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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xr12yx5l4o For context, Hamit Coskun of Turkish descent, burned a Quran in front of Turkish consulate as means of protest. Moussa Kadri went somewhere, came back with a knife and slashed him. At first, Hamit Coskun was fined for burning Quran. As we know that UK has enforced blasphemy laws for awhile, I think this is not surprising. And now, the guy who slashed him with a knife has been given a 20 week suspended sentence. Effectively this means no time in prison. People are being sent to prison over tweets while someone who engaged in violence doesn't face any prison time. Do you still think we don't have a two-tier justice system?" So 2 people committed a crime, both were arrested, both were convicted, and both were given sentences that fit within the sentencing guidelines. I'm not seeing any evidence of 2 tiers. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xr12yx5l4o For context, Hamit Coskun of Turkish descent, burned a Quran in front of Turkish consulate as means of protest. Moussa Kadri went somewhere, came back with a knife and slashed him. At first, Hamit Coskun was fined for burning Quran. As we know that UK has enforced blasphemy laws for awhile, I think this is not surprising. And now, the guy who slashed him with a knife has been given a 20 week suspended sentence. Effectively this means no time in prison. People are being sent to prison over tweets while someone who engaged in violence doesn't face any prison time. Do you still think we don't have a two-tier justice system? So 2 people committed a crime, both were arrested, both were convicted, and both were given sentences that fit within the sentencing guidelines. I'm not seeing any evidence of 2 tiers. " The sentence seems too lenient. From my point of view, attacking a person with a knife that also caused an injury is a go straight to jail decision. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xr12yx5l4o For context, Hamit Coskun of Turkish descent, burned a Quran in front of Turkish consulate as means of protest. Moussa Kadri went somewhere, came back with a knife and slashed him. At first, Hamit Coskun was fined for burning Quran. As we know that UK has enforced blasphemy laws for awhile, I think this is not surprising. And now, the guy who slashed him with a knife has been given a 20 week suspended sentence. Effectively this means no time in prison. People are being sent to prison over tweets while someone who engaged in violence doesn't face any prison time. Do you still think we don't have a two-tier justice system? So 2 people committed a crime, both were arrested, both were convicted, and both were given sentences that fit within the sentencing guidelines. I'm not seeing any evidence of 2 tiers. The sentence seems too lenient. From my point of view, attacking a person with a knife that also caused an injury is a go straight to jail decision. " I agree it seems lenient (as does the sentence given today to the asylum seeker from Essex) in my opinion you use a knife that should be a five year sentence regardless, but that's what the judges are bound by.. as you know.. | |||
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"The sentence seems too lenient. From my point of view, attacking a person with a knife that also caused an injury is a go straight to jail decision." Can you post any reputable news source that states an injury was caused? | |||
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"The sentence seems too lenient. From my point of view, attacking a person with a knife that also caused an injury is a go straight to jail decision. Can you post any reputable news source that states an injury was caused? " he slashed the blokes arm | |||
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"he slashed the blokes arm" All the news sources I can find say that he "slashed at". He was found guilty of assault, which covers threatening with a knife. He wasn't found guilty of actual bodily harm, which is what you'd expect if there was an injury. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xr12yx5l4o For context, Hamit Coskun of Turkish descent, burned a Quran in front of Turkish consulate as means of protest. Moussa Kadri went somewhere, came back with a knife and slashed him. At first, Hamit Coskun was fined for burning Quran. As we know that UK has enforced blasphemy laws for awhile, I think this is not surprising. And now, the guy who slashed him with a knife has been given a 20 week suspended sentence. Effectively this means no time in prison. People are being sent to prison over tweets while someone who engaged in violence doesn't face any prison time. Do you still think we don't have a two-tier justice system? So 2 people committed a crime, both were arrested, both were convicted, and both were given sentences that fit within the sentencing guidelines. I'm not seeing any evidence of 2 tiers. " Maybe the problem lies with the sentencing guidelines. Why would someone posting a tweet receive a longer sentence over someone who actually resorted to physical violence? | |||
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"The sentence seems too lenient. From my point of view, attacking a person with a knife that also caused an injury is a go straight to jail decision. Can you post any reputable news source that states an injury was caused? " https://youtube.com/shorts/hXraM9AYCQ0?si=4n39-Vq7ie-9A1ST This is the video. If he did not get injured from the knife, it's because he was good at evading the slashes. And he was definitely physically attacked after he was down. Also, there was a deliveroo driver you can see in the video who kicked the guy when he was down and police didn't even bother to find that guy | |||
