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"I've never been a fan of any flags, and the St. George's flag especially makes me uneasy. It was the symbol of the Crusaders when they decided to butcher their way through the Holy Land (at the time). . It was the "swastika" of the period, as far as I am concerned and it certainly would have been perceived and understood by the indigenous peoples as such. . It's still tainted by the same red today as it was back then because that will never fade. " Comparing the St George’s Cross to the swastika is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I’ve read all year. | |||
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"I've never been a fan of any flags, and the St. George's flag especially makes me uneasy. It was the symbol of the Crusaders when they decided to butcher their way through the Holy Land (at the time). . It was the "swastika" of the period, as far as I am concerned and it certainly would have been perceived and understood by the indigenous peoples as such. . It's still tainted by the same red today as it was back then because that will never fade. " You might want to read up a bit more on your history regarding the crusades. And maybe avoid comparisons of the English flag to the Nazi German symbol in future. Wowzers. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me " You feel uneasy at the country flag that give you and your relatives a start in life??? If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK? | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me You feel uneasy at the country flag that give you and your relatives a start in life??? If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK?" Seriously???? | |||
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"The Typical UKIP, Reform Voter and Tommy supporter... Vulnerable, Very poorly Educated, Unable to think for Self, Easily led.. Hard wired to herd Mentality,Critical thinking, A Completely Alien concept.. NO Religion but think they Represent Christianity despite NEVER going to Church or having any religious affiliations, Most likely the very definition of a Bas... As their parents would probably not be married in holy matrimony hence the very real possibility of brought up in a broken home, no Moral Compass, hardened Drinkers and drug takers AND they have the Audacity to judge a people fighting and demonstrating against blatant injustice, mass murder and genocide!! 🤣🤣🤣🤡.. Till they go back to their Christian Roots, They should remain silent and humble.. and paint the odd roundabout with red paint. I have no problems whatsoever with people being proud of their country, it is the fact that a certain class of people are being swayed through misguided patriotism into the cesspool of hate, division and blatant racism. If you want to stop the boats STOP the goverment poking their noses into their bloody countries and going into illegal wars with the united Terrorist States of America, who have destroyed the middle East, Africa and Dozens of other countries through Slvry, Proxy wars and colonialism... Britain Looted India out of trillions ffs under the guise of the East India Company, Created the current Chaos and mass murder in The holy lands through the Balfour Declaration, a wholly illegal declaration unilaterally made to provide jews with a homeland.. since 1948 there has been nothing but mass murder in that region as a result of this unforgiveable treachery!.. till then Jews, muslims and Christians lived in harmony in Palestine... " Wow are you ok? You sound like an extremist. Surprised fab allows this to be accepted! | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me You feel uneasy at the country flag that give you and your relatives a start in life??? If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK?" “You and your relatives a start in life” “Why don’t you leave the UK?” Okay…. Hmmmm | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me " What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? " Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does | |||
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"Just Neville being a clown. Hamas terrorists have waved the Palestine flag often. Does that mean Jews in UK should feel uneasy when they see the Palestine flag? " I mentioned previously I am not keen on flags. In answer to your question however...if a flag or symbol has been adopted by others with violent aims, then continued use of that flag/symbol is on shaky ground. I should imagine there are Jewish people who might be uncomfortable in your example. And I should imagine there a Palestinians who feel uncomfortable seeing the Israeli flag. . And to answer someone earlier on, when I compared the St George Cross to the Swastika (they thought it was a ridiculous comparison). I should imagine a village seeing that flag and a host of knights steamrolling in to lay waste to all probably felt the same. It's only ridiculous if you are not able to empathise and place yourself in their position. See things from their perspective. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does " That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean" As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it." in your opinion. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does " So if your regular swingers club , club f. Had a UK flag flying outside you wouldn’t go in?? Yer right. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. " So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag?" What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide?" On a flagpole. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? On a flagpole." How tall does the flagpole have to be? Does it need to have any particular construction or mechanism to raise the flag? Should it come with some sort of quality certification? How about cheap flagpoles from China? Are you saying that only rich people who have the space and money for a flagpole on their land can fly a flag? | |||
