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By *deepdive OP   Man
37 weeks ago

Canterbury and France (26)

Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

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By *agan_PairCouple
37 weeks ago

portchester

I think end of the day it’s endemic of today’s tribalism enabled by social media, you look online and there’s far left or there’s far right. And no matter your view no matter if you do not fit with the ideals of either they will brand you the other. Far right and far left no longer have any real meaning. And all conversations will come down to some form of name calling way before any compromise or empathy for the others view will.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
37 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?"

Interesting that your headline is “politically motivated hatred” and then your post is full of biased politically motivated hatred.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about it and title it……?

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By (user no longer on site)
37 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?"

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

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By (user no longer on site)
37 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

"

An irony here. Your point about leftist labels is fair, yet you go on to trot out the trope "blaming all my woes on brown people". That's exactly the nonsense label pinned on anybody who dare complain about illegal immigration.

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By (user no longer on site)
37 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

An irony here. Your point about leftist labels is fair, yet you go on to trot out the trope "blaming all my woes on brown people". That's exactly the nonsense label pinned on anybody who dare complain about illegal immigration."

Not really, just people like the chap that said he doesn't like the number of non-white people in Leicester. And that kind of ilk.

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By *deepdive OP   Man
37 weeks ago

Canterbury and France (26)


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

Interesting that your headline is “politically motivated hatred” and then your post is full of biased politically motivated hatred.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about it and title it……?"

By all means, start a new thread.

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By *deepdive OP   Man
37 weeks ago

Canterbury and France (26)

According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

Here are the key reasons why UK society appears to be becoming less tolerant:

1. Economic Stagnation and Austerity

The 2008 financial crisis was a watershed moment. The subsequent decade of austerity policies led to:

· Shrinking Public Services: Cuts to libraries, youth centres, community programmes, and social care eroded the communal spaces where people from different backgrounds traditionally met and built understanding.

· Stagnant Wages and Precarious Work: For many, especially outside London and the Southeast, economic prospects have not improved for years. When people feel financially insecure and that the system isn't working for them, they look for someone to blame. Immigrants, "the elite," or "benefit scroungers" often become convenient scapegoats, fuelled by certain media narratives.

· A Growing Generational Divide: Younger people face soaring housing costs, student debt, and less job security than their parents' generation. This creates a sense of intergenerational injustice and resentment.

2. The Political and Media Landscape

· The Brexit Referendum: The 2016 vote was arguably the single biggest catalyst for recent polarization. It wasn't just a policy decision; it was a deeply divisive cultural event that split families, friends, and communities along new lines of "Leave" and "Remain." The campaign was characterised by oversimplified, emotive arguments and, at times, misinformation. The aftermath entrenched these divisions, making politics feel like a binary, high-stakes tribal conflict.

· The Rise of Populism: Populist rhetoric, from both the right and left, thrives on creating an "us vs. them" dynamic. This could be "the people vs. the elite," "real Brits vs. outsiders," or "the woke vs. the silent majority." This framing is inherently intolerant of nuance and compromise.

· Certain Sections of the Media: Some newspapers and online outlets have long pursued a strategy of highlighting cultural conflicts (e.g., around immigration, gender, "wokeness") because it drives engagement and sales. This constant focus on perceived threats and divisions can make society feel more fractured and hostile than it might be in daily life.

3. The Digital Ecosystem (Social Media)

This is arguably the most powerful accelerant of intolerance.

· Algorithmic Amplification: Social media platforms are designed to maximise engagement. Algorithms quickly learn that outrage, fear, and anger keep people clicking and commenting. This means extreme and divisive content is promoted over calm, nuanced discussion.

· Echo Chambers and Filter Bubbles: People are increasingly siloed into online communities where their existing views are reinforced and rarely challenged. Within these bubbles, moderate voices are drowned out, and extreme positions become normalized. You're either in the camp or you're the enemy.

