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"It seems over 1200 schools in Britain are involved in a project where kids as young as 5 are writing letters to adult asylum seekers. The letters it seems include Valentine’s Day cards https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/08/schoolchildren-five-write-valentine-cards-asylum-seekers/" You could not make it up, the educators need educating on cause and affect, every action has a reaction. | |||
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"It seems over 1200 schools in Britain are involved in a project where kids as young as 5 are writing letters to adult asylum seekers. The letters it seems include Valentine’s Day cards https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/08/schoolchildren-five-write-valentine-cards-asylum-seekers/ You could not make it up, the educators need educating on cause and affect, every action has a reaction." Yep. Kiddy fiddler gets a valentines card, or even just a friendship letter from a child that lives just a few miles away. If I need to fill in the blanks here you’re part of the problem | |||
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"Did you read the part where it said the letters and cards were anonymised? " Children as young as 5 are writing valentines cards to adults. Do you not see the issue. | |||
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"Did you read the part where it said the letters and cards were anonymised? Children as young as 5 are writing valentines cards to adults. Do you not see the issue." What I see is schools encouraging empathy towards people who have been displaced and travelled thousands of miles to a place of safety. The very purpose of Valentine cards is to be anonymous. Teachers have the safeguarding of their students at the forefront of any activity. Does anyone really believe that teachers would allow a child to sign off Veronica Smith, Age 6, Anytown Primary School, Anytown. No. What is the evidence that the asylum seekers even know which schools take part? Oh! I forgot. They've been published via Facebook by a person who claims to want to protect our women and children. Way to go. If any asylum seekers did have any ill intent (and that isn't a given), they'd surely know which schools to target now! | |||
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"Did you read the part where it said the letters and cards were anonymised? Children as young as 5 are writing valentines cards to adults. Do you not see the issue. What I see is schools encouraging empathy towards people who have been displaced and travelled thousands of miles to a place of safety. " Writing a valentine's card is probably the last idea any sane person would come up with to build empathy. If the teachers wanted to show empathy, they should write the valentine's card themselves. They shouldn't pushing their politics to the kids. | |||
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"Did you read the part where it said the letters and cards were anonymised? Children as young as 5 are writing valentines cards to adults. Do you not see the issue. What I see is schools encouraging empathy towards people who have been displaced and travelled thousands of miles to a place of safety. The very purpose of Valentine cards is to be anonymous. Teachers have the safeguarding of their students at the forefront of any activity. Does anyone really believe that teachers would allow a child to sign off Veronica Smith, Age 6, Anytown Primary School, Anytown. No. What is the evidence that the asylum seekers even know which schools take part? Oh! I forgot. They've been published via Facebook by a person who claims to want to protect our women and children. Way to go. If any asylum seekers did have any ill intent (and that isn't a given), they'd surely know which schools to target now! " Have you ever received or sent a valentines card as an adult to a child. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. " Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? " The Schools of Sanctuary website. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. " It would be nice to get confirmation, but I don't suppose anyone in the teaching field will stick their head above the parapet at the moment. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. " I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back." I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. It would be nice to get confirmation, but I don't suppose anyone in the teaching field will stick their head above the parapet at the moment. " Where on the website, I have looked at the process and I cant see anything that a school needs parent approval or involvement. I could have missed it amongst the requests for donations though. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. " Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed." Oh, maybe because someone has released the names of all the schools of sanctuary without any evidence to say that all the schools were involved in this activity, and it's likely that there will be repercussions, and the very thing the Schools of Sanctuary is trying to achieve will be severely undermined. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed. Oh, maybe because someone has released the names of all the schools of sanctuary without any evidence to say that all the schools were involved in this activity, and it's likely that there will be repercussions, and the very thing the Schools of Sanctuary is trying to achieve will be severely undermined. " Repercussions from whom.? | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed. Oh, maybe because someone has released the names of all the schools of sanctuary without any evidence to say that all the schools were involved in this activity, and it's likely that there will be repercussions, and the very thing the Schools of Sanctuary is trying to achieve will be severely undermined. Repercussions from whom.?" The people who follow the person who has disclosed the information on Facebook. I'm not going to name them. I'm sure the other posters here have enough wherewithal to find out for themselves. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed. Oh, maybe because someone has released the names of all the schools of sanctuary without any evidence to say that all the schools were involved in this activity, and it's likely that there will be repercussions, and the very thing the Schools of Sanctuary is trying to achieve will be severely undermined. Repercussions from whom.? The people who follow the person who has disclosed the information on Facebook. I'm not going to name them. I'm sure the other posters here have enough wherewithal to find out for themselves. " Whataboutism, so you are saying every person who follows the poster are going to do what exactly. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. " The website doesn't say anything about including parents. Where can I find that? | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. The website doesn't say anything about including parents. Where can I find that?" I've copied an pasted the text I found on their website in an earlier post. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed. Oh, maybe because someone has released the names of all the schools of sanctuary without any evidence to say that all the schools were involved in this activity, and it's likely that there will be repercussions, and the very thing the Schools of Sanctuary is trying to achieve will be severely undermined. Repercussions from whom.? The people who follow the person who has disclosed the information on Facebook. I'm not going to name them. I'm sure the other posters here have enough wherewithal to find out for themselves. Whataboutism, so you are saying every person who follows the poster are going to do what exactly." There's a protest already arranged. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. The website doesn't say anything about including parents. Where can I find that? I've copied an pasted the text I found on their website in an earlier post. " It is ambiguous, as far as I can tell it a head teacher and governors can decide to join, no requirement for parental approval. Happy to be corrected if you can find where it says it does. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. The website doesn't say anything about including parents. Where can I find that? I've copied an pasted the text I found on their website in an earlier post. It is ambiguous, as far as I can tell it a head teacher and governors can decide to join, no requirement for parental approval. Happy to be corrected if you can find where it says it does. " There is a page titled "How it works" and it has nothing about asking the parents. A school that wants to receive the award can do so by joining the programme. Nothing mentioned about asking the parents | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? The Schools of Sanctuary website. I'm sure they will repeat the empathetic gesture next February, and did the migrants send a card back. I have no idea - ask one of the schools who's name has been disclosed on Facebook. Why are you concerned that the schools have been disclosed. Oh, maybe because someone has released the names of all the schools of sanctuary without any evidence to say that all the schools were involved in this activity, and it's likely that there will be repercussions, and the very thing the Schools of Sanctuary is trying to achieve will be severely undermined. Repercussions from whom.? The people who follow the person who has disclosed the information on Facebook. I'm not going to name them. I'm sure the other posters here have enough wherewithal to find out for themselves. Whataboutism, so you are saying every person who follows the poster are going to do what exactly. There's a protest already arranged. " By enraged parents I hope. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either " People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus?" Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology"." Well many people believe that we are letting too many illegals in. Do you have a problem with teachers balancing the issue and teaching kids that perspective? | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Well many people believe that we are letting too many illegals in. Do you have a problem with teachers balancing the issue and teaching kids that perspective?" "Keep illegal migrants out" is not the opposite argument to "do nice things for people in need". Besides, I'm sure these kids hear plenty of anti-migrant rhetoric without their teachers needing to remind them to be afraid of foreigners. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Well many people believe that we are letting too many illegals in. Do you have a problem with teachers balancing the issue and teaching kids that perspective? "Keep illegal migrants out" is not the opposite argument to "do nice things for people in need". Besides, I'm sure these kids hear plenty of anti-migrant rhetoric without their teachers needing to remind them to be afraid of foreigners." So you basically think “education” = regurgitating your own political opinions. I think that’s actually called “brainwashing” and is the absolute antithesis of education. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Well many people believe that we are letting too many illegals in. Do you have a problem with teachers balancing the issue and teaching kids that perspective? "Keep illegal migrants out" is not the opposite argument to "do nice things for people in need". Besides, I'm sure these kids hear plenty of anti-migrant rhetoric without their teachers needing to remind them to be afraid of foreigners. So you basically think “education” = regurgitating your own political opinions. I think that’s actually called “brainwashing” and is the absolute antithesis of education." I'd love for you to break down the Rube Goldbergesque thought process that led from you reading what I wrote to drawing that ludicrous conclusion. