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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view?" Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. | |||
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"I look at what’s just happened to Charlie Kirk and that young woman so publicly butchered on the train by that pond life while bystanders simply got out their phones to record her dying moments with utter sadness over the direction the world is heading. I hope he pulls through but the footage of which I was an unwelcome viewer on X isn’t looking good. Very sad they have to resort to assassination attempted or otherwise "Having a military background I'd be surprised if he wasn't dead before he even got put in the ambulance. Appalling violence. The halfwits celebrating online can't see that murdering political opponents is textbook fascism. | |||
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"‘Charlie Kirk claims gun deaths are 'worth it' to protect second amendment’ … I wonder, really just wonder if there was a way of massively slashing gun violence in the USA…" I read there’s 400 million firearms in circulation. Impossible I’d think. | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views." Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort | |||
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" I read there’s 400 million firearms in circulation. Impossible I’d think. " | |||
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"Just been announced. Disgusting I see bad times coming " Trump can’t take it out on Utah… but I bet there is going to be some sort of crackdown on every single college campus across the country Until someone is caught, there is going to be a whole lot of finger pointing | |||
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"Just been announced. Disgusting I see bad times coming Trump can’t take it out on Utah… but I bet there is going to be some sort of crackdown on every single college campus across the country Until someone is caught, there is going to be a whole lot of finger pointing " A suspect is in custody already. But you're right, this is the start of something big to come from Trump and MAGA. RIP Charlie. | |||
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"Just been announced. Disgusting I see bad times coming Trump can’t take it out on Utah… but I bet there is going to be some sort of crackdown on every single college campus across the country Until someone is caught, there is going to be a whole lot of finger pointing A suspect is in custody already. But you're right, this is the start of something big to come from Trump and MAGA. RIP Charlie. " Yeah hearing the guy was 200 yards away in another building | |||
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"Just been announced. Disgusting I see bad times coming Trump can’t take it out on Utah… but I bet there is going to be some sort of crackdown on every single college campus across the country Until someone is caught, there is going to be a whole lot of finger pointing A suspect is in custody already. But you're right, this is the start of something big to come from Trump and MAGA. RIP Charlie. " The person who they took in was not involved in the shooting and has been released… the person who did is currently still out there If an assault on “bigballz” got Washington DC turned into a military state, then i fear what this is going to do.. if this had happened in a blue state martial law would have been called! College campus’s is the easy option.. | |||
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"Just been announced. Disgusting I see bad times coming Trump can’t take it out on Utah… but I bet there is going to be some sort of crackdown on every single college campus across the country Until someone is caught, there is going to be a whole lot of finger pointing A suspect is in custody already. But you're right, this is the start of something big to come from Trump and MAGA. RIP Charlie. The person who they took in was not involved in the shooting and has been released… the person who did is currently still out there If an assault on “bigballz” got Washington DC turned into a military state, then i fear what this is going to do.. if this had happened in a blue state martial law would have been called! College campus’s is the easy option.." Sure. Young father gets murdered and it’s all about Trump. Is there a second of any day that he doesn’t live in your head? | |||
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"Just been announced. Disgusting I see bad times coming Trump can’t take it out on Utah… but I bet there is going to be some sort of crackdown on every single college campus across the country Until someone is caught, there is going to be a whole lot of finger pointing A suspect is in custody already. But you're right, this is the start of something big to come from Trump and MAGA. RIP Charlie. The person who they took in was not involved in the shooting and has been released… the person who did is currently still out there If an assault on “bigballz” got Washington DC turned into a military state, then i fear what this is going to do.. if this had happened in a blue state martial law would have been called! College campus’s is the easy option.. Sure. Young father gets murdered and it’s all about Trump. Is there a second of any day that he doesn’t live in your head?" Trump was the one who confirmed it to the world via his social fucking media!!!! Jesus Christ… do I live in your head rent free? Does the bat signal go off on planet buck anytime I make a post!! | |||
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"‘Charlie Kirk claims gun deaths are 'worth it' to protect second amendment’ … I wonder, really just wonder if there was a way of massively slashing gun violence in the USA…" Here is the full quote from context "I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe." I don’t condone any political violence I don’t condone gun violence… period! I hope this lowers the temperature on some of the rhetoric that is used, I fear the opposite will happen…. | |||
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"I don’t care where you stand politically, left / right upside down. A 31 year old man, has been murdered in broad daylight. A 31 year old man, who was also a father, husband and a son to somebody. Again, POLITICAL VIEWS ASIDE. Can we now officially take the far left off their self righteous alter of kindness they preach down from. "Isn't that a contradiction? | |||
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"‘Charlie Kirk claims gun deaths are 'worth it' to protect second amendment’ … I wonder, really just wonder if there was a way of massively slashing gun violence in the USA…" Do what Mexico did and ban private gun ownership. Worked really well for them. | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort " The Gifford case was a paranoid schizophrenic, JFK was half a century ago, the Minnesota gunman worked alongside Hoffman previously....none are comparable to the Trump and Kirk shooting which are entirely ideologically driven by the left. | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views." None. It’s seems only Dem supporters resort to shooting political opponents. | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. None. It’s seems only Dem supporters resort to shooting political opponents. " It certainly feels that way. I grew up with a very liberal American stepfather and believed Republicans were bad and the Dems were the peace loving friends of the little people....how wrong I was. Having spent some time in the US, as well as having friends who've run presidential campaigns (only also rans, none of the big names) I've seen how foolish I was! | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment." [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 " He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 " What have I posted that is divisive? As far as I'm aware I've posted facts about the shootings of some Dem politicians, and pointed out that Mexico banned private gun ownership and it hasn't been an overwhelming success.... | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians " I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you?" You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love " I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. | |||
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"In the UK we just throw people in Jail who have an opinion. Free speech is dead pretty much everywhere. I’m so glad I’m 66 in December and nearly dead. Living this fucked up world can’t come soon enough. " Says you’re 55? lol | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way." Sure you do. I'm British | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British "Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley..... | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British "You said the word “love” to be fair, you’re already qualified being British just saying that 🤣 👍 | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British
Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley....."Another middle aged man that doesn't know what lyrics are, what a shock! Focus on taking pics of your young gf make sure she has a stuffed toys in it. | |||
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"In the UK we just throw people in Jail who have an opinion. Free speech is dead pretty much everywhere. I’m so glad I’m 66 in December and nearly dead. Living this fucked up world can’t come soon enough. " Oh I don't know. I've never stuck my head in the politics section before and it seems there's plenty of potential to wind people up  | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British
Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley.....