· Anonymity and Disinhibition: The anonymity of online interaction allows people to express vicious opinions they would never say face-to-face. This coarsens public discourse and makes violent rhetoric seem more acceptable.

4. Cultural and Demographic Changes

· Rapid Social Change: Issues like changing attitudes towards gender identity, sexuality, and racial equality are progressing rapidly. For some, this feels like a positive march towards justice. For others, it can feel like a disorienting and threatening upheaval of traditional values and norms. This "culture war" dynamic is a key battleground for intolerance.

· Globalisation and Immigration: The UK, particularly England, has become visibly more multicultural in a relatively short time. While many celebrate this diversity, for others it can feel unsettling and trigger a desire to reassert a more monolithic (and sometimes mythologised) national identity.

5. A Crisis of Trust and Shared Narrative

· Decline in Traditional Authority: Trust in once-respected institutions—politicians, the police, the mainstream media, academics—has plummeted due to scandals and perceived failures. When people don't know who to trust, they often retreat to their tribe or gravitate towards strongman figures who offer simple, if false, answers.

· Loss of a Unifying Story: It's harder to find a shared national story that everyone can buy into. Debates over history (e.g., the legacy of the British Empire), monuments, and national identity mean there's less common ground to build upon.

Why the Outspoken and Violent Far-Right?

The factors above create fertile ground for far-right movements. They offer:

· Simple Answers: Complex problems are blamed on a single, identifiable group (immigrants, Muslims, "globalists").

· A Sense of Belonging: For those feeling left behind and alienated, these groups offer a powerful community and a clear identity.

· Permission to be Angry: They validate and channel economic and cultural resentment into political action, which can sometimes spill over into intimidation and violence, feeling justified to its perpetrators.

Is it All Doom and Gloom?

No. It's crucial to maintain perspective.

· The "Silent Majority": The most extreme voices are often the loudest, but they may not represent the majority. Many people remain tolerant and moderate but feel alienated from the noisy public square.

· Pushback: There is a strong counter-movement advocating for tolerance, community-building, and fact-based discourse.

· Historical Context: Periods of intense social anxiety and polarization are not new. The UK has faced profound divisions before (e.g., the Miners' Strikes, the Irish Troubles) and found a way through.

In summary, the decline in tolerance is not an inevitable natural law but the result of a perfect storm: economic anxiety creating fear, political and media strategies exploiting that fear, social media algorithms amplifying the resulting anger, and rapid cultural change creating disorientation. Rebuilding tolerance requires addressing these root causes, not just condemning their symptoms.

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By *ostindreamsMan
37 weeks ago

London


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

An irony here. Your point about leftist labels is fair, yet you go on to trot out the trope "blaming all my woes on brown people". That's exactly the nonsense label pinned on anybody who dare complain about illegal immigration.

Not really, just people like the chap that said he doesn't like the number of non-white people in Leicester. And that kind of ilk."

I have also seen individuals say everything that the left is blamed for. So it must be ok to blame all of left for that right?

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By *othin 2 proveCouple
37 weeks ago

Blackpool


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect. I use to post regulary on the forums but we have not been on for a while and removed our pics. Anyway 3,4 years ago when I posted stuff I didnt get alot of support from the right but would be bombarded by the left. How things are changing.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?"

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By *ostindreamsMan
37 weeks ago

London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

"

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

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By *arry and MegsCouple
37 weeks ago

Ipswich


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

Interesting that your headline is “politically motivated hatred” and then your post is full of biased politically motivated hatred.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about it and title it……?"

The poster asked a question

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
37 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

Interesting that your headline is “politically motivated hatred” and then your post is full of biased politically motivated hatred.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about it and title it……?

The poster asked a question"

And made statements with political bias. The thread they started was about political bias. I was purely pointing out the irony.

If you think that breaks the forum rules then report my post.

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By *ex MexicoMan
37 weeks ago

North West


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions."

Are you serious?