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Well many people believe that we are letting too many illegals in. Do you have a problem with teachers balancing the issue and teaching kids that perspective? "Keep illegal migrants out" is not the opposite argument to "do nice things for people in need". Besides, I'm sure these kids hear plenty of anti-migrant rhetoric without their teachers needing to remind them to be afraid of foreigners. So you basically think “education” = regurgitating your own political opinions. I think that’s actually called “brainwashing” and is the absolute antithesis of education. I'd love for you to break down the Rube Goldbergesque thought process that led from you reading what I wrote to drawing that ludicrous conclusion." “The problem with Rory and people like him is that he has an IQ of 110 and thinks he has an IQ of 130”. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Well many people believe that we are letting too many illegals in. Do you have a problem with teachers balancing the issue and teaching kids that perspective? "Keep illegal migrants out" is not the opposite argument to "do nice things for people in need". Besides, I'm sure these kids hear plenty of anti-migrant rhetoric without their teachers needing to remind them to be afraid of foreigners. So you basically think “education” = regurgitating your own political opinions. I think that’s actually called “brainwashing” and is the absolute antithesis of education. I'd love for you to break down the Rube Goldbergesque thought process that led from you reading what I wrote to drawing that ludicrous conclusion. “The problem with Rory and people like him is that he has an IQ of 110 and thinks he has an IQ of 130”. " Yeah okay but hiLARious quotes aside, how did you get from what I said to that I think education should just be political brainwashing? | |||
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"Education in this country is leftist liberal brainwashing. As is the tv and other media. The wet LibLabCon supporters in here believe they can win an intellectual argument, using pc bullshit narratives. What they fail to understand, is that we are the majority, and there little daisychain picnic will be over forever. Reform UK - For ever!" No, you're right, absolutely nothing spine-chilling about Reform supporters. Nothing at all. | |||
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"Did you read the part where it said the letters and cards were anonymised? Children as young as 5 are writing valentines cards to adults. Do you not see the issue. What I see is schools encouraging empathy towards people who have been displaced and travelled thousands of miles to a place of safety. The very purpose of Valentine cards is to be anonymous. Teachers have the safeguarding of their students at the forefront of any activity. Does anyone really believe that teachers would allow a child to sign off Veronica Smith, Age 6, Anytown Primary School, Anytown. No. What is the evidence that the asylum seekers even know which schools take part? Oh! I forgot. They've been published via Facebook by a person who claims to want to protect our women and children. Way to go. If any asylum seekers did have any ill intent (and that isn't a given), they'd surely know which schools to target now! " You’re completely missing the point. They don’t need to find the child that wrote the love letter. Any child will do. They have been sent the signal that like back in their country of origin where there is no minimum age for sexual consent, children here too are fair game. And their teachers are organising it so it must be ok. | |||
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"it's ironic that those infected with the anti-foreigner right wing mind virus allow themselves to be groomed by a discredited newspaper that is owned by foreign powers who exercise control over its content." Interesting word to use "groomed". | |||
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" You’re completely missing the point. They don’t need to find the child that wrote the love letter. Any child will do. They have been sent the signal that like back in their country of origin where there is no minimum age for sexual consent, children here too are fair game. And their teachers are organising it so it must be ok. " Jesus Christ, that's a disgusting thing to say. | |||
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"While we're confident this story has been twisted and embellished somewhat it doesn't change that its wrong to encourage kids to interact with strangers. Remember folks, bring your own children up. Otherwise the state or someone else will." Writing an anonymous card of emotional support to be distributed among the needy is not the same thing as getting into an unmarked van on the promise of candy. As if that requires saying. | |||
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"Pretty evident from this forum that Leftists are desperate to brainwash children. Any Leftie who thinks it’s their job to brainwash kids with their political opinions isn’t fit to be a teacher. They should be: Sacked Struck off Banned from any future contact with any kids who aren’t their own, and probably only then under strict supervision by social services." Well, just as long as you don't overreact or anything. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology"." Asylum seekers aren't "by definition" needing help. Most of them payed a LOT of money to travel from France which is a safe country. Automatically assuming that they are poor souls in need of help is an imaginary story that the left tells themselves. It's a political ideology that they have no business forcing in to young children | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Asylum seekers aren't "by definition" needing help. Most of them payed a LOT of money to travel from France which is a safe country. Automatically assuming that they are poor souls in need of help is an imaginary story that the left tells themselves. It's a political ideology that they have no business forcing in to young children " Nah, you're right, we're far better off teaching kids to be selfish and afraid of foreigners. Seems to have worked wonders for you. | |||
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" You’re completely missing the point. They don’t need to find the child that wrote the love letter. Any child will do. They have been sent the signal that like back in their country of origin where there is no minimum age for sexual consent, children here too are fair game. And their teachers are organising it so it must be ok. Jesus Christ, that's a disgusting thing to say." No, that’s a disgusting thing to do. We feed them, house them in 4star hotels, free everything, and money on top and hundreds of them are working cash in hand. Why do they need valentines cards from children as well? Makes my skin crawl seeing people think this is normal. What’s next? | |||
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" You’re completely missing the point. They don’t need to find the child that wrote the love letter. Any child will do. They have been sent the signal that like back in their country of origin where there is no minimum age for sexual consent, children here too are fair game. And their teachers are organising it so it must be ok. Jesus Christ, that's a disgusting thing to say. No, that’s a disgusting thing to do. We feed them, house them in 4star hotels, free everything, and money on top and hundreds of them are working cash in hand. Why do they need valentines cards from children as well? Makes my skin crawl seeing people think this is normal. What’s next? " I'm gonna guess... You saying more racist stuff. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Asylum seekers aren't "by definition" needing help. Most of them payed a LOT of money to travel from France which is a safe country. Automatically assuming that they are poor souls in need of help is an imaginary story that the left tells themselves. It's a political ideology that they have no business forcing in to young children Nah, you're right, we're far better off teaching kids to be selfish and afraid of foreigners. Seems to have worked wonders for you." Did I ever say that? The problem with the left has always been this - Every person has to be on one extreme or the other. You should go out of your way to support something. If not, you are the entire opposite of that. They don't even realise that there are lots of people who just don't give a fuck. They would rather have their kids not be involved in either side of this. This kind of fanaticism of the left is why it lost all its support. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. I really wonder about the level of a mind that thinks of teaching kids about charity by arranging for them to make a nice gesture towards people who by definition have nothing and need help, as "political ideology". Asylum seekers aren't "by definition" needing help. Most of them payed a LOT of money to travel from France which is a safe country. Automatically assuming that they are poor souls in need of help is an imaginary story that the left tells themselves. It's a political ideology that they have no business forcing in to young children Nah, you're right, we're far better off teaching kids to be selfish and afraid of foreigners. Seems to have worked wonders for you. Did I ever say that? The problem with the left has always been this - Every person has to be on one extreme or the other. You should go out of your way to support something. If not, you are the entire opposite of that. They don't even realise that there are lots of people who just don't give a fuck. They would rather have their kids not be involved in either side of this. This kind of fanaticism of the left is why it lost all its support." Nah, the reason this "Left" you despise so much is currently suffering a lack of popularity is because all the people who "don't give a fuck" as you put it are easily swayed by the generalised anti-Left media messaging by the same people who convinced you that most asylum seekers don't need any help. | |||
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"It seems over 1200 schools in Britain are involved in a project where kids as young as 5 are writing letters to adult asylum seekers. The letters it seems include Valentine’s Day cards https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/08/schoolchildren-five-write-valentine-cards-asylum-seekers/ You could not make it up, the educators need educating on cause and affect, every action has a reaction." They did make it up.  | |||
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More or less, yeah. You see, I don't need to conceal my opinions behind innuendo or misdirection because they aren't morally objectionable.
"I don't believe my views are morally objectionable either and I have never hidden the.. " Well, to be fair not everything people who don't follow my ideology say is a dog whistle. Sometimes they let the mask slip and come right out and just say the horrible shit they really mean." The biggest "mask slip" in the history has been how the left-wing socialists in USSR and China ended up killing tens of millions of people while pretending like they care for equality. Hitler was evil and was open about his views. So sorry, I am not going to take a left-winger's word on this matter | |||
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More or less, yeah. You see, I don't need to conceal my opinions behind innuendo or misdirection because they aren't morally objectionable.