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"I've never been a fan of any flags, and the St. George's flag especially makes me uneasy. It was the symbol of the Crusaders when they decided to butcher their way through the Holy Land (at the time). . It was the "swastika" of the period, as far as I am concerned and it certainly would have been perceived and understood by the indigenous peoples as such. . It's still tainted by the same red today as it was back then because that will never fade. " well I’m grateful my grandmother saw the British flag when they liberated her Homeland .. sorry that you have to feel uneasy about that also . | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? On a flagpole. How tall does the flagpole have to be? Does it need to have any particular construction or mechanism to raise the flag? Should it come with some sort of quality certification? How about cheap flagpoles from China? Are you saying that only rich people who have the space and money for a flagpole on their land can fly a flag? " Did I even hint at that? No. Are you able to have an honest conversation? Not by the looks of it. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? On a flagpole. How tall does the flagpole have to be? Does it need to have any particular construction or mechanism to raise the flag? Should it come with some sort of quality certification? How about cheap flagpoles from China? Are you saying that only rich people who have the space and money for a flagpole on their land can fly a flag? Did I even hint at that? No. Are you able to have an honest conversation? Not by the looks of it." You have said that flags should only be flown on a flagpole. I’m trying to ascertain what that means. The logic of what you are saying suggests that a poor person in a Council flat cannot fly a flag. But a rich person with a large garden and the financial wherewithal to pay for and erect a proper flagpole can. That seems to prevent poorer people from expressing their patriotic feelings. I’m not comfortable with that kind of snobbery and discrimination. I’m also not clear if I erect a two foot pole in my garden and stick a flag on it (a flagpole), if that is still demeaning the flag, whereas putting a flag twenty feet up on a lamppost is a problem. I just think you haven’t thought this through properly. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? On a flagpole. How tall does the flagpole have to be? Does it need to have any particular construction or mechanism to raise the flag? Should it come with some sort of quality certification? How about cheap flagpoles from China? Are you saying that only rich people who have the space and money for a flagpole on their land can fly a flag? Did I even hint at that? No. Are you able to have an honest conversation? Not by the looks of it. You have said that flags should only be flown on a flagpole. I’m trying to ascertain what that means. The logic of what you are saying suggests that a poor person in a Council flat cannot fly a flag. But a rich person with a large garden and the financial wherewithal to pay for and erect a proper flagpole can. That seems to prevent poorer people from expressing their patriotic feelings. I’m not comfortable with that kind of snobbery and discrimination. I’m also not clear if I erect a two foot pole in my garden and stick a flag on it (a flagpole), if that is still demeaning the flag, whereas putting a flag twenty feet up on a lamppost is a problem. I just think you haven’t thought this through properly." You can get them for £20-£30 on Amazon. A flagpole is a pole designed to support a flag. It's not hard. Now, why not try answering the question that you replied to... | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? On a flagpole. How tall does the flagpole have to be? Does it need to have any particular construction or mechanism to raise the flag? Should it come with some sort of quality certification? How about cheap flagpoles from China? Are you saying that only rich people who have the space and money for a flagpole on their land can fly a flag? Did I even hint at that? No. Are you able to have an honest conversation? Not by the looks of it. You have said that flags should only be flown on a flagpole. I’m trying to ascertain what that means. The logic of what you are saying suggests that a poor person in a Council flat cannot fly a flag. But a rich person with a large garden and the financial wherewithal to pay for and erect a proper flagpole can. That seems to prevent poorer people from expressing their patriotic feelings. I’m not comfortable with that kind of snobbery and discrimination. I’m also not clear if I erect a two foot pole in my garden and stick a flag on it (a flagpole), if that is still demeaning the flag, whereas putting a flag twenty feet up on a lamppost is a problem. I just think you haven’t thought this through properly. You can get them for £20-£30 on Amazon. A flagpole is a pole designed to support a flag. It's not hard. Now, why not try answering the question that you replied to..." So if I get one of these cheap Chinese flagpoles off Amazon and attach it and the flag to a lamppost, is that acceptable? | |||
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"Just Neville being a clown. Hamas terrorists have waved the Palestine flag often. Does that mean Jews in UK should feel uneasy when they see the Palestine flag? I mentioned previously I am not keen on flags. In answer to your question however...if a flag or symbol has been adopted by others with violent aims, then continued use of that flag/symbol is on shaky ground. I should imagine there are Jewish people who might be uncomfortable in your example. And I should imagine there a Palestinians who feel uncomfortable seeing the Israeli flag. . " Great! So do you accept that the ones who are upset about the George cross should also be upset about Palestine flags? If someone wears pride flag and does something horrible, will the pride flag also be on "shaky grounds" from then? | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it. in your opinion. So you can