Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to Politics |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Haven't they given the burden of housing to local authorities, once the claimants are processed?" You could have a point once a migrant becomes a refuge legally hear is it not then down to the local authority to house them. But should they be alowd to jump the housing queue ore are they then made homeless in the UK. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Try reading the article by the Migration Observatory in relation to migrants and housing in the UK. It may challenge some common misconceptions. " What are the headlines? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Try reading the article by the Migration Observatory in relation to migrants and housing in the UK. It may challenge some common misconceptions. What are the headlines?" Try finding the article and reading it. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The devil is in the detail. Hotel costs have come down, where have those costs gone considering the arrivals are higher than ever.. Sleight of hand.... ". In isolation Clearsprings Ready Homes contract reports to be worth £1bn over 10 years. Their website says they house over 30k. Separately a guardian article claims Clearsprings profits £180M over three years. Mears Group reported £1bn turnover of which £400M was government contract housing asylum (in one year) Serco asylum support accommodation contract reported £1.9bn over 10 years. Clearsprings, Mears group and Serco are leasing from private rented sector The parliamentary select committee interview with a home office representative revealed the home office spend £600,000 a day on 5000 vacant hotel rooms incase there’s an influx. These are significant amounts which with others may or may not be included in the headline figures. Add council / housing benefit costs as well. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The financial question that rarely gets asked is whether the owners of these hotel groups are/were Tory donors? Public money lining private pockets..." HMRC offices at Newcastle are owned by billionaire Tory donors the Reuben brothers, rented to HMRC via offshore BVI company. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The government spent nearly a third less on hotels to house asylum seekers between April 2024 and March 2025. The Home Office's annual accounts, external show £2.1bn was spent on hotel accommodation - an average of about £5.77m per day, down from £3bn or £8.3m per day, the previous year. No mention of the recent media claims of asylum housing costs via Clearsprings and Serco contracts offering above market rents to private rented sector. On the face of it Labour have saved the taxpayer £900 million. " With Labour it's always "on the face of it", but the slippery sleight of hand is always there. Move migrants into private rented accommodation then trumpet "we're spending less on hotels". Like going to the supermarket and saying I've spent less on pork this week but keeping quiet about all the extra beef you've bought. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Almost as if it wasn't the cost or the hotels that was the problem | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Can we be more specific about the group of people who are the subject of this topic? Is it all migrants? Economic migrants? Refugees? Asylum seekers? " Blimey, careful..... almost as if the term illegal migrants was deliberately made up to conflate those issues and confuse the hard of thinking | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"All the usual suspects thinking moving the deckchairs around on the Titanic will save it from sinking. " You mean processing the asylum claims getting the people with genuine claims into society and those without deported? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I was referring to the claim of reduced hotel costs. they are just putting them in HMO'S therefore pushing the rents up for people who are trying to get on the housing ladder. Less housing stock available = higher house prices both to buy or rent." Wouldn't that be the natural progression if they were granted asylum? They go to a HMO, find work and ...you know live | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Valid point, but why don't you ever have a thought for our people who have worked hard and contributed to this country but can't get a place to rent or buy because they have been priced out of the market because of lucrative offers from the government to landlords?" Why blame people wanting to make more of their lives? Just like you or I? Why not blame the system, the political class who have not planned for this? Your punching down, when you need to look up | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Let's make sure our own people are looked after first then look after people that are in desperate need. Charity begins at home." Beyond help. We are the 6th richest economy in the world. It isn't either or it's both. Unless, of course you like the division | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We have millions of children living in poverty,help them first." You seem to have a higherarchy of the deserving. We have departments and ministers and budgets because of you help one you take away from the other. If you try and raise the tide at the same time every boat will rise equally | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I do yes,our own people and I don't and never will alter my opinion. " Sounds completely, rational and open minded | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"We have millions of children living in poverty,help them first." Do you think that if the government left asylum seekers out in the open, they would somehow magically give a fuck about children living in poverty? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Put them in tents,it's good enough for France." Do you think that housing asylum seekers in tents will magically make the government give a fuck about child poverty? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The government spent nearly a third less on hotels to house asylum seekers between April 2024 and March 2025. The Home Office's annual accounts, external show £2.1bn was spent on hotel accommodation - an average of about £5.77m per day, down from £3bn or £8.3m per day, the previous year. No mention of the recent media claims of asylum housing costs via Clearsprings and Serco contracts offering above market rents to private rented sector. On the face of it Labour have saved the taxpayer £900 million. " On the face of it I would say it's good news if this is the result of less arriving and needing accommodation. The use of hotels has been a hot topic so I can see why they are doing what they can to reduce the hotel bill. However I do not see them saying that the overall bill for accommodation has been reduced so has that expense just been moved elsewhere. Given the amount of small boat crossings is possibly going to be more than ever, it begs the question where are they being housed and how much does it cost | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The government spent nearly a third less on hotels to house asylum seekers between April 2024 and March 2025. The Home Office's annual accounts, external show £2.1bn was spent on hotel accommodation - an average of about £5.77m per day, down from £3bn or £8.3m per day, the previous year. No mention of the recent media claims of asylum housing costs via Clearsprings and Serco contracts offering above market rents to private rented sector. On the face of it Labour have saved the taxpayer £900 million. On the face of it I would say it's good news if this is the result of less arriving and needing accommodation. The use of hotels has been a hot topic so I can see why they are doing what they can to reduce the hotel bill. However I do not see them saying that the overall bill for accommodation has been reduced so has that expense just been moved elsewhere. Given the amount of small boat crossings is possibly going to be more than ever, it begs the question where are they being housed and how much does it cost" As I said earlier, moving the deckchairs around on the titanic. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"No thanks." Shame. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Well they are caring enough to let unvetted men into our country and put them up in hotels with all the stuff they need for free so showing compassion to our children in poverty should be a given. " So you do believe that the government would suddenly give a fuck about child poverty? Whats stopping them now? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"No thanks. Shame. " As in, its a shame you don't want to be inquisitive and find out that the picture isn't so cut and dried. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Maybe they favour illegal immigrants over children in poverty, who knows?" So then why would they put asylum seekers (you seem to be confused about terms, it's not illegal to attempt to claim asylum) in tents, and how would that magically make them care about child poverty? Bonus question, do you think they would care about foreigner kids in poverty? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They are illegal immigrants first by definition, they claim asylum when picked up. I'm talking about children in poverty in our country." You seem confused about definitions. But we can move on. You missed the important question, why is it you think that putting asylum seekers in tents will magically make the government give a shit about child poverty? And I was talking about foreign kids in the UK who live in poverty, will they be included in this magic? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Please explain what definitions im confused about. Foreign kids who have a right to be in our country should be treat same as kids born in out country." You seem to have confused immigrants with asylum seekers. I'll try this question again. why is it you think that putting asylum seekers in tents will magically make the government give a shit about child poverty? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Please explain what definitions im confused about. Foreign kids who have a right to be in our country should be treat same as kids born in out country." So, unaccompanied children who have arrived here by boat, plane, cargo container, lorry? Ones who have been displaced from their country of birth and have no living family? What is your definition of 'foreign kids'? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Regarding putting them in tents rather than hotels will be cheaper so put the savings towards getting children out of poverty." Why do you think this might happen? They could put money towards getting children out of poverty right now, and they don't. Are you calling for money to be saved in other areas, or just on housing asylum seekers while their claims are processed? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I would like yo think our present government as child poverty at the top of its list but im not part of the government so who knows. Off out now so chat soon." Well yes, but I've been trying to ask why you're linking putting asylum seekers in tents with a policy shift on tackling child poverty. These things seem entirely unrelated. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I would like yo think our present government as child poverty at the top of its list but im not part of the government so who knows. Off out now so chat soon. Well yes, but I've been trying to ask why you're linking putting asylum seekers in tents with a policy shift on tackling child poverty. These things seem entirely unrelated." Not even correlated, never mind cause and effect. Both are right to address, but not at the expense of each other. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Every new house built is going to be outbalanced by those required to house illegal immigrants. There is real anger among the "working classes", who have been badly let down and ignored by successive governments from Thatcher onwards. Nor are the "middle classes" particularly happy - highest taxation ever for the poorest ever services in 50 years, unaffordable housing, polluted water, dysfunctional justice system, people arrested for using the right to free speech, administrations addicted to costly and illegal wars, another incompetent, authoritarian and deeply unpopular government - welcome to Broken Britain. It's going to be a long, hot summer, in more ways than one." It's not asylum seekers you should be unhappy with but the rich who extract their wealth from the poorest and apparently we're still waiting for the trickle | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days. "Claiming asylum isn't illegal! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
Claiming asylum isn't illegal!"Entering a country by "illegal" means is, yep you guessed it, illegal. Clue in the name. And the Greeks are going to enforce it rigorously. Happy days. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days " Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
Claiming asylum isn't illegal!
Entering a country by "illegal" means is, yep you guessed it, illegal.
Clue in the name.
And the Greeks are going to enforce it rigorously. Happy days. "Not if you claim asylum, the Greeks have been condemned for this law | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco." Says the patriot from Spain | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain "Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days. "I have just read the core changes  Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain
Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny."Well, it's true here you are commenting on British stuff from ...erm Spain | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry. "Right, so fails a claim. The claim for asylum isn't illegal | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal "You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
"You can't claim asylum other than irregular means. It's you who's confused | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused "Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation. The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do. A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea."Due to Brexit and the Dublin agreement. First port of entry | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain
Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny.