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"All the news reporting indicates Moussra Kadri slashed AT Hamis Coskun. Nothing has been mentioned in respect of injuries, which suggests no injuries were sustained. " There are videos showing he was hit. Also, the fact that he tries to attack itself is definitely serious. Why should we let these far right extremists get away with such violent behaviour? " I have to wonder why the OP keeps referencing this incident, as they do repeatedly. " Because the whole case shows how lopsided the justice system is. And how your freedom of expression has been taken away to protect the feelings of some religious far right extremists. " It was a religiously aggravated public order incident, due to what he said WHILST he was burning the Quran. " That's just blasphemy law masquerading as public order act. " It would appear that both offenders were dealt with appropriately. " So people who resort to violence shouldn't be sent to prison? Good to know. | |||
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"All the news reporting indicates Moussra Kadri slashed AT Hamis Coskun. Nothing has been mentioned in respect of injuries, which suggests no injuries were sustained. There are videos showing he was hit. Also, the fact that he tries to attack itself is definitely serious. Why should we let these far right extremists get away with such violent behaviour? I have to wonder why the OP keeps referencing this incident, as they do repeatedly. Because the whole case shows how lopsided the justice system is. And how your freedom of expression has been taken away to protect the feelings of some religious far right extremists. It was a religiously aggravated public order incident, due to what he said WHILST he was burning the Quran. That's just blasphemy law masquerading as public order act. It would appear that both offenders were dealt with appropriately. So people who resort to violence shouldn't be sent to prison? Good to know." Erm, what's your evidence that Moussra Kadri is far right? The lopsidedness is your opinion. Not fact. No, it was a religiously motivated incident, religion is one of the five protected characteristics in criminal cases. It was more about the words he used, rather than the burning of the book. We don't have blasphemy laws. No, people who use violence should be dealt with appropriately, but we see it all the time. Men assault women and get a slap on the wrist. Emergency services staff assaulted, no time served. | |||
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" Erm, what's your evidence that Moussra Kadri is far right? " Religious conservatism is right wing. Using violence to enforce their religious values on others is far-right. " No, it was a religiously motivated incident, religion is one of the five protected characteristics in criminal cases. It was more about the words he used, rather than the burning of the book. We don't have blasphemy laws. " We have had this conversation before. People have said lot of worse things about Scientology in public protests. No one was arrested. Burning the Bible doesn't get you arrested either. It looks like only one religion has the privilege of enforcing blasphemy laws on the rest. " No, people who use violence should be dealt with appropriately, but we see it all the time. Men assault women and get a slap on the wrist. Emergency services staff assaulted, no time served. " Can you share some examples? Aside from the law itself, what's your view on this. Should such religious extremists spend time in prison or not? | |||
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" Erm, what's your evidence that Moussra Kadri is far right? Religious conservatism is right wing. Using violence to enforce their religious values on others is far-right. No, it was a religiously motivated incident, religion is one of the five protected characteristics in criminal cases. It was more about the words he used, rather than the burning of the book. We don't have blasphemy laws. We have had this conversation before. People have said lot of worse things about Scientology in public protests. No one was arrested. Burning the Bible doesn't get you arrested either. It looks like only one religion has the privilege of enforcing blasphemy laws on the rest. No, people who use violence should be dealt with appropriately, but we see it all the time. Men assault women and get a slap on the wrist. Emergency services staff assaulted, no time served. Can you share some examples? Aside from the law itself, what's your view on this. Should such religious extremists spend time in prison or not?" Should religion have been taken into consideration in this case? At the end of the day we have an individual who goes into his house and arms himself with a large kitchen knife threatening to kill the other gentleman before attempting many time to stab him. The CPS went for the lowest offence that would have been for pushing someone, slapping or spitting on someone suggesting they are either complicit or incompetent. Someone's religious texts can be someones else's comic. | |||
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" Erm, what's your evidence that Moussra Kadri is far right? Religious conservatism is right wing. Using violence to enforce their religious values on others is far-right. No, it was a religiously motivated incident, religion is one of the five protected characteristics in criminal cases. It was more about the words he used, rather than the burning of the book. We don't have blasphemy laws. We have had this conversation before. People have said lot of worse things about Scientology in public protests. No one was arrested. Burning the Bible doesn't get you arrested either. It looks like only one religion has the privilege of enforcing blasphemy laws on the rest. No, people who use violence should be dealt with appropriately, but we see it all the time. Men assault women and get a slap on the wrist. Emergency services staff assaulted, no time served. Can you share some examples? Aside from the law itself, what's your view on this. Should such religious extremists spend time in prison or not?" So you have no evidence that he's right wing. You couldn't evidence your Scientology claim either. Stephen Hill. South Wales 2022 Paul Luke. Northumbria. 2020 My view is that anyone who breaks the law should face the consequences of their actions. The courts decide what punishment is appropriate. Do you think such religious extremists should spend time in prison or not? | |||
