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"According to the Minster on Laura k this morning young people who are not working will be offered training , bet it won't be training that is useful like fork lift driver training and licensing ( everything you see in a shop comes from a warehouse) and every warehouse needs fork lift trucks ..." Fork lift training takes a week, and there's no shortage of already qualified people. They won't be able to keep young people off the streets with that. " considering that you can't work on the railways after 55 ,why not train the young for that ( considering the railways are being nationalised) ." There is no maximum age for train drivers. They can keep going for as long as they meet the medical tests. The unions might not be happy with the idea of a large workforce with lower wages displacing the older more experienced people. "Maybe they should let employers not have to pay the national insurance for under 25's making young people more attractive to employers. The young would then have that all important experience." That's not a bad idea. But this government has now twice increased the minimum wage, making young people less attractive to employers, so it seems that they aren't interested in reducing barriers to employment. | |||
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"They already tried this year's ago called YTS all that happened was building trade flooded with mardy youngsters who thought they were qualified after only three months thought they knew everything and complained when asked to do something physical or something they considered "not part of their jobs" Can't see it being anything but worse today. I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education and stopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. " We the best army in the world because we a professional army | |||
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"They already tried this year's ago called YTS all that happened was building trade flooded with mardy youngsters who thought they were qualified after only three months thought they knew everything and complained when asked to do something physical or something they considered "not part of their jobs" Can't see it being anything but worse today. I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education and stopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. " It dose need to be work or education even apprenticeship or there is no benifit above £10/ week. Some how we need to up skill the youth. And get them ready for work. I left school at 16 on a Tuesday and started work on the Thursday the same week. And had a partime job since the age of 14. That I keep going till I was in my 3rd year apprenticeship. | |||
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"They already tried this year's ago called YTS all that happened was building trade flooded with mardy youngsters who thought they were qualified after only three months thought they knew everything and complained when asked to do something physical or something they considered "not part of their jobs" Can't see it being anything but worse today. I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education and stopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. " National service could Replace collage for sum as a diferant path but not after collage. Some might not think about work till they where 20+ solves nothing. Ans the forces dose not always make good employees. Most can't think for them self after time being told what to do and how to do it. | |||
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"They already tried this year's ago called YTS all that happened was building trade flooded with mardy youngsters who thought they were qualified after only three months thought they knew everything and complained when asked to do something physical or something they considered "not part of their jobs" Can't see it being anything but worse today. I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education and stopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. We the best army in the world because we a professional army " Yes but we don't even have enough soldiers to fill a double decker bus, which is fine if we plan to invade Guernsey but not to defend the country from a determined aggressor. | |||
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" I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education and stopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. " Society has dug itself a big hole to climb out of on youth unemployment I’d prefer investment in all industries to create real jobs. There are more businesses closing than opening under Labour Indeed the military could help those uncertain of what career / path to take The university system looks under increasing pressure too. Labour have just put a 6% levy on international student fee income. International students and their sponsors already pay up to treble in fees to a uk national student. | |||
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"They already tried this year's ago called YTS all that happened was building trade flooded with mardy youngsters who thought they were qualified after only three months thought they knew everything and complained when asked to do something physical or something they considered "not part of their jobs" Can't see it being anything but worse today. I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education and stopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. " OIY! who are you calling ‘mardy youngsters’, I did YTS.  | |||
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"Tstopping any benefit for people who refuse to attend arranged job interviews. " I am surprised this is not the case already. | |||
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"I prefer compulsory national service at 18 for those not in full time employment or education ..." I really don't see what the problem is with this. Just to be clear. I'm seeing National Service as being some sort of unpaid job that benefits the general population. Like litter picking, or street cleaning, or re-decorating public buildings. Obviously there would be exceptions for those that can't do it, but I don't see why the able-bodied idle can't do something useful in return for the benefits given to them by society. | |||
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The future looks increasingly grim for the young. As AI, androids and computer controlled tools mops up all the jobs, because it does not need to be paid or have NI costs and will not make mistakes [?] employers will be producing stuff cheaper and cheaper to sell to the unemployed hords of humanity.
Sadly, it would appear that the 19th century French workers solution to stopping machines taking their jobs, i.e. throwing their wooden footware (sabot) into the machinery to stop it (sabotage), will not work. The AI owners will employ AI drones to defend their inhumane devices.
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"The young should learn to have a trade or profession that cannot be done by AI. That would be ... hang on .... I will ask AI which jobs they cannot do.