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By (user no longer on site)
37 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

An irony here. Your point about leftist labels is fair, yet you go on to trot out the trope "blaming all my woes on brown people". That's exactly the nonsense label pinned on anybody who dare complain about illegal immigration.

Not really, just people like the chap that said he doesn't like the number of non-white people in Leicester. And that kind of ilk."

Fair enough, but why tar everybody with the same brush?

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By (user no longer on site)
37 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

An irony here. Your point about leftist labels is fair, yet you go on to trot out the trope "blaming all my woes on brown people". That's exactly the nonsense label pinned on anybody who dare complain about illegal immigration.

Not really, just people like the chap that said he doesn't like the number of non-white people in Leicester. And that kind of ilk.

Fair enough, but why tar everybody with the same brush?"

That wasn't my intention. It was more about what gets you labelled as an extreme leftist on Fab politics forum, and it bearing little to no resemblance of what it means to be left wing in the real world.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
37 weeks ago

Border of London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions."

AI Slop, indeed.

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By (user no longer on site)
37 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

The way "left" or "leftist" is used on fab is completely different to what actual left wing is.

Here I've been called "loony left", "extreme far left", "socialist", "Marxist", "Stalinist" etc etc. Simply for taking time to learn about climate change, or knowing something about how the EU works, for not being enthusiastic about the mass slaughter of men, women and children, or for not blaming all my woes on brown people, or people in boats.

An irony here. Your point about leftist labels is fair, yet you go on to trot out the trope "blaming all my woes on brown people". That's exactly the nonsense label pinned on anybody who dare complain about illegal immigration.

Not really, just people like the chap that said he doesn't like the number of non-white people in Leicester. And that kind of ilk.

Fair enough, but why tar everybody with the same brush?"

As a further example, I just got told "I hope you don't have children" for simply not being racist.

What can you do?

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By *arry and MegsCouple
37 weeks ago

Ipswich


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

Interesting that your headline is “politically motivated hatred” and then your post is full of biased politically motivated hatred.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about it and title it……?

The poster asked a question

And made statements with political bias. The thread they started was about political bias. I was purely pointing out the irony.

If you think that breaks the forum rules then report my post.

"

Ah, got it.

He's not allowed an opinion

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
37 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

Interesting that your headline is “politically motivated hatred” and then your post is full of biased politically motivated hatred.

Perhaps we should start a new thread about it and title it……?

The poster asked a question

And made statements with political bias. The thread they started was about political bias. I was purely pointing out the irony.

If you think that breaks the forum rules then report my post.

Ah, got it.

He's not allowed an opinion "

Have I said that?

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By *ostindreamsMan
37 weeks ago

London

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By *ostindreamsMan
37 weeks ago

London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?"

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
37 weeks ago

West Suffolk

AI has also been shown to have learnt to lie. Didn’t take it long.

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By *ex MexicoMan
37 weeks ago

North West


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view."

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works.

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By *ex MexicoMan
37 weeks ago

North West


"AI has also been shown to have learnt to lie. Didn’t take it long. "

How long did it take you?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
37 weeks ago

Border of London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works."

A little while ago, we posted a comparison of two answers to the same* question posed to AI. They opposed each other.

*a minor change in wording caused these wildly different answers. With AI, you can usually find what you're looking for, if your ask in the right way.

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By *ex MexicoMan
37 weeks ago

North West


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works.

A little while ago, we posted a comparison of two answers to the same* question posed to AI. They opposed each other.

*a minor change in wording caused these wildly different answers. With AI, you can usually find what you're looking for, if your ask in the right way."

That may be true, but it's not because of that nonsense he said about how many articles from whichever side somebody shows Chat GPT.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
37 weeks ago

Border of London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works.

A little while ago, we posted a comparison of two answers to the same* question posed to AI. They opposed each other.

*a minor change in wording caused these wildly different answers. With AI, you can usually find what you're looking for, if your ask in the right way.