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" So you have no evidence that he's right wing. " Not sure what you are on about. Evidence is his extremist behaviour driven by religious conservatism which is what the whole thread is about. " You couldn't evidence your Scientology claim either. " You can see pictures of protestors claiming Scientology is a cult: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-41697303.amp https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_group_Liberty,_Edinburgh_city_council_on_Scientology_%27cult%27_signs Is this less serious than what Coskun said about Islam? Is this not religious aggravation? " Stephen Hill. South Wales 2022 " https://uk.news.yahoo.com/serial-abuser-sentence-swansea-welsh-labour-mp-tonia-antoniazz-160747068.html He was given 2 years 3 months sentence of which he had to serve half in prison " Paul Luke. Northumbria. 2020 " This one is bad. We shouldn't be letting violent acts go unpunished. " My view is that anyone who breaks the law should face the consequences of their actions. The courts decide what punishment is appropriate. " So you don't have any personal opinions on this matter? You are happy with Paul Luke breaking the leg of a police officer and still not receiving prison sentence? | |||
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" Erm, what's your evidence that Moussra Kadri is far right? Religious conservatism is right wing. Using violence to enforce their religious values on others is far-right. No, it was a religiously motivated incident, religion is one of the five protected characteristics in criminal cases. It was more about the words he used, rather than the burning of the book. We don't have blasphemy laws. We have had this conversation before. People have said lot of worse things about Scientology in public protests. No one was arrested. Burning the Bible doesn't get you arrested either. It looks like only one religion has the privilege of enforcing blasphemy laws on the rest. No, people who use violence should be dealt with appropriately, but we see it all the time. Men assault women and get a slap on the wrist. Emergency services staff assaulted, no time served. Can you share some examples? Aside from the law itself, what's your view on this. Should such religious extremists spend time in prison or not? Should religion have been taken into consideration in this case? At the end of the day we have an individual who goes into his house and arms himself with a large kitchen knife threatening to kill the other gentleman before attempting many time to stab him. The CPS went for the lowest offence that would have been for pushing someone, slapping or spitting on someone suggesting they are either complicit or incompetent. Someone's religious texts can be someones else's comic. " Exactly! And they didn't even care to find the second guy, the deliveroo rider who decided to throw a couple of kicks in. | |||
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" So you have no evidence that he's right wing. Not sure what you are on about. Evidence is his extremist behaviour driven by religious conservatism which is what the whole thread is about. You couldn't evidence your Scientology claim either. You can see pictures of protestors claiming Scientology is a cult: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-41697303.amp https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/UK_group_Liberty,_Edinburgh_city_council_on_Scientology_%27cult%27_signs Is this less serious than what Coskun said about Islam? Is this not religious aggravation? Stephen Hill. South Wales 2022 https://uk.news.yahoo.com/serial-abuser-sentence-swansea-welsh-labour-mp-tonia-antoniazz-160747068.html He was given 2 years 3 months sentence of which he had to serve half in prison Paul Luke. Northumbria. 2020 This one is bad. We shouldn't be letting violent acts go unpunished. My view is that anyone who breaks the law should face the consequences of their actions. The courts decide what punishment is appropriate. So you don't have any personal opinions on this matter? You are happy with Paul Luke breaking the leg of a police officer and still not receiving prison sentence?" You did read what Coskun said, right? That was the public order, not the burning of the Quran. Also, you cannot equate extreme behaviour with extremism. Plenty of people engage in extreme behaviour, but that does not mean they are politically extremists. Scientology, you claimed there was a specific photograph which "evidenced" the religious extremism of the anti-scientology group, but then couldn't provide a link. But you had definitely seen it. None of the photos I saw of the demonstrations said anything inflammatory, or inciting others to violence. There was nothing illegal on their placards. Stephen Hill - was this one not as bad as the police officer? Just over a year in prison for the severity of they attack? Is it because the victim was a woman, or because at least he served some time in prison? Paul Luke. Dispicable behaviour. Suspended sentence. I think everyone has opinions on these things to one degree or another. If you are looking for two tier justice, maybe a suspended sentence for maiming a police officer, or just over a year in prison for a violent, sustained attack on an intimate partner is evidence that there is two tier, justice, just not in the manner in which you are proposing? | |||