Another middle aged man that doesn't know what lyrics are, what a shock! Focus on taking pics of your young gf make sure she has a stuffed toys in it. "👏 👏 🤣 🤣 | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British
Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley.....
Another middle aged man that doesn't know what lyrics are, what a shock! Focus on taking pics of your young gf make sure she has a stuffed toys in it.
👏 👏 🤣 🤣 "I can't believe I am even giving my time to a man like that, it's actually quite sickening 🤮🤢 | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British
Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley.....
Another middle aged man that doesn't know what lyrics are, what a shock! Focus on taking pics of your young gf make sure she has a stuffed toys in it. "Ah, you see, I focus on being a success and having actually owned a Bentley rather than paying attention to some crappy song lyrics that I assume are meant to be inspirational. Still, if that's what inspires you and pushes you to succeed, more power to you. So you've engaged trying to suggest I have no link to America, then when I've told you otherwise you've thrown your toys out the pram and called me a sicko..... maybe the politics section isn't for you... | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British
Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley.....
Another middle aged man that doesn't know what lyrics are, what a shock! Focus on taking pics of your young gf make sure she has a stuffed toys in it.
Ah, you see, I focus on being a success and having actually owned a Bentley rather than paying attention to some crappy song lyrics that I assume are meant to be inspirational. Still, if that's what inspires you and pushes you to succeed, more power to you.
So you've engaged trying to suggest I have no link to America, then when I've told you otherwise you've thrown your toys out the pram and called me a sicko..... maybe the politics section isn't for you..."You did that first by bringing up something that was irrelevant to the topic aka the lyrics on my profile. Some of like fun and music, this is a sex site not suck off American politicians mate. I hope you find what you are so desperately looking for...maybe you should take another trip to another foreign country this time | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance " What kind of a world do we live in, with comments like this. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance " I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around | |||
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" A sad sign of how divided society is at the moment. [OP then proceeds to post divisive shit] 😅 He's not even American. I find it hilarious how hard British people ride for American politicians I grew up with an American stepfather and spent a few years living out there.....how about you? You spent a few years. You do not currently live there, you can't vote there. You are not American love I have dual citizenship sweetie thanks to my mother marrying my stepfather when I was young....you didn't answer my question by the way. Sure you do. I'm British
Why would I lie about that? It's hardly implying I own a Bentley.....
Another middle aged man that doesn't know what lyrics are, what a shock! Focus on taking pics of your young gf make sure she has a stuffed toys in it.
Ah, you see, I focus on being a success and having actually owned a Bentley rather than paying attention to some crappy song lyrics that I assume are meant to be inspirational. Still, if that's what inspires you and pushes you to succeed, more power to you.
So you've engaged trying to suggest I have no link to America, then when I've told you otherwise you've thrown your toys out the pram and called me a sicko..... maybe the politics section isn't for you...
You did that first by bringing up something that was irrelevant to the topic aka the lyrics on my profile. Some of like fun and music, this is a sex site not suck off American politicians mate. I hope you find what you are so desperately looking for...maybe you should take another trip to another foreign country this time "I travel extensively....and, I quite like music so I'll check out the lyrics and give it a listen. Heading to bed soon, and one should never end the day with negativity, so apologies if I pissed you off... I enjoy shitposting and debating a little too much.I'm sure you'd hate me in real life, but a virtual olive branch and I'll say good night. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around " The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. " People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance " Good riddance? Well, good thing the shooter had the right to buy the gun he used? Seems people do need the right to bare arms against political opponents? For saying stuff you don’t like? | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc" Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? " You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying " If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"?" Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? " I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. Okay this is the problem with you guys, if you're gonna ride for someone at least accept them for who they were but no let's all lie and pretend they weren't a pos! "Non pretending on my part. Can you provide anything to back up your assertions about Charlie? Anything racist like when Hilary characterised black males as super predators perhaps? Or misogynistic like when Bill got blowjobs of interns in the Oval Office? | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. Okay this is the problem with you guys, if you're gonna ride for someone at least accept them for who they were but no let's all lie and pretend they weren't a pos!
Non pretending on my part. Can you provide anything to back up your assertions about Charlie?
Anything racist like when Hilary characterised black males as super predators perhaps? Or misogynistic like when Bill got blowjobs of interns in the Oval Office? "You can't send links on here. You can just you know Google....what the fuck has hilary and bill got to do with this? Are they my parents bringing them up like they mean something to me like what 🤣 | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. Okay this is the problem with you guys, if you're gonna ride for someone at least accept them for who they were but no let's all lie and pretend they weren't a pos!
Non pretending on my part. Can you provide anything to back up your assertions about Charlie?
Anything racist like when Hilary characterised black males as super predators perhaps? Or misogynistic like when Bill got blowjobs of interns in the Oval Office?
You can't send links on here. You can just you know Google....what the fuck has hilary and bill got to do with this? Are they my parents bringing them up like they mean something to me like what 🤣"Just well know examples to to give you some idea of what might evidence your baseless claims. So you send us a message telling us we are ugly racists and block us. You are tragic | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? " He was a man who challenged thinking, his whole premise was prove me wrong. Doing so, he often exposed progressives as ideological and weak in critical thinking. He never claimed his arguments were absolute, and he was open to debate. Reducing that to “racist and misogynist” is lazy. If every challenge to progressive ideas is met with those accusations, it shuts down debate and becomes the same as you claim to oppose. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. Okay this is the problem with you guys, if you're gonna ride for someone at least accept them for who they were but no let's all lie and pretend they weren't a pos!
