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"Four MP’s suspended over objection to the welfare bills attack on the disabled Corbyn suspended, now Abbot. 16 year olds given the vote, until they complain about Palestine. Tries to ban Kneecap from Glastonbury While Starmer, Reeves and Rayner get free clothes from donor Ali No more white saviours Lammy just given £70million to Singapore and £94.5 million to new Syrian Isis government while UK reportedly has a black hole Starmers Labour is laughable, everyone knows it except him. Four years left. " He’s such a prick. | |||
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"It's so wrong. Starmer just dislikes her. All prejudice is felt differently. But when it's based on skin colour it is far more present than a characteristic that is not immediately apparent. I believe that's all she was saying. " We know what Starmer is and that’s why a lot of us didn’t vote for him. He’s not an ally of Black people and I don’t fuck with that | |||
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"It's so wrong. Starmer just dislikes her. All prejudice is felt differently. But when it's based on skin colour it is far more present than a characteristic that is not immediately apparent. I believe that's all she was saying. " And yet she's an MP in North London where Orthodox Jews are incredibly visible. | |||
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"It's so wrong. Starmer just dislikes her. All prejudice is felt differently. But when it's based on skin colour it is far more present than a characteristic that is not immediately apparent. I believe that's all she was saying. And yet she's an MP in North London where Orthodox Jews are incredibly visible. " The rationale is that, if they choose to hide their identity, then they could. They could shave their side locks and beards, wear jeans and trainers and "pass as white British". The issue is that it's potentially offensive to both blacks and orthodox Jewish people. It *COULD* imply that perhaps black people want to change their skin, or would if they could, and that orthodox Jews only suffer from a problem of their own making. It is highly unlikely that she consciously meant either of these things. People should generally not downplay the experiences of others (even as is relative to their own experiences), and politicians should really know better. The open sore here is the previous comments that suggested Jews and Irish travellers don't suffer from racism... while people in her constituency lived through a government searching through official records to determine their "race" in order to exterminate them. We once went to see Daliso Chaponda (the comedian) live. He opened up to suggestions for a topic from the audience. Brave move, but he's a great comedian. Someone said "the genocide in Gaza!". He looked at the person and said "what, you want to destroy my career? Well done, sir, you win" (and shook his hand). He then said words to the effect of: Look, it's a tragedy, what's happening there. But it's not my tragedy, and I can't talk about someone else's tragedy, not least to bring comedy into it. But I can talk about my experiences, my tragedies. My parents come from Malawi...(and he went on about the despotic government there, bringing humour into his parents' flight from there). This is a masterclass in discussing the tragedies of others, especially as a public figure in a public forum. If you're doing anything other than supporting people through their problems, it's probably best to leave them alone, even if you have your own problems. Someone will be offended by any comparison, no matter how terrible your own problems are. | |||
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"It's so wrong. Starmer just dislikes her. All prejudice is felt differently. But when it's based on skin colour it is far more present than a characteristic that is not immediately apparent. I believe that's all she was saying. And yet she's an MP in North London where Orthodox Jews are incredibly visible. " The point made was not that Cheredi Jewish people won’t experience racism, but that the experience of racism people face BASED ON SKIN COLOUR is a different kind of racism and is largely based on different things. In the interview she also speaks about the community in Hackney. It is willfully obtuse to pretend that what is being described here is untrue. BLACK JEWISH PEOPLE have spoken about this experience. Baddiel’s niece told him of this experience and her fears for her mum compared to her dad | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get." Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either " White people don't get discriminated against, when we visit majority black countries we get treated differently by being put on a pedestal | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either " And this is the statement of privilege. And even if you went to a Caribbean or African country would you be open to see? | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either " She has been clear, throughout her career and recently, that she's against racism and prejudice, of all types. Her honesty is refreshing, as is her care for others, including Jewish people, whilst she's surrounded by people on all sides, who aren't as plain-speaking , honest and empathetic as she is. Her maturity and expertise should be honoured and respected. I'd prefer an honest politician any day, to a wonk that spouts an official line and might as well be an AI tool. | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either She has been clear, throughout her career and recently, that she's against racism and prejudice, of all types. Her honesty is refreshing, as is her care for others, including Jewish people, whilst she's surrounded by people on all sides, who aren't as plain-speaking , honest and empathetic as she is. Her maturity and expertise should be honoured and respected. I'd prefer an honest politician any day, to a wonk that spouts an official line and might as well be an AI tool." Unfortunately she wasn't clear, about Jews and gingers. That's the problem. She is correct in saying that black and brown people experience racism differently. They can't hide. However, Jewish people do suffer racism and she's failed to differentiate! | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either And this is the statement of privilege. And even if you went to a Caribbean or African country would you be open to see?" "And this is the statement of privilege" 
You don't have to go a majority black/white/brown country to experience racism, Racism is racism whatever the colour of your skin is | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either And this is the statement of privilege. And even if you went to a Caribbean or African country would you be open to see? "And this is the statement of privilege"