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" You did read what Coskun said, right? That was the public order, not the burning of the Quran. " Yes I did. How is that any different from what was said about Scientology? " Also, you cannot equate extreme behaviour with extremism. Plenty of people engage in extreme behaviour, but that does not mean they are politically extremists. " If people saying bad things about a a religious ideology are violently attacked, it is extremism, far right extremism. " Scientology, you claimed there was a specific photograph which "evidenced" the religious extremism of the anti-scientology group, but then couldn't provide a link. But you had definitely seen it. None of the photos I saw of the demonstrations said anything inflammatory, or inciting others to violence. There was nothing illegal on their placards. " Coskun also didn't say anything inflammatory or inciting others to violence. I am comparing what Coskun said and what these protestors are saying. Why is one charged but the other not? " Stephen Hill - was this one not as bad as the police officer? Just over a year in prison for the severity of they attack? Is it because the victim was a woman, or because at least he served some time in prison? " I would love to see him get a longer prison sentence. But at least he got a prison sentence. Would you love to see Moussa Kadri get a prison sentence? " I think everyone has opinions on these things to one degree or another. " What's yours? Among Stephen Hill, Moussa Kadri and Paul Luke, who do you think should have been in prison? In my opinion, all of them should have been in prison. | |||
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" You did read what Coskun said, right? That was the public order, not the burning of the Quran. Yes I did. How is that any different from what was said about Scientology? Also, you cannot equate extreme behaviour with extremism. Plenty of people engage in extreme behaviour, but that does not mean they are politically extremists. If people saying bad things about a a religious ideology are violently attacked, it is extremism, far right extremism. Scientology, you claimed there was a specific photograph which "evidenced" the religious extremism of the anti-scientology group, but then couldn't provide a link. But you had definitely seen it. None of the photos I saw of the demonstrations said anything inflammatory, or inciting others to violence. There was nothing illegal on their placards. Coskun also didn't say anything inflammatory or inciting others to violence. I am comparing what Coskun said and what these protestors are saying. Why is one charged but the other not? Stephen Hill - was this one not as bad as the police officer? Just over a year in prison for the severity of they attack? Is it because the victim was a woman, or because at least he served some time in prison? I would love to see him get a longer prison sentence. But at least he got a prison sentence. Would you love to see Moussa Kadri get a prison sentence? I think everyone has opinions on these things to one degree or another. What's yours? Among Stephen Hill, Moussa Kadri and Paul Luke, who do you think should have been in prison? In my opinion, all of them should have been in prison. " I've revisited the photos of the UK Scientology protests. There are no public order offences on the placards. So there's that. What Coskun said was very much a public order offence. You may believe it's far right extremism, but that doesn't make it true. That is your opinion. There were no offences with the Scientology protestors, so there was nothing to arrest them for. The two are not the same. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8xr12yx5l4o For context, Hamit Coskun of Turkish descent, burned a Quran in front of Turkish consulate as means of protest. Moussa Kadri went somewhere, came back with a knife and slashed him. At first, Hamit Coskun was fined for burning Quran. As we know that UK has enforced blasphemy laws for awhile, I think this is not surprising. And now, the guy who slashed him with a knife has been given a 20 week suspended sentence. Effectively this means no time in prison. People are being sent to prison over tweets while someone who engaged in violence doesn't face any prison time. Do you still think we don't have a two-tier justice system? So 2 people committed a crime, both were arrested, both were convicted, and both were given sentences that fit within the sentencing guidelines. I'm not seeing any evidence of 2 tiers. The sentence seems too lenient. From my point of view, attacking a person with a knife that also caused an injury is a go straight to jail decision. I agree it seems lenient (as does the sentence given today to the asylum seeker from Essex) in my opinion you use a knife that should be a five year sentence regardless, but that's what the judges are bound by.. as you know.. " Do we the Uk have the space for all knife crime to be in prison for 5 years 🤔 I would guess not. But how wants to pay more tax so we can house more people in prison. And at what cost. | |||
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"I don't think there's a 2 tier system, apart from very wealthy being able to afford top legal representation. " This all over. Ever thought you bickering like this might play into their hands somewhat? probably not  | |||