Non pretending on my part. Can you provide anything to back up your assertions about Charlie?
Anything racist like when Hilary characterised black males as super predators perhaps? Or misogynistic like when Bill got blowjobs of interns in the Oval Office?
You can't send links on here. You can just you know Google....what the fuck has hilary and bill got to do with this? Are they my parents bringing them up like they mean something to me like what 🤣
Just well know examples to to give you some idea of what might evidence your baseless claims.
So you send us a message telling us we are ugly racists and block us. You are tragic "You sent me a message attached with a photo mate? I am telling you what you are. You're absolutely mental if you think you have a chance with me 🤣 | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. " Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. Okay this is the problem with you guys, if you're gonna ride for someone at least accept them for who they were but no let's all lie and pretend they weren't a pos!
Non pretending on my part. Can you provide anything to back up your assertions about Charlie?
Anything racist like when Hilary characterised black males as super predators perhaps? Or misogynistic like when Bill got blowjobs of interns in the Oval Office?
You can't send links on here. You can just you know Google....what the fuck has hilary and bill got to do with this? Are they my parents bringing them up like they mean something to me like what 🤣
Just well know examples to to give you some idea of what might evidence your baseless claims.
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You sent me a message attached with a photo mate? I am telling you what you are. You're absolutely mental if you think you have a chance with me 🤣"Your just mental | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. " You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. | |||
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"Imagine sending me a photo, trying it on with me and then making it out like I sent you an abusive message first! The audacity! The nerve! " We sent you a message ages ago!!! The message you sent was just now!! You joker!! | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. " It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" | |||
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"Imagine sending me a photo, trying it on with me and then making it out like I sent you an abusive message first! The audacity! The nerve! We sent you a message ages ago!!! The message you sent was just now!! You joker!! Whatever helps you sleep at night 😴 You are offensive to me, please don't respond " Ok hun x | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" " I never once said I condone it, I was simply pointing out his character and how I and some people can struggle to feel sorry for a man who quoted exactly this "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational" - Charlie Kirk | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort The Gifford case was a paranoid schizophrenic, JFK was half a century ago, the Minnesota gunman worked alongside Hoffman previously....none are comparable to the Trump and Kirk shooting which are entirely ideologically driven by the left." Strange then that the guy who wounded Trump was a registered republican and had a social media account filled with antisemitic / anti-imigration and espoused politically motivated violence then Oh and mental health problems as well | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort The Gifford case was a paranoid schizophrenic, JFK was half a century ago, the Minnesota gunman worked alongside Hoffman previously....none are comparable to the Trump and Kirk shooting which are entirely ideologically driven by the left. Strange then that the guy who wounded Trump was a registered republican and had a social media account filled with antisemitic / anti-imigration and espoused politically motivated violence then Oh and mental health problems as well " Yes, and even more interesting is that previous to becoming a registered republican, he donated to democrats! | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort The Gifford case was a paranoid schizophrenic, JFK was half a century ago, the Minnesota gunman worked alongside Hoffman previously....none are comparable to the Trump and Kirk shooting which are entirely ideologically driven by the left. Strange then that the guy who wounded Trump was a registered republican and had a social media account filled with antisemitic / anti-imigration and espoused politically motivated violence then Oh and mental health problems as well Yes, and even more interesting is that previous to becoming a registered republican, he donated to democrats! " Well, that's a hell of a 180 he pulled then wasn't it? Is that what some posters term as "progressives"? Democrat to republican to would be assassin? And why the anti semitic/ immigration filled posts?, very much republican in his outlook by the time he pulled the trigger but who knows lol | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" I never once said I condone it, I was simply pointing out his character and how I and some people can struggle to feel sorry for a man who quoted exactly this "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational" - Charlie Kirk " That quote doesn't not explain how he is a racist. I can back my claim that there are mourning black/ ethic minority republicans like; Chandler crump Xaviaer DuRousseau Sage Steele Dom Lucre Kash Patel Jeffery Mead Wesley Hunt Terrance Williams Derrico Henrio Winsome Sears Ben Carson Candace Owens Im definitely not pro-guns and I can comprehend it. Using that quote from Charlie to justify your reasoning is like comparing apples and pears. What happened today was blant terrorism and not gun laws, the coward who murdered someone's father/husband/friend would use any weapon to incite terror. | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" I never once said I condone it, I was simply pointing out his character and how I and some people can struggle to feel sorry for a man who quoted exactly this "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational" - Charlie Kirk That quote doesn't not explain how he is a racist. I can back my claim that there are mourning black/ ethic minority republicans like; Chandler crump Xaviaer DuRousseau Sage Steele Dom Lucre Kash Patel Jeffery Mead Wesley Hunt Terrance Williams Derrico Henrio Winsome Sears Ben Carson Candace Owens Im definitely not pro-guns and I can comprehend it. Using that quote from Charlie to justify your reasoning is like comparing apples and pears. What happened today was blant terrorism and not gun laws, the coward who murdered someone's father/husband/friend would use any weapon to incite terror. " Here are some quotes by Charlie "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" - Charlie Kirk "We made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights bill in the 1960s" Do you want me to go on? | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/09/25 02:31:51]" Did you watch his explanation? He said because they aren't hiring on merit anymore but ticking DEI boxes. He said he wouldn't of thought that before because he would assume that a pilot was qualified regardless of their skin colour but now with DEI they are lowering standards to hit their targets and you are basically drawing attention to skin colour rather then talent. Why should a black pilot, who has made it to the standard be judged on his skin colour rather then his skill? It's demeaning. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/09/25 02:31:51] Did you watch his explanation? He said because they aren't hiring on merit anymore but ticking DEI boxes. He said he wouldn't of thought that before because he would assume that a pilot was qualified regardless of their skin colour but now with DEI they are lowering standards to hit their targets and you are basically drawing attention to skin colour rather then talent. Why should a black pilot, who has made it to the standard be judged on his skin colour rather then his skill? It's demeaning. " I did watch it actually, and his reasoning was stupid as fuck. Do you think they hire anyone to fly a plane? A PLANE? his statement was racist and I really don't expect you to understand why and how it is because at the end of the day you are not a minority. | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 11/09/25 02:31:51] Did you watch his explanation? He said because they aren't hiring on merit anymore but ticking DEI boxes. He said he wouldn't of thought that before because he would assume that a pilot was qualified regardless of their skin colour but now with DEI they are lowering standards to hit their targets and you are basically drawing attention to skin colour rather then talent. Why should a black pilot, who has made it to the standard be judged on his skin colour rather then his skill? It's demeaning. I did watch it actually, and his reasoning was stupid as fuck. Do you think they hire anyone to fly a plane? A PLANE? his statement was racist and I really don't expect you to understand why and how it is because at the end of the day you are not a minority." How do you know I'm not? How do you know that my origins aren't from Iran before the Revolution? | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" I never once said I condone it, I was simply pointing out his character and how I and some people can struggle to feel sorry for a man who quoted exactly this "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational" - Charlie Kirk That quote doesn't not explain how he is a racist. I can back my claim that there are mourning black/ ethic minority republicans like; Chandler crump Xaviaer DuRousseau Sage Steele Dom Lucre Kash Patel Jeffery Mead Wesley Hunt Terrance Williams Derrico Henrio Winsome Sears Ben Carson Candace Owens Im definitely not pro-guns and I can comprehend it. Using that quote from Charlie to justify your reasoning is like comparing apples and pears. What happened today was blant terrorism and not gun laws, the coward who murdered someone's father/husband/friend would use any weapon to incite terror. Here are some quotes by Charlie "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" - Charlie Kirk "We made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights bill in the 1960s" Do you want me to go on? Ive only just watched the pilot one and justified how it was taken out of context. The civil rights one I will have to find but as I said I've only known about him for 8 hours and he has come across like a decent debater who is quick to explain his ideas without violence and discrimination. Unlike Charlie, I've not done endless research but I suggest you actually watch his videos that haven't been taken out of context. He was a big advocate for turnpoint and usas young black leadership, encouraging young black people into politics. " You have known his for 8 hours, and you are defending him like you have watched his videos, interviews for years like some of us? He spreaded hate and it's as simple as that. I have watched countless videos of him debating with people, giving out interviews. I don't know why you sent me a list of minorities sending their condolences, and you keep mentioning black people for some reason? I'm not black, I said he was racist and he was racist to all POC. It's very strange how defensive you are. It's very telling | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" I never once said I condone it, I was simply pointing out his character and how I and some people can struggle to feel sorry for a man who quoted exactly this "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational" - Charlie Kirk That quote doesn't not explain how he is a racist. I can back my claim that there are mourning black/ ethic minority republicans like; Chandler crump Xaviaer DuRousseau Sage Steele Dom Lucre Kash Patel Jeffery Mead Wesley Hunt Terrance Williams Derrico Henrio Winsome Sears Ben Carson Candace Owens Im definitely not pro-guns and I can comprehend it. Using that quote from Charlie to justify your reasoning is like comparing apples and pears. What happened today was blant terrorism and not gun laws, the coward who murdered someone's father/husband/friend would use any weapon to incite terror. Here are some quotes by Charlie "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" - Charlie Kirk "We made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights bill in the 1960s" Do you want me to go on? Ive only just watched the pilot one and justified how it was taken out of context. The civil rights one I will have to find but as I said I've only known about him for 8 hours and he has come across like a decent debater who is quick to explain his ideas without violence and discrimination. Unlike Charlie, I've not done endless research but I suggest you actually watch his videos that haven't been taken out of context. He was a big advocate for turnpoint and usas young black leadership, encouraging young black people into politics. You have known his for 8 hours, and you are defending him like you have watched his videos, interviews for years like some of us? He spreaded hate and it's as simple as that. I have watched countless videos of him debating with people, giving out interviews. I don't know why you sent me a list of minorities sending their condolences, and you keep mentioning black people for some reason? I'm not black, I said he was racist and he was racist to all POC. It's very strange how defensive you are. It's very telling "Typical, throwing that race card, the left all do when they got fuck all to come back with. You know fuck all about me or my ethnic make up. | |||
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"Hard to feel sorry for a man like that. Same man who was for gun rights, said he'd let his 10 year daughter carry to term if she were assaulted, said a certain demographic is to blame for the violence in the USA only for him to be shot by a white man. said the genocide in gaza was deserved. I cannot sympathise with a man like that. He was hateful fascist. Oh that's ironic, hateful and fascist do you say? Yet, he was killed through violence because the terrorist obviously doesn't believe in being democratic or liberal and wants to suppress anyone with opposing views. I didn't know who he was until today and after watching several videos, he was very good at debating with those of a different opinion. He actually talked instead of screaming the loudest (which seems to be the way people communicate their beliefs nowadays). Though I probably don't agree with half of his views, I think it is a great loss for someone who the ability to debate as well as him. Watching his comebacks/reasoning with a cool demeanor, there was something rather unique about him. You didn't know who he was until today but a few videos has made you believe that he was unique? Is this how we are describing awful people now? My god, this site is actually swarmed with people who turn a blind eye to clear bigotry and racism. It is possible to have an opinion on someone after watching several videos. You don't even know the meaning of those words, otherwise maybe you can give some clear examples of what he said and why it makes him that. There are many black conservatives mourning the loss, the people not mourning are the extreme left who like to mislabel everyone who doesn't agree with them, it's like they are "Nazis" I never once said I condone it, I was simply pointing out his character and how I and some people can struggle to feel sorry for a man who quoted exactly this "I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational" - Charlie Kirk That quote doesn't not explain how he is a racist. I can back my claim that there are mourning black/ ethic minority republicans like; Chandler crump Xaviaer DuRousseau Sage Steele Dom Lucre Kash Patel Jeffery Mead Wesley Hunt Terrance Williams Derrico Henrio Winsome Sears Ben Carson Candace Owens Im definitely not pro-guns and I can comprehend it. Using that quote from Charlie to justify your reasoning is like comparing apples and pears. What happened today was blant terrorism and not gun laws, the coward who murdered someone's father/husband/friend would use any weapon to incite terror. Here are some quotes by Charlie "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" - Charlie Kirk "We made a huge mistake when we passed the civil rights bill in the 1960s" Do you want me to go on? Ive only just watched the pilot one and justified how it was taken out of context. The civil rights one I will have to find but as I said I've only known about him for 8 hours and he has come across like a decent debater who is quick to explain his ideas without violence and discrimination. Unlike Charlie, I've not done endless research but I suggest you actually watch his videos that haven't been taken out of context. He was a big advocate for turnpoint and usas young black leadership, encouraging young black people into politics. You have known his for 8 hours, and you are defending him like you have watched his videos, interviews for years like some of us? He spreaded hate and it's as simple as that. I have watched countless videos of him debating with people, giving out interviews. I don't know why you sent me a list of minorities sending their condolences, and you keep mentioning black people for some reason? I'm not black, I said he was racist and he was racist to all POC. It's very strange how defensive you are. It's very telling