That may be true, but it's not because of that nonsense he said about how many articles from whichever side somebody shows Chat GPT."

From Gemini. New chat, all prompts included:

Explain how AI LLM training works in simple terms (high school level) summarised into one paragraph:

Training a Large Language Model (LLM) is like teaching a computer to master a massive-scale "predict the next word" game. 🧠 The AI is fed a giant library of text from the internet, and its only job is to guess the next word in a sequence. For instance, given "The cat sat on the...", it tries to predict "mat". Initially, its guesses are random, but every time it gets a word wrong, it's shown the correct answer and slightly adjusts its billions of internal connections—think of them like tiny knobs—to make a better guess in a similar situation next time. By repeating this simple prediction-and-correction cycle trillions of times, the model doesn't just memorize sentences; it learns the deep patterns of grammar, facts, reasoning, and writing styles, which allows it to generate coherent and human-like text.

Explain whether there is, and the impact of, any bias in training data, specifically in terms of political leaning. Summarise into one paragraph, pitched at high school level:

Yes, there is significant political bias in the training data for AI models, and it has a major impact. Since AI language models learn from vast amounts of text from the internet—which includes news articles, social media, and academic papers—they inevitably absorb the political leanings present in that data. Current research shows that most major LLMs exhibit a left-leaning bias (favoring views similar to Democratic parties in the US or Labour in the UK), likely because the data they are trained on reflects a dominant academic and media consensus. The impact of this is that the AI can unintentionally shape public opinion by presenting information with a subtle slant, reinforcing users' existing beliefs (creating "echo chambers"), and even influencing political discourse by describing political figures or policies with either more positive or negative sentiment. This can erode trust and deepen societal polarization, as the AI's answers may appear objective and neutral even when they are not.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
37 weeks ago

Border of London


"

From Gemini. New chat, all prompts included:

"

And Grok (new chat, same prompts as above - it looks like it's been tampered with to take the question personally, hence the follow up...):

All AI models, including me (Grok, built by xAI), are trained on huge amounts of data from the internet, books, and other sources created by humans, so some biases can sneak in because people have their own opinions and viewpoints. Specifically for political leaning, my training data includes a wide mix of perspectives from across the spectrum—left, right, and everything in between—but xAI designed me to aim for maximum truth-seeking and neutrality, avoiding strong leans toward any one side like some other AIs that might favor liberal views. The impact of any remaining bias could mean I sometimes reflect common online trends, like over-representing popular opinions, which might make answers feel skewed on hot-button issues; however, this is minimized to help users get balanced, honest info without pushing agendas, making me more reliable for fair discussions.

How about other LLMs?

Many large language models (LLMs), like ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude, are trained on vast datasets from the internet, books, and social media, which often contain human biases, including political leanings. Research shows that most LLMs tend to exhibit a left-leaning bias, favoring progressive or liberal views on topics like social reform, climate, and government intervention, possibly due to the prevalence of such perspectives in online data or fine-tuning processes. For example, studies like one from MIT in 2024 found that even models trained on "truthful" datasets showed this bias, especially in larger models, though it varies by topic (e.g., weaker on taxes). This can impact how LLMs present information, potentially amplifying certain viewpoints and influencing users’ perceptions, especially in areas like education or public discourse. Efforts to reduce bias include diversifying training data and regular audits, but complete neutrality remains tough since human-created data inherently carries opinions.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
37 weeks ago

Border of London


"

That may be true, but it's not because of that nonsense he said about how many articles from whichever side somebody shows Chat GPT."

So... Are the LLMs lying, or are they biased?

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By *ostindreamsMan
37 weeks ago

London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works."

Maybe you can articulate a better argument? LLM's are practically deep learning models that are capable of being trained from large sets of data. Their ability to answer questions eventually comes from what they have learned from the set of data. You feed them different set of data and use different fine tuning variables and you will get vastly different outputs for the same question.

