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"I think Labour have become the party of eugenics. In the last few months... Winter fuel payments - removed but reintroduced and made more difficult. Late term abortion decriminalised - now you can technically abort on the day before you give birth with very little consequence. Assisted dying - for terminal patients only for now, but easy to extend to those considered to have poor quality of life DNA testing of newborns for inheritable diseases. How long before it extends to those yet to be born? And tomorrow it's about cutting access to disability benefits. Everything could be progressive through the right lens - but put everything together and a pattern seems to be emerging. The shift from the party of the working class to the party for working people was the first sign; it reminds me of 'Arbeit Macht Frei' - work sets you free, as used in 1930s Germany. " Sadly they really wanted sl@ves for the hierarchy to feed off. Carrot and the stick spring to mind. | |||
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"Late term abortion decriminalised - now you can technically abort on the day before you give birth with very little consequence. Assisted dying - for terminal patients only for now, but easy to extend to those considered to have poor quality of life" Just wanted to pick up on these two… You’ll struggle to find a doctor that will terminate a pregnancy after 16 weeks. There would have to be strong medical grounds. And assisted dying is exactly that, assisting people who don’t want to live in intractable pain for the last few weeks of their life. It’s not about killing people who haven’t made that choice. Yes there is a debate to be had about where a choice has been manipulated, hence the safeguards. People will still kill themselves regardless of the law. | |||
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"Late term abortion decriminalised - now you can technically abort on the day before you give birth with very little consequence. Assisted dying - for terminal patients only for now, but easy to extend to those considered to have poor quality of life Just wanted to pick up on these two… You’ll struggle to find a doctor that will terminate a pregnancy after 16 weeks. There would have to be strong medical grounds. And assisted dying is exactly that, assisting people who don’t want to live in intractable pain for the last few weeks of their life. It’s not about killing people who haven’t made that choice. Yes there is a debate to be had about where a choice has been manipulated, hence the safeguards. People will still kill themselves regardless of the law. " On this we agree..  | |||
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"Just wanted to pick up on these two… You’ll struggle to find a doctor that will terminate a pregnancy after 16 weeks. There would have to be strong medical grounds. And assisted dying is exactly that, assisting people who don’t want to live in intractable pain for the last few weeks of their life. It’s not about killing people who haven’t made that choice. Yes there is a debate to be had about where a choice has been manipulated, hence the safeguards. People will still kill themselves regardless of the law. " Yes, I know this and I agree. In terms of abortion, it means that a woman who seeks out a late term abortion overseas or from some rogue backstreet abortionist will not face consequences; the onus of responsibility will be on the practitioner. With assisted dying I have no strong opinion - I just find it interesting how all these things emerged in a very short time-frame. Now throw in withdrawal of funding for the disabled and pensioners and add DNA testing for undesirable conditions. There's a pattern emerging and while Labour may not be there yet, they do seem to be oiling a slippery slope in presiding over who deserves a life and who warrants a good death. | |||
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"Just wanted to pick up on these two… You’ll struggle to find a doctor that will terminate a pregnancy after 16 weeks. There would have to be strong medical grounds. And assisted dying is exactly that, assisting people who don’t want to live in intractable pain for the last few weeks of their life. It’s not about killing people who haven’t made that choice. Yes there is a debate to be had about where a choice has been manipulated, hence the safeguards. People will still kill themselves regardless of the law. Yes, I know this and I agree. In terms of abortion, it means that a woman who seeks out a late term abortion overseas or from some rogue backstreet abortionist will not face consequences; the onus of responsibility will be on the practitioner. With assisted dying I have no strong opinion - I just find it interesting how all these things emerged in a very short time-frame. Now throw in withdrawal of funding for the disabled and pensioners and add DNA testing for undesirable conditions. There's a pattern emerging and while Labour may not be there yet, they do seem to be oiling a slippery slope in presiding over who deserves a life and who warrants a good death. " I can see Logan’s Run from the picture you have painted. No wonder we have so many millionaire runners  | |||