Typical, throwing that race card, the left all do when they got fuck all to come back with. You know fuck all about me or my ethnic make up. "Yeah, that just told me everything I already knew. Bore off please and find some other racist to latch on to and cry about to someone else. | |||
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"He literally said people dying was worth the second amendment. Good riddance I'm convinced these people would defend Hitler if he was around The problem is, anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. Leaves very little room for debate or for differing perspectives if the end game is a life being taken for a difference of opinion. People love to say it's differing perspectives/opinion, let's call it what it really is? Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc Disagreeing with a progressive is "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Is that what you are saying? You said "anyone who doesn't agree with the progressives is now being compared to Hitler, a fascist and / or a racist. " I wonder what kind of people they must be to be compared to such a person or be called a racist? Let's not play dumb, you're old enough to know what I am saying If you can't answer a question clearly I feel you are probably not sincere. Do you consider challenge to progressive views to be "Blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia etc"? Depends on how it's done? Depends on context? You can provide different opinions without crossing a line but we are currently discussing a man that was racist and misogynistic? I thought we discussing Charlie Kirk. He was neither a racist nor a misogynist. " lol, girl!!!!! He’s most definitely both. | |||
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"The Left needs to temper its rhetoric of course but I’m not hopeful. Only two days ago we have McDonnell talking about Reform as being “proto-fascists”, calling for a “popular front”, “intellectual and physical resistance”, and “mobilisation”. For most people this language of violence is just the ranting of an extremist kook but I’ve no doubt there is a small minority of unhinged nut jobs who take McDonnell seriously. Particularly concerning given the prior physical attacks on Farage. There is a strong vein of moral superiority running through modern Leftist thought and rhetoric. They don’t just think they’ve arrived at a different place to others due to experience, upbringing, education, analysis etc but they seriously believe they are morally superior. From there, and twinned with natural Leftist authoritarianism, if you are slightly unhinged, it’s not that great a leap to feel you are doing society some good by “putting down” people who disagree with you. Good at least to see that MSNBC has fired one of its political commentators for saying that Kirk brought this on himself. Hopefully many of those rejoicing at Kirk’s death on social media will get exposed and fired from their jobs. There needs to be zero tolerance for people rejoicing at political murder. The MSM in the UK and US has been giving far too much time to dim witted Leftist extremism and race baiting. " We agree with you | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic." I've seen more sympathy for this man than kids that are killed during school shootings. What a world we live in. We've been seeing videos of kids in gaza all year long but this is where we draw the line. I know what all these people are and I am glad they have revealed themselves. | |||
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"Let's reflect on that for a while, instead. " Here's a cold question: Why? We don't care about the thousands of other daily murder victims. This guy meant nothing to most people, other than as a character on social media, not a human being. It's what he represents that makes him relevant to us, not who he is as a human. | |||
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"The Left needs to temper its rhetoric of course but I’m not hopeful. Only two days ago we have McDonnell talking about Reform as being “proto-fascists”, calling for a “popular front”, “intellectual and physical resistance”, and “mobilisation”. For most people this language of violence is just the ranting of an extremist kook but I’ve no doubt there is a small minority of unhinged nut jobs who take McDonnell seriously. Particularly concerning given the prior physical attacks on Farage. There is a strong vein of moral superiority running through modern Leftist thought and rhetoric. They don’t just think they’ve arrived at a different place to others due to experience, upbringing, education, analysis etc but they seriously believe they are morally superior. From there, and twinned with natural Leftist authoritarianism, if you are slightly unhinged, it’s not that great a leap to feel you are doing society some good by “putting down” people who disagree with you. Good at least to see that MSNBC has fired one of its political commentators for saying that Kirk brought this on himself. Hopefully many of those rejoicing at Kirk’s death on social media will get exposed and fired from their jobs. There needs to be zero tolerance for people rejoicing at political murder. The MSM in the UK and US has been giving far too much time to dim witted Leftist extremism and race baiting. " Why only tell half the story? What about ‘right wing nut jobs’ eh or doesn’t it suit your political slant? Ku Klux Klan. Church bombings. Assassination of Martin Luther King. Waco. Oklahoma City bombing. The slurs against Obama. Anders Breivik. Charleston Church shooting. Trump banning Muslims. Charlottesville car ramming. Tree of Life synagogue shooting. Christchurch shootings. US Capitol riots. | |||
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"Let's reflect on that for a while, instead. Here's a cold question: Why? We don't care about the thousands of other daily murder victims. This guy meant nothing to most people, other than as a character on social media, not a human being. It's what he represents that makes him relevant to us, not who he is as a human." Any loss of life is a loss. Public figures get more media attention, but I would be sad for anyone who has lost a loved one. I didn't know the met officer who, at 23, completed su1cide, but I felt for his family. The asylum seekers who drowned the other day, didn't know them, they mean nothing to me in that sense, but I was saddened by their loss of life. Compassion doesn't have to be limited to those we know, or high profile media figures. | |||