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" I've revisited the photos of the UK Scientology protests. There are no public order offences on the placards. So there's that. What Coskun said was very much a public order offence. " Why not? What they said about Scientology is as bad as what Coskun said about Islam. " You may believe it's far right extremism, but that doesn't make it true. That is your opinion. " I gave an explanation for why it is far right extremism. Haven't heard a single argument from you for why it's not the case. Just because the left has this weird love for Islam, it doesn't stop their flavour of religious conservatism from being right wing. " There were no offences with the Scientology protestors, so there was nothing to arrest them for. The two are not the same. " They said lots of offensive things about Scientology just like what Coskun said about Islam. If one is a crime, the other should be too. I see that you have conveniently refused to answer my question about who among the three guys should go to prison. You don't have to do all these mental and verbal gymnastics if you just admit that you have a special bias in favour of one religion. Honesty goes a long way. | |||
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" Islamophobia and Antisemitism are just made up terms to stop legitimate discussion about religious doctrine, that’s not me defending Christianity but there is no protection to their view because we can openly discuss it! " Try telling that to people who have been killed, maimed or otherwise disadvantaged for being who they are or for the beliefs that they hold, and no other reason. Has anyone ever been accused of being an antisemite for making disparaging comments against the religious doctrine of Judaism? Jews don't really care what non Jews say about their religious beliefs, since they're not interested in attracting converts or promoting their religion beyond those already Jewish. Most (UK) Muslims accept that non Muslims will not believe in the Koran or the teachings of Muhammad. That's generally not called out as Islamaphobia. As with antisemitism, that's generally a term reserved for those who are against the *people* of the religion, not the religion itself. The bigger problem (in the UK), really, is where religions don't allow those within the religion to question it. Another issue is states enacting blasphemy laws that are imposed on people of other religions (e.g. the plight of Christians in Pakistan, Syria or Nigeria). | |||
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"We got rid of blasphemy laws in the uk many years ago for this very reason, if people cannot express openly their beliefs and thoughts or criticisms that is a backwards step! Antisemitism was derived to protect Zionism and criticism of Jews behaviours! Many Jewish authors will come out and criticise these things and have exposed what Zionists are doing, but for a non Jew to do such a thing is hate crime! The same with Islam! We had many people burned on stakes killed in inquisitions because of blasphemy laws back in the ages! At the end of the day violence is far worse than words, I condemn bringing violence on any person unless in self defence but human nature has shown us for thousands of years that tribalism and group think are easily manipulated to get people to do heinous things and it is going on today all over the world, the only way we as a species are to get rid of such things is open and honest conversations not speech laws! Religions are designed to pit one group over another, they have many positives but only to the insiders and always at the detriment to the outside group! " I understand your sentiment. The problem is that there are real cases of people who want violence inflicted on Jews and Muslims, which is why we can't completely get rid of the terms anti-semitism and Islamophobia. Unfortunately, you have people who expand the definitions of these words to include even criticism, mockery or verbal tirades against these ideologies. This is one more area where the first amendment in the US shines. They draw a line clearly at direct calls for violence, irrespective of the religion/race. This leaves much less room for interpretation, which is a good thing. | |||
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"Antisemitism was derived to protect Zionism and criticism of Jews behaviours! " When people call Adolf Hitler an antisemite, are they doing that to protect Zionism? Was he an antisemite? | |||
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"Antisemitism was derived to protect Zionism and criticism of Jews behaviours! When people call Adolf Hitler an antisemite, are they doing that to protect Zionism? Was he an antisemite?" This will not make me any friends here but I have looked fairly deeply into the history hitler and ww2 and things don’t seem to add up as clearly as you may believe so let’s keep that subject out of this! 85 million people were killed in that war and the allies were involved in just as many atrocities as the axis, yet the most important thing is 6million people, that even if we don’t question that number could strongly be argued most would have survived if it wasn’t for the food blockade’s on Germany. An army at war will always feed their own first and they were starving as well! I would urge you to read some of David Irvines work and watch the hatchet job of his court case! Maybe listen to or read some of hitlers speeches, there is no evidence that he ever ordered the extermination of any Jews let alone all of them, he did have some high ranking Jews working with him! Now if you look at who was behind the Bolshevik revolution in Russia that is responsible 60million+ Russian deaths, you may be surprised! In fact if you look at who has been behind all of the destabilisation of the Middle East and god knows how many millions of deaths and destitution in the whole region with ours and Americas full support, you may change your opinion on such matters! But that would take some research and soul searching to realise that our reality is not necessarily what we have been led to believe! I don’t expect you will but as an ex soldier and lover of our history it was not easy to wake up to what has been done our name over the last century, let alone the amount of lives it has cost us and the ridiculous amounts of debt we are in for the privilege of such things! | |||
