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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. " Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however." Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025. | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025." What makes you say she is not hard left? | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025." 
Just where that thinking (if objectivity applies) puts people like Truss, Jenrick, Mogg etc..?
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025. What makes you say she is not hard left? " I guess the point is that the political spectrum has been pulled so far to the right that someone who would have been considered centre, is now considered "hard left". | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025. What makes you say she is not hard left? I guess the point is that the political spectrum has been pulled so far to the right that someone who would have been considered centre, is now considered "hard left"." There has been far left and far right for as long as I can remember. I don’t think Reform or right wing tories are any further to the right than Norman Tebbit was in the 80s. And I don’t think Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn are any further left than Tony Benn was in the 80s. There are fringe views of course, we have a communist party now as we did back then, but they are never gonna take office, any more than Tommy Robinson is or Enoch Powell would have. | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025. What makes you say she is not hard left? I guess the point is that the political spectrum has been pulled so far to the right that someone who would have been considered centre, is now considered "hard left"." Other than Corbyn and his cohorts, who else would you consider to be the face of the hard left? Remember, she was aligned with the Corbyn era manifestos, she has called tories scum and is more favourable to the unions than any other labour MP I can think of. That is just scratching the surface. | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025. What makes you say she is not hard left? I guess the point is that the political spectrum has been pulled so far to the right that someone who would have been considered centre, is now considered "hard left". There has been far left and far right for as long as I can remember. I don’t think Reform or right wing tories are any further to the right than Norman Tebbit was in the 80s. And I don’t think Diane Abbott or Jeremy Corbyn are any further left than Tony Benn was in the 80s. There are fringe views of course, we have a communist party now as we did back then, but they are never gonna take office, any more than Tommy Robinson is or Enoch Powell would have. " I agree with your assessment. Maybe Reform with their inflammatory rhetoric "invasion" etc when talking about foreigners are further to the right. But then again, I don't remember Norman Tebbit's rhetoric. | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however. Imagine thinking Rayner is "hard left". Welcome to 2025. What makes you say she is not hard left? I guess the point is that the political spectrum has been pulled so far to the right that someone who would have been considered centre, is now considered "hard left". Other than Corbyn and his cohorts, who else would you consider to be the face of the hard left? Remember, she was aligned with the Corbyn era manifestos, she has called tories scum and is more favourable to the unions than any other labour MP I can think of. That is just scratching the surface." Calling Tories "scum" is terrible behaviour for an MP. But that doesn't indicate how far left she is. And I think you illustrated my point perfectly, unions, workers rights etc is "left", because it's simply for the benefit of workers. But calling it "hard left" is as a result of everything being pulled further to the right. | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch." What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? " The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. " What about in the real world where people aren't in a blind panic about foreigners? Just the shortfall on new houses, which has plenty of time? | |||
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"Cabinet reshuffles don’t often include the chancellor, especially after the first full year. It will say a lot if his first one does. I think a lot rests on the next set of GDP figures, but he will also want to create an air of stability. If he does replace reeves, putting in someone who’s good at u-turns would be wise. " Reeves with the faux CV was a poor choice when he could have appointed Dr Miatta Fahnbullah ( PhD economic development ). As for Rayner, the instructions on a box of Lego knows more about housing delivery | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. What about in the real world where people aren't in a blind panic about foreigners? Just the shortfall on new houses, which has plenty of time?" Are you sure people in the real world aren't worried about the influx of small boats? The polls are putting reform in front for a reason. | |||
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"Who do you think will be the first to go? If you’re a Labour supporter, which one would you keep/ditch? " I suspect Reeves first but only when SKS determines it will cost him his position to keep her on. Same for past PM's in that they usually spend months backing the chancellor so does not look great to then sack them. Most likely my guess is they will tough it out hoping for improvement | |||
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"Mrs rayner will remove Mr Starmer in a fight for the leadership to save the party." Who’s going to back her. She is regarded by many in her own party as the dimmest in Westminster. | |||
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"Mrs rayner will remove Mr Starmer in a fight for the leadership to save the party. Who’s going to back her. She is regarded by many in her own party as the dimmest in Westminster. " Do you believe Mr starmer will be in the position of pm at the next election. | |||