honestly say that, in your opinion, attaching a flag halfway up a lamppost or painting it on a mini roundabout so that it can be driven over, is showing a healthy dose of respect for the flag? What do you think is an appropriate setting for the flag? Is it something a government committee should decide? On a flagpole. How tall does the flagpole have to be? Does it need to have any particular construction or mechanism to raise the flag? Should it come with some sort of quality certification? How about cheap flagpoles from China? Are you saying that only rich people who have the space and money for a flagpole on their land can fly a flag? Did I even hint at that? No. Are you able to have an honest conversation? Not by the looks of it. You have said that flags should only be flown on a flagpole. I’m trying to ascertain what that means. The logic of what you are saying suggests that a poor person in a Council flat cannot fly a flag. But a rich person with a large garden and the financial wherewithal to pay for and erect a proper flagpole can. That seems to prevent poorer people from expressing their patriotic feelings. I’m not comfortable with that kind of snobbery and discrimination. I’m also not clear if I erect a two foot pole in my garden and stick a flag on it (a flagpole), if that is still demeaning the flag, whereas putting a flag twenty feet up on a lamppost is a problem. I just think you haven’t thought this through properly. You can get them for £20-£30 on Amazon. A flagpole is a pole designed to support a flag. It's not hard. Now, why not try answering the question that you replied to..." Just purchased my flag pole, on route to Essex. I know actually where to shove it. | |||
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"How am i an Extremist? 🤣.. just stating Facts which are plain as day yet some people prefer to follow the B.S. government and Media narrative HEAVILY influenced by Zionists.. Tommy for example is payed by Zionists to Spew Anti Islam Hate.. a proud member of the Israeli Defence league.. and He claims he Is a Patriot 😅 trying to live in foreign nations as does Ant and all the Cronies who are exploiting the poor vulnerable classless citizens of the UK towards hate and animosity.. they could not give a rats rear end about patriotism so long as their bank balances are healthy through foreign entities hell bent on creating chaos in the UK.. " classless citizen? What utter nonsense. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me " I can understand that. Nothing wrong with a flag as such, but these flag hangers and cross painters are doing it to intimidate. Jeez, I thought society had moved on from that fuckery. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me I can understand that. Nothing wrong with a flag as such, but these flag hangers and cross painters are doing it to intimidate. Jeez, I thought society had moved on from that fuckery." How do you know they are doing it to “intimidate”? Have you asked them all? Sounds like it’s all in your head. | |||
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"Never seen positive nationalism displayed anywhere. Flags have a place, on government buildings, borders, and international sports events. I don't really see the need to have flags flying everywhere or on flags at people's homes. I mean do you really not know what country your living in and need reminded of it. People say it's being patriotic. What proud of being where you were born by accident, something you had no control or input. I think its usually about thinking your better than others, something the Americans have got down to a art." That’s the problem with the Americans. They always think they are the best. At least we British know we are. | |||
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"Flags are cringe in your opinion In your opinion Just out of interest: is it all flags that are cringe or just the ones you don’t like?" Every single flag is cringe | |||
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"Never seen positive nationalism displayed anywhere. Flags have a place, on government buildings, borders, and international sports events. I don't really see the need to have flags flying everywhere or on flags at people's homes. I mean do you really not know what country your living in and need reminded of it. People say it's being patriotic. What proud of being where you were born by accident, something you had no control or input. I think its usually about thinking your better than others, something the Americans have got down to a art. That’s the problem with the Americans. They always think they are the best. At least we British know we are." Yet so many of the same flag waving people, saying how sh*t this country is. | |||
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"Never seen positive nationalism displayed anywhere. Flags have a place, on government buildings, borders, and international sports events. I don't really see the need to have flags flying everywhere or on flags at people's homes. I mean do you really not know what country your living in and need reminded of it. People say it's being patriotic. What proud of being where you were born by accident, something you had no control or input. I think its usually about thinking your better than others, something the Americans have got down to a art. That’s the problem with the Americans. They always think they are the best. At least we British know we are. Yet so many of the same flag waving people, saying how sh*t this country is." I think a lot of people think the country is shit - flag wavers or otherwise. Having lived all over the world I would prefer to live here than almost anywhere else. Sure we have issues but most counties would love to have the “issues” we have. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does So if your regular swingers club , club f. Had a UK flag flying outside you wouldn’t go in?? Yer right. " There's a difference between ONE flag and TWENTY of them. One is a flag. Twenty is a statement. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me I can understand that. Nothing wrong with a flag as such, but these flag hangers and cross painters are doing it to intimidate. Jeez, I thought society had moved on from that fuckery." I’m not intimidated? | |||