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"I think Labour have become the party of eugenics. In the last few months... Winter fuel payments - removed but reintroduced and made more difficult. Late term abortion decriminalised - now you can technically abort on the day before you give birth with very little consequence. Assisted dying - for terminal patients only for now, but easy to extend to those considered to have poor quality of life DNA testing of newborns for inheritable diseases. How long before it extends to those yet to be born? And tomorrow it's about cutting access to disability benefits. Everything could be progressive through the right lens - but put everything together and a pattern seems to be emerging. The shift from the party of the working class to the party for working people was the first sign; it reminds me of 'Arbeit Macht Frei' - work sets you free, as used in 1930s Germany. " I think to say any party is a party of eugenics is unfounded and baseless in, but that's your view.. Would you say the same about how the Tories acted in relation people in care homes during the early days of the pandemic when nearly 46,000 residents died.. For clarity I don't attribute the term eugenics to the Tory party for that dereliction of duty.. Also what the actual fuck has using the phrase 'Arbeit Macht Frei's which as you well know sits above the entrance to Auschwitz and was also at Dachau and several other death camps got to do with anything other than mass murder on an industrial scale not seen in mankind's history before People should work and contribute where they can, for myself as a centre left person I think it's a fundamental duty to the society you live in.. To use that phrase with it's vile connections to one of the darkest evil times to any current government of this country for several decades where the policies have tried to reduce the benefits cost and part of that is getting people into the labour market is simply inappropriate and really bizarre.. | |||
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" I think to say any party is a party of eugenics is unfounded and baseless in, but that's your view.." It's deliberately hyperbolic and represents the descent of the Labour party away from being a party of compassion and the working class struggle. I am noticing, maybe an uneasy sense of paranoia, that there is a descent into authoritarianism that will threaten society's most vulnerable. "Also what the actual fuck has using the phrase 'Arbeit Macht Frei's which as you well know sits above the entrance to Auschwitz and was also at Dachau and several other death camps got to do with anything other than mass murder on an industrial scale not seen in mankind's history before" I am well educated in history. Arbeit Macht Frei was a common expression in 1930s Germany and originated several decades prior to that. It was not just above the entrances to concentration camps - it was a slogan that the Nazis used when they were trying to combat mass unemployment. The Nazi regime did not start in rounding people up and enslaving them; there was a gradual descent that started decades prior. | |||
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" I think to say any party is a party of eugenics is unfounded and baseless in, but that's your view..It's deliberately hyperbolic and represents the descent of the Labour party away from being a party of compassion and the working class struggle. I am noticing, maybe an uneasy sense of paranoia, that there is a descent into authoritarianism that will threaten society's most vulnerable. Also what the actual fuck has using the phrase 'Arbeit Macht Frei's which as you well know sits above the entrance to Auschwitz and was also at Dachau and several other death camps got to do with anything other than mass murder on an industrial scale not seen in mankind's history before I am well educated in history. Arbeit Macht Frei was a common expression in 1930s Germany and originated several decades prior to that. It was not just above the entrances to concentration camps - it was a slogan that the Nazis used when they were trying to combat mass unemployment. The Nazi regime did not start in rounding people up and enslaving them; there was a gradual descent that started decades prior. " I am aware it didn't just pop up out of a Nazi party think tank following the Wannsee conference.. It's meaning if you ask the vast majority of people in many countries will be that it was above the camps, you know that.. Yet you still think it appropriate and justified to attribute that phrase to a party in this country today? | |||
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" It's meaning if you ask the vast majority of people in many countries will be that it was above the camps, you know that.. Yet you still think it appropriate and justified to attribute that phrase to a party in this country today? " The vast majority of people probably never even heard it. And yes, I am noticing parallels - they're clearly not a Nazi party in the way we understand it, but Starmer is incredibly authoritarian, more so than any other UK leader I can think of in my time. | |||
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" It's meaning if you ask the vast majority of people in many countries will be that it was above the camps, you know that.. Yet you still think it appropriate and justified to attribute that phrase to a party in this country today? The vast majority of people probably never even heard it. And yes, I am noticing parallels - they're clearly not a Nazi party in the way we understand it, but Starmer is incredibly authoritarian, more so than any other UK leader I can think of in my time." The current Labour party are awful, and Starmer is awful. But to suggest they're more authorisation than the previous government is ridiculous. Yes they're silencing people who speak out against genocide to distract people from selling F-15 parts to Israel. But think about what the last government did, put heavy restrictions on the freedoms to protest, used austerity to crush the most vulnerable people in society, used Brexit and covid for disaster capitalism, demonised everyone from foreigners, to "the woke", to people who eat tofu, etc. | |||