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"Assassination of political opponents has no place in a democracy. That said, this guy was the architect of his own demise by opposing gun controls." Fully agree with your first point, all physical attacks upon all politicians whomever they are has no place whatsoever in a democracy.. Not sure I can agree on him being the architect of his own demise because it's not yet established if that was the 'reason' the shooter had in mind.. Kirk had many strong opinions which others didn't agree with apart from gun control.. On that as you've highlighted it I also think and here's my quandary as I'm opposed to the current mess that is gun 'control' and how easy it is to get military grade assault weapons etc.. But I also think that Kirk was within his rights particularly as an American citizen under the constitution that allows the current situation to fully speak in support of the 2nd amendment.. He wasn't a gun toting tooled up person presenting a 'try and take them away' persona .. I don't agree with him on it and other opinions but his right to say it should be protected and defended as should those opposing the views he held because if that goes, it's carnage.. | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic." No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. | |||
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" Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others." Sorry, what??????? Can you elaborate, please? | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others." We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic. | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic." No, it’s not. If he advocated for the right to shoot people you disagree with… and got shot by someone who disagreed with him THAT would be ironic. As I said , the irony here is liberals who pick up guns when someone disagrees with their anti gun opinions. | |||
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"Nobody yet knows why or the motive. 200m single shot to the neck, gunman long gone and no reports of the shooters location has been identified, unlikely an amateur. " Unlikely a second amendment supporter, conservative or sane. He missed the centre of mass, nearly missed the target entirely. Not a professional. Anyone who knows the distances snipers head shot targets from will know this. 1000m is a difficult shot but not beyond a professional. Nearly missing at 200 screams amateur | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic. No, it’s not. If he advocated for the right to shoot people you disagree with… and got shot by someone who disagreed with him THAT would be ironic. As I said , the irony here is liberals who pick up guns when someone disagrees with their anti gun opinions. " I think it’s ironic this guy wanted guns available to pretty much any adult American who wants one & then was killed by one of these guns. I’m far from the only one holding this view so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Again: we don’t know the motive yet, yet you have seemingly already decided what it was. If it is a liberal who was against Kirk’s gun views & that was the sole reason for Kirk’s assassination then yes that would also be ironic. | |||
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" Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. Sorry, what??????? Can you elaborate, please? Sure. What part confused you?" Lowering the bar for some races and not others. What does that mean? Which races have the bar lowered? | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic. No, it’s not. If he advocated for the right to shoot people you disagree with… and got shot by someone who disagreed with him THAT would be ironic. As I said , the irony here is liberals who pick up guns when someone disagrees with their anti gun opinions. I think it’s ironic this guy wanted guns available to pretty much any adult American who wants one & then was killed by one of these guns. I’m far from the only one holding this view so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Again: we don’t know the motive yet, yet you have seemingly already decided what it was. If it is a liberal who was against Kirk’s gun views & that was the sole reason for Kirk’s assassination then yes that would also be ironic." What else is there? That this person killed Charlie because he agreed with him?!!  | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic. No, it’s not. If he advocated for the right to shoot people you disagree with… and got shot by someone who disagreed with him THAT would be ironic. As I said , the irony here is liberals who pick up guns when someone disagrees with their anti gun opinions. I think it’s ironic this guy wanted guns available to pretty much any adult American who wants one & then was killed by one of these guns. I’m far from the only one holding this view so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Again: we don’t know the motive yet, yet you have seemingly already decided what it was. If it is a liberal who was against Kirk’s gun views & that was the sole reason for Kirk’s assassination then yes that would also be ironic. What else is there? That this person killed Charlie because he agreed with him?!! "Could be a personal grudge? 🤷 | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic. No, it’s not. If he advocated for the right to shoot people you disagree with… and got shot by someone who disagreed with him THAT would be ironic. As I said , the irony here is liberals who pick up guns when someone disagrees with their anti gun opinions. I think it’s ironic this guy wanted guns available to pretty much any adult American who wants one & then was killed by one of these guns. I’m far from the only one holding this view so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Again: we don’t know the motive yet, yet you have seemingly already decided what it was. If it is a liberal who was against Kirk’s gun views & that was the sole reason for Kirk’s assassination then yes that would also be ironic. What else is there? That this person killed Charlie because he agreed with him?!! "Kirk espoused numerous controversial views & not just surrounding gun control. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against." So you think they're getting so e random black guy off the street to play pilot to fill a quota? It's insane the amount of right-wing throbbers that misunderstand DEI isn't about hiring different races, but it's to ensure other races become qualified enough to get into those positions so the "oh I hope he's qualified" is such a moot fucking point. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against." The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? | |||
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"For years now, in the US we have school shooting after school shooting we've basically been told "oh well, nothing can be done, thoughts and prayers", when countless kids are murdered. Yet over this shooting there's seemingly been more of an outpouring of grief from the right wing over this man than all those kids put together. A man who has been pretty steadfast in his support of all this I might add. So the fact he copped one in the neck...whilst debating gun violence...is more than a little ironic. No, ironic would be shooting someone because you disagree with gun ownership. Racism is lowering the bar for achievement for some races and not others. We don’t know the reason he was shot at this point, yes the point I was making referred to the irony of his gun views. However we actually don’t know yet if that was the motive of the murderer so to use a certain phrase you are jumping the gun. And of course it’s ironic regardless. How could a man defending the right for all Americans to own guns, whilst accepting the fact there will be deaths involved then receiving a fatal bullet himself not be ironic? Of course it’s ironic. No, it’s not. If he advocated for the right to shoot people you disagree with… and got shot by someone who disagreed with him THAT would be ironic. As I said , the irony here is liberals who pick up guns when someone disagrees with their anti gun opinions. I think it’s ironic this guy wanted guns available to pretty much any adult American who wants one & then was killed by one of these guns. I’m far from the only one holding this view so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Again: we don’t know the motive yet, yet you have seemingly already decided what it was. If it is a liberal who was against Kirk’s gun views & that was the sole reason for Kirk’s assassination then yes that would also be ironic. What else is there? That this person killed Charlie because he agreed with him?!!