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"Antisemitism was derived to protect Zionism and criticism of Jews behaviours! When people call Adolf Hitler an antisemite, are they doing that to protect Zionism? Was he an antisemite? This will not make me any friends here but I have looked fairly deeply into the history hitler and ww2 and things don’t seem to add up as clearly as you may believe so let’s keep that subject out of this! 85 million people were killed in that war and the allies were involved in just as many atrocities as the axis, yet the most important thing is 6million people, that even if we don’t question that number could strongly be argued most would have survived if it wasn’t for the food blockade’s on Germany. An army at war will always feed their own first and they were starving as well! I would urge you to read some of David Irvines work and watch the hatchet job of his court case! Maybe listen to or read some of hitlers speeches, there is no evidence that he ever ordered the extermination of any Jews let alone all of them, he did have some high ranking Jews working with him! Now if you look at who was behind the Bolshevik revolution in Russia that is responsible 60million+ Russian deaths, you may be surprised! In fact if you look at who has been behind all of the destabilisation of the Middle East and god knows how many millions of deaths and destitution in the whole region with ours and Americas full support, you may change your opinion on such matters! But that would take some research and soul searching to realise that our reality is not necessarily what we have been led to believe! I don’t expect you will but as an ex soldier and lover of our history it was not easy to wake up to what has been done our name over the last century, let alone the amount of lives it has cost us and the ridiculous amounts of debt we are in for the privilege of such things! " 
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"Antisemitism was derived to protect Zionism and criticism of Jews behaviours! When people call Adolf Hitler an antisemite, are they doing that to protect Zionism? Was he an antisemite? This will not make me any friends here but I have looked fairly deeply into the history hitler and ww2 and things don’t seem to add up as clearly as you may believe so let’s keep that subject out of this! 85 million people were killed in that war and the allies were involved in just as many atrocities as the axis, yet the most important thing is 6million people, that even if we don’t question that number could strongly be argued most would have survived if it wasn’t for the food blockade’s on Germany. An army at war will always feed their own first and they were starving as well! I would urge you to read some of David Irvines work and watch the hatchet job of his court case! Maybe listen to or read some of hitlers speeches, there is no evidence that he ever ordered the extermination of any Jews let alone all of them, he did have some high ranking Jews working with him! Now if you look at who was behind the Bolshevik revolution in Russia that is responsible 60million+ Russian deaths, you may be surprised! In fact if you look at who has been behind all of the destabilisation of the Middle East and god knows how many millions of deaths and destitution in the whole region with ours and Americas full support, you may change your opinion on such matters! But that would take some research and soul searching to realise that our reality is not necessarily what we have been led to believe! I don’t expect you will but as an ex soldier and lover of our history it was not easy to wake up to what has been done our name over the last century, let alone the amount of lives it has cost us and the ridiculous amounts of debt we are in for the privilege of such things! " Your first 8 words should have been enough for you to stop writing anything further...  | |||
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"Antisemitism was derived to protect Zionism and criticism of Jews behaviours! When people call Adolf Hitler an antisemite, are they doing that to protect Zionism? Was he an antisemite? This will not make me any friends here but I have looked fairly deeply into the history hitler and ww2 and things don’t seem to add up as clearly as you may believe so let’s keep that subject out of this! 85 million people were killed in that war and the allies were involved in just as many atrocities as the axis, yet the most important thing is 6million people, that even if we don’t question that number could strongly be argued most would have survived if it wasn’t for the food blockade’s on Germany. An army at war will always feed their own first and they were starving as well! I would urge you to read some of David Irvines work and watch the hatchet job of his court case! Maybe listen to or read some of hitlers speeches, there is no evidence that he ever ordered the extermination of any Jews let alone all of them, he did have some high ranking Jews working with him! Now if you look at who was behind the Bolshevik revolution in Russia that is responsible 60million+ Russian deaths, you may be surprised! In fact if you look at who has been behind all of the destabilisation of the Middle East and god knows how many millions of deaths and destitution in the whole region with ours and Americas full support, you may change your opinion on such matters! But that would take some research and soul searching to realise that our reality is not necessarily what we have been led to believe! I don’t expect you will but as an ex soldier and lover of our history it was not easy to wake up to what has been done our name over the last century, let alone the amount of lives it has cost us and the ridiculous amounts of debt we are in for the privilege of such things!