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By *deepdive OP   Man
37 weeks ago

Canterbury and France (26)


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works.

Maybe you can articulate a better argument? LLM's are practically deep learning models that are capable of being trained from large sets of data. Their ability to answer questions eventually comes from what they have learned from the set of data. You feed them different set of data and use different fine tuning variables and you will get vastly different outputs for the same question."

All very well but I must point out that I didn't ever say or pretend that what I shared was anything other than what an AI application had answered to the question I also shared.

I didn't really expect the thread to then morph into a discussion about the value, truth, training etc. of AI engines but only used the example I shared to shed some light on possible causes for the politically motivated hatred that appears to be the vogue at the moment - especially on here.

The response from the AI engine appears to cover quite a few arguments, all of which cannot be wrong or politically biased.

Perhaps we can return to the actual post and use what the AI engine suggested as one possible response.

In reality it is no different from a response from a politically biased response from an individual on here be it right or left wing.

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By *ostindreamsMan
37 weeks ago

London


"According to AI (when I asked the question about the shift in tolerance in the UK)..

I have to stop you here. I use AI for work and it's not even close to answering these type of questions.

Are you serious?

Yes, where do you think AI learns things from? Some news articles that it reads. If it reads too much of guardian, it will tell you guardian's view. If it reads too much of daily mail, it will give you a different view.

That's a laughable oversimplification of how AI learning works.

Maybe you can articulate a better argument? LLM's are practically deep learning models that are capable of being trained from large sets of data. Their ability to answer questions eventually comes from what they have learned from the set of data. You feed them different set of data and use different fine tuning variables and you will get vastly different outputs for the same question.

All very well but I must point out that I didn't ever say or pretend that what I shared was anything other than what an AI application had answered to the question I also shared.

I didn't really expect the thread to then morph into a discussion about the value, truth, training etc. of AI engines but only used the example I shared to shed some light on possible causes for the politically motivated hatred that appears to be the vogue at the moment - especially on here.

The response from the AI engine appears to cover quite a few arguments, all of which cannot be wrong or politically biased.

Perhaps we can return to the actual post and use what the AI engine suggested as one possible response.

In reality it is no different from a response from a politically biased response from an individual on here be it right or left wing."

As long as people are aware that the AI answers can be biased, all good

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
Forum Mod
37 weeks ago

Central

I think it reflects online interaction, which has become more toxic as well as greater toxicity around a lot of political engagement and hostility that has been stirred up for some years.

People seem intent on trying to prove others wrong, rather than engaging respectfully, it's too often trying to have others losem it's sad.

It's against what Fab and swinging is about. The forum should be upbeat, which means that we have to make it so

Deny the shit stirrers their petty opportunistic attempts to have others lose. Walk away and take a deep breath.

Stay high and out of it. Most forum users don't come here because it's unpleasant, as too much of a standard.

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By *deepdive OP   Man
37 weeks ago

Canterbury and France (26)


"I think it reflects online interaction, which has become more toxic as well as greater toxicity around a lot of political engagement and hostility that has been stirred up for some years.

People seem intent on trying to prove others wrong, rather than engaging respectfully, it's too often trying to have others losem it's sad.

It's against what Fab and swinging is about. The forum should be upbeat, which means that we have to make it so

Deny the shit stirrers their petty opportunistic attempts to have others lose. Walk away and take a deep breath.

Stay high and out of it. Most forum users don't come here because it's unpleasant, as too much of a standard. "

Well said !

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By *hagTonightMan
37 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.

I have also noticed that from the left here, especially if you support israel.

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By *deepdive OP   Man
37 weeks ago

Canterbury and France (26)


"I have also noticed that from the left here, especially if you support israel."

Left or Right - what does it matter?

Let's try to be objective and courteous rather than trying to gain points at the expense of others.

A reasoned discussion is surely more persuasive than a personal attack!

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
37 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"AI has also been shown to have learnt to lie. Didn’t take it long.