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"And to answer someone earlier on, when I compared the St George Cross to the Swastika (they thought it was a ridiculous comparison). I should imagine a village seeing that flag and a host of knights steamrolling in to lay waste to all probably felt the same. It's only ridiculous if you are not able to empathise and place yourself in their position. See things from their perspective." Instead of doubling down, maybe follow the suggestion of actually learning about the Crusades in order to have a better informed opinion? And then maybe, just maybe, you might understand better just how inappropriate your comparison is?? | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me You feel uneasy at the country flag that give you and your relatives a start in life??? If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK?" Here we go! | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me What is it that makes you feel so uneasy seeing the nations flag in numbers? Because there is a difference between being patriotic and being jingoistic There were loads of flags out during… for example… London 2012… or the World Cup run to the semi finals….and I don’t think anyone minded that at all! But those don’t have the overtones that this does That doesn't explain why seeing a flag makes you feel uneasy, unless your saying that outside of something like the Olympics or world cup, those displaying the flag must intend you harm. Is that what you mean As with any action, it's the intent behind it that matters. You can't seriously tell me that cable tying a flag half way up a grimy lamppost is a serious attempt at patriotism. It cheapens the flag, it belittles it." This… Flying a national flag (which should be compulsory from every single government building and it should be unaccompanied by any other flag) is a good thing… As you say, zip tying a £1.50 Amazon special isn’t the same thing. I’m proud of our flag and our heritage, I spent 9 years defending (loosely) it. | |||
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"Just Neville being a clown. Hamas terrorists have waved the Palestine flag often. Does that mean Jews in UK should feel uneasy when they see the Palestine flag? I mentioned previously I am not keen on flags. In answer to your question however...if a flag or symbol has been adopted by others with violent aims, then continued use of that flag/symbol is on shaky ground. I should imagine there are Jewish people who might be uncomfortable in your example. And I should imagine there a Palestinians who feel uncomfortable seeing the Israeli flag. . And to answer someone earlier on, when I compared the St George Cross to the Swastika (they thought it was a ridiculous comparison). I should imagine a village seeing that flag and a host of knights steamrolling in to lay waste to all probably felt the same. It's only ridiculous if you are not able to empathise and place yourself in their position. See things from their perspective." I still think comparing the swastika to the St George’s Cross is a ridiculous stretch. Your explanation makes it clear you’re leaning into empathy instead of logic, and turning history into emotion. Which sounds very familiar.. | |||
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"The facts remain that the Crusaders committed massacres of civilians and that the violence was extreme and religiously motivated. The only reason the death tolls are not comparable to later historical atrocities is a difference in technology." 1) What casused the Crusades in the first place? 2) Name any war/conflict or period of human history where warfare DIDN'T include or involve in some way massacres of civillians. 3) Thoughts on the Allied invasion of Europe in 1945? Was it justified? Seeing as it resulted in the deaths of millions (double civillians to combatants)? Are the flags of all the Allied nations (Great Britain included) therefore forever more to be viewed as "symbols of terror and brutality"...? | |||
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"The questions you’re asking avoid the main point — the St. George’s Cross has a brutal history tied to the Crusades." Again, as is pratically every national flag/historical religious symbol. The English flag is not special or unique in this quality. Singling it out and framing it as such in modern day (especially using a by-gone historical context) is... highly questionable, at best. "The killing of civilians was deliberate and approved by religious leaders." Correct. And the standard, everyday, go-to, morally accepted and justified thinking of the time - by ALL. Again, using todays modern thinking and ethical standards, name me a SINGEL war or conflict, especially of by-gone eras, that did NOT massacre civillians in the name of religious conquest. "The difference is moral. The Crusaders used that symbol while carrying out massacres;" Again, why is the St. George Cross being singled out here? Where's the moral difference between the English flag and the flags of the invading muslim nations? There isn't one. Again, trying to use a by-gone historical example, one-sidedly at that, to point to a monder-day moral judgement is intellectually dishonest. "the Allies fought to stop a genocidal regime. Comparing the two ignores intent — one side spread violence, the other tried to end it." Again, not even close. Your re-writing history to such a massively biased extent it's kind of amazing. The Holy Land and surrounding Christian kingdoms suffered muslim invasion for centuries, where the intent, which I will not be ignoring, was simply to kill or convert. You're cooked beyond belief if you believe it was only the Crusaders committing violence and brutality (and waving their flags while they do it) in that era. Furthermore, to remain morally and ethically consistent, I'll respond in the same way - does the killing of millions upon millions of civillians (double that of combatants) excuse the Allied invasion of Europe? The "cure" ended up being even more genocidal than the regime itself, after all... | |||