Could be a personal grudge?
🤷"Yes, seems likely, based on Charlie’s outspoken Christian, conservative, right leaning views. Someone clearly on the other side of the debates… someone on the left, a liberal or a socialist since Charlie opposed those political positions and became famous for dismantling their delusions on YT. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand?" I am comparing the quota system that DEI promotes in the Western countries against the same quota system that has been existing in India for years. The idea is the same and the results are also the same. | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort " paul pelosi | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand?" Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right? | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? I am comparing the quota system that DEI promotes in the Western countries against the same quota system that has been existing in India for years. The idea is the same and the results are also the same." What quota system? | |||
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"I agree violence has no place in politics. But do MAGA subscribe to that view? Trump, Scalesi and now Kirk. Remind me which Dem politicians or spokespersons have been shot because of their political views. Congressperson Gabby Gifford of Arizona A sitting president John Fitzgerald Kennedy (you might of heard of him) 2 Minnesota State congresspeople literally about a month ago!! 200 yards away say sniper of some sort paul pelosi" After her husband was attacked by a guy with a hammer Trump said “We’ll stand up to crazy Nancy Pelosi, who ruined San Francisco — how’s her husband doing, anybody know? And she’s against building a wall at our border, even though she has a wall around her house — which obviously didn’t do a very good job.” Amazing how right wingers moan about the tolerant left (& yes, I agree, elements of the militant left are completely risible) whilst ignoring their own lot? It’s a cliche but true: hard left & hard right are two cheeks of the same ar$e. The right also gloat when this happens. Mike Lee, a US senator, joked when democratic politicians were killed in Minnesota a couple of months ago. They gloated when someone tried to kill Pelosi, and if this was a prominent LGBTQ person they wouldn't have given a single solitary sh*t. In the UK when Jo Cox was murdered it was being called a "false flag by remainers" So don't come on here taking the moral high ground, the right vacated that years ago. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right? "
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
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Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
How would you expect this to be resolved? "You could call it a moral dilemma. Thrash it out in your own conscious mind. Maybe debate with others about it. And actually, I posed the question, who do you employ? I'm inviting others to provide their views. | |||
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"Saw it as breaking news last night and been watching the news this morning as well as social media posts. From what I've seen my takeaway is this: One shot, from a building 100 yards away with a scary level of accuracy. It is not just some random, whoever it was, was well trained as well as focused and patient. There are some people celebrating the event. That is just plain wrong. It does not matter if a person is on the left or the right, an attack like this is nothing more than an attack on free speech. To quote Charlie, Change my mind. " Nonsense. Shots are aimed at centre of mass by professionals. They don’t nick or graze the targets neck. They either hit the chest or head above the nose and from much greater distances. Military snipe at 1000m plus routinely. 200m and almost missing is teenager in back garden with air rifle level. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
How would you expect this to be resolved?
You could call it a moral dilemma. Thrash it out in your own conscious mind. Maybe debate with others about it.
And actually, I posed the question, who do you employ? I'm inviting others to provide their views. "It is not a moral dilemma, it is a matter of making a choice based on the experience of the hiring manager, who has the task of building and managing the team. This is the same type of question that people throw out as a gotcha on autonomous cars. There is a motorbike and a mother with a baby crossing the road. The car is going to crash, what does the car decide to crash into. The reality is the system is designed to avoid the crash altogether, not decide who deserves to live. The same with your hypothetical, you don’t pick by race or identity, you make the best choice to strengthen the team. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
How would you expect this to be resolved?
You could call it a moral dilemma. Thrash it out in your own conscious mind. Maybe debate with others about it.
And actually, I posed the question, who do you employ? I'm inviting others to provide their views.
It is not a moral dilemma, it is a matter of making a choice based on the experience of the hiring manager, who has the task of building and managing the team. This is the same type of question that people throw out as a gotcha on autonomous cars. There is a motorbike and a mother with a baby crossing the road. The car is going to crash, what does the car decide to crash into. The reality is the system is designed to avoid the crash altogether, not decide who deserves to live.
The same with your hypothetical, you don’t pick by race or identity, you make the best choice to strengthen the team. "I didn't say it WAS a moral dilemma | |||
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" I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. So you think they're getting so e random black guy off the street to play pilot to fill a quota? " Never said so. But it does bias the hiring process. " It's insane the amount of right-wing throbbers that misunderstand DEI isn't about hiring different races, but it's to ensure other races become qualified enough to get into those positions so the "oh I hope he's qualified" is such a moot fucking point." It is about hiring different races. "Diversity hiring goals" and "Diversity targets" have been a thing for long. If not, what do you think the Harvard case was about? Why did American companies get rid of these targets after Trump came to power? https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/05/google-dei-trump https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgmy7xpw3pyo | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
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"A certain number of people are killed in accidents caused by emergency vehicle rushing emergencies. We don’t abolish the fire brigade. We accept that some lives lost in these accidents is worth it because far more lives are saved by the fire brigade. A simple concept. What’s hard to grasp? Guns in the hands of a tiny number of school shooters or anti conservatives is outweighed by the lives saved by guns in the hands of countless law enforcement and responsible law abiding citizens. " Utter bollocks. Look at the murder rate in the US and tell me more people are saved by guns. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
How would you expect this to be resolved?
You could call it a moral dilemma. Thrash it out in your own conscious mind. Maybe debate with others about it.
And actually, I posed the question, who do you employ? I'm inviting others to provide their views.
It is not a moral dilemma, it is a matter of making a choice based on the experience of the hiring manager, who has the task of building and managing the team. This is the same type of question that people throw out as a gotcha on autonomous cars. There is a motorbike and a mother with a baby crossing the road. The car is going to crash, what does the car decide to crash into. The reality is the system is designed to avoid the crash altogether, not decide who deserves to live.
The same with your hypothetical, you don’t pick by race or identity, you make the best choice to strengthen the team.