How long did it take you?"

🤣 grow up lass, you’re making yourself look silly

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
37 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"I think it reflects online interaction, which has become more toxic as well as greater toxicity around a lot of political engagement and hostility that has been stirred up for some years.

People seem intent on trying to prove others wrong, rather than engaging respectfully, it's too often trying to have others losem it's sad.

It's against what Fab and swinging is about. The forum should be upbeat, which means that we have to make it so

Deny the shit stirrers their petty opportunistic attempts to have others lose. Walk away and take a deep breath.

Stay high and out of it. Most forum users don't come here because it's unpleasant, as too much of a standard. "

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them.

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By *ex MexicoMan
37 weeks ago

North West


"

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them. "

You're one of the last self-aware forum users I've ever come across.

A quick glance at the politics forum shows you start between one-third and half on the threads on there, usually to bang on about immigration paranoia or to rant about some perceived threat to civil liberties that turns out to not be real.

A huge amount of your contributions contain a pre-emptive swipe at "the left", usually based on an exaggeration or outright misrepresentation of the opinions or actions of people you disagree with, and obviously designed to provoke anger and frustration.

You're not open to dissenting views, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias and hypocrisy and you consistently show bad faith in your interactions with basically everyone. Even in the above, you're accusing those who challenge you of deliberately skirting forum rules to get at you.

So maybe don't make out like the problem is how to control your hurt feelings when people are mean to you.

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By *ex MexicoMan
37 weeks ago

North West

That should read "least self-aware".

Those bloody lefties conspired to make me do a typo.

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By *roadShoulderzMan
36 weeks ago

Petersfield


"That should read "least self-aware".

Those bloody lefties conspired to make me do a typo."

Despite the typo, your post is an excellent summary of the attitude of this poster towards those who oppose their views. And by spending so much of their time dominating the forum's threads, they drive many more pragmatic posters away. The result predictably is the forum becomes an echo chamber of extreme views, often policed by these extreme forum vigilantes.

The consequences of free speech, but those in the echo chamber then mistakenly start believing that the rest of society think the same as they do, which is at odds with reality.

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By * wheel drive tractorMan
36 weeks ago

North Lonsdon


"I think it reflects online interaction, which has become more toxic as well as greater toxicity around a lot of political engagement and hostility that has been stirred up for some years.

People seem intent on trying to prove others wrong, rather than engaging respectfully, it's too often trying to have others losem it's sad.

It's against what Fab and swinging is about. The forum should be upbeat, which means that we have to make it so

Deny the shit stirrers their petty opportunistic attempts to have others lose. Walk away and take a deep breath.

Stay high and out of it. Most forum users don't come here because it's unpleasant, as too much of a standard.

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them. "
. Well said. The voice of common sense. It is a pity that more posters are not as realistic as you.

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By *ex MexicoMan
36 weeks ago

North West


"I think it reflects online interaction, which has become more toxic as well as greater toxicity around a lot of political engagement and hostility that has been stirred up for some years.

People seem intent on trying to prove others wrong, rather than engaging respectfully, it's too often trying to have others losem it's sad.

It's against what Fab and swinging is about. The forum should be upbeat, which means that we have to make it so

Deny the shit stirrers their petty opportunistic attempts to have others lose. Walk away and take a deep breath.

Stay high and out of it. Most forum users don't come here because it's unpleasant, as too much of a standard.

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them. . Well said. The voice of common sense. It is a pity that more posters are not as realistic as you. "

... this is a guy who was just a couple of days ago sharing a completely bogus news story about a militant Muslim group that doesn't even exist.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them.

You're one of the last self-aware forum users I've ever come across.

A quick glance at the politics forum shows you start between one-third and half on the threads on there, usually to bang on about immigration paranoia or to rant about some perceived threat to civil liberties that turns out to not be real.

