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"get a better paid job .... simple" I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. " that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy | |||
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"Not popular but…. The pension age has to rise. Historically people lived on state pensions for 4-6 years, now is over 10 years. Deport all foreign nationals who are in prison. Stop using hotels for asylum seekers, portacabins and bunk beds are fine. That’s better than the torture chamber they claim to be fleeing from. No dependants allowed to be brought in if the new migrant isn’t working and in any case, not for the first couple of years and not if they will be claiming any benefits. Stop the seemingly never ending appeals process with, the translators and the lawyers are milking the system. Immediately deport all the asylum seekers who are working illegally, if they can’t obey laws now they never will. Massive fines for companies they used them. Anyone who claimed asylum from a dictatorship that gets removed should be returned there. Syria for example. Trim the civil service back to pre Covid levels. Take back them bloody islands and/or stop paying rent on them. But if we have to rent it, send all asylum seekers there until their case is heard in say 40 years time. Stop sending aid to any counties that refuses to take their citizens back when we want to deport them. Stop sending aid to countries with a space programs. Get rid of any job role in the public sector that includes the words inclusion and/or diversity. Remove all expenses for MPs and civil servants unless they are overseas on state business. Everyone else has to pay their own travel etc. Introduce a new income tax band for earnings over £250k per year at 50% Set a maximum term for unemployment benefits of say 5 years and they can’t reclaim for another 2 years and then the maximum period of claim is 2 years. Investigate all the “usual suspects” when it comes to PIP and DLA. Bad back, anxiety etc. Require the repayment of all monies in fake claims and never be allowed to claim again. Stop all state funding of nursery places it a parent isnt in work. If we’re paying you to stay at home, the least you can do is look after your own kids. Lower rate corporation tax for overseas companies who relocate their headquarters here if their turnover is over £100 million. This creates jobs and generates tax revenue we didn’t have. 10% levy on international companies worth over say £500 million who want to trade in the UK that don’t pay tax here. I’m thinking Starbucks, Amazon, Apple, Tesla, Google, Meta etc. a licence, whatever, call it what you want but they are extracting billions from the UK and not paying tax here. I’ll put my tin hat on and wait for the onslaught " You would get my vote | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy " Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. " no they don't .... as one climbs one retires early and steps off the ladder with a tidy pension making plenty of room for other to get on and keep climbing. this is how it's always been .... since forever.  | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. no they don't .... as one climbs one retires early and steps off the ladder with a tidy pension making plenty of room for other to get on and keep climbing. this is how it's always been .... since forever. "Taking a tidy pension only happens in the public sector. Private sector pensions are a fraction of final salary. But promotion is like climbing a pyramid. A medium sized company might have one owner, 5 senior managers. 20 middle managers, 100 junior managers and 1000 workers. In this scenario if a senior manager leaves and the company promotes from within, only 0.1% of the workforce gets the opportunity to climb the ladder. And many small companies don’t have the opportunity of promotion. Take my last employer. There was my boss and 8 staff. Yeah I could leave and get a better paid job, but there was no ladder to climb. 3 of my last 4 jobs were exactly the same. One had 30 odd staff but there was no ladder. 3 admin ran a team of 25 drivers, all 28 on the same pay, with my boss and his sister jointly owning the company. I’m not disagreeing with the principle you’re putting forward, I agree with it. But as another example, the only way a burger flipper at Mackies can become a manager without negatively affecting an existing manager is if a new branch opens. | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. no they don't .... as one climbs one retires early and steps off the ladder with a tidy pension making plenty of room for other to get on and keep climbing. this is how it's always been .... since forever.
Taking a tidy pension only happens in the public sector. Private sector pensions are a fraction of final salary.
But promotion is like climbing a pyramid. A medium sized company might have one owner, 5 senior managers. 20 middle managers, 100 junior managers and 1000 workers. In this scenario if a senior manager leaves and the company promotes from within, only 0.1% of the workforce gets the opportunity to climb the ladder.
And many small companies don’t have the opportunity of promotion. Take my last employer. There was my boss and 8 staff. Yeah I could leave and get a better paid job, but there was no ladder to climb. 3 of my last 4 jobs were exactly the same. One had 30 odd staff but there was no ladder. 3 admin ran a team of 25 drivers, all 28 on the same pay, with my boss and his sister jointly owning the company.
I’m not disagreeing with the principle you’re putting forward, I agree with it. But as another example, the only way a burger flipper at Mackies can become a manager without negatively affecting an existing manager is if a new branch opens.