The future looks increasingly grim for the young. As AI, androids and computer controlled tools mops up all the jobs, because it does not need to be paid or have NI costs and will not make mistakes [?] employers will be producing stuff cheaper and cheaper to sell to the unemployed hords of humanity.
Sadly, it would appear that the 19th century French workers solution to stopping machines taking their jobs, i.e. throwing their wooden footware (sabot) into the machinery to stop it (sabotage), will not work. The AI owners will employ AI drones to defend their inhumane devices.
new tech has always been seen as a threat to jobs:ludites farm mechanization etc, when I was growing up it was computers . in reality some jobs do disappear but others are created , no shorthand typists any more but loads of jobs in IT
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"The young should learn to have a trade or profession that cannot be done by AI. That would be ... hang on .... I will ask AI which jobs they cannot do.
The future looks increasingly grim for the young. As AI, androids and computer controlled tools mops up all the jobs, because it does not need to be paid or have NI costs and will not make mistakes [?] employers will be producing stuff cheaper and cheaper to sell to the unemployed hords of humanity.
Sadly, it would appear that the 19th century French workers solution to stopping machines taking their jobs, i.e. throwing their wooden footware (sabot) into the machinery to stop it (sabotage), will not work. The AI owners will employ AI drones to defend their inhumane devices.
new tech has always been seen as a threat to jobs:ludites farm mechanization etc, when I was growing up it was computers . in reality some jobs do disappear but others are created , no shorthand typists any more but loads of jobs in IT
"Before machinery it would take 10 good men a day to harvest a 10 acre field of corn. Today 1 man in a combine harvester would take an hour tops. Next year the farmer would not even need a driver as the CH would drive itself. Owners, employers and the rich will want to get humans out of their business. The more diverse and competent the machines become the less alternative trades and careers there are for the redundant humans. This is potentially human Armageddon; and the machines will win. Over 99.9% of species that have lived on earth are now extinct. Humanity will become extinct as well. Within 2,000 years after our passing there will be very little to show we were ever here, except perhaps a mile high pile of unnecessary widgets made by AI machines without an on off switch. | |||
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"The young should learn to have a trade or profession that cannot be done by AI. That would be ... hang on .... I will ask AI which jobs they cannot do.
The future looks increasingly grim for the young. As AI, androids and computer controlled tools mops up all the jobs, because it does not need to be paid or have NI costs and will not make mistakes [?] employers will be producing stuff cheaper and cheaper to sell to the unemployed hords of humanity.
Sadly, it would appear that the 19th century French workers solution to stopping machines taking their jobs, i.e. throwing their wooden footware (sabot) into the machinery to stop it (sabotage), will not work. The AI owners will employ AI drones to defend their inhumane devices.
new tech has always been seen as a threat to jobs:ludites farm mechanization etc, when I was growing up it was computers . in reality some jobs do disappear but others are created , no shorthand typists any more but loads of jobs in IT
Before machinery it would take 10 good men a day to harvest a 10 acre field of corn. Today 1 man in a combine harvester would take an hour tops. Next year the farmer would not even need a driver as the CH would drive itself.
Owners, employers and the rich will want to get humans out of their business. The more diverse and competent the machines become the less alternative trades and careers there are for the redundant humans.