A huge amount of your contributions contain a pre-emptive swipe at "the left", usually based on an exaggeration or outright misrepresentation of the opinions or actions of people you disagree with, and obviously designed to provoke anger and frustration.

You're not open to dissenting views, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias and hypocrisy and you consistently show bad faith in your interactions with basically everyone. Even in the above, you're accusing those who challenge you of deliberately skirting forum rules to get at you.

So maybe don't make out like the problem is how to control your hurt feelings when people are mean to you."

My thoughts exactly, I do not post on here as much as I did as I think this part of the forum is giving voice to right or far right thinking.

This is due to objections from the left or far left.

I would like to see the left or far left leave the other side to it, when there is no one to object then there cannot be disagreement.

Leave them to it.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"I think it reflects online interaction, which has become more toxic as well as greater toxicity around a lot of political engagement and hostility that has been stirred up for some years.

People seem intent on trying to prove others wrong, rather than engaging respectfully, it's too often trying to have others losem it's sad.

It's against what Fab and swinging is about. The forum should be upbeat, which means that we have to make it so

Deny the shit stirrers their petty opportunistic attempts to have others lose. Walk away and take a deep breath.

Stay high and out of it. Most forum users don't come here because it's unpleasant, as too much of a standard.

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them. . Well said. The voice of common sense. It is a pity that more posters are not as realistic as you.

... this is a guy who was just a couple of days ago sharing a completely bogus news story about a militant Muslim group that doesn't even exist."

One couldn't make it up hypocrisy at its finest.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them.

You're one of the last self-aware forum users I've ever come across.

A quick glance at the politics forum shows you start between one-third and half on the threads on there, usually to bang on about immigration paranoia or to rant about some perceived threat to civil liberties that turns out to not be real.

A huge amount of your contributions contain a pre-emptive swipe at "the left", usually based on an exaggeration or outright misrepresentation of the opinions or actions of people you disagree with, and obviously designed to provoke anger and frustration.

You're not open to dissenting views, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias and hypocrisy and you consistently show bad faith in your interactions with basically everyone. Even in the above, you're accusing those who challenge you of deliberately skirting forum rules to get at you.

So maybe don't make out like the problem is how to control your hurt feelings when people are mean to you.

My thoughts exactly, I do not post on here as much as I did as I think this part of the forum is giving voice to right or far right thinking.

This is due to objections from the left or far left.

I would like to see the left or far left leave the other side to it, when there is no one to object then there cannot be disagreement.

Leave them to it."

A genuine politics section would be good.

Then leave this as a "bashing the left" part of the forums.

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By *ex MexicoMan
36 weeks ago

North West


"

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them.

You're one of the last self-aware forum users I've ever come across.

A quick glance at the politics forum shows you start between one-third and half on the threads on there, usually to bang on about immigration paranoia or to rant about some perceived threat to civil liberties that turns out to not be real.

A huge amount of your contributions contain a pre-emptive swipe at "the left", usually based on an exaggeration or outright misrepresentation of the opinions or actions of people you disagree with, and obviously designed to provoke anger and frustration.

You're not open to dissenting views, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias and hypocrisy and you consistently show bad faith in your interactions with basically everyone. Even in the above, you're accusing those who challenge you of deliberately skirting forum rules to get at you.

So maybe don't make out like the problem is how to control your hurt feelings when people are mean to you.

My thoughts exactly, I do not post on here as much as I did as I think this part of the forum is giving voice to right or far right thinking.

This is due to objections from the left or far left.

I would like to see the left or far left leave the other side to it, when there is no one to object then there cannot be disagreement.

Leave them to it."

I see your point, but I don't believe it's right to leave this stuff unchallenged, if only so the undecided observer doesn't conclude that the right's view is the only opinion going.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?"

They can't get over loosing an election, so here they are screaming about problems that don't exist and the ones that do are always, ALWAYS the fault of brown people in dinghy's.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

They can't get over loosing an election, so here they are screaming about problems that don't exist and the ones that do are always, ALWAYS the fault of brown people in dinghy's.