Well, it's true here you are commenting on British stuff from ...erm Spain "And you've never commented on American stuff from er... The UK? You could even throw it at Fabio and say he's not entitled to comment about the US because he lives in the UK. (I wouldn't BTW) Seems to be your default position when your actual arguments are starting to get a bit thin. Yes I left the UK over 20 years ago but I still have family there and am FULLY entitled to my opinion. Try to shut me down as you like but my "open for discussion" sign is shining bright. Is yours? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain
Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny.
Well, it's true here you are commenting on British stuff from ...erm Spain
And you've never commented on American stuff from er... The UK?
You could even throw it at Fabio and say he's not entitled to comment about the US because he lives in the UK. (I wouldn't BTW)
Seems to be your default position when your actual arguments are starting to get a bit thin.
Yes I left the UK over 20 years ago but I still have family there and am FULLY entitled to my opinion.
Try to shut me down as you like but my "open for discussion" sign is shining bright.
Is yours?"She does protest too much!! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea."Not a "good idea" a brilliant one if it could be pulled off. We could even rent a bit of the desert and build a deportation airport and a migrant camp. Bloody marvelous. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea.
Not a "good idea" a brilliant one if it could be pulled off.
We could even rent a bit of the desert and build a deportation airport and a migrant camp.
Bloody marvelous."Sounds humane | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain
Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny.
Well, it's true here you are commenting on British stuff from ...erm Spain
And you've never commented on American stuff from er... The UK?
You could even throw it at Fabio and say he's not entitled to comment about the US because he lives in the UK. (I wouldn't BTW)
Seems to be your default position when your actual arguments are starting to get a bit thin.
Yes I left the UK over 20 years ago but I still have family there and am FULLY entitled to my opinion.
Try to shut me down as you like but my "open for discussion" sign is shining bright.
Is yours?
She does protest too much!!
""She" is German and makes me look like a fully paid up lefty. BTW. Enjoying being a grandad. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain
Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny.
Well, it's true here you are commenting on British stuff from ...erm Spain
And you've never commented on American stuff from er... The UK?
You could even throw it at Fabio and say he's not entitled to comment about the US because he lives in the UK. (I wouldn't BTW)
Seems to be your default position when your actual arguments are starting to get a bit thin.
Yes I left the UK over 20 years ago but I still have family there and am FULLY entitled to my opinion.
Try to shut me down as you like but my "open for discussion" sign is shining bright.
Is yours?
She does protest too much!!
"She" is German and makes me look like a fully paid up lefty.
BTW. Enjoying being a grandad."I'm sure, hands off the same your Britishness | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea.
Not a "good idea" a brilliant one if it could be pulled off.
We could even rent a bit of the desert and build a deportation airport and a migrant camp.
Bloody marvelous."The idea of crossing the channel and being taken back to the point of entry, would I imagine be the ultimate deterrent. They would have lost the money on the trip across the Med and Channel, that in itself should stop the boats and smash the gangs... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea.
Not a "good idea" a brilliant one if it could be pulled off.
We could even rent a bit of the desert and build a deportation airport and a migrant camp.
Bloody marvelous.
Sounds humane "Quite frankly I couldn't give a toss about a bunch of chancers who bin their documents and pretend to be from somewhere else. In Germany some of the town halls employed Syrians to flush out the bogus ones. They caught plenty. If they get plonked in the desert it's oh dear, how sad, never mind. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nope, if crossing the Med or the Channel isn't a deterrent! What do you expect is?" Doing it all for nothing would certainly focus the mind. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea.
Not a "good idea" a brilliant one if it could be pulled off.
We could even rent a bit of the desert and build a deportation airport and a migrant camp.
Bloody marvelous.
Sounds humane
Quite frankly I couldn't give a toss about a bunch of chancers who bin their documents and pretend to be from somewhere else.
In Germany some of the town halls employed Syrians to flush out the bogus ones. They caught plenty.
If they get plonked in the desert it's oh dear, how sad, never mind.
"You seem nice..... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nope, if crossing the Med or the Channel isn't a deterrent! What do you expect is?" Ending up where they started minus 5 - 10K | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days.
I have just read the core changes Any person who fails a claim will face a minimum of 2 years in prison is very sensible and something we should adopt immediately.
They are making a hard stop for 3 months, which is something I have advocated for, and anyone crossing will be returned without ID verification, or processing.
They have Libyan support for this and maybe it is something we could do too?
I can see the deterrents in their law changes, whilst they get on top of the issues they have with irregular entry.