This is potentially human Armageddon; and the machines will win. Over 99.9% of species that have lived on earth are now extinct. Humanity will become extinct as well. Within 2,000 years after our passing there will be very little to show we were ever here, except perhaps a mile high pile of unnecessary widgets made by AI machines without an on off switch. "Someone has to build, maintain and repair said machine. At work we invest in machines but still need operators, programers and like me engineers. Its called progress but education dose not give youngsters the skills. To create trade people. From Bricklayers to welders | |||
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"According to the Minster on Laura k this morning young people who are not working will be offered training , bet it won't be training that is useful like fork lift driver training and licensing ( everything you see in a shop comes from a warehouse) and every warehouse needs fork lift trucks , considering that you can't work on the railways after 55 ,why not train the young for that ( considering the railways are being nationalised) . Maybe they should let employers not have to pay the national insurance for under 25's making young people more attractive to employers. The young would then have that all important experience." You don't need a 3 year apprenticeship to pass a FLT test. The warehouse industry around here is offering so called apprenticeships, but it's little more than a scam to get government funded cheap young labour. PMSL when I read Toolstation is advertising a Store Apprentice role which entails unloading vehicles and shelf stacking. That'll sure as hell fire up the UK economy and the ambitious youth. | |||
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" The warehouse industry around here is offering so called apprenticeships, but it's little more than a scam to get government funded cheap young labour. " We've seen apprenticeships that are simply a scam to get government money and cheap disposable labour, with no meaningful training. Once upon a time, "apprenticeship" had a real meaning. | |||
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"According to the Minster on Laura k this morning young people who are not working will be offered training , bet it won't be training that is useful like fork lift driver training and licensing ( everything you see in a shop comes from a warehouse) and every warehouse needs fork lift trucks , considering that you can't work on the railways after 55 ,why not train the young for that ( considering the railways are being nationalised) . Maybe they should let employers not have to pay the national insurance for under 25's making young people more attractive to employers. The young would then have that all important experience. You don't need a 3 year apprenticeship to pass a FLT test. The warehouse industry around here is offering so called apprenticeships, but it's little more than a scam to get government funded cheap young labour. PMSL when I read Toolstation is advertising a Store Apprentice role which entails unloading vehicles and shelf stacking. That'll sure as hell fire up the UK economy and the ambitious youth. " There will need to be a structure in place with clear goals and learning opportunities assessed continuously on the shop floor and externally by a specific training company . Apprenticeships aren't just a case of hire kids, pay them less than minimum wage and teach them nothing. | |||
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"My nephew has good grades and has been looking for an apprenticeship for 12 months without success. It seems real apprenticeships are like hens teeth. Young people are being abandoned to fend for themselves, no wonder the youth crime rate is through the roof. " Is the apprenticeship team at his local FE college helping him? | |||
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"My nephew has good grades and has been looking for an apprenticeship for 12 months without success. It seems real apprenticeships are like hens teeth. Young people are being abandoned to fend for themselves, no wonder the youth crime rate is through the roof. Is the apprenticeship team at his local FE college helping him? " He is in regular contact with them with, without success. It seems that companies don’t want to train youngsters. | |||
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"My nephew has good grades and has been looking for an apprenticeship for 12 months without success. It seems real apprenticeships are like hens teeth. Young people are being abandoned to fend for themselves, no wonder the youth crime rate is through the roof. " Serious suggestion: He should find a company for which he would happily work, with growth potential and in which he has a reasonable chance of success. He should proactively approach them, explaining why he likes their company and why he would be a good fit/how he would bring value. He would then volunteer his time for three months (unpaid, or a peppercorn salary for insurance/etc. through a contract). Do this twenty times, or until someone bites. Some companies will be so impressed that they'll actually pay him. | |||
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"My nephew has good grades and has been looking for an apprenticeship for 12 months without success. It seems real apprenticeships are like hens teeth. Young people are being abandoned to fend for themselves, no wonder the youth crime rate is through the roof. Is the apprenticeship team at his local FE college helping him? He is in regular contact with them with, without success. It seems that companies don’t want to train youngsters. " Yes I think that's a big problem. Depending on what he wants to do so big corporations have their own apprenticeship schemes but you probably know that. Hope he finds something  | |||
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"My nephew has good grades and has been looking for an apprenticeship for 12 months without success. It seems real apprenticeships are like hens teeth. Young people are being abandoned to fend for themselves, no wonder the youth crime rate is through the roof. Is the apprenticeship team at his local FE college helping him? He is in regular contact with them with, without success. It seems that companies don’t want to train youngsters. " How odd is he and what is he looking for. | |||
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" How odd is he and what is he looking for. " That's an unpleasant assumption. Odd people can get employed, too.  | |||
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" How odd is he and what is he looking for. That's an unpleasant assumption. Odd people can get employed, too. "This is true I was employed for years | |||
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"My nephew has good grades and has been looking for an apprenticeship for 12 months without success. It seems real apprenticeships are like hens teeth. Young people are being abandoned to fend for themselves, no wonder the youth crime rate is through the roof. Is the apprenticeship team at his local FE college helping him? He is in regular contact with them with, without success. It seems that companies don’t want to train youngsters. How odd is he and what is he looking for. " I would hazard a guess at 17 or 19. | |||
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" How odd is he and what is he looking for. That's an unpleasant assumption. Odd people can get employed, too. "So there was no assumption just a question. As an employer, I don't take applications for apprenticeship if over 18 as the funding runs out. And level 7 has now been cut all together. But schools are not telling enough pupils that an apprenticeship is an alternative to colleges. | |||
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" How odd is he and what is he looking for. That's an unpleasant assumption. Odd people can get employed, too.