You don't have to go a majority black/white/brown country to experience racism, Racism is racism whatever the colour of your skin is"Why do you roll your eyes? | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either White people don't get discriminated against, when we visit majority black countries we get treated differently by being put on a pedestal " Because of previous generations of colonialism. I’ve once been called sir holding a door open for a young boy, which i found embarrassing. | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either And this is the statement of privilege. And even if you went to a Caribbean or African country would you be open to see? "And this is the statement of privilege"
You don't have to go a majority black/white/brown country to experience racism, Racism is racism whatever the colour of your skin is"Indeed racism is racism and can affect people of any colour or background. I understand Diane's point about being black is far more obvious than say being Jewish or Muslim. That said, although an orthodox Jew can choose to just not wear their outfit so as to disguise their religious background, why should they have to change what they want to wear. Same with those that wear the burka or hijab. They can wear more western clothing to blend in and avoid possible racist problems but again why should they. | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either And this is the statement of privilege. And even if you went to a Caribbean or African country would you be open to see? "And this is the statement of privilege"
You don't have to go a majority black/white/brown country to experience racism, Racism is racism whatever the colour of your skin is
Indeed racism is racism and can affect people of any colour or background. I understand Diane's point about being black is far more obvious than say being Jewish or Muslim. That said, although an orthodox Jew can choose to just not wear their outfit so as to disguise their religious background, why should they have to change what they want to wear. Same with those that wear the burka or hijab. They can wear more western clothing to blend in and avoid possible racist problems but again why should they. "I agree, why should they? However ‘why’ was not the point that was being made, the point being made was that they could. I think there’s nuance to the issue. But I do think something that’s come from the entire thing has been raging anti blackness and misogynoir getting cheered on. | |||
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"I believe that any racism is racism. However. Sl@very of black people began when? Persecution of travellers and Jews began long before. Any racism is unacceptable. " Please tell me this post is a fucking joke? ‘However’ Yuck. And there’s so much more to unpack about this comment wow. | |||
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"I believe that any racism is racism. However. Sl@very of black people began when? Persecution of travellers and Jews began long before. Any racism is unacceptable. " Discrimination against blacks (or those darker than others) has been around for millenia - in some cultures more than others. Within many societies, darker people faced discrimination. This is not limited to Europeans vs Africans - look at India as an example, or the Arabic equivalent of N**** - Abd (the word means "sl@ve" as is used variously as a slur or common vernacular (in some regions) for black person); this is despite Mohammed speaking out against racism/colourism (which implies that it was rife at the time). Even in the UK, "blue blooded" meant that blue veins were visible through pale skin (i.e. not working class, who got tanned). While some of these examples are more recent and are partly the result of colonialism and class, discrimination based on race/colour demonstrably goes back thousands of years. Probably before the Traveller groups we know of nowadays in the UK ever existed. It is also probable that discrimination based upon colour existed before Jews did. | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either White people don't get discriminated against, when we visit majority black countries we get treated differently by being put on a pedestal Because of previous generations of colonialism. I’ve once been called sir holding a door open for a young boy, which i found embarrassing. " Exactly, so this whole notion of white people experiencing racism is absolute....bull!! What she was saying is true, Roma, Jewish or even gays can choose to show their identity. Black people can't!! | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either White people don't get discriminated against, when we visit majority black countries we get treated differently by being put on a pedestal Because of previous generations of colonialism. I’ve once been called sir holding a door open for a young boy, which i found embarrassing. Exactly, so this whole notion of white people experiencing racism is absolute....bull!! What she was saying is true, Roma, Jewish or even gays can choose to show their identity. Black people can't!!" You have echoed Abbott’s original letter, the very one she apologised for. You are wrong to suggest that others can’t experience racism. The fact that some people can choose to hide parts of their identity doesn’t mean they don't face discrimination. In fact, it proves the opposite that when they are recognised, they often do face racism or prejudices. Nobody mentioned “gay”, sexuality is not race, and it shouldn’t be conflated with racial discrimination. Racism affects people differently, but that doesn’t mean it is exclusive to any one group. | |||
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"What she's saying is right. Comparing Jews and Roma people to gingers is nonsensical. However, black and brown people can't hide their identity. They will suffer a form of racism different to the others. That isn't to lessen the hate other people get. Same goes for whatever the skin colour is, I can't hide my white skin either White people don't get discriminated against, when we visit majority black countries we get treated differently by being put on a pedestal Because of previous generations of colonialism. I’ve once been called sir holding a door open for a young boy, which i found embarrassing. Exactly, so this whole notion of white people experiencing racism is absolute....bull!! What she was saying is true, Roma, Jewish or even gays can choose to show their identity. Black people can't!! You have echoed Abbott’s original letter, the very one she apologised for. You are wrong to suggest that others can’t experience racism. The fact that some people can choose to hide parts of their identity doesn’t mean they don't face discrimination. In fact, it proves the opposite that when they are recognised, they often do face racism or prejudices. Nobody mentioned “gay”, sexuality is not race, and it shouldn’t be conflated with racial discrimination. Racism affects people differently, but that doesn’t mean it is exclusive to any one group." I haven't said that Roma and Jewish people can't experience racism! They can and do and it's wrong! What I've said is they can choose to display their minority. Making a comparison with gay is completely right, you can choose to be out and camp. What she did wrong in her original letter was downplaying the racism experienced by Jewish people and Roma people to being ginger. Happy to clarify | |||
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