Wow.
That puts a new perspective on your posts."
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" I've revisited the photos of the UK Scientology protests. There are no public order offences on the placards. So there's that. What Coskun said was very much a public order offence. Why not? What they said about Scientology is as bad as what Coskun said about Islam. You may believe it's far right extremism, but that doesn't make it true. That is your opinion. I gave an explanation for why it is far right extremism. Haven't heard a single argument from you for why it's not the case. Just because the left has this weird love for Islam, it doesn't stop their flavour of religious conservatism from being right wing. There were no offences with the Scientology protestors, so there was nothing to arrest them for. The two are not the same. They said lots of offensive things about Scientology just like what Coskun said about Islam. If one is a crime, the other should be too. I see that you have conveniently refused to answer my question about who among the three guys should go to prison. You don't have to do all these mental and verbal gymnastics if you just admit that you have a special bias in favour of one religion. Honesty goes a long way." What, specifically, do you find offensive about the anti-scientology protests? No, you spouted your belief that you equate religion with for right extremism - "If people saying bad things about a a religious ideology are violently attacked, it is extremism, far right extremism." Your words. No evidence, so nothing to refute. Plenty of people are able to separate religion from politics. I don't favour one religion over another, again, that is your opinion and your bias. A better question would be, do I think they all had sentences commensurate with their crimes. Not all convictions warrant a prison sentence. You conveniently didn't respond why the police officer attack was worse than the attack on the female partner. Care to elaborate? | |||
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" What, specifically, do you find offensive about the anti-scientology protests? " I personally don't find what Coskun said or what was said in the Scientology protest offensive. Neither deserve to be charged. If you believe both should be charged, that's fine too. But if you believe one of them is worth a public order offence, but the other is not then that just shows your bias in favour of one religion. " No, you spouted your belief that you equate religion with for right extremism - "If people saying bad things about a a religious ideology are violently attacked, it is extremism, far right extremism." Your words. No evidence, so nothing to refute. Plenty of people are able to separate religion from politics. " So what is extreme religious conservatism? Left wing? Karl Marx would be offended if he heard that 😂 " A better question would be, do I think they all had sentences commensurate with their crimes. Not all convictions warrant a prison sentence. " It's not a better question. It's just a question that allows you to avoid answering a difficult one that would expose your bias in favour of one religion. " You conveniently didn't respond why the police officer attack was worse than the attack on the female partner. Care to elaborate? " I believe that the attack on the female and the one on police are equally worse. Both done with similar levels of violence. | |||
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" I believe that the attack on the female and the one on police are equally worse. Both done with similar levels of violence. " So why did you say "this one is bad" in relation to the male police officer, but not the female intimate partner? That suggests a bias on your part. | |||
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" I believe that the attack on the female and the one on police are equally worse. Both done with similar levels of violence. So why did you say "this one is bad" in relation to the male police officer, but not the female intimate partner? That suggests a bias on your part. " I said this one is bad because the attacker was not even given a prison sentence. In the other case, the attacker at least got a prison sentence. | |||
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