I don't believe my views are morally objectionable either and I have never hidden the..
Well, to be fair not everything people who don't follow my ideology say is a dog whistle. Sometimes they let the mask slip and come right out and just say the horrible shit they really mean.
The biggest "mask slip" in the history has been how the left-wing socialists in USSR and China ended up killing tens of millions of people while pretending like they care for equality. Hitler was evil and was open about his views.
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" You’re completely missing the point. They don’t need to find the child that wrote the love letter. Any child will do. They have been sent the signal that like back in their country of origin where there is no minimum age for sexual consent, children here too are fair game. And their teachers are organising it so it must be ok. Jesus Christ, that's a disgusting thing to say. No, that’s a disgusting thing to do. We feed them, house them in 4star hotels, free everything, and money on top and hundreds of them are working cash in hand. Why do they need valentines cards from children as well? Makes my skin crawl seeing people think this is normal. What’s next? I'm gonna guess... You saying more racist stuff. I’ve not said anything racist. Quote me! Brainwashing children as young as 5 to write love letters to any adult is child abuse. I’d be saying the same regardless of who the letters were written to. The people forcing the kids to do this should be prosecuted. Your unfounded accusations to try to distract from that fact says so much more about you than it does me. And everyone reading this thread can the people who support child abuse and those who don’t. I’m happy to be judged by my words " You're clearly not happy to be judged by your words. | |||
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"Getting back to the 'valentines cards', it's easy enough to find what the campaign was actually about, but it's far too easy to read a headline and be affronted. " What, you mean the whole thing wasn't a scheme by lefty paedo teachers to invite Johnny Foreigner to come and diddle a load of five-year-olds? Well I find that very hard to believe. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. " So did Jesus - that isn't really disputed. A better example would be a birthday card for a senior royal. Which is obviously okay, since senior royals would never engage inappropriately in a sexual context. | |||
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"I'm sure I asked this earlier in the thread - what do people think about Operation Encompass, since we are on the topic of safeguarding children? " Needs to happen and it's very much in the best interests of the child (which is the the most important factor here). Children in these circumstances often need huge support and an understanding school environment. | |||
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"Some people get their knickers in a twist too readily Of course, that media outlet isn't balanced and welcoming either People are pissed off that teachers are pushing their political ideologies into kids. Would you be fine if schools ask kids to write an essay praising Jesus? Difference is, asylum seekers exist. So did Jesus - that isn't really disputed. A better example would be a birthday card for a senior royal. Which is obviously okay, since senior royals would never engage inappropriately in a sexual context." Th obvious solution is for kids only to be writing birthday cards in school for their fellow classmates and family. There is no particular reason for teachers to be encouraging kids to write to anyone else. I certainly didn’t engage in sending letters to third parties while at school and it didn’t impact my education. Plus that way there is no risk of their leftie deadbeat teachers becoming confused and failing to appreciate the boundaries between their job and their own political opinions. | |||
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"If the kids are to write to strangers, maybe it would be an idea to not restrict it to one group. Why not include pensioners, especially those living alone and people in hospital long term as examples. " Agreed. We SHOULD be a caring society and encourage SAFE and appropriate outreach. Limiting it to one group appears like furthering a political agenda. | |||
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"Getting back to the 'valentines cards', it's easy enough to find what the campaign was actually about, but it's far too easy to read a headline and be affronted. " Pretty sure everyone knows what the campaign is about. It's politically motivated and forcing 5 year olds to do these things for political purposes is wrong | |||
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"Getting back to the 'valentines cards', it's easy enough to find what the campaign was actually about, but it's far too easy to read a headline and be affronted. Pretty sure everyone knows what the campaign is about. It's politically motivated and forcing 5 year olds to do these things for political purposes is wrong " You have the same access to the Schools of Sanctuary websiteas I. One of us can see what the campaign is about. The other is trying to politicise it. | |||
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"Getting back to the 'valentines cards', it's easy enough to find what the campaign was actually about, but it's far too easy to read a headline and be affronted. Pretty sure everyone knows what the campaign is about. It's politically motivated and forcing 5 year olds to do these things for political purposes is wrong You have the same access to the Schools of Sanctuary websiteas I. One of us can see what the campaign is about. The other is trying to politicise it. " The campaign itself is political. Not everyone agrees with the idea and in fact, it is one of the issues most people consider important while choosing to vote | |||
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More or less, yeah. You see, I don't need to conceal my opinions behind innuendo or misdirection because they aren't morally objectionable.
I don't believe my views are morally objectionable either and I have never hidden the..
Well, to be fair not everything people who don't follow my ideology say is a dog whistle. Sometimes they let the mask slip and come right out and just say the horrible shit they really mean.
The biggest "mask slip" in the history has been how the left-wing socialists in USSR and China ended up killing tens of millions of people while pretending like they care for equality. Hitler was evil and was open about his views.
So sorry, I am not going to take a left-winger's word on this matter
Equality and equity are two different things.
Equity for me, every time. "If we are being pedantic, the Marxists also promised Equity. From each according to their ability and all that. | |||
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"Getting back to the 'valentines cards', it's easy enough to find what the campaign was actually about, but it's far too easy to read a headline and be affronted. Pretty sure everyone knows what the campaign is about. It's politically motivated and forcing 5 year olds to do these things for political purposes is wrong You have the same access to the Schools of Sanctuary websiteas I. One of us can see what the campaign is about. The other is trying to politicise it. The campaign itself is political. Not everyone agrees with the idea and in fact, it is one of the issues most people consider important while choosing to vote " The campaign itself is not political. It's other people creating a narrative, a biased narrative, that makes it political. | |||
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" Th obvious solution is for kids only to be writing birthday cards in school for their fellow classmates and family. There is no particular reason for teachers to be encouraging kids to write to anyone else. " Pen pals can broaden a student's mind and develop writing skills in a unique way. Especially when those pen pals are from different cultures. It used to be fairly common for kids to write letters to other kids (often in different countries). Nowadays kids communicate online with people from all over the world (in games and social media), which probably explains why snail mail pen pals are not as common, but it's overall a good idea. | |||
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". So did Jesus - that isn't really disputed. See, it's statements like that that demonstrates that people will just say any old shit. Of course it's disputed. It's been disputed for 2,000 years and continues daily to be disputed. Oh... You mean fringe theories. You know, whether the Earth is an oblate sphere is also "disputed"." Lol. If you think doubt about the existence of the Bible Jesus is a "fringe theory", you need to get out a bit. You know most people aren't Christians, right? You are aware of that, aren't you? | |||
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" Th obvious solution is for kids only to be writing birthday cards in school for their fellow classmates and family. There is no particular reason for teachers to be encouraging kids to write to anyone else. Pen pals can broaden a student's mind and develop writing skills in a unique way. Especially when those pen pals are from different cultures. It used to be fairly common for kids to write letters to other kids (often in different countries). Nowadays kids communicate online with people from all over the world (in games and social media), which probably explains why snail mail pen pals are not as common, but it's overall a good idea." If parents would like their children to engage with other cultures then that’s up to them. I doubt many children make it through to 18 without visiting foreign climes nowadays. Unfortunately if it is driven by left wing teachers’ unions then I’m afraid it’s all about political brainwashing. Labour has to get its future voters from somewhere. People who have actually lived under Leftist regimes aren’t likely to vote for them so Labour has to breed new voters or import them from abroad. | |||
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" Th obvious solution is for kids only to be writing birthday cards in school for their fellow classmates and family. There is no particular reason for teachers to be encouraging kids to write to anyone else. Pen pals can broaden a student's mind and develop writing skills in a unique way. Especially when those pen pals are from different cultures. It used to be fairly common for kids to write letters to other kids (often in different countries). Nowadays kids communicate online with people from all over the world (in games and social media), which probably explains why snail mail pen pals are not as common, but it's overall a good idea. If parents would like their children to engage with other cultures then that’s up to them. I doubt many children make it through to 18 without visiting foreign climes nowadays. Unfortunately if it is driven by left wing teachers’ unions then I’m afraid it’s all about political brainwashing. Labour has to get its future voters from somewhere. People who have actually lived under Leftist regimes aren’t likely to vote for them so Labour has to breed new voters or import them from abroad." This is life in 2025 Britain where learning about other people in the world we live in is considered "left wing brain washing". What a time to be alive. | |||
