since I was 16 and would encourage everyone to eat less meat (except cock of course). | |||
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"Switzerland recently passed a law requiring food labels to clearly show when animals were exposed to painful practices during their often short lifetime before slaughter. The law requires producers, importers, restaurants, and grocers to label these items on packaging, menus, or elsewhere. It applies to meat, dairy, eggs, and imports of foie gras, which is produced through the merciless force feeding of ducks and geese to enlarge their livers. Products require labeling when animals are subjected to excruciating procedures, such as cutting off their testicles, horns, beaks, tails, teeth, or legs (as in the case of frogs’ legs), or force-feeding, all without painkillers. But the deeper systemic brutality of all animal farming and exploitation remains unaddressed, absent from the law is any requirement to provide pain relief, or a ban on these torturous procedures. The law doesn’t address many other horrors of animal farming including the psychological torment of confinement, separating babies from their mothers, and the violation and pain of forcible impregnation. Nor does it cover the suffering of animals transported to slaughter in extreme weather without food or water for days, the terror of the slaughterhouse, or piglet thumping, which involves slamming the heads of weak or slow-growing piglets against a hard surface to kill. Should the UK adopt similar packaging policies to make the public aware of animal cruelty in the farming of meat, poultry and dairy products ? " Tell us about psychological torment of isolation | |||
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"I think that it's a great idea- maybe they could use a simple traffic light system to show animal welfare standards? I would definitely support banning more cruel factory farming methods and making animal welfare a priority. If it puts up the cost of meat so be it- people can just go veggie a few days a week. " And if price doubled you would be OK with that. | |||
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"I think that it's a great idea- maybe they could use a simple traffic light system to show animal welfare standards? I would definitely support banning more cruel factory farming methods and making animal welfare a priority. If it puts up the cost of meat so be it- people can just go veggie a few days a week. And if price doubled you would be OK with that. " Yes. If we can't farm meat humanely we shouldn't be eating it. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living. I believe we have got ourselves into a mess by not caring about such things, allowing everything to be conveniently packaged with little regard to how it got there. Eating fast foods that have no touch points other than digital transaction and into the mouth. If we could start educating children on the benefits of eating better, preparing your own meals, buying a whole chicken and butchering it for meals etc we could turn the tide. That won't happen though the treasury want our money through food production VAT, employment taxes, haulage duties, licences, warehousing, supermarkets and finally the customer. The amount of times foods are handled is too many, and each handle will draw more revenue. Any VAT costs within food production are claimed back as input tax, aren't they? Basic food is zero rated for VAT purposes so doesn'tadd to the food bill. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument, just querying whether you can properly explain how VAT costs in the food supply chain are passed on to consumers. Not as a basic food item per se, taxes are heavy in foods that are processed, logistics, packaging, marketing etc and the amount of times these items change hands adds further costs. Also my point was around us educating to use basic foods to reduce these overheads in cost and improve health. A £8 ready meal is worth more to the treasury than fresh chicken from the butcher." But the VAT on costs of supply are claimed back as input tax. Tell me you understand how VAT works. | |||
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"Very good intention but what of the cost. This would be passed on to people who are already struggling with the cost of living. I believe we have got ourselves into a mess by not caring about such things, allowing everything to be conveniently packaged with little regard to how it got there. Eating fast foods that have no touch points other than digital transaction and into the mouth. If we could start educating children on the benefits of eating better, preparing your own meals, buying a whole chicken and butchering it for meals etc we could turn the tide. That won't happen though the treasury want our money through food production VAT, employment taxes, haulage duties, licences, warehousing, supermarkets and finally the customer. The amount of times foods are handled is too many, and each handle will draw more revenue. Any VAT costs within food production are claimed back as input tax, aren't they? Basic food is zero rated for VAT purposes so doesn'tadd to the food bill. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with your argument, just querying whether you can properly explain how VAT costs in the food supply chain are passed on to consumers. Not as a basic food item per se, taxes are heavy in foods that are processed, logistics, packaging, marketing etc and the amount of times these items change hands adds further costs. Also my point was around us educating to use basic foods to reduce these overheads in cost and improve health. A £8 ready meal is worth more to the treasury than fresh chicken from the butcher. But the VAT on costs of supply are claimed back as input tax. Tell me you understand how VAT works." 
Every stage of a modern food supply chain carries VAT costs energy, haulage, warehousing, packaging, refrigeration, IT, compliance, marketing. The VAT may be reclaimed, but the underlying cost of VAT still exists, and every layer adds overhead and margin that is passed forward.
The more processed and processed the product, the more stages it goes through, and the more costs are buried in the final product price.
You are correct that basic food is zero rated. You are also correct that suppliers reclaim VAT. That is a blinkered view of VAT, focusing on a single transaction rather than on how complex product supply chains price and pass on costs
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"Switzerland recently passed a law requiring food labels to clearly show when animals were exposed to painful practices during their often short lifetime before slaughter. The law requires producers, importers, restaurants, and grocers to label these items on packaging, menus, or elsewhere. It applies to meat, dairy, eggs, and imports of foie gras, which is produced through the merciless force feeding of ducks and geese to enlarge their livers. Products require labeling when animals are subjected to excruciating procedures, such as cutting off their testicles, horns, beaks, tails, teeth, or legs (as in the case of frogs’ legs), or force-feeding, all without painkillers. But the deeper systemic brutality of all animal farming and exploitation remains unaddressed, absent from the law is any requirement to provide pain relief, or a ban on these torturous procedures. The law doesn’t address many other horrors of animal farming including the psychological torment of confinement, separating babies from their mothers, and the violation and pain of forcible impregnation. Nor does it cover the suffering of animals transported to slaughter in extreme weather without food or water for days, the terror of the slaughterhouse, or piglet thumping, which involves slamming the heads of weak or slow-growing piglets against a hard surface to kill. Should the UK adopt similar packaging policies to make the public aware of animal cruelty in the farming of meat, poultry and dairy products ? " Oh great more useless regulations from the EU, good thing Britain does not have to abide by them. Imagine halal will get an exemption for throat slashing! | |||
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