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"The facts remain that the Crusaders committed massacres of civilians and that the violence was extreme and religiously motivated. The only reason the death tolls are not comparable to later historical atrocities is a difference in technology. 1) What casused the Crusades in the first place? 2) Name any war/conflict or period of human history where warfare DIDN'T include or involve in some way massacres of civillians. 3) Thoughts on the Allied invasion of Europe in 1945? Was it justified? Seeing as it resulted in the deaths of millions (double civillians to combatants)? Are the flags of all the Allied nations (Great Britain included) therefore forever more to be viewed as "symbols of terror and brutality"...?" Without jumping into a historical argument… isn’t the answer to your last point going to always be that it’s going to be in the eye of the beholder? For example, the British did some really shitty things in India when they were trying to gain independence… I would suggest there are people just about still alive today that would see that flag in a bad way | |||
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"Without jumping into a historical argument… isn’t the answer to your last point going to always be that it’s going to be in the eye of the beholder? For example, the British did some really shitty things in India when they were trying to gain independence… I would suggest there are people just about still alive today that would see that flag in a bad way" I'd say that's a fair and accurate point. The British flag will represent different things to different individuals who perceive it, depending on context. Sure. I guess my point is that; for what flag ISN'T that the case? Pointing at the Crusades (one-sidedly) as a way to say that, now, today; "English flag bad" just isn't fair, balanced or correct. Period. It would be like saying to people flying the Turkish flag today and going "omg that flag is linked to the old Ottoman Empire and all the brutal and horrific sl@very and colonisation they did... how dare you?"... or, literally any other flag or symbol, etc. | |||
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"The thing that makes the Grorge Cross somewhat like the Swastika is that they've both been heavily wanker-ised. There are plenty of folk online who say "oh, but the Swastika is an old symbol of Indo-European peace and luck..." Which is of course entirely true. But obviously, it was then hijacked by a regime of horrendous genocidal cockfaces, and forever more it will be tainted with their legacy. You won't get it back. It's not going to wash clean. You can't untaint the tainted. Now, the George Cross hasn't yet had a regime of horrendous genocidal cockfaces associated with it, but it has had at least 50 years of being draped around highly punchy sneering intolerant folk involved with the NF, BNP and the darkest, shittiest days of football punch ups. For a lot of people that's what it's associated with. You won't get it back. It's not going to wash clean. You can't untaint the tainted. If we're honest, George is a bit of a rubbish saint for England. We're better off going back to lovely, cuddly old St Edmund, who never put a foot wrong, spoke a bit of English, is buried here, and didn't fart about with mythical pretend fantasy creatures. " THIS | |||
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"Going back to my original comment, about not being fond of flags. I think this thread just goes to show how divisive they are, doesn't it ? And in my mind, further cements the need to review their appropriateness in a modern and progressive society. Flags include some and divide others. In the bin with the lot of them." Even the concept of swinging is divisive for most population. Should we all drop the idea? | |||
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"Going back to my original comment, about not being fond of flags. I think this thread just goes to show how divisive they are, doesn't it ? And in my mind, further cements the need to review their appropriateness in a modern and progressive society. Flags include some and divide others. In the bin with the lot of them. Even the concept of swinging is divisive for most population. Should we all drop the idea?" That's called whataboutism. I'm talking about flags. | |||
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"Going back to my original comment, about not being fond of flags. I think this thread just goes to show how divisive they are, doesn't it ? And in my mind, further cements the need to review their appropriateness in a modern and progressive society. Flags include some and divide others. In the bin with the lot of them. Even the concept of swinging is divisive for most population. Should we all drop the idea? That's called whataboutism. I'm talking about flags." Your idea that we should drop something just because it's divisive sounds illogical. Unless you want us all to become uniform robots who confirm with everything the society deems right. | |||
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"Going back to my original comment, about not being fond of flags. I think this thread just goes to show how divisive they are, doesn't it ? And in my mind, further cements the need to review their appropriateness in a modern and progressive society. Flags include some and divide others. In the bin with the lot of them." It's weird* how attached we get to funny little forms of tribal identity. Our little mental security blankets. Whether that's a sky cloth ™️, a hobby, a vehicle brand, the music they listen to. People literally wrap their life around owning a Subaru, watching Pompey, listening to Rammstein, their particular niche bit of cycling, hiking or birdwatching, the bit of flappy cloth with the symbol on. Don't let's get started on religion. Humans, eh? We're strange bits of shambling meaty enigmatic oddness.... 🤠 *OK, it's kind of understandable. But I'm too much of a thicky thicky dum dum to formulate why tonight. | |||