I didn't say it WAS a moral dilemma "Kirk challenged the semantics, and what if's, he asked people to change his mind. And that is the problem, the echo chambers wont allow people to change their minds no matter how wrong they are, they will be told they are correct. DEI became an echo chamber, and is now being dismantled in many places. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
"Two candidates being EXACTLY as qualified as the other is about as likely as two unrelated people looking identical. There is always a difference however slight, and a winner, however close the call, however unfortunate for the loser and inconvenient for ideologues. | |||
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" Two candidates being EXACTLY as qualified as the other is about as likely as two unrelated people looking identical. There is always a difference however slight, and a winner, however close the call, however unfortunate for the loser and inconvenient for ideologues. "
I have been taking interviews for over a decade in my field. I have never come across two candidates who have EXACTLY the same level of qualifications and interview performance. There is always some differentiating factor that makes one person more suitable for a job than the other. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? Maybe just abolish any annd all employment or opportunity directives regarding race, diversity and inclusion? It’s racist to treat any applicant different because of his race, right? Just hire the most qualified right?
Precisely.
But, if you have two candidates equally qualified for the job. One posseses a protected characteristic under the Equalities Act, and the other doesn't - who do you employ?
Both have the relevant qualifications. Both have ideal experience for the role. Both have interviewed very well. Both have impeccable references.
How would you expect this to be resolved?
You could call it a moral dilemma. Thrash it out in your own conscious mind. Maybe debate with others about it.
And actually, I posed the question, who do you employ? I'm inviting others to provide their views.
It is not a moral dilemma, it is a matter of making a choice based on the experience of the hiring manager, who has the task of building and managing the team. This is the same type of question that people throw out as a gotcha on autonomous cars. There is a motorbike and a mother with a baby crossing the road. The car is going to crash, what does the car decide to crash into. The reality is the system is designed to avoid the crash altogether, not decide who deserves to live.
The same with your hypothetical, you don’t pick by race or identity, you make the best choice to strengthen the team.
I didn't say it WAS a moral dilemma
Kirk challenged the semantics, and what if's, he asked people to change his mind. And that is the problem, the echo chambers wont allow people to change their minds no matter how wrong they are, they will be told they are correct.
DEI became an echo chamber, and is now being dismantled in many places."And exactly the same could be said of those on the right, in regards to echo chambers.q | |||
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"A certain number of people are killed in accidents caused by emergency vehicle rushing emergencies. We don’t abolish the fire brigade. We accept that some lives lost in these accidents is worth it because far more lives are saved by the fire brigade. A simple concept. What’s hard to grasp? Guns in the hands of a tiny number of school shooters or anti conservatives is outweighed by the lives saved by guns in the hands of countless law enforcement and responsible law abiding citizens. Utter bollocks. Look at the murder rate in the US and tell me more people are saved by guns. " What’s bollocks is bringing up murders that weren’t committed with legally held firearms (the murderer get caught otherwise as registered guns are traceable) in support of removing legally held and registered guns from society. | |||
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"Saw it as breaking news last night and been watching the news this morning as well as social media posts. From what I've seen my takeaway is this: One shot, from a building 100 yards away with a scary level of accuracy. It is not just some random, whoever it was, was well trained as well as focused and patient. There are some people celebrating the event. That is just plain wrong. It does not matter if a person is on the left or the right, an attack like this is nothing more than an attack on free speech. To quote Charlie, Change my mind. Nonsense. Shots are aimed at centre of mass by professionals. They don’t nick or graze the targets neck. They either hit the chest or head above the nose and from much greater distances. Military snipe at 1000m plus routinely. 200m and almost missing is teenager in back garden with air rifle level. " That did not nick or graze the neck. His body shut down almost immediately. It hit some pretty important parts of his body. Might not be military trained but certainly very proficient. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? I am comparing the quota system that DEI promotes in the Western countries against the same quota system that has been existing in India for years. The idea is the same and the results are also the same. What quota system? Diversity hiring targets" What are those exactly? | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? I am comparing the quota system that DEI promotes in the Western countries against the same quota system that has been existing in India for years. The idea is the same and the results are also the same. What quota system? Diversity hiring targets What are those exactly? " Targets set by companies to their recruiters to meet some "diversity goals" which pushes recruiters to be biased in favour of "diversity candidates". It happened in some universities too. You can look up the Harvard case where the US supreme court passed a judgement that this is illegal. | |||
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"In January 2024, Kirk blamed DEI programs for national aviation issues, saying, "If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'" But no, he wasn’t racist. I don't see how you can call that racism. It's more of a critique on hiring quotas promoted by DEI. India has quotas based on caste for public sector jobs and universities. All it has done is that if someone from a lower caste gets into a public sector job or a good university, even the other lower caste people assume that he got in because of the quota and not because of capabilities. And anyone from the forward caste who gets into these are lauded because they got the job/university placement in spite of the odds being stacked against them due to quota. I have seen similar dynamics in the Western companies I have worked for, where DEI is a thing. Even minorities hate that. The whole thing exists just to satisfy some patronising left wingers who want to play saviour narrative to protect the minorities. And ironically, it only perpetuates the very thing that the left wingers claim to fight against. The USA does not have India’s caste system though does it? You aren’t comparing Apples with Apples. When black pilots start crashing planes at a disproportionate % to good ol’ whitey pilots, maybe THAT is the time to question pilots ethnicity instead of needlessly stirring the pot beforehand? I am comparing the quota system that DEI promotes in the Western countries against the same quota system that has been existing in India for years. The idea is the same and the results are also the same. What quota system? Diversity hiring targets What are those exactly? Targets set by companies to their recruiters to meet some "diversity goals" which pushes recruiters to be biased in favour of "diversity candidates". It happened in some universities too. You can look up the Harvard case where the US supreme court passed a judgement that this is illegal." And any cases in the UK? Positive discrimination is not allowed in the UK. We have positive action. They are different. Have you ever wondered that at one point in your life you may have been considered as a 'DEI hire'? Just a thought! | |||
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