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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math" That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? " How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. " Sure, they could. But isn't the employer NI increase the most likely cause? | |||
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"And your figures were from? Karen from Facebook? " While under-25s account for roughly a tenth of the overall UK workforce, the Guardian’s analysis of HMRC jobs data https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/earningsandemploymentfrompayasyouearnrealtimeinformationuk/november2025 published this week shows younger adults have borne the brunt of job losses in the past year | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources " Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. " But last years budget was a budget for "growth" 
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. Sure, they could. But isn't the employer NI increase the most likely cause? " That and • Business investment down - 0.3% fall in Q3 2025 following a 1.1% decline in Q2 2025 (ons) • Business confidence down (at -7.3, three year low) ons • More businesses closing than opening • increasing insolvencies ( 41% higher than the number in September 2024) Conversely lending to sme’s reported to have been increasing. | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. But last years budget was a budget for "growth"
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. But last years budget was a budget for "growth"
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Reeves cannot be trusted; her book plagiarised with extracts from Wikipedia, her masters degree likely the same. And a more than flowered up career experience, later changed, on LinkedIn "If Reeves said it's raining I'd buy sun cream. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. " for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building" The ons tables record housing starts and completions. Unless there are more than significant increases in construction starts (and skilled labour) the 1.5M _anifesto new home delivery (completions) pledge will not be met. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building" For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. " as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. " On those numbers not even half of 300k. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. " The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. | |||
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"no, AI is the cause. it's already decimated entry level jobs, admin jobs, network diagnostics, customer services, call centres, IT management, UX and UI developers, economists and so forth. this process of automation is set to rise exponentially over the next 5 years with an estimated 3 million jobs gone in the uk." AI is having an impact. But the ONS has repeatedly stated that the biggest job losses have been in hospitality and retail, manufacturing and oil & gas. These have nothing to do with AI. I can vouch that BP's new chairman is asking searching questions re its continued domicile in the UK - Castrol is actively for sale, it is no longer a UK refiner and its UK wind and solar investments are and Milipede is determined to finish off the North Sea. Of BP goes, Shell will follow and vice versa. Every business owner I know has taken or is taking pre-emptive steps: freeze on recruitment, slimming the workforce through natural attrition and cutting back on capital investment. There are successes: my peers are now running Rolls Royce but even they have been shedding jobs.And the broader construction outside housebuilding e.g. HS2, but remember most of this public sector activity is funded through taxation and borrowing. The private sector has backed away from these large scale projects, most notably big pharma projects included in Labour's day one claim of 64 billion of investment have been canned. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise." The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track | |||
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"It is clear that this government has created uncertainty which is reflected in house building and a house sale decline. Why would builders build 30% + affordable housing when inflation is high, building costs have risen and people who are not in the affordable housing group are worried about mortgage debt and their job security? The landscape is not exactly perfect at the minute." The uncertainty started with brexit and continues to flourish | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track" Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative. | |||
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"It is clear that this government has created uncertainty which is reflected in house building and a house sale decline. Why would builders build 30% + affordable housing when inflation is high, building costs have risen and people who are not in the affordable housing group are worried about mortgage debt and their job security? The landscape is not exactly perfect at the minute. The uncertainty started with brexit and continues to flourish " All major events will have an influence, as you say Brexit was and still is an issue for some, but not all. However the governments role is to help steer the ship not make the waters choppier. | |||
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"It is clear that this government has created uncertainty which is reflected in house building and a house sale decline. Why would builders build 30% + affordable housing when inflation is high, building costs have risen and people who are not in the affordable housing group are worried about mortgage debt and their job security? The landscape is not exactly perfect at the minute. The uncertainty started with brexit and continues to flourish All major events will have an influence, as you say Brexit was and still is an issue for some, but not all. However the governments role is to help steer the ship not make the waters choppier. " Brexit and Covid will be the go to excuses for a generation. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative. " I'm not entirely sure as it's an overview. They do mention that it's not easy to calculate such things. They did show the final figures for 2023/2024 which did show the individual categories. New house builds made up the vast majority of the total so looking at how they are going won't be far off | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. Sure, they could. But isn't the employer NI increase the most likely cause? " If 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost are under 25s and employers' NI is £0 for under 22 year olds, and £0 for apprentices under 25, how is the NI increase the cause? | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? How can you prove all these losses are due to labour?? Companies take some time to get into trouble and having to lay off workers, so chances are they where probably going to be layed off long before labour took charge. Sure, they could. But isn't the employer NI increase the most likely cause? If 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost are under 25s and employers' NI is £0 for under 22 year olds, and £0 for apprentices under 25, how is the NI increase the cause? " It can be the cause. Companies have a maximum expense for employees beyond which profits become unsustainable. Many companies cannot afford to lose their experienced people. So, they try to compensate for it by not hiring Freshers. It's similar to how minimum wage rules end up screwing the freshers. | |||