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" Th obvious solution is for kids only to be writing birthday cards in school for their fellow classmates and family. There is no particular reason for teachers to be encouraging kids to write to anyone else. Pen pals can broaden a student's mind and develop writing skills in a unique way. Especially when those pen pals are from different cultures. It used to be fairly common for kids to write letters to other kids (often in different countries). Nowadays kids communicate online with people from all over the world (in games and social media), which probably explains why snail mail pen pals are not as common, but it's overall a good idea. If parents would like their children to engage with other cultures then that’s up to them. I doubt many children make it through to 18 without visiting foreign climes nowadays. Unfortunately if it is driven by left wing teachers’ unions then I’m afraid it’s all about political brainwashing. Labour has to get its future voters from somewhere. People who have actually lived under Leftist regimes aren’t likely to vote for them so Labour has to breed new voters or import them from abroad. This is life in 2025 Britain where learning about other people in the world we live in is considered "left wing brain washing". What a time to be alive. " And the people who have lived under Conservative leadership in the UK for a significant portion of their lives voted the other way. Good argument. | |||
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"Why do we present to children, all people crossing the Channel in small boats are fleeing war or persecution? ." We don't. The media makes them out to be the complete opposite. Just look at how people here talk about these people. Here's a quote from our resident anti-immigrant immigrant. "On my reckoning that's another 175,000 chancers, criminals and potential terrorists that are going to wash up on Britain's shores." | |||
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"Getting back to the 'valentines cards', it's easy enough to find what the campaign was actually about, but it's far too easy to read a headline and be affronted. Pretty sure everyone knows what the campaign is about. It's politically motivated and forcing 5 year olds to do these things for political purposes is wrong You have the same access to the Schools of Sanctuary websiteas I. One of us can see what the campaign is about. The other is trying to politicise it. The campaign itself is political. Not everyone agrees with the idea and in fact, it is one of the issues most people consider important while choosing to vote The campaign itself is not political. It's other people creating a narrative, a biased narrative, that makes it political. " Being pro-immigration is a political choice. Are you saying it's not? | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time." You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it. | |||
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"Why do we present to children, all people crossing the Channel in small boats are fleeing war or persecution? . We don't. The media makes them out to be the complete opposite. Just look at how people here talk about these people. Here's a quote from our resident anti-immigrant immigrant. "On my reckoning that's another 175,000 chancers, criminals and potential terrorists that are going to wash up on Britain's shores."" Many crossing the Channel are gaming the system, this is the reality. I agree that there is a spin towards some of the things you mentioned from the far right, and if we are going to get annoyed or angry at that we should be equally annoyed with ideologic charities giving the impression that everyone arriving here is fleeing persecution and war. We need reality not made up nonsense such as the above. | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time. You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it." Nah, I call it fake outrage because it's demonstrable that most of the shit the tabloids scream about never actually happened. As for religious indoctrination, I'm not sure where you've seen "the left" crying about it. Religious education in schools is certainly the subject of ongoing debate, as it should be, but you hardly see weeks, months and years of hysrerical headlines in the left-wing press warning parents to protect their kids from a community that has traditionally harboured rather more kiddie-fiddlers than is the norm. | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time. You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it. Nah, I call it fake outrage because it's demonstrable that most of the shit the tabloids scream about never actually happened. " If nothing of that sort happened, why were so many groups opposed to the outrage? It should be business as usual anyway right? " As for religious indoctrination, I'm not sure where you've seen "the left" crying about it. Religious education in schools is certainly the subject of ongoing debate, as it should be, but you hardly see weeks, months and years of hysrerical headlines in the left-wing press warning parents to protect their kids from a community that has traditionally harboured rather more kiddie-fiddlers than is the norm." Teaching religion in school has been a hotly debated topic in media and in communities for decades in most democracies. | |||
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"Why do we present to children, all people crossing the Channel in small boats are fleeing war or persecution? . We don't. The media makes them out to be the complete opposite. Just look at how people here talk about these people. Here's a quote from our resident anti-immigrant immigrant. "On my reckoning that's another 175,000 chancers, criminals and potential terrorists that are going to wash up on Britain's shores." Many crossing the Channel are gaming the system, this is the reality. I agree that there is a spin towards some of the things you mentioned from the far right, and if we are going to get annoyed or angry at that we should be equally annoyed with ideologic charities giving the impression that everyone arriving here is fleeing persecution and war. We need reality not made up nonsense such as the above. " I don't think we should be equally annoyed at attempts to humanise these humans. | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time. You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it. Nah, I call it fake outrage because it's demonstrable that most of the shit the tabloids scream about never actually happened. If nothing of that sort happened, why were so many groups opposed to the outrage? It should be business as usual anyway right? As for religious indoctrination, I'm not sure where you've seen "the left" crying about it. Religious education in schools is certainly the subject of ongoing debate, as it should be, but you hardly see weeks, months and years of hysrerical headlines in the left-wing press warning parents to protect their kids from a community that has traditionally harboured rather more kiddie-fiddlers than is the norm. Teaching religion in school has been a hotly debated topic in media and in communities for decades in most democracies." Yeah, again as it should be. Debate is a good thing. And are you really asking why so many people are opposed to the outrage? Isn't it obvious? | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time. You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it. Nah, I call it fake outrage because it's demonstrable that most of the shit the tabloids scream about never actually happened. If nothing of that sort happened, why were so many groups opposed to the outrage? It should be business as usual anyway right? As for religious indoctrination, I'm not sure where you've seen "the left" crying about it. Religious education in schools is certainly the subject of ongoing debate, as it should be, but you hardly see weeks, months and years of hysrerical headlines in the left-wing press warning parents to protect their kids from a community that has traditionally harboured rather more kiddie-fiddlers than is the norm. Teaching religion in school has been a hotly debated topic in media and in communities for decades in most democracies. Yeah, again as it should be. Debate is a good thing. And are you really asking why so many people are opposed to the outrage? Isn't it obvious?" Debate is a good thing? When there is a debate, there will be people outraged too. The same thing happened with the debate on religious teachings in school. The issue on gender ideology is also similar. You are shutting the debate down by calling the whole thing "fake outage" because how dare they question your ideology? | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time. You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it. Nah, I call it fake outrage because it's demonstrable that most of the shit the tabloids scream about never actually happened. If nothing of that sort happened, why were so many groups opposed to the outrage? It should be business as usual anyway right? As for religious indoctrination, I'm not sure where you've seen "the left" crying about it. Religious education in schools is certainly the subject of ongoing debate, as it should be, but you hardly see weeks, months and years of hysrerical headlines in the left-wing press warning parents to protect their kids from a community that has traditionally harboured rather more kiddie-fiddlers than is the norm. Teaching religion in school has been a hotly debated topic in media and in communities for decades in most democracies. Yeah, again as it should be. Debate is a good thing. And are you really asking why so many people are opposed to the outrage? Isn't it obvious? Debate is a good thing? When there is a debate, there will be people outraged too. The same thing happened with the debate on religious teachings in school. The issue on gender ideology is also similar. You are shutting the debate down by calling the whole thing "fake outage" because how dare they question your ideology?" A billion-pound media industry conducting smear campaigns against minorities based on innuendo and outright lies to whip their gammon readership into a hate-frenzy is not "debate". There is no comparison between the ongoing discussion of how religion should be taught, and the utter horseshit the people you get your news from spout about "gender ideology" in schools. | |||
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". It feels like the same pattern we saw with gender ideology in schools, a narrative embeds itself into policy and teaching. That's a good example because that too is a bunch of fake outrage with next to no basis in fact and largely manufactured by the right-wing commentariat to whip up public hostility towards a minority. "X is coming for your children" is such a sure-fire way to get the gammon riled up. They fall for it every single time. You call it fake outrage because what the school does aligns with your political views. It's interesting how the left has been crying about "religious indoctrination" in schools, only to go on and start their own indoctrination. And doing this with kids aged 5? People have every right to be disgusted about it. Nah, I call it fake outrage because it's demonstrable that most of the shit the tabloids scream about never actually happened. If nothing of that sort happened, why were so many groups opposed to the outrage? It should be business as usual anyway right? As for religious indoctrination, I'm not sure where you've seen "the left" crying about it. Religious education in schools is certainly the subject of ongoing debate, as it should be, but you hardly see weeks, months and years of hysrerical headlines in the left-wing press warning parents to protect their kids from a community that has traditionally harboured rather more kiddie-fiddlers than is the norm. Teaching religion in school has been a hotly debated topic in media and in communities for decades in most democracies. Yeah, again as it should be. Debate is a good thing. And are you really asking why so many people are opposed to the outrage? Isn't it obvious? Debate is a good thing? When there is a debate, there will be people outraged too. The same thing happened with the debate on religious teachings in school. The issue on gender ideology is also similar. You are shutting the debate down by calling the whole thing "fake outage" because how dare they question your ideology? A billion-pound media industry conducting smear campaigns against minorities based on innuendo and outright lies to whip their gammon readership into a hate-frenzy is not "debate". There is no comparison between the ongoing discussion of how religion should be taught, and the utter horseshit the people you get your news from spout about "gender ideology" in schools." You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology. Were there smear campaigns? Yes. But calling the whole thing a smear campaign is nonsensical. Whether biological males should be allowed in women's safety spaces and women's sports is a topic well worthy of a debate. Unfortunately, debates means your own opinions will be questioned and attacked. If you can't handle it, debates are just not for you. | |||
