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By *usie p OP TV/TS
34 weeks ago

taunton

Who would make a good prime minister, I don't see anyone with the ability to perform the miracles we need. On the other hand who would want the job the pay is not that good, so you would probably need to be wealthy with a skin as thick as a rhino or enjoy a good beating continually and talk a convincing tale.

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By *otMe66Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma

Wes Streeting is probably the safest pair of hands at the moment.

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By *arry and MegsCouple
34 weeks ago

Ipswich

"Who would make a good prime minister, I don't see anyone with the ability to perform the miracles we need. On the other hand who would want the job the pay is not that good, so you would probably need to be wealthy with a skin as thick as a rhino or enjoy a good beating continually and talk a convincing tale."

It doesn't matter who the prime minister is, the issues remain the same and whoever is brave enough to deal with the real issues will be out of a job in weeks as it's going to be unpopular.

Tax increases ✅

Benefit cuts ✅

Public service cuts ✅

And at the same time give markets confidence. If the markets like it then the people won't

Long term pain is difficult to serve but necessary as we are living way beyond our means

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By *usie p OP TV/TS
34 weeks ago

taunton

Yes Wes does seem like an honorable gentleman but heck he is far too young for a sacrifice.

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By *otMe66Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma

"Yes Wes does seem like an honorable gentleman but heck he is far too young for a sacrifice."

He has the ability to be straight talking, that is worth a lot in politics right now. I think he could nudge the mood of the nation, and that wouldn't be a bad thing.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
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34 weeks ago

Central

We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
34 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

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By *otMe66Man
34 weeks ago

Terra Firma

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship. "

how?

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By *9alMan
34 weeks ago

Bridgend

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship. "

it would need to be someone far enough away from the present cabinet to distance themselves from the rash promises made about tax & spending in the election campaign

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By *hrill CollinsMan
34 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

it would need to be someone far enough away from the present cabinet to distance themselves from the rash promises made about tax & spending in the election campaign "

And far enough away from the last disastrous cabinets since 2010 whilst simultaneously acting like well adjusted grown ups ... Which basically rules out all of Farage plc.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship. "

Then how come 'big business' is getting burdened with more and more rules, regulation and taxes?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
34 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

Then how come 'big business' is getting burdened with more and more rules, regulation and taxes?"

Meanwhile... On planet earth

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By *anifestoMan
34 weeks ago

Angela Rayner

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By *ostindreamsMan
34 weeks ago

London

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

Then how come 'big business' is getting burdened with more and more rules, regulation and taxes?"

They are. But big businesses tend to have the resources to handle these regulations. It's the small businesses who get fucked by these regulations there by giving monopoly to the big businesses.

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By (user no longer on site)
34 weeks ago

"We need a gigantic shift in policies and strategies, otherwise a different PM isn't going to get very far. We have huge financial interests that don't want much to change.

Agreed. Big business has far too much control over government and it's this fact that is stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship.

Then how come 'big business' is getting burdened with more and more rules, regulation and taxes?"

It’s just a ploy to make them look like victims.

When businesses all blame the government for “stifling growth, innovation and entrepreneurship” it’s just projection. We all know that they are are the ones who are trying desperately to go bust.

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By *ortySwitchMan
34 weeks ago

london

In the film , love actually, Hugh grant played a pretty good pm. Perhaps we could convince him to play the role again, but for real this time.

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By *ingdomNightTimePleasuresMan
34 weeks ago

nearby

Even the guardian is turning on Starmer

‘Keir Starmer has been warned that time is running out to repair his faltering premiership, with Labour MPs beginning to ask whether he could be challenged as prime minister.’

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By *oubleswing2019Man
33 weeks ago

Colchester

Can humans actually run *anything* reliably, consistently, equitably and successfully for a prolonged period of time ? Without strife, conflict, division, and internal and external sabotage ?

And yet we kid ourselves that the next mob will do things differently.

And we overlook the fact that there are people much higher up the food chain who don't want things done differently. They want them done their own way. Their benefit comes first. Always has and always will.

So any PM will always have "guard rails" set by the people above them.

Why do we tolerate this maleficence ? I have no idea.

Perhaps we should be governed by AI, and the coded parameters are made publicly available for all to see. Ethically reviewed, and all changes published transparently and openly.

I believe this is eminently possible.

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By *exy_HornyCouple
33 weeks ago

Leigh

None of the current crop of MPs (from any party) is good enough to make an excellent PM.

In any case, whoever gets the job will just be a puppet of the left leaning remainer blob that is the Civil Service as has been the case for decades.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
33 weeks ago

Colchester

Interestingly, Albania have just appointed an AI minister.

They are a a cabinet member who is, literally, the work of AI.

Various articles on news sources about it.

Said a spokesperson, "Not only will we wipe out every potential influence on public biddings – we will also make the process much faster, much more efficient and totally accountable."

Oh to have had this during the times of Covid and our own "fast track procurement fiasco". Would have ed out Baroness Mone I reckon.

Remove all forms of human interaction in the tendering process. That's how you root out corruption.

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By *otMe66Man
33 weeks ago

Terra Firma

"Interestingly, Albania have just appointed an AI minister.

They are a a cabinet member who is, literally, the work of AI.

Various articles on news sources about it.

Said a spokesperson, "Not only will we wipe out every potential influence on public biddings – we will also make the process much faster, much more efficient and totally accountable."