"again, very one dimensional. the only thing that stops people from aspiring is lazyness .... and at that point they start to moan about things like lack of oportunity or tax etc. | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. no they don't .... as one climbs one retires early and steps off the ladder with a tidy pension making plenty of room for other to get on and keep climbing. this is how it's always been .... since forever.
Taking a tidy pension only happens in the public sector. Private sector pensions are a fraction of final salary.
But promotion is like climbing a pyramid. A medium sized company might have one owner, 5 senior managers. 20 middle managers, 100 junior managers and 1000 workers. In this scenario if a senior manager leaves and the company promotes from within, only 0.1% of the workforce gets the opportunity to climb the ladder.
And many small companies don’t have the opportunity of promotion. Take my last employer. There was my boss and 8 staff. Yeah I could leave and get a better paid job, but there was no ladder to climb. 3 of my last 4 jobs were exactly the same. One had 30 odd staff but there was no ladder. 3 admin ran a team of 25 drivers, all 28 on the same pay, with my boss and his sister jointly owning the company.
I’m not disagreeing with the principle you’re putting forward, I agree with it. But as another example, the only way a burger flipper at Mackies can become a manager without negatively affecting an existing manager is if a new branch opens.
again, very one dimensional. the only thing that stops people from aspiring is lazyness .... and at that point they start to moan about things like lack of oportunity or tax etc."My point is no more one dimensional than yours. If you’re gonna argue with someone agreeing with you then the conversation is over. 😊 | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy " The career ladder is all well and good but remember, the ones looking down see sad faces and the ones looking up see arse holes.  | |||
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"Quadruple tax on tobacco and make vapes the same. Put the same duty as tobacco on off license sales of alcohol. Give the pubs a chance. Put the same duty in sugar. Might not make the country richer but certainly healthier " These’s emerging evidence that artificial sugars are absorbed into the body in a way not previously considered. If so, they are no better for you than natural sugar. And Aspartame has been designated as carcinogenic by the WHO so I’m not sure it’s consumption should be encouraged any more than it already is. | |||
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"Quadruple tax on tobacco and make vapes the same. Put the same duty as tobacco on off license sales of alcohol. Give the pubs a chance. Put the same duty in sugar. Might not make the country richer but certainly healthier These’s emerging evidence that artificial sugars are absorbed into the body in a way not previously considered. If so, they are no better for you than natural sugar. And Aspartame has been designated as carcinogenic by the WHO so I’m not sure it’s consumption should be encouraged any more than it already is. " Yes, tax it  | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. no they don't .... as one climbs one retires early and steps off the ladder with a tidy pension making plenty of room for other to get on and keep climbing. this is how it's always been .... since forever.
Taking a tidy pension only happens in the public sector. Private sector pensions are a fraction of final salary.
But promotion is like climbing a pyramid. A medium sized company might have one owner, 5 senior managers. 20 middle managers, 100 junior managers and 1000 workers. In this scenario if a senior manager leaves and the company promotes from within, only 0.1% of the workforce gets the opportunity to climb the ladder.
And many small companies don’t have the opportunity of promotion. Take my last employer. There was my boss and 8 staff. Yeah I could leave and get a better paid job, but there was no ladder to climb. 3 of my last 4 jobs were exactly the same. One had 30 odd staff but there was no ladder. 3 admin ran a team of 25 drivers, all 28 on the same pay, with my boss and his sister jointly owning the company.
I’m not disagreeing with the principle you’re putting forward, I agree with it. But as another example, the only way a burger flipper at Mackies can become a manager without negatively affecting an existing manager is if a new branch opens.
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"Quadruple tax on tobacco and make vapes the same. Put the same duty as tobacco on off license sales of alcohol. Give the pubs a chance. Put the same duty in sugar. Might not make the country richer but certainly healthier " Duties on sugar is a given and anything containing sugar in a presentage. | |||
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"Quadruple tax on tobacco and make vapes the same. Put the same duty as tobacco on off license sales of alcohol. Give the pubs a chance. Put the same duty in sugar. Might not make the country richer but certainly healthier These’s emerging evidence that artificial sugars are absorbed into the body in a way not previously considered. If so, they are no better for you than natural sugar. And Aspartame has been designated as carcinogenic by the WHO so I’m not sure it’s consumption should be encouraged any more than it already is. " Go back to the 11th century there was no sugar in the UK. Until the 17th / 18th century it was a luxury. Take it back to luxury 1% next April rising by 1% each year there after up to 50% watch brands and items reduce sugar. And tax replacement at the same rate. | |||
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"get a better paid job .... simple I’d agree with that answer for individuals. But for society as a whole it’s not an answer. No more than 50% can get a better paid job at any given time and that would mean the other 50% are getting a lesser paid job. that's nonsense ... climb the ladder and make room on the rungs below you for others to get on and start climbing instead of being lazy Again, I agree entirely. But unless new jobs are being created and that’s just not happening at the moment, for a middle manager as an example to take a senior managers job, the senior manager has to go somewhere. Possibly retire or sacked for incompetence? So they are now on less money. As I say, individuals can and should do what you suggest, but as one climbs, one falls. Everyone can’t be a manager. no they don't .... as one climbs one retires early and steps off the ladder with a tidy pension making plenty of room for other to get on and keep climbing. this is how it's always been .... since forever.