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"Without jumping into a historical argument… isn’t the answer to your last point going to always be that it’s going to be in the eye of the beholder? For example, the British did some really shitty things in India when they were trying to gain independence… I would suggest there are people just about still alive today that would see that flag in a bad way I'd say that's a fair and accurate point. The British flag will represent different things to different individuals who perceive it, depending on context. Sure. I guess my point is that; for what flag ISN'T that the case? Pointing at the Crusades (one-sidedly) as a way to say that, now, today; "English flag bad" just isn't fair, balanced or correct. Period. It would be like saying to people flying the Turkish flag today and going "omg that flag is linked to the old Ottoman Empire and all the brutal and horrific sl@very and colonisation they did... how dare you?"... or, literally any other flag or symbol, etc."  | |||
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"Going back to my original comment, about not being fond of flags. I think this thread just goes to show how divisive they are, doesn't it ? And in my mind, further cements the need to review their appropriateness in a modern and progressive society. Flags include some and divide others. In the bin with the lot of them. It's weird* how attached we get to funny little forms of tribal identity. Our little mental security blankets. Whether that's a sky cloth ™️, a hobby, a vehicle brand, the music they listen to. People literally wrap their life around owning a Subaru, watching Pompey, listening to Rammstein, their particular niche bit of cycling, hiking or birdwatching, the bit of flappy cloth with the symbol on. Don't let's get started on religion. Humans, eh? We're strange bits of shambling meaty enigmatic oddness.... 🤠 *OK, it's kind of understandable. But I'm too much of a thicky thicky dum dum to formulate why tonight." Oh indeed and as a general rule such things are quite innocuous and harmless. What we must be ever vigilant for however, is when certain things or symbols are adopted for deeper and more dangerous purposes. For division. For hate. For uniting others under a banner in order to cause trouble elsewhere. . In answer to another poster, what is "illogical" is not challenging and dealing with these issues before they manifest more deeply and become more entrenched. . I am not aware of some or indeed any of the Subarus Owner's Club uniting under a banner to spread racist ideology. . Sadly, I cannot say the same about some who have abused the St. George's flag. | |||
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" . In answer to another poster, what is "illogical" is not challenging and dealing with these issues before they manifest more deeply and become more entrenched. . I am not aware of some or indeed any of the Subarus Owner's Club uniting under a banner to spread racist ideology. . Sadly, I cannot say the same about some who have abused the St. George's flag." The Subaru example doesn't make sense in this context. Someone buying Subaru isn't really a divisive issue. But there are lots of things people do in their lives, which can be considered divisive. You are happy with the idea of dropping the usage of the national flag on the grounds of divisiveness because you are personally not going to be affected. You do not want to raise the flag anyway. But if we expand the same logic to apply on everything that's divisive, like swinging, you don't want it to happen because you will lose the right to do something you like to do. Divisiveness will always be part of the society. We are humans. Not robots. We draw the line at violence. | |||
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"The union flag and st George's flag are this countrys flag and we should be proud of it and this country He never sang the nation anthem when he played for England so cant claim to be an England loving football player " National anthems are an interesting point See there are reasons why for example why South Africa changed from die stem to what they have now… inclusivity There are reasons why New Zealand sing two verses rather than one… inclusivity Irish playing two anthems at home rugby games…. Inclusivity And then there are opposites… South Africa again being an example Germany now don’t include a certain infamous verse in their national anthem Even god save the king/queen.. verse 1 is fine (the one we all sing) … verse 2 and 3 again fine but only sung on special occasions and I am willing to bet most of you wouldn’t know it if the music kept going after verse 1 and you didn’t have the words on the screen After that…. If you go and read the lyrics, it gets decidedly iffy!  | |||
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"The union flag and st George's flag are this countrys flag and we should be proud of it and this country He never sang the nation anthem when he played for England so cant claim to be an England loving football player National anthems are an interesting point See there are reasons why for example why South Africa changed from die stem to what they have now… inclusivity There are reasons why New Zealand sing two verses rather than one… inclusivity Irish playing two anthems at home rugby games…. Inclusivity And then there are opposites… South Africa again being an example Germany now don’t include a certain infamous verse in their national anthem Even god save the king/queen.. verse 1 is fine (the one we all sing) … verse 2 and 3 again fine but only sung on special occasions and I am willing to bet most of you wouldn’t know it if the music kept going after verse 1 and you didn’t have the words on the screen After that…. If you go and read the lyrics, it gets decidedly iffy! "I have found this about Neville not singing the national anthem.. He is quoted "I didn't sing it the first time I played for England. Partly because I thought, I'm serious about my work and I'm not singing before a game". He also goes onto say: "He [Thompson] only ever sought out one conversation with me. Did he want to pick my brains on World Cup preparation? Or ask how the FA could help behind the scenes? No, Mr Thompson wanted to know why I didn't sing the National Anthem." He added: "I'm not being told by some suits what to do." Nothing about the words of the national anthem, but very much all about him is my take on this. | |||