Oh to have had this during the times of Covid and our own "fast track procurement fiasco". Would have ed out Baroness Mone I reckon.

Remove all forms of human interaction in the tendering process. That's how you root out corruption."

RFI and RFP are not AI conducive, negotiation would fail without human interaction and much needed human relationships.

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By *oubleswing2019Man
33 weeks ago

Colchester

"RFI and RFP are not AI conducive, negotiation would fail without human interaction and much needed human relationships. "

Partially true according to Chat GPT.

RFI : AI could run ~70–80% of the RFI work (automation + analysis), but humans still need to validate insights and set direction.

RFP : AI could automate ~60–70% of RFP work (drafting, scoring, comparisons), but final decision-making, negotiations, and relationship-building remain human tasks.

In essence a lot could be done by AI, especially in the RFI field. That's at this moment in time anyway. I should imagine as time creeps on, those percentages will climb.

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By *otMe66Man
33 weeks ago

Terra Firma

"RFI and RFP are not AI conducive, negotiation would fail without human interaction and much needed human relationships.

Partially true according to Chat GPT.

RFI : AI could run ~70–80% of the RFI work (automation + analysis), but humans still need to validate insights and set direction.

RFP : AI could automate ~60–70% of RFP work (drafting, scoring, comparisons), but final decision-making, negotiations, and relationship-building remain human tasks.

In essence a lot could be done by AI, especially in the RFI field. That's at this moment in time anyway. I should imagine as time creeps on, those percentages will climb."

I'm not convinced AI would be anywhere near having this capability in the next 50 years or more.

AI is great for delivering known outcomes, however, it falls very short at reasoning on outliers. Procurement is too nuanced for reliable outcomes that essentially could make or break a business.

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By *ichaeltontineMan
33 weeks ago

SWANSEA

Maybe

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
33 weeks ago

Chichester

I’d just rather the king take full control at this point

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
33 weeks ago

Border of London

"RFI and RFP are not AI conducive, negotiation would fail without human interaction and much needed human relationships."

Haha...AI is even more subject to manipulation than a human (by asking the right question, you can get the answer your want), just now there will be less accountability ("the AI did it"). The same biases can exist, and the software is still buggy.

Yes, it can replace a couple of junior functionaries, but "judgement" is something that it severely lacks, since it has absolutely no intelligence. We're a long, long way from "AI" bring able to do this. Is there a place for GenAI to assist? Yes. Can we give it any real decision-making? Absolutely not!

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
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33 weeks ago

Central

Andy Burnham

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By *9alMan
33 weeks ago

Bridgend

its sad that out of 400 labour MPs we are all struggling to find someone we think is up to being PM

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
33 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

"its sad that out of 400 labour MPs we are all struggling to find someone we think is up to being PM "

There are apparently 650 MP’s in Parliament altogether, I don’t think I could name 10, let alone pass opinion on their capabilities.

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By *roadShoulderzMan
33 weeks ago

Petersfield

"Andy Burnham "

I got 33/1 on him last year, and 20/1 a week ago. Now down to 7/1 along with Streeting.

He has the looks, the track record and appears to be a decent guy. Far more appealing than Farage ever could be.

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By *ornucopiaMan
33 weeks ago

Bexley

"Andy Burnham

I got 33/1 on him last year, and 20/1 a week ago. Now down to 7/1 along with Streeting.

He has the looks, the track record and appears to be a decent guy. Far more appealing than Farage ever could be. "

No doubt the establishment supporting press will find some dirt on him when the time is right.

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By *I TwoCouple
31 weeks ago

near enough

"its sad that out of 400 labour MPs we are all struggling to find someone we think is up to being PM "

It's more sad that out of 350 million plus people they chose trump 🤷‍♂️

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By *9alMan
31 weeks ago

Bridgend

"its sad that out of 400 labour MPs we are all struggling to find someone we think is up to being PM

It's more sad that out of 350 million plus people they chose trump 🤷‍♂️"

And they have done it twice! why cant the Democrats get their act together??

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By *estivalMan
31 weeks ago

borehamwood

"its sad that out of 400 labour MPs we are all struggling to find someone we think is up to being PM

It's more sad that out of 350 million plus people they chose trump 🤷‍♂️"
Well when you have two bad choices it's gona be a shit show either way,

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By *ctionSandwichCouple
31 weeks ago

Newcastle under Lyme

We've both lost faith in aa political solution. Ruppert Lowe would be hubby's choice. Farage a reluctant second choice because he could end up bought out anyway. Elements of the establishment will stifle and sabotage whoever tries to make changes as the Liz Truss ousting showed.

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By *ohnhelenCouple
31 weeks ago

preston

maybe someone honest and trustworthy. We can all dream

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By *ichaeltontineMan
30 weeks ago

SWANSEA

Its not down to 1 man

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By (user no longer on site)
30 weeks ago

"Andy Burnham

I got 33/1 on him last year, and 20/1 a week ago. Now down to 7/1 along with Streeting.

He has the looks, the track record and appears to be a decent guy. Far more appealing than Farage ever could be.

No doubt the establishment supporting press will find some dirt on him when the time is right."

I think that could be on the cards, as I do not think KS could defeat him.

But I hope not and that he makes a bid for leadership.

In Manchester he defeated Boris so Manchester did not get a congestion charge yet.

And has done good things for the city.

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