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"Why do we present to children, all people crossing the Channel in small boats are fleeing war or persecution? . We don't. The media makes them out to be the complete opposite. Just look at how people here talk about these people. Here's a quote from our resident anti-immigrant immigrant. "On my reckoning that's another 175,000 chancers, criminals and potential terrorists that are going to wash up on Britain's shores." Many crossing the Channel are gaming the system, this is the reality. I agree that there is a spin towards some of the things you mentioned from the far right, and if we are going to get annoyed or angry at that we should be equally annoyed with ideologic charities giving the impression that everyone arriving here is fleeing persecution and war. We need reality not made up nonsense such as the above. I don't think we should be equally annoyed at attempts to humanise these humans. " Which is effectively saying you’re prepared to ignore those exploiting the system and entering the country by dishonest means. That is not compassion, it is selective blindness driven by ideology. Turning a blind eye to abuse of the system is no better than the opposite extreme, both distort reality to fit a narrative. Taking that narrative into schools is dishonest and teaches children to accept what they are told, rather than think critically, which let's face it, is the ambition of all ideologies. | |||
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". Which is effectively saying you’re prepared to ignore those exploiting the system and entering the country by dishonest means. " The system is designed in such a way that any one of these people could technically be described as "exploiting the system" and "entering the country by dishonest means". There is no legitimate, by-the-book way to achieve what these people are trying to achieve. Unfortunately, this means that people who wish to cast them in an unfavourable light can do so while not technically lying about the legality or integrity of their actions. None of this addresses their actual aims or motivations. | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? " It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. | |||
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"Given the number of foreign children in our schools nowadays may it would be more productive and beneficial for them to write to elderly people in care homes. That would help the elderly with loneliness struggles, and aid the children in learning more about British history, values and culture and aid the integration process." ... which would be pushing a political ideology. Can't have it both ways, pal. | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example." I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. | |||
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". You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology. Were there smear campaigns? Yes. But calling the whole thing a smear campaign is nonsensical. Do you read back what you write, or do you just hit "post message" and hope that it makes any kind of sense? You say I call them "smear campaigns" because I disagree with them. Then you admit they were in fact smear campaigns. But then you say calling them smear campaigns is "nonsensical". Gotta pick one, buddy." It looks like you are the one who rushes to the reply button. That post was not even that long 
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". You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology. Were there smear campaigns? Yes. But calling the whole thing a smear campaign is nonsensical. Do you read back what you write, or do you just hit "post message" and hope that it makes any kind of sense? You say I call them "smear campaigns" because I disagree with them. Then you admit they were in fact smear campaigns. But then you say calling them smear campaigns is "nonsensical". Gotta pick one, buddy. It looks like you are the one who rushes to the reply button. That post was not even that long
Which part of "There were some smear campaigns but it's wrong to dismiss the whole thing as smear campaign" do you not understand? "The bit where you also said "You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology.", which directly contradicts your following statement. I mean, it's not that I don't understand it. I totally get why your position is incoherent. Maybe someday you will too. | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. " Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? " Indoctrination into what? Having compassion for someone in a terrible situation? | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? " That would be true, if children were morons. Fortunately the whole "ARE KIDS R BEEN INDOCTRINAYTED" bit falls over when you take into account that children exhibit quite an impressive amount of intellectual independence from a very young age and demonstrably form a wide range of differing opinions about the things they hear in school, which he is precisely why it's beneficial for them to hear and experience as wide as possible a selection of different ideas, ranging from "some people want to help those in need" to "some people want to close the borders". | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? Indoctrination into what? Having compassion for someone in a terrible situation? " That everyone arriving here is doing so because they are fleeing persecution and wars. That is simply not true, but it will become truth.... | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? Indoctrination into what? Having compassion for someone in a terrible situation? " Indoctrination into believing that all the "asylum seekers" are in need of help and should be help. | |||
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". You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology. Were there smear campaigns? Yes. But calling the whole thing a smear campaign is nonsensical. Do you read back what you write, or do you just hit "post message" and hope that it makes any kind of sense? You say I call them "smear campaigns" because I disagree with them. Then you admit they were in fact smear campaigns. But then you say calling them smear campaigns is "nonsensical". Gotta pick one, buddy. It looks like you are the one who rushes to the reply button. That post was not even that long
Which part of "There were some smear campaigns but it's wrong to dismiss the whole thing as smear campaign" do you not understand?
The bit where you also said "You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology.", which directly contradicts your following statement.
I mean, it's not that I don't understand it. I totally get why your position is incoherent. Maybe someday you will too."It doesn't. Let me try it again. Pretty much every big political campaign has some people indulging in smear campaign. It's wrong to dismiss the entire thing as smear campaign because of the actions of a few. You are itching to dismiss the whole thing as a smear campaign because it goes against the ideology and you are scared of debates on the topic. As for ideological incoherence, the left is the one who takes the gold medal for that. Pretending like they care about women's rights and throwing women's safety under bus during the trans debate, pretending like they hate religion and care about gay rights but doing gymnastics to defend Islam, pretending like they love the working class and sneering at them as "illiterate" when they don't vote the way they want. I can go on and on. | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? Indoctrination into what? Having compassion for someone in a terrible situation? That everyone arriving here is doing so because they are fleeing persecution and wars. That is simply not true, but it will become truth.... " No one has said that all the asylum seekers are fleeing persecution, but most are. There will be a number chancing their arm, for whatever reason. | |||
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"It's going off topic. The outrage against nursery and school age children, so we are talking about 3-17 year old, taking part in Schools of Sanctuary writing letters or valentine cards is based on a headline. The children at these Schools of Sanctuary are encouraged to support displaced children. Not adults. CHILDREN. Children being kind to one another is a bad thing? It's lefty political brainwashing. Children should spend all their time singing Rule Britannia and learning about the marvellous members of our wonderful Royal family, like Prince Andrew for example. I love the brainwashing references - definition being to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing other information from reaching them. I'm sure these lefty teachers ensure that their students have no access to the Internet or other people who may influence them in a different direction. Like parents/carers. Children are taught to trust their teachers, so if what they are told is misleading, they will accept it as fact. That is how you "shape beliefs" and significantly, before they can be questioned. The charity is pushing an ideology with no checks or balances, and in schools that means a one sided narrative gets presented as the schools truth, not necessarily the truth. Is that education or indoctrination? Indoctrination into what? Having compassion for someone in a terrible situation? That everyone arriving here is doing so because they are fleeing persecution and wars. That is simply not true, but it will become truth.... No one has said that all the asylum seekers are fleeing persecution, but most are. There will be a number chancing their arm, for whatever reason. " I would argue most are chancing their arm, which is why so many ditch ID before arrival. The crossing often comes with coaching on how to beat the system, it’s quite the package. You will push back because you want to believe otherwise, and you will likely cite acceptance rates to prove it. But those gaming the process know exactly which claims, sexuality, religion, or other protected grounds will get them through. The real conversation isn’t happening. Successive governments, including Starmer’s, avoid admitting that the 1951 Refugee Convention ties our hands. Instead, they stick to rhetoric and hope for change. Teaching children that all who seek “sanctuary” are honest victims fleeing danger is the same avoidance, presenting a one sided view where "all" arrivals are presented as good and deserving, with no mention of exploitation or abuse of the system. | |||
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". You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology. Were there smear campaigns? Yes. But calling the whole thing a smear campaign is nonsensical. Do you read back what you write, or do you just hit "post message" and hope that it makes any kind of sense? You say I call them "smear campaigns" because I disagree with them. Then you admit they were in fact smear campaigns. But then you say calling them smear campaigns is "nonsensical". Gotta pick one, buddy. It looks like you are the one who rushes to the reply button. That post was not even that long
Which part of "There were some smear campaigns but it's wrong to dismiss the whole thing as smear campaign" do you not understand?