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" ... I have found this about Neville not singing the national anthem.. He is quoted "I didn't sing it the first time I played for England. Partly because I thought, I'm serious about my work and I'm not singing before a game". He also goes onto say: "He [Thompson] only ever sought out one conversation with me. Did he want to pick my brains on World Cup preparation? Or ask how the FA could help behind the scenes? No, Mr Thompson wanted to know why I didn't sing the National Anthem." He added: "I'm not being told by some suits what to do." Nothing about the words of the national anthem, but very much all about him is my take on this." Thanks for that info. I now know who the hell this 'Neville' is! | |||
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"Feeling uncomfortable because of the flag of the nation you live in is being flown is ridiculous, get a grip" Now now. Some people are more delicate than others let’s not invalidate that. This country has been very good to me when I arrived at 13/14 I can’t quite remember. I don’t feel uncomfortable with the flags myself but I recognise it could make people feel uneasy. Things are not happening in isolation. Europe is moving to the right and mass deportations could happen look at America. Who would have thought such a concept was possible a short while ago. Only this morning I read about a new party in Spain that are going down that route. | |||
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"Feeling uncomfortable because of the flag of the nation you live in is being flown is ridiculous, get a grip Now now. Some people are more delicate than others let’s not invalidate that. This country has been very good to me when I arrived at 13/14 I can’t quite remember. I don’t feel uncomfortable with the flags myself but I recognise it could make people feel uneasy. Things are not happening in isolation. Europe is moving to the right and mass deportations could happen look at America. Who would have thought such a concept was possible a short while ago. Only this morning I read about a new party in Spain that are going down that route. " This country has been very good to me as well. I am not in the least but concerned when seeing the national flag displayed outside if a major sporting event. I certainly do not associate it with events that happened over 1000 years ago and I'm not going to just assume that those that embrace the flag must be bad people | |||
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"I certainly do not associate it with events that happened over 1000 years ago and I'm not going to just assume that those that embrace the flag must be bad people " I agree, I don't assume that all who embrace the flag are bad people. I do assume some will be ignorant. Some lacking in empathy. And some don't really give a hoot. And of course for some it's a form of intimidation, dressed up as "innocuous patriotism" when questioned more deeply about it. | |||
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"Feeling uncomfortable because of the flag of the nation you live in is being flown is ridiculous, get a grip Now now. Some people are more delicate than others let’s not invalidate that. This country has been very good to me when I arrived at 13/14 I can’t quite remember. I don’t feel uncomfortable with the flags myself but I recognise it could make people feel uneasy. Things are not happening in isolation. Europe is moving to the right and mass deportations could happen look at America. Who would have thought such a concept was possible a short while ago. Only this morning I read about a new party in Spain that are going down that route. This country has been very good to me as well. I am not in the least but concerned when seeing the national flag displayed outside if a major sporting event. I certainly do not associate it with events that happened over 1000 years ago and I'm not going to just assume that those that embrace the flag must be bad people " | |||
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"It’s time we all start waving the Union flag or the St George’s Cross. How can anyone be offended by the flag of the country you live in ?" You know what, you’re right — the area I live in is really inclusive and accepting, and takes Pride in that. I should get a bunch of rainbow flags and stick them up on all the lampposts. | |||
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"It’s time we all start waving the Union flag or the St George’s Cross. How can anyone be offended by the flag of the country you live in ?" Yes, but why is it time 'we all' need to start waving them? What exactly is the real point in doing so? Is it somehow life changing and we will all go to pot if we don't? | |||
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"It’s time we all start waving the Union flag or the St George’s Cross. How can anyone be offended by the flag of the country you live in ?" Because, as with everything, it depends on the true intentions behind the act. When the flag of my country is co-opted by the far right and draped over the shoulders of d*unken thugs; when it is cheapened by people whose ladders clearly aren't tall enough to reach the top of whatever they're being cable tied to (I do wonder who has died, so many seem to be at half mast); when it is used to make fellow British citizens feel uncomfortable then I'm offended. Why should I be randomly waving it? | |||