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"no, AI is the cause. it's already decimated entry level jobs, admin jobs, network diagnostics, customer services, call centres, IT management, UX and UI developers, economists and so forth. this process of automation is set to rise exponentially over the next 5 years with an estimated 3 million jobs gone in the uk." Wowww that’s scary… | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative. " again, you chose to cherry pick housebuilding from the construction industry in a weak attempt to push you narrative. that's why your claims are farcical. | |||
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"That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative." "again, you chose to cherry pick housebuilding from the construction industry in a weak attempt to push you narrative. that's why your claims are farcical." He's "cherry picking" housebuilding stats because the discussion is about Labour's promise to build 1.5m new homes. Even if commercial construction was turning out thousands of new buildings a day, that wouldn't affect Labour's ability to meet it's homebuilding target. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative. again, you chose to cherry pick housebuilding from the construction industry in a weak attempt to push you narrative. that's why your claims are farcical." Sharpest drop in construction activity in half a decade The July 2025 S&P Global UK Construction PMI reveals a steep decline in construction activity, with future outlooks growing increasingly pessimistic The report reveals that a downturn in construction activity intensifies as firms see a renewed decline in housing projects while staff levels fall again despite rapidly rising subcontractor rates. The quarter has seen the most rapid decline in industry activity since May 2020. All three subsectors were hit with declining figures The headline PMI dropped to 44.3 in July, down from 48.8 in June—a minor improvement from 47.9 in May—marking a sharp and significant downturn. Demand has also remained an issue, with a decline in new incoming work for the seventh month running in July. This contraction is the largest since February and is coupled with a fall in tender opportunities. The three monitored subsectors all experienced an individual decline as well, with civil engineering being hit the worst, followed by residential building and commercial construction. A survey sent to construction firms revealed that site delays, decreased volumes of new business, and a weakening of customer confidence are to blame for the decrease in output. Read the full July 2025 PMIs here Planning and building news. 6 August 2025 Brian Berry, chief executive of the FMB “The sharp downturn in construction activity undermines the Government’s stated ambition to deliver 1.5 million new homes and upgrade a further five million homes. Positive government policy reforms to speed up the planning system; introduce greater borrowing flexibility; and upskill the workforce are failing to unlock the much‑needed momentum to drive economic growth. Delivery is key which is why July’s plunge should be setting alarm bells ringing across both industry and government.” Joe Hayes, principal economist at S&P Global Market Intelligence “Having trended upwards in recent months, our survey data for July signal a fresh setback for the UK construction sector, with total industry activity falling at the sharpest rate since May 2020. Dissecting the latest contraction, we can see a fresh and sharp drop in residential building, as well as an accelerated fall in work carried out on civil engineering projects. “Forward-looking indicators from the survey imply that UK constructors are preparing for challenging times ahead. They’re buying less materials and reducing the number of workers on the payroll. Expectations also continue to underwhelm, despite a modest pick-up in confidence from June’s two-and-a-half-year low. “Anecdotally, companies reported a lack of tender opportunities and a hesitancy from customers to commit to projects. Broader themes of uncertainty, both domestically but also internationally, will do little to reignite investment appetites.” There’s a few others interviewed about the wider construction sector. Housing delivery was the message. | |||
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"251,000 need in the construction industry alone .... do the math That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative. again, you chose to cherry pick housebuilding from the construction industry in a weak attempt to push you narrative. that's why your claims are farcical." The _anifesto promise is on houses and dwellings so looking at house building figures is perfectly logical. The _anifesto promise is not for all construction | |||
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"again, you chose to cherry pick housebuilding from the construction industry in a weak attempt to push you narrative. that's why your claims are farcical. The _anifesto promise is on houses and dwellings so looking at house building figures is perfectly logical. The _anifesto promise is not for all construction"  | |||