The bit where you also said "You call them "smear campaigns" because they go against your ideology.", which directly contradicts your following statement.
I mean, it's not that I don't understand it. I totally get why your position is incoherent. Maybe someday you will too.
It doesn't. Let me try it again. Pretty much every big political campaign has some people indulging in smear campaign. It's wrong to dismiss the entire thing as smear campaign because of the actions of a few. You are itching to dismiss the whole thing as a smear campaign because it goes against the ideology and you are scared of debates on the topic.
As for ideological incoherence, the left is the one who takes the gold medal for that. Pretending like they care about women's rights and throwing women's safety under bus during the trans debate, pretending like they hate religion and care about gay rights but doing gymnastics to defend Islam, pretending like they love the working class and sneering at them as "illiterate" when they don't vote the way they want. I can go on and on."I'm sure you can. The thing is, the three examples you used are just evidence of you being suckered by right-wing tabloids rhetoric. - The "women's safety" aspect of the trans debate is based on nothing but manufactured hysteria that the right-wing press (who demonstrably don't give a fuck about women) uses to depict trans women as perverts looking for ways to sneak into the wrong toilet. - The left don't "hate" religion and they don't "do gymnastics" to defend Islam. They want to see a limitation of religious influence in politics and they object to the demonising of an entire minority by the Christan right-wing press and the hate crimes and de-integration that invariably lead from it. - The "sneering" you're referring to is again projection by the right-wing press who seek to depict the left as arrogant and elitist for caring about such things as expertise, political caution and intellectual rigour. Our problem is with Michael Gove saying we've "had enough of experts" and his subtext that, deprived of good information, the general public should be free to indulge their knee-jerk reactions - to his benefit, of course. None of your ideas about this are based in reality. You're angry about this weird idea you have of what people on the left are like, which has been fed to you over decades of right-wing client journalism. It takes literally minutes to debunk this stuff and in most cases trace it back to the corrupt media hack who came up with it. Try it sometime. | |||
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" de-integration?" I used to enjoy watching the Midlands Today news programme on BBC in my 20s and early 30s. Every year they would travel to Leicester for a live report on the Hindu festival of light, Diwali and always talk about how Leicester was a shining example of cultural integration. The trouble is, it wasn’t, and probably still isn’t. In my late 30s I started a new job where freelancers would travel from all over the midlands to work at events all over the midlands. I met three people who i became good friends with and still talk occasionally to two of them. The other has since died. I happened to mention this “city of cultural integration” that they all lived in and instantly got three bewildered expressions. This was because it was all a lie. Integration was minimal at best. There were (and may still be) areas of around 99% Hindu population. Same for Muslim. Same for black. Same for white. They all lived peacefully and on the whole had no reason not to do so, but they chose segregation not integration. Birmingham is exactly the same. I’m from Birmingham originally and my son still lives there. And class has very little to do with it, although there are of course areas where property values are drastically different. If anything the affluent an area of Birmingham the more integration there is. I’m not saying this is either bad or good, i’ve no data or opinion either way. It’s just the way it is | |||
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". I mean, it's not that I don't understand it. I totally get why your position is incoherent. Maybe someday you will too. It doesn't. Let me try it again. Pretty much every big political campaign has some people indulging in smear campaign. It's wrong to dismiss the entire thing as smear campaign because of the actions of a few. You are itching to dismiss the whole thing as a smear campaign because it goes against the ideology and you are scared of debates on the topic. As for ideological incoherence, the left is the one who takes the gold medal for that. Pretending like they care about women's rights and throwing women's safety under bus during the trans debate, pretending like they hate religion and care about gay rights but doing gymnastics to defend Islam, pretending like they love the working class and sneering at them as "illiterate" when they don't vote the way they want. I can go on and on. I'm sure you can. The thing is, the three examples you used are just evidence of you being suckered by right-wing tabloids rhetoric. " Here we go again. Everyone who doesn't agree with you is just "suckered by right-wing tabloids rhetoric." Aren't you folks tired of doing this. I have talked to enough left wingers in real life and on the internet and these are the views they have. " - The "women's safety" aspect of the trans debate is based on nothing but manufactured hysteria that the right-wing press (who demonstrably don't give a fuck about women) uses to depict trans women as perverts looking for ways to sneak into the wrong toilet. " Again, you are misinterpreting the whole argument. Are all trans women just looking to get into the wrong toilets? Not at all. But it opens up and avenue for perverts to do so. " - The left don't "hate" religion and they don't "do gymnastics" to defend Islam. They want to see a limitation of religious influence in politics and they object to the demonising of an entire minority by the Christan right-wing press and the hate crimes and de-integration that invariably lead from it. " Lots of things which the left consider as "hate crimes" against Islam today are the same things which the left did when they were fighting against Christianity. All of a sudden, burning a religious book is a hate crime. They wouldn't even open their mouth about 12 Islamic countries having death penalty for gays and many of them treating women like shit. " - The "sneering" you're referring to is again projection by the right-wing press who seek to depict the left as arrogant and elitist for caring about such things as expertise, political caution and intellectual rigour. Our problem is with Michael Gove saying we've "had enough of experts" and his subtext that, deprived of good information, the general public should be free to indulge their knee-jerk reactions - to his benefit, of course. " This is the problem. You mistakenly believe that working class votes the way they do because people they are blindly following politicians like Michael Gove. They have lives and they come across enough number of issues that impact their voting choices. " None of your ideas about this are based in reality. You're angry about this weird idea you have of what people on the left are like, which has been fed to you over decades of right-wing client journalism. It takes literally minutes to debunk this stuff and in most cases trace it back to the corrupt media hack who came up with it. Try it sometime." You haven't "debunked" a single one of this. | |||
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".. Again, you are misinterpreting the whole argument. Are all trans women just looking to get into the wrong toilets? Not at all. But it opens up and avenue for perverts to do so. " Which, again, is bullshit. There's not a shred of evidence for the position that allowing people to use the bathroom for the gender they identify with has any effect on the risk to the safety of the other users of that bathroom. Not a shred. Nothing. And yet you're happy to repeat the utter crap you've been fed by the right-wing client media in the context of what is demonstrably a smear campaign targeting trans people. I'm not gonna bother dealing with the other stuff because the same point stands. You're just gullible. It's got nothing to do with my ideology. You believe things that flatly aren't true. You can stop doing it or you can continue doing it, but if you continue doing it you should expect to have people point out that you've fallen for stupid nonsense, and no amount of whingeing about witch hunts is gonna help. | |||
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".. Again, you are misinterpreting the whole argument. Are all trans women just looking to get into the wrong toilets? Not at all. But it opens up and avenue for perverts to do so. Which, again, is bullshit. There's not a shred of evidence for the position that allowing people to use the bathroom for the gender they identify with has any effect on the risk to the safety of the other users of that bathroom. Not a shred. Nothing. " Are you saying that there aren't cases where this hasn't happened? " And yet you're happy to repeat the utter crap you've been fed by the right-wing client media in the context of what is demonstrably a smear campaign targeting trans people. " And here we go again You lot never fail to disappoint. | |||
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"This is going completely off the thread topic, but here goes. The expectation of trans people using the public toilet facilities of the sex (not gender!) assigned at birth only places transgender people and women at risk. Think about it. Someone passing as male or female using the opposite gender toilets outs them as transgender and they risk their safety at the hands of transphobes. It also opens the door (literally) for predatory cis males to enter women's toilet spaces and claim to be trans male. (Because everyone is worried about the toilets, for some reason) No-one sees an issue with this? " There is no need for “cis”, you are either male or female, and if you have transitioned, you are a trans male or a trans female. Going back to the point you are making ref toilets. People are complaining mostly females, that trans females are using their personal spaces and do not want that to continue. The recent ruling Women for Scotland stated, in certain legal contexts, “sex” means biological sex, and that preserving single sex spaces is a legitimate aim under the Equality Act 2010. This means it is legitimate and lawful to exclude people of the opposite biological sex from single sex spaces. | |||
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"This is going completely off the thread topic, but here goes. The expectation of trans people using the public toilet facilities of the sex (not gender!) assigned at birth only places transgender people and women at risk. Think about it. Someone passing as male or female using the opposite gender toilets outs them as transgender and they risk their safety at the hands of transphobes. It also opens the door (literally) for predatory cis males to enter women's toilet spaces and claim to be trans male. (Because everyone is worried about the toilets, for some reason) No-one sees an issue with this? " Well no, because the people who are against trans women using women's bathrooms don't actually give a toss about women's safety, and see trans people as sub-human and would exclude them from society altogether if they could. | |||
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"This is going completely off the thread topic, but here goes. The expectation of trans people using the public toilet facilities of the sex (not gender!) assigned at birth only places transgender people and women at risk. Think about it. Someone passing as male or female using the opposite gender toilets outs them as transgender and they risk their safety at the hands of transphobes. It also opens the door (literally) for predatory cis males to enter women's toilet spaces and claim to be trans male. (Because everyone is worried about the toilets, for some reason) No-one sees an issue with this? Well no, because the people who are against trans women using women's bathrooms don't actually give a toss about women's safety, and see trans people as sub-human and would exclude them from society altogether if they could." You mean like the 75% of arrested "protect our women and children" protesters in Rotherham who had previous for domestic abuse? Those types of people? Gotcha! | |||