"

It’s “dinghies”.

And “losing” not “loosing”.

You could use a spell checker. People might take you more seriously.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?

They can't get over loosing an election, so here they are screaming about problems that don't exist and the ones that do are always, ALWAYS the fault of brown people in dinghy's.

It’s “dinghies”.

And “losing” not “loosing”.

You could use a spell checker. People might take you more seriously."

I see, so it's also spelling that gets you rattled, not ideas.

Possibly another fault the right are outraged because of pedancy

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them.

You're one of the last self-aware forum users I've ever come across.

A quick glance at the politics forum shows you start between one-third and half on the threads on there, usually to bang on about immigration paranoia or to rant about some perceived threat to civil liberties that turns out to not be real.

A huge amount of your contributions contain a pre-emptive swipe at "the left", usually based on an exaggeration or outright misrepresentation of the opinions or actions of people you disagree with, and obviously designed to provoke anger and frustration.

You're not open to dissenting views, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias and hypocrisy and you consistently show bad faith in your interactions with basically everyone. Even in the above, you're accusing those who challenge you of deliberately skirting forum rules to get at you.

So maybe don't make out like the problem is how to control your hurt feelings when people are mean to you.

My thoughts exactly, I do not post on here as much as I did as I think this part of the forum is giving voice to right or far right thinking.

This is due to objections from the left or far left.

I would like to see the left or far left leave the other side to it, when there is no one to object then there cannot be disagreement.

Leave them to it.

A genuine politics section would be good.

Then leave this as a "bashing the left" part of the forums."

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"

Best post I’ve read in a long time. I think ego gets in the way, especially when someone is trying to make out your lying, or even worse, stupid.

There usually isn’t a definitive right or wrong when it comes to politics, its opinions and forecasts of what might happen if a certain action is taken or not taken.

A post aimed at you and quoting you that starts “actually you’re wrong” or more commonly lately, inferences of racism, are hard to step back from. It seems sometimes the object is to see how far forum rules can be bent without breaking them.

You're one of the last self-aware forum users I've ever come across.

A quick glance at the politics forum shows you start between one-third and half on the threads on there, usually to bang on about immigration paranoia or to rant about some perceived threat to civil liberties that turns out to not be real.

A huge amount of your contributions contain a pre-emptive swipe at "the left", usually based on an exaggeration or outright misrepresentation of the opinions or actions of people you disagree with, and obviously designed to provoke anger and frustration.

You're not open to dissenting views, you accuse anyone who disagrees with you of bias and hypocrisy and you consistently show bad faith in your interactions with basically everyone. Even in the above, you're accusing those who challenge you of deliberately skirting forum rules to get at you.

So maybe don't make out like the problem is how to control your hurt feelings when people are mean to you.

My thoughts exactly, I do not post on here as much as I did as I think this part of the forum is giving voice to right or far right thinking.

This is due to objections from the left or far left.

I would like to see the left or far left leave the other side to it, when there is no one to object then there cannot be disagreement.

Leave them to it.

I see your point, but I don't believe it's right to leave this stuff unchallenged, if only so the undecided observer doesn't conclude that the right's view is the only opinion going."

I also see yours

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By *exyornotMan
36 weeks ago

halifax


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

Centre left my arse - far left

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?"

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"Looking at the majority of threads posted on here over the last few weeks, they may start with a discussion on a current topic but often simply turn into a personal slagging match with accusations that one person is Left wing and hasn't a clue or Right wing and is militant without any actual knowledge or intellect.

Centre left my arse - far left

The Left certainly seems to get a bashing in the majority of posts yet we have a centre to Left government in power so are the Right in minority and simply shout the loudest or are the Right now the majority and the Left, yesterday's news?"

If you post your comments outside of the square brackets with the word "quote" in, we can see which comment is yours.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

He seems a bit slow. Then every racist is

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