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"That figure was to build the _anifesto pledge of 1,500,000 new homes. The projected shortfall is 840,000 homes this Parliament wrong ...you really need to check your bogus AI sources Have a look at nhbc and government Epc registrations over past 5 quarters. You will read the same as me, that housing completions are down quarter on quarter on 2024. Some significant slides. for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building For Q1 2025, 38,780 new housing completions, a 5.9% decrease compared to the first quarter of 2024. For Q2 2025, There were 36,160 new build dwelling completions (not seasonally adjusted) in 2025 Q2, a 19% decrease from the same quarter of the previous year In Q3 2025, there were approximately 26,427 new home completions reported by the NHBC across the UK, representing a 6% drop year-on-year Can’t see 300k a year delivery being attainable. as already proven, for your claims to have any meaning you realy need to check the figures for the construction sector as a whole instead of dwelling on house building which is a small part of the construction sector. you won't though, as the real figures of the industry as a whole would undermine the agenda you're trying to push here. The agenda is that Labour promised 1.5 million "houses" in this parliament. That is 300k a year. They are not even close. Chucking commercial property Etc into the mix is just a water muddying exercise. The pledge is shown for houses or dwellings on one of the _anifesto trackers. It is shown as new houses, conversion, demolitions and change of use. It also only applies to England. The tracker shows it to be off track Not to muddy the water, does the tracker take account of demolitions, iro 7.5/8k pa, and for labours 300,000 new social homes, after demolitions and right to buy sales are running negative. again, you chose to cherry pick housebuilding from the construction industry in a weak attempt to push you narrative. that's why your claims are farcical. He's "cherry picking" housebuilding stats because the discussion is about Labour's promise to build 1.5m new homes. Even if commercial construction was turning out thousands of new buildings a day, that wouldn't affect Labour's ability to meet it's homebuilding target." no, the discussion is about lost jobs. i replied in the second post that the jobs available in the construction sector are greater than the op's figure of lost jobs. then the usual fools went down a rabbit hole, cherry picking nonsense about housebuilding in weak attempt to push their agenda. it's that simple chap. | |||
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"i replied in the second post that the jobs available in the construction sector are greater than the op's figure of lost jobs. then the usual fools went down a rabbit hole, cherry picking nonsense about housebuilding in weak attempt to push their agenda. it's that simple chap. " It seems that you're very good at remembering what you wanted to say, but less good at noticing when other people have moved on to another topic. | |||
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" no, the discussion is about lost jobs. i replied in the second post that the jobs available in the construction sector are greater than the op's figure of lost jobs. then the usual fools went down a rabbit hole, cherry picking nonsense about housebuilding in weak attempt to push their agenda. it's that simple chap. "You clearly inhabit a cloud cuckoo land. Anyone who relies on ONS data is a bigger fool - as a provider of statistics upon which big decisions are being made it has lost any credibility: yesterday it announced that net emigration from the UK 2020-2024 was ca 600k higher than first reported (900k v 300k). It has had to revise GDP growth figures just about every month since covid. As for jobs it has admitted that the Labour Force Survey on which it bases its figures is broken - they rely on employers reponding to the surveys and those responders have simply stopped participating especially since July last year. Draw your own conclusions as to why. The latest report from BCIS is rather more reflective of what my business owner peers are saying: https://www.bcis.co.uk/news/latest-construction-workforce-figures/ There's worse to come IMHO: another increase in the minimum wage (100% certainty); digital tax reporting and at a lower threshold (already legislated); possible reduction in the VAT threshhold to £50k (50/50?); new employment rights bill (who knows, Labour doesn't appear to). And that list doesn't include further changes to NI, business rates, the impact of higher domestic council tax, a possible increase in VAT, inflationary impacts of the budget etc etc. Read it, read it and digest it. Then come back and tell everyone they are all "the usual fools". | |||
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"Half of all UK jobs shed since Labour came to power are among under 25’s. 46% of the 170,000 jobs lost from company payrolls since June 2024 are from those under the age of 25 – the equivalent of more than 150 jobs lost per day. No comment yet from Starmer and Reeves - will the budget create jobs ? " No, the budget will not create jobs. This govt and the govt beforehand has failed to address the biggest issue facing our country which is our lack of productivity. Our welfare system sadly does not encourage people to work therefore forcing increasing taxation on those who do work and own businesses. Its a shambles. | |||
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" no, the discussion is about lost jobs. i replied in the second post that the jobs available in the construction sector are greater than the op's figure of lost jobs. then the usual fools went down a rabbit hole, cherry picking nonsense about housebuilding in weak attempt to push their agenda. it's that simple chap.
You clearly inhabit a cloud cuckoo land. Anyone who relies on ONS data is a bigger fool - as a provider of statistics upon which big decisions are being made it has lost any credibility: yesterday it announced that net emigration from the UK 2020-2024 was ca 600k higher than first reported (900k v 300k). It has had to revise GDP growth figures just about every month since covid. As for jobs it has admitted that the Labour Force Survey on which it bases its figures is broken - they rely on employers reponding to the surveys and those responders have simply stopped participating especially since July last year. Draw your own conclusions as to why.
The latest report from BCIS is rather more reflective of what my business owner peers are saying:
https://www.bcis.co.uk/news/latest-construction-workforce-figures/
There's worse to come IMHO: another increase in the minimum wage (100% certainty); digital tax reporting and at a lower threshold (already legislated); possible reduction in the VAT threshhold to £50k (50/50?); new employment rights bill (who knows, Labour doesn't appear to). And that list doesn't include further changes to NI, business rates, the impact of higher domestic council tax, a possible increase in VAT, inflationary impacts of the budget etc etc.
Read it, read it and digest it. Then come back and tell everyone they are all "the usual fools". "I think that the late great Keith Waterhouse got it about right with the ONS. He called it "The National Office For Guesswork" managed by someone called Arnold.  | |||
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