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"This is going completely off the thread topic, but here goes. The expectation of trans people using the public toilet facilities of the sex (not gender!) assigned at birth only places transgender people and women at risk. Think about it. Someone passing as male or female using the opposite gender toilets outs them as transgender and they risk their safety at the hands of transphobes. It also opens the door (literally) for predatory cis males to enter women's toilet spaces and claim to be trans male. (Because everyone is worried about the toilets, for some reason) No-one sees an issue with this? Well no, because the people who are against trans women using women's bathrooms don't actually give a toss about women's safety, and see trans people as sub-human and would exclude them from society altogether if they could. You mean like the 75% of arrested "protect our women and children" protesters in Rotherham who had previous for domestic abuse? Those types of people? Gotcha! " That's the ones. Those ones who only seem interested in protecting women and children from brown people or queer people. From straight white people? They're on their own. | |||
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"This is going completely off the thread topic, but here goes. The expectation of trans people using the public toilet facilities of the sex (not gender!) assigned at birth only places transgender people and women at risk. Think about it. Someone passing as male or female using the opposite gender toilets outs them as transgender and they risk their safety at the hands of transphobes. It also opens the door (literally) for predatory cis males to enter women's toilet spaces and claim to be trans male. (Because everyone is worried about the toilets, for some reason) No-one sees an issue with this? Well no, because the people who are against trans women using women's bathrooms don't actually give a toss about women's safety, and see trans people as sub-human and would exclude them from society altogether if they could. You mean like the 75% of arrested "protect our women and children" protesters in Rotherham who had previous for domestic abuse? Those types of people? Gotcha! " Are the people arrested for violence the only ones opposed to immigration? Last I checked, the majority of people are against letting unknown strangers into the country the way we do today. Do you think the 75% domestic abuse statistics apply to over half the population? You don't see how you are misusing a biased statistic? | |||
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"! Are the people arrested for violence the only ones opposed to immigration? Last I checked, the majority of people are against letting unknown strangers into the country the way we do today. Do you think the 75% domestic abuse statistics apply to over half the population? You don't see how you are misusing a biased statistic?" Weren't you just now whining about people deliberately misrepresenting your posts? | |||
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"For reasons unknown, research indicates that men who commit DA are more likely to be on the right of the political spectrum. " "Reasons unknown" 😆 | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! " The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. | |||
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"! Are the people arrested for violence the only ones opposed to immigration? Last I checked, the majority of people are against letting unknown strangers into the country the way we do today. Do you think the 75% domestic abuse statistics apply to over half the population? You don't see how you are misusing a biased statistic? Weren't you just now whining about people deliberately misrepresenting your posts?" Weren't you the one who deliberately misrepresents others opinion? Now you are here defending people deliberately misrepresenting statistics too? | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. " That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. | |||
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". So did Jesus - that isn't really disputed. See, it's statements like that that demonstrates that people will just say any old shit. Of course it's disputed. It's been disputed for 2,000 years and continues daily to be disputed. Oh... You mean fringe theories. You know, whether the Earth is an oblate sphere is also "disputed". Lol. If you think doubt about the existence of the Bible Jesus is a "fringe theory", you need to get out a bit. You know most people aren't Christians, right? You are aware of that, aren't you?" You don't need to be of a particular religious persuasion to believe in the historical existence of a person? Do you also doubt the historical existence of Mohammed, Guru Nanak & L Ron Hubbard? You don't need to believe in the message to acknowledge the existence of the messenger... You've moved the goalposts to "the Bible Jesus"... Does this mean you do believe that he probably existed, but isn't all he's cracked up to be in the Bible? Fair enough. | |||
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". So did Jesus - that isn't really disputed. See, it's statements like that that demonstrates that people will just say any old shit. Of course it's disputed. It's been disputed for 2,000 years and continues daily to be disputed. Oh... You mean fringe theories. You know, whether the Earth is an oblate sphere is also "disputed". Lol. If you think doubt about the existence of the Bible Jesus is a "fringe theory", you need to get out a bit. You know most people aren't Christians, right? You are aware of that, aren't you? You don't need to be of a particular religious persuasion to believe in the historical existence of a person? Do you also doubt the historical existence of Mohammed, Guru Nanak & L Ron Hubbard? You don't need to believe in the message to acknowledge the existence of the messenger... You've moved the goalposts to "the Bible Jesus"... Does this mean you do believe that he probably existed, but isn't all he's cracked up to be in the Bible? Fair enough." Nah, but you do tend to need to be religious to believe in the existence of a magical person. Muhammed yeah, Guru Nanak less so and L. Ron Hubbard not at all. In the case of Jesus, believing in the message is a function of believing in the messenger. And obviously I mean the Bible Jesus, which is what you meant too. And there's no point in considering the existence of anyone other than Jesus of Nazareth as described in the Bible, because that's who everyone means when they say "Jesus". | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative." There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing. | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative. There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing." Oh cool, now we get to play "I wonder why this guy doesn't think there are any racists on here". | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. " Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads. | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads." Jesus Christ man, we get you're afraid of immigrants. That doesn't mean little kids have to be. | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads." From reading this thread it is you forcing opinions. Opinions of hate towards a group of people who are themselves defenceless. But that is the way. | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative. There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing." I mention race and look who turns up. Well I say no more. | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads. From reading this thread it is you forcing opinions. Opinions of hate towards a group of people who are themselves defenceless. But that is the way." I honestly think you have not read a single word of what I wrote, so explain what hate I have forced, and where it is being forced upon.  | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative. There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing. I mention race and look who turns up. Well I say no more." I never mention race. You talk about race all the time. Almost entirely incoherent and poorly expressed gibberish. Pure projection. | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads. From reading this thread it is you forcing opinions. Opinions of hate towards a group of people who are themselves defenceless. But that is the way. I honestly think you have not read a single word of what I wrote, so explain what hate I have forced, and where it is being forced upon. "The usual suspects turn up for confrontation. The usual spill to everyone who dares confront them for who they are. So the usual argument "you can't read", "when have I wrote that" blah blah Sorry I cannot help you as my view is not stuck to this thread, but the many other types of thread you and your cronies frequent. You know the type don't you? Foreigners out, their taking our money, our housing, they don't want to work, they are working illegally and taking our money, they have money as they paid grands to get here, they are rap1st. I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift. | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative. There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing. I mention race and look who turns up. Well I say no more. I never mention race. You talk about race all the time. Almost entirely incoherent and poorly expressed gibberish. Pure projection." I swear you are so obvious so repeating and the usual put down tactics. From your many posts on other similar threads points to my view of you get it. | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative. There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing. I mention race and look who turns up. Well I say no more. I never mention race. You talk about race all the time. Almost entirely incoherent and poorly expressed gibberish. Pure projection. I swear you are so obvious so repeating and the usual put down tactics. From your many posts on other similar threads points to my view of you get it." You don’t like Jews. We get the message. | |||
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"Stupid is what stupid gets. There are some posters on here who are beyond belief, they are a snapshot of our countries views and beliefs. It scares me sometimes, they only think for themselves, share with no one or those with similar views. Spout vailed racists bile and deny they are racists when they are. They are just a joke and all interaction with these posters should cease, because they shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout or try to normalise their narrative. There are about half a dozen posters on this forum who post endlessly about race. And all of them are left wing. I mention race and look who turns up. Well I say no more. I never mention race. You talk about race all the time. Almost entirely incoherent and poorly expressed gibberish. Pure projection. I swear you are so obvious so repeating and the usual put down tactics. From your many posts on other similar threads points to my view of you get it. You don’t like Jews. We get the message." Again you are wrong I do not like Israeli's. What is your I,Q? Why is it you lot are so so so stupid. So sectulair? | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads. From reading this thread it is you forcing opinions. Opinions of hate towards a group of people who are themselves defenceless. But that is the way. I honestly think you have not read a single word of what I wrote, so explain what hate I have forced, and where it is being forced upon.