So there was no assumption just a question.
As an employer, I don't take applications for apprenticeship if over 18 as the funding runs out.
And level 7 has now been cut all together.
But schools are not telling enough pupils that an apprenticeship is an alternative to colleges.
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"Yes and as minimum wage changs it is more complicated. The preference is for from school so long as the English and Maths is OK but this can be improved inside the apprenticeship but needs more work. I also get fed up with letters from perants. They need the streth of caricature to work on site and be on time for work. " He is 16. He is at college training to be an electrician. | |||
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"Yes and as minimum wage changs it is more complicated. The preference is for from school so long as the English and Maths is OK but this can be improved inside the apprenticeship but needs more work. I also get fed up with letters from perants. They need the streth of caricature to work on site and be on time for work. He is 16. He is at college training to be an electrician. " Has he considered a railway or BT apprenticeship? | |||
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"Yes and as minimum wage changs it is more complicated. The preference is for from school so long as the English and Maths is OK but this can be improved inside the apprenticeship but needs more work. I also get fed up with letters from perants. They need the streth of caricature to work on site and be on time for work. He is 16. He is at college training to be an electrician. " Have you looked at JTL they are a good organisation. Collage is OK but if he gets an apprenticeship he will have to start again. OK he will have some knowledge but its different. | |||
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"Yes and as minimum wage changs it is more complicated. The preference is for from school so long as the English and Maths is OK but this can be improved inside the apprenticeship but needs more work. I also get fed up with letters from perants. They need the streth of caricature to work on site and be on time for work. He is 16. He is at college training to be an electrician. Have you looked at JTL they are a good organisation. Collage is OK but if he gets an apprenticeship he will have to start again. OK he will have some knowledge but its different." He’s got no choice, as no one seems to be taking on apprentices. He’s applied to loads. | |||
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"According to the Minster on Laura k this morning young people who are not working will be offered training , bet it won't be training that is useful like fork lift driver training and licensing ( everything you see in a shop comes from a warehouse) and every warehouse needs fork lift trucks , considering that you can't work on the railways after 55 ,why not train the young for that ( considering the railways are being nationalised) . Maybe they should let employers not have to pay the national insurance for under 25's making young people more attractive to employers. The young would then have that all important experience. You don't need a 3 year apprenticeship to pass a FLT test. The warehouse industry around here is offering so called apprenticeships, but it's little more than a scam to get government funded cheap young labour. PMSL when I read Toolstation is advertising a Store Apprentice role which entails unloading vehicles and shelf stacking. That'll sure as hell fire up the UK economy and the ambitious youth. " it requires 3 days to train & test for a FLT but many firms try to squeeze new staff through a 1 day test designed for experienced operators to re test . firms also try to stop employees taking qualifications with them if they leave the job . the training industry also exploit the situation by being too specific about the type of truck the training covers | |||
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"Yes and as minimum wage changs it is more complicated. The preference is for from school so long as the English and Maths is OK but this can be improved inside the apprenticeship but needs more work. I also get fed up with letters from perants. They need the streth of caricature to work on site and be on time for work. He is 16. He is at college training to be an electrician. Have you looked at JTL they are a good organisation. Collage is OK but if he gets an apprenticeship he will have to start again. OK he will have some knowledge but its different. He’s got no choice, as no one seems to be taking on apprentices. He’s applied to loads. " How meany companies has he walked in to the office and asked in person. Most start in September so places around you might be taken most limit numbers we only do 2 per year. | |||
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"Yes and as minimum wage changs it is more complicated. The preference is for from school so long as the English and Maths is OK but this can be improved inside the apprenticeship but needs more work. I also get fed up with letters from perants. They need the streth of caricature to work on site and be on time for work. He is 16. He is at college training to be an electrician. Have you looked at JTL they are a good organisation. Collage is OK but if he gets an apprenticeship he will have to start again. OK he will have some knowledge but its different. He’s got no choice, as no one seems to be taking on apprentices. He’s applied to loads. How meany companies has he walked in to the office and asked in person. Most start in September so places around you might be taken most limit numbers we only do 2 per year. " Between 10 and 15 is my estimate. | |||
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"They already tried this year's ago called YTS all that happened was building trade flooded " YTS did untold damage to the apprenticeship system | |||
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