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"Mrs rayner will remove Mr Starmer in a fight for the leadership to save the party. Who’s going to back her. She is regarded by many in her own party as the dimmest in Westminster. Do you believe Mr starmer will be in the position of pm at the next election. " Quite possibly. I can’t see Reeves, Rayner or Lammy in that role | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. What about in the real world where people aren't in a blind panic about foreigners? Just the shortfall on new houses, which has plenty of time? Are you sure people in the real world aren't worried about the influx of small boats? The polls are putting reform in front for a reason." Yeah of course, we can see in the opinion polls that lots of people are being wound up by the anti-immigrant propaganda. | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. What about in the real world where people aren't in a blind panic about foreigners? Just the shortfall on new houses, which has plenty of time? Are you sure people in the real world aren't worried about the influx of small boats? The polls are putting reform in front for a reason." It's been a hot topic for quite a while now. The Tories failed and were held accountable at the election quite rightly in my opinion. Labour came in promising a new approach of smashing the gangs. So far this has also not been a success and we have some if the highest numbers ever crossing. They do however still have time to turn this around. If they also end up failing on this I suspect the electorate will not be sympathetic come election time | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. What about in the real world where people aren't in a blind panic about foreigners? Just the shortfall on new houses, which has plenty of time? Are you sure people in the real world aren't worried about the influx of small boats? The polls are putting reform in front for a reason. It's been a hot topic for quite a while now. The Tories failed and were held accountable at the election quite rightly in my opinion. Labour came in promising a new approach of smashing the gangs. So far this has also not been a success and we have some if the highest numbers ever crossing. They do however still have time to turn this around. If they also end up failing on this I suspect the electorate will not be sympathetic come election time" It largely depends on if the media continues it's anti-immigrant campaign or not. I suspect it will, so a portion of the electorate will vote for the party that spreads the most vitriol towards asylum seekers/immigrants/Muslims/foreigners. | |||
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"They all need to go. Useless bunch. What should they have done, that they didn't, based on the fiscal options and their election pledges? The gangs aren’t smashed. Small boat arrivals +46% The 300,000 new homes commitment is 96,000 short. What about in the real world where people aren't in a blind panic about foreigners? Just the shortfall on new houses, which has plenty of time? Are you sure people in the real world aren't worried about the influx of small boats? The polls are putting reform in front for a reason. It's been a hot topic for quite a while now. The Tories failed and were held accountable at the election quite rightly in my opinion. Labour came in promising a new approach of smashing the gangs. So far this has also not been a success and we have some if the highest numbers ever crossing. They do however still have time to turn this around. If they also end up failing on this I suspect the electorate will not be sympathetic come election time It largely depends on if the media continues it's anti-immigrant campaign or not. I suspect it will, so a portion of the electorate will vote for the party that spreads the most vitriol towards asylum seekers/immigrants/Muslims/foreigners." What are you classing as anti immigrant articles? I read the BBC more than other outlets but do try to take in a few others as well. On all outlets I see articles saying how many crossed in a particular week, especially if it was a large number or as is sometimes tragically the case, some have lost their lives. To me that is stating a fact so not anti immigrant at all. I also see articles saying how many are in hotels and how much that costs. Again to me that is stating a fact so not anti immigrant. Sometimes there are articles where immigrants have committed crimes. As long as the facts are said and those involved are given due process the again to me that is stating a fact so not anti immigrant. If things are published that are incorrect then that is not good at all and I took would not want to see such articles. I don't recall any like this but happy to comdem any examples you give that are not stating facts | |||
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"Who do you think will be the first to go? If you’re a Labour supporter, which one would you keep/ditch? " I think their doing a pretty good job. His island of strangers was a low point. Reeves is good, the economy is still stagnant, granted. But she's investing in the right places, their just not fast fixes. Personally I don't like the performative cruelty of Yvette Cooper, although she is bringing the asylums list down. | |||
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"Many people I talk to share the view that one or both will go, some say Starmer won’t last to Christmas. I’m not convinced either will be gone in a hurry. Both are still chatting the same shit while their MP’s openly admitted Labour have failed. And what about Rayner, those 1.5 million homes never getting built. Rayner is the face of the hard left, she is going nowhere for now.... Reeves, however." Hard left? For now? She has her own mandate! What do you call corbyn of Angela is hard left? The women who tried to explain the governments position of Pip reduction. Sounds like a right Patsy our Red Queen | |||
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