The usual suspects turn up for confrontation.
The usual spill to everyone who dares confront them for who they are.
So the usual argument "you can't read", "when have I wrote that" blah blah
Sorry I cannot help you as my view is not stuck to this thread, but the many other types of thread you and your cronies frequent.
You know the type don't you?
Foreigners out, their taking our money, our housing, they don't want to work, they are working illegally and taking our money, they have money as they paid grands to get here, they are rap1st.
I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift."You have just proved my point, I have not said anything of the sort I have been challenging the idea of allowing ideological charities into schools to enforce their messages onto impressionable children. To be honest, I have read enough of your rants over the last few months that attack the poster rather than engaging with the topic, so please stop interacting with me. | |||
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"Did you read the part where it said the letters and cards were anonymised? Children as young as 5 are writing valentines cards to adults. Do you not see the issue. What I see is schools encouraging empathy towards people who have been displaced and travelled thousands of miles to a place of safety. Writing a valentine's card is probably the last idea any sane person would come up with to build empathy. If the teachers wanted to show empathy, they should write the valentine's card themselves. They shouldn't pushing their politics to the kids. " Love thy neighbor is now some sexual act on children | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? " Wales is a country of sanctuary!!  | |||
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"I responded to posts further up that was part of the OP, but the thread suddenly took a turn into whataboutery. Which is becoming a more common practice of the progressives and hard left. No whataboutery here! The op was about School Sanctuary influences that encouraged school children to write letters and make cards welcoming "all" people that want "sanctuary". It has now turned into an echo chamber that has changed the subject to DA and right wing males. It would be good to get back on topic. That's what conversations and discussions do, they evolve. But if you want to talk about anonymised letters from children to other children, feel free. Are you really that blinkered you can't see teachers are enforcing their own beliefs and those of school sanctuary by asking children to reinforce the message they have been given by writing cards and letters? They are removing critical thinking and teaching children to accept what they are told and not the truth. Many people arriving here who are gaming the system are being wrapped with a bow as seeking sanctuary, and the mantra of "all" people who seek "sanctuary" are welcome is being indoctrinated into the minds of impressionable children. These charities have no place in our education system, they are unchecked and allowed through the door by politically motivated heads. From reading this thread it is you forcing opinions. Opinions of hate towards a group of people who are themselves defenceless. But that is the way. I honestly think you have not read a single word of what I wrote, so explain what hate I have forced, and where it is being forced upon.
The usual suspects turn up for confrontation.
The usual spill to everyone who dares confront them for who they are.
So the usual argument "you can't read", "when have I wrote that" blah blah
Sorry I cannot help you as my view is not stuck to this thread, but the many other types of thread you and your cronies frequent.
You know the type don't you?
Foreigners out, their taking our money, our housing, they don't want to work, they are working illegally and taking our money, they have money as they paid grands to get here, they are rap1st.
I could go on but I'm sure you get my drift.
You have just proved my point, I have not said anything of the sort I have been challenging the idea of allowing ideological charities into schools to enforce their messages onto impressionable children.
To be honest, I have read enough of your rants over the last few months that attack the poster rather than engaging with the topic, so please stop interacting with me. "That is the last tactic when called out for all to see is to say "stop engaging with me". Well I suppose I have to since you asked. But I will keep reading your posts as it keeps me real and grounded. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? Wales is a country of sanctuary!! "Thank goodness! | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? Wales is a country of sanctuary!!
Thank goodness! "Long may it last!! Although, next May is currently a worry | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? Wales is a country of sanctuary!!
Thank goodness!
Long may it last!!
Although, next May is currently a worry "It is, but I think there are enough rational people about. My elder will be voting, they have become quite politically aware over the last few years. I think the younger generation is more switched on that some might think. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? Wales is a country of sanctuary!!
Thank goodness!
Long may it last!!
Although, next May is currently a worry
It is, but I think there are enough rational people about.
My elder will be voting, they have become quite politically aware over the last few years. I think the younger generation is more switched on that some might think. "No I don't doubt it they just don't tend to vote in such large numbers. It'll be a tense time if polls are proved right and reform get the largest number of AS and the plaid and labour can manage enough seats to create a government. Better than reform but sticky | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? Wales is a country of sanctuary!!
Thank goodness!
Long may it last!!
Although, next May is currently a worry
It is, but I think there are enough rational people about.
My elder will be voting, they have become quite politically aware over the last few years. I think the younger generation is more switched on that some might think.
No I don't doubt it they just don't tend to vote in such large numbers.
It'll be a tense time if polls are proved right and reform get the largest number of AS and the plaid and labour can manage enough seats to create a government.
Better than reform but sticky "I think the right likes to shout loud, whereas the rest just get on with important things, like life, family, being nice to one another. I don't follow politics, I have my views on certain topics, but I can see a situation where people will vote because they don't want reform in power. I mean, really? Reopen the mines and the furnaces? The cost is one thing. The viability of a workforce is another. | |||
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"If anyone cared to read up on it, there is an application process to become a school of sanctuary which involves teachers, parents and school governors. Parents get a choice? Where did you read that? Wales is a country of sanctuary!!
Thank goodness!
Long may it last!!
Although, next May is currently a worry
It is, but I think there are enough rational people about.
My elder will be voting, they have become quite politically aware over the last few years. I think the younger generation is more switched on that some might think.
No I don't doubt it they just don't tend to vote in such large numbers.
It'll be a tense time if polls are proved right and reform get the largest number of AS and the plaid and labour can manage enough seats to create a government.
Better than reform but sticky
I think the right likes to shout loud, whereas the rest just get on with important things, like life, family, being nice to one another.
I don't follow politics, I have my views on certain topics, but I can see a situation where people will vote because they don't want reform in power. I mean, really? Reopen the mines and the furnaces?
The cost is one thing. The viability of a workforce is another. "“Right likes to shout loud”. Hysterical. Who is it who is out all the time ranting and raving with placards, blocking streets, vandalising art, damaging planes etc etc. | |||
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