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"Vexilology rules "We may be on vexatious vexillology at this point. | |||
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"I certainly do not associate it with events that happened over 1000 years ago and I'm not going to just assume that those that embrace the flag must be bad people I agree, I don't assume that all who embrace the flag are bad people. I do assume some will be ignorant. Some lacking in empathy. And some don't really give a hoot. And of course for some it's a form of intimidation, dressed up as "innocuous patriotism" when questioned more deeply about it." Those things could be assumed of some people waving many different flags. To me, if I see flags being displayed I don't suddenly imagine the crusaders are coming for me or the modern day equivalent. | |||
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" ... This isn't just braindead pissheads flag shagging." No, but they are doing the donkey work for the manipulators... | |||
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"I am 71 and only attribute that flag with The National Front and their violence and bigotism. I love my country but I appreciate its values through the way people talk and present themselves. I do not need to be draped under a flag. I actually like flags as colours and emblems. I do think that they are in danger of being used in a rather aggressive way. " Yes National Front. Speaking as someone who was savagely beaten and left in hospital by a gang of national front thugs in the 80's simply because I was a white lad with non white friends does tend to leave a lasting impression on the attitudes of these "people" | |||
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"It’s always interesting when the freedom of speech advocates get their knickers in a twist when free speech they don’t like is shared " It is freedom of speech that tells me who to speak to, who to agree with with. | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me You feel uneasy at the country flag that give you and your relatives a start in life??? If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK? Seriously????" yep _abio is a yank but seems he dosent like it there either | |||
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"So.. been the hot topic on twitter today Where do you stand, what do you think? I can’t say he is wrong… I think the Union Jack and more effectively the St George flag has been hijacked to the point where I as a POC feel uncomfortable… uncomfortable is the wrong word… uneasy if I see a lot of them I see a lot of mini roundabouts and zebra crossings very locally to me that have been done, and I can’t help but think “these are my neighbours!” They don’t know me but I can imagine they are making those assumptions about me You feel uneasy at the country flag that give you and your relatives a start in life??? If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK? Seriously????yep _abio is a yank but seems he dosent like it there either" A) sometimes it worth reading the views of the people you agree with and then wonder “hmmm… wonder why others didn’t reply to some with those overtones “ B) there are other ways to come across as a prize dick (for want of a better word) … I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say it’s flippant… but others may not (I’m sure I’ll get 48hrs ….. if I do I hope the mods will be balanced and you do as well) | |||
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"yep _abio is a yank but seems he dosent like it there either" Actually…. I’m going to offer you something that you didn’t offer me, which is a bit of grace If you knew the reasons and circumstances to why I decided to move from the states when I was 15, I don’t think you would have made the remark… some people here do know the story, I’m not going to share it with you (I have said it publicly before.. if you weren’t here.. tough) | |||
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"The best thing about this thread is that some of the flag shaggers have seen their bigoted arses and fucked off somewhere else!" Which flag do you prefer to shag? Palestine? Pride? Shame the two together is impossible.  | |||
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"The best thing about this thread is that some of the flag shaggers have seen their bigoted arses and fucked off somewhere else! Which flag do you prefer to shag? Palestine? Pride? Shame the two together is impossible. "Haven't you got any roundabouts to paint or hotels to shout at today? What a melt. | |||
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"If a British flag bothers you so much why don’t you leave the UK? “You and your relatives a start in life” “Why don’t you leave the UK?” Okay…. Hmmmm" The UK is not the USA. The England, Scottish, or Welsh flag, do not represent the same things that the Confederate flag is perceived to represent. | |||
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"Don't get why people put up flags outside of say a big sports match or national day. Anything else is a statement of nationalism not pride. It's not like these people celebrate St George's day in a constructive or cultural way even, just an excuse to show they are racists." Taking the content of the original post out of this what's wrong with a statement of nationalism ? If I wanted to put a English flag up on my house I will, I wouldn't because in my opinion it looks a bit tacky, For example, Anthony Joshua posed in front of a Nigerian flag in the ring the other day I'm assuming he was showing his pride to his family heritage. | |||
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"The cross of St George has become the Swastika of the Reform supporters." I've always assumed that it is something to do with football supporters when I see it flying. It is a rather tatty, drab, flag in comparison to a bright rippling Union Jack. | |||
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