Taking a tidy pension only happens in the public sector. Private sector pensions are a fraction of final salary.
But promotion is like climbing a pyramid. A medium sized company might have one owner, 5 senior managers. 20 middle managers, 100 junior managers and 1000 workers. In this scenario if a senior manager leaves and the company promotes from within, only 0.1% of the workforce gets the opportunity to climb the ladder.
And many small companies don’t have the opportunity of promotion. Take my last employer. There was my boss and 8 staff. Yeah I could leave and get a better paid job, but there was no ladder to climb. 3 of my last 4 jobs were exactly the same. One had 30 odd staff but there was no ladder. 3 admin ran a team of 25 drivers, all 28 on the same pay, with my boss and his sister jointly owning the company.
I’m not disagreeing with the principle you’re putting forward, I agree with it. But as another example, the only way a burger flipper at Mackies can become a manager without negatively affecting an existing manager is if a new branch opens.
If its a small company doing well in a sector and there is little to no chance of promotion what is stopping you setting up a competition company and being that boss. "I guess that would depend on the business. Most businesses need some start up capital. There could be licence requirements. Premises to source and finance. All sorts But being in business isn’t about doing the job it’s about getting the work in the first place. 50% of all new startups fail in the first two years and the figure rises to 80% within 5 years. Usually because they know fuck all about marketing but there are other factors | |||
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" The only thing that stops people from aspiring is lazyness .... and at that point they start to moan about things like lack of opportunity or tax etc." I would counter that with aspiration is not always a good thing. Many aspire beyond their capabilities, and then cause issues. My friend works in a biscuit factory on the production line. He's been making custard creams since he was 18. He's 51 now. He is in the same role today essentially as he was when he was 18. He said to me "I've been offered team leader, shift manager and goodness knows what else. All with an extra few pence an hour. The problem is, I know I am good at what I do. I am happy doing what I do. I like doing what I do. If I move to another role, will I be happy ? Will my loss affect the line ? Will be be promoted beyond my capabilities and be miserable ? That serves no one. I'll be on this line until I retire making the best custard creams I can. And that makes me happy at work. Few ever are." . And I thought to myself, "Well, he does have a point and a good one at that". | |||
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" The only thing that stops people from aspiring is lazyness .... and at that point they start to moan about things like lack of opportunity or tax etc. I would counter that with aspiration is not always a good thing. Many aspire beyond their capabilities, and then cause issues. My friend works in a biscuit factory on the production line. He's been making custard creams since he was 18. He's 51 now. He is in the same role today essentially as he was when he was 18. He said to me "I've been offered team leader, shift manager and goodness knows what else. All with an extra few pence an hour. The problem is, I know I am good at what I do. I am happy doing what I do. I like doing what I do. If I move to another role, will I be happy ? Will my loss affect the line ? Will be be promoted beyond my capabilities and be miserable ? That serves no one. I'll be on this line until I retire making the best custard creams I can. And that makes me happy at work. Few ever are." . And I thought to myself, "Well, he does have a point and a good one at that". " Very true. In direct sales, the best sales person is often promoted to sales manager with disastrous consequences. They lose their best sales person and gain a terrible manager. Double whammy. | |||
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"Very true. In direct sales, the best sales person is often promoted to sales manager with disastrous consequences. They lose their best sales person and gain a terrible manager. Double whammy. " I've seen it and witnessed this time and time again across all industries and types of sector. The promotion of competent people in to a position where they become incompetent. Then everyone suffers as a result. For the life of me, there is a book about this and I can't remember the writer, but it was a seminal work. | |||
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" The only thing that stops people from aspiring is lazyness .... and at that point they start to moan about things like lack of opportunity or tax etc. I would counter that with aspiration is not always a good thing. Many aspire beyond their capabilities, and then cause issues. My friend works in a biscuit factory on the production line. He's been making custard creams since he was 18. He's 51 now. He is in the same role today essentially as he was when he was 18. He said to me "I've been offered team leader, shift manager and goodness knows what else. All with an extra few pence an hour. The problem is, I know I am good at what I do. I am happy doing what I do. I like doing what I do. If I move to another role, will I be happy ? Will my loss affect the line ? Will be be promoted beyond my capabilities and be miserable ? That serves no one. I'll be on this line until I retire making the best custard creams I can. And that makes me happy at work. Few ever are." . And I thought to myself, "Well, he does have a point and a good one at that". " Couldn't he go over to making Bourbons for a few months? It can't be any more complicated and he would smell of something different for a while. As they say, "A change is as good as a rest"... | |||
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"Quadruple tax on tobacco and make vapes the same. Put the same duty as tobacco on off license sales of alcohol. Give the pubs a chance. Put the same duty in sugar. Might not make the country richer but certainly healthier These’s emerging evidence that artificial sugars are absorbed into the body in a way not previously considered. If so, they are no better for you than natural sugar. And Aspartame has been designated as carcinogenic by the WHO so I’m not sure it’s consumption should be encouraged any more than it already is. Go back to the 11th century there was no sugar in the UK. Until the 17th / 18th century it was a luxury. Take it back to luxury 1% next April rising by 1% each year there after up to 50% watch brands and items reduce sugar. And tax replacement at the same rate." This makes me laugh… do I know how a full on sugar tax wouldn’t work How many of you skip past the “low sugar low salt “ baked means right now!