Right, so fails a claim.
The claim for asylum isn't illegal
You are getting muddled up, the Greeks are not saying claiming asylum is illegal, they are saying entering their country by irregular methods is.
You can't claim asylum other than irregular means.
It's you who's confused
Bingo, and enforcing sovereign borders is the right of every nation.
The Greeks aren't criminalising asylum itself, they’re criminalising illegal entry, and using that to regain control something we’ve failed to do.
A reason we are have been lacking in that area is returns, as I said earlier, a deal with Libya, could be a very good idea.
Not a "good idea" a brilliant one if it could be pulled off.
We could even rent a bit of the desert and build a deportation airport and a migrant camp.
Bloody marvelous.
Sounds humane
Quite frankly I couldn't give a toss about a bunch of chancers who bin their documents and pretend to be from somewhere else.
In Germany some of the town halls employed Syrians to flush out the bogus ones. They caught plenty.
If they get plonked in the desert it's oh dear, how sad, never mind.
You seem nice....."I'm very nice to people who deserve my niceness. Two bob chancers turning up in Greece or Dover or wherever do not qualify. Next name you want to call me? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nope, if crossing the Med or the Channel isn't a deterrent! What do you expect is? Ending up where they started minus 5 - 10K" Not forgetting a stint in one of the Greek "asylum hotels".  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nope, if crossing the Med or the Channel isn't a deterrent! What do you expect is? Ending up where they started minus 5 - 10K Not forgetting a stint in one of the Greek "asylum hotels". "Much like you did. People seeking a new home? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"You mean people, seeking a new home?" At the tax payers expense, which is not okay when we have so many of our own problems to deal with. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nope, if crossing the Med or the Channel isn't a deterrent! What do you expect is? Ending up where they started minus 5 - 10K Not forgetting a stint in one of the Greek "asylum hotels".
Much like you did. People seeking a new home?"I paid for mine. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days. "It's a weird phenomenon that some immigrants are the most anti-immigrant. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Glad we're making our conclusions on a few days Every little helps. Just ask Tesco. Says the patriot from Spain
Wondered when you's chuck that one in Jonny.
Well, it's true here you are commenting on British stuff from ...erm Spain
And you've never commented on American stuff from er... The UK?
You could even throw it at Fabio and say he's not entitled to comment about the US because he lives in the UK. (I wouldn't BTW)
Seems to be your default position when your actual arguments are starting to get a bit thin.
Yes I left the UK over 20 years ago but I still have family there and am FULLY entitled to my opinion.
Try to shut me down as you like but my "open for discussion" sign is shining bright.
Is yours?"I wonder if we can have an opinion on trump now, given we are in the UK or even the situation in Garza | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Nope, if crossing the Med or the Channel isn't a deterrent! What do you expect is? Ending up where they started minus 5 - 10K" That does sound like a decent deterrent. Personally I don't think I would spend money to put my life at serious risk if I knew that even if I made it across, the authorities would send me straight back. On the plus side, the actions by Greece could have a positive impact on the UK figures | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Due to Brexit and the Dublin agreement. First port of entry" I can't believe how often this gets brought up by clueless people. The Dublin Agreement meant that we could return a very few asylum seekers to the EU, and they could return some to us. It only ever applied to less than 5% of asylum seekers, and in every year that it was in force we received more than we sent back. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days." "It's a weird phenomenon that some immigrants are the most anti-immigrant." Not that weird. Some people have invested a lot of time and money to get a job here, get a visa, work for years, and become a citizen. I imagine it's quite galling to see a whole bunch of people achieving the same end by 'cheating'. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The Greeks seem to have figured out a solution. New law. Enter Greece illegally and it's 5 years in jail or instant deportation. Law came into effect a few days ago, not one boat since. Happy days. It's a weird phenomenon that some immigrants are the most anti-immigrant. Not that weird. Some people have invested a lot of time and money to get a job here, get a visa, work for years, and become a citizen. I imagine it's quite galling to see a whole bunch of people achieving the same end by 'cheating'." I'm not saying they believe the anti-immigrant propaganda, bullshit like "a whole bunch of people achieving the same end by 'cheating'.". They're not all Daily Mail readers. But the "pulling up the ladder" phenomena is definitely a thing. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The government spent nearly a third less on hotels to house asylum seekers between April 2024 and March 2025. The Home Office's annual accounts, external show £2.1bn was spent on hotel accommodation - an average of about £5.77m per day, down from £3bn or £8.3m per day, the previous year. No mention of the recent media claims of asylum housing costs via Clearsprings and Serco contracts offering above market rents to private rented sector. On the face of it Labour have saved the taxpayer £900 million. " And you believe this do you? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