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"The simple truth is that we, as a nation, are living beyond our means. We have a perfect storm of overly generous welfare support, poorly managed government capital expenditure, inefficiently run government enterprises, unfettered immigration and a demographic of sickly and ageing citizens. It sounds a bit Daily Mail-ish I know (I never read it) but nonetheless some stark truths in there. In summary, higher taxes are inevitable." Raising tax is a vicious circle. Governments are always finding more things to spend money on and increasing the spend that we already do. Raising taxes to cover that works for a couple of years then we have the same issue all over again. Before the First World War, gov spending was 11% of gdp, now it’s close to 45%. Ok a big chunk of that is the NHS which didn’t exist back then and people would have had to pay to see a doctor. 40% of all taxes are spent on the NHS and a lot of people think we need to spend more. You hear the phrase “increase income tax by 1% and give it to the NHS”. That would generate £6.9 billion in the 2026-2027 tax year. Labour just threw £29 billion at it and what have we got to show for it? £6.9 billion would make no difference! The beast is too big, it needs chopping into smaller chunks to become more manageable and make it easier to see where savings could be made and where extra funding should be spent. | |||
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"The simple truth is that we, as a nation, are living beyond our means. We have a perfect storm of overly generous welfare support, poorly managed government capital expenditure, inefficiently run government enterprises, unfettered immigration and a demographic of sickly and ageing citizens. It sounds a bit Daily Mail-ish I know (I never read it) but nonetheless some stark truths in there. In summary, higher taxes are inevitable. Raising tax is a vicious circle. Governments are always finding more things to spend money on and increasing the spend that we already do. Raising taxes to cover that works for a couple of years then we have the same issue all over again. Before the First World War, gov spending was 11% of gdp, now it’s close to 45%. Ok a big chunk of that is the NHS which didn’t exist back then and people would have had to pay to see a doctor. 40% of all taxes are spent on the NHS and a lot of people think we need to spend more. You hear the phrase “increase income tax by 1% and give it to the NHS”. That would generate £6.9 billion in the 2026-2027 tax year. Labour just threw £29 billion at it and what have we got to show for it? £6.9 billion would make no difference! The beast is too big, it needs chopping into smaller chunks to become more manageable and make it easier to see where savings could be made and where extra funding should be spent. " Life expectancy prior to WW1 was 50 You had to pay for your health care. Women died in child birth often. If that's your vision for Britain, be honest | |||
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"Happy to fund the NHS, but it is the most inefficient organisation in the UK. Billions could be saved every year if it was run properly. Layer upon layer of management rather than a focus on medical staff. As for aspiration, totally agree that people should work hard, and contribute to society, but there needs to be a balance. Everyone in this country has the same opportunities, but when govt constantly targets those who do aspire and do well for themselves it acts as a disincentive. " "Everyone in this country has the same opportunities". Are you talking about the UK? | |||
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"Yes, I went to a state school from a working class family, worked hard, went to uni and have done well. Got taught by my parents the values of hard work and treating people well. If you want to succeed it's in your gift to do so. I've paid more tax in my life than I would have ever expected, and don't have a problem with that, what I have a problem with, the same as is business is I expect value for money and us taxpayers are not getting that." i agree, there's far too many chancers in business now and all they want is free money and handouts from the taxpayer. these zombie businesspeople are spoiling it for the ligitimate entrepeneurs and rinsing the country | |||
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