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" It's meaning if you ask the vast majority of people in many countries will be that it was above the camps, you know that.. Yet you still think it appropriate and justified to attribute that phrase to a party in this country today? The vast majority of people probably never even heard it. And yes, I am noticing parallels - they're clearly not a Nazi party in the way we understand it, but Starmer is incredibly authoritarian, more so than any other UK leader I can think of in my time." It's been taught at secondary school level since at least the early 2000s here.. I'm not sure I agree, I said I personally didn't know what he stood for well before the election as he was a bit of this and a bit of that but authoritarian I'm not sure myself.. He's not Thatcher or Blair.. Whomever was in the hot seat has a bit of a job to do in so many areas after the last lot which is the norm .. Linking that to places like Auschwitz is wrong.. | |||
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" The current Labour party are awful, and Starmer is awful. But to suggest they're more authorisation than the previous government is ridiculous. Yes they're silencing people who speak out against genocide to distract people from selling F-15 parts to Israel. But think about what the last government did, put heavy restrictions on the freedoms to protest, used austerity to crush the most vulnerable people in society, used Brexit and covid for disaster capitalism, demonised everyone from foreigners, to "the woke", to people who eat tofu, etc." Rhetoric and opinion are not the same as policy. The Tories said a lot of stuff, but it is Labour who are implementing authoritarian policy. They are not silencing anyone who speaks out against genocide - for that to happen there would need to be a genocide. Those pro-Hamas marches have been going on unchallenged for nearly two years now, but it seems like they'd rather see people locked up for an offensive tweet than they would for what they actually do. | |||
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" It's meaning if you ask the vast majority of people in many countries will be that it was above the camps, you know that.. Yet you still think it appropriate and justified to attribute that phrase to a party in this country today? The vast majority of people probably never even heard it. And yes, I am noticing parallels - they're clearly not a Nazi party in the way we understand it, but Starmer is incredibly authoritarian, more so than any other UK leader I can think of in my time." Authoritarian because he wants disabled people capable of earning a wage to do so and stop bleeding us dry ? | |||
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" The current Labour party are awful, and Starmer is awful. But to suggest they're more authorisation than the previous government is ridiculous. Yes they're silencing people who speak out against genocide to distract people from selling F-15 parts to Israel. But think about what the last government did, put heavy restrictions on the freedoms to protest, used austerity to crush the most vulnerable people in society, used Brexit and covid for disaster capitalism, demonised everyone from foreigners, to "the woke", to people who eat tofu, etc. Rhetoric and opinion are not the same as policy. The Tories said a lot of stuff, but it is Labour who are implementing authoritarian policy. They are not silencing anyone who speaks out against genocide - for that to happen there would need to be a genocide. Those pro-Hamas marches have been going on unchallenged for nearly two years now, but it seems like they'd rather see people locked up for an offensive tweet than they would for what they actually do." Tories implemented policy to restrict the freedom to protest. The austerity measures were policy. You need to take your argument to the UN if you want to argue that the current genocide, is in fact somehow not a genocide.
Meanwhile your labelling anti-genocide marches as "pro-hamas" the oldest trick in the book to attempt to discredit the cause for peace. It might work on GBNews watchers. But it doesn't work on anyone else. | |||
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" The current Labour party are awful, and Starmer is awful. But to suggest they're more authorisation than the previous government is ridiculous. Yes they're silencing people who speak out against genocide to distract people from selling F-15 parts to Israel. But think about what the last government did, put heavy restrictions on the freedoms to protest, used austerity to crush the most vulnerable people in society, used Brexit and covid for disaster capitalism, demonised everyone from foreigners, to "the woke", to people who eat tofu, etc. Rhetoric and opinion are not the same as policy. The Tories said a lot of stuff, but it is Labour who are implementing authoritarian policy. They are not silencing anyone who speaks out against genocide - for that to happen there would need to be a genocide. Those pro-Hamas marches have been going on unchallenged for nearly two years now, but it seems like they'd rather see people locked up for an offensive tweet than they would for what they actually do. Tories implemented policy to restrict the freedom to protest. The austerity measures were policy. You need to take your argument to the UN if you want to argue that the current genocide, is in fact somehow not a genocide.
Meanwhile your labelling anti-genocide marches as "pro-hamas" the oldest trick in the book to attempt to discredit the cause for peace. It might work on GBNews watchers. But it doesn't work on anyone else."The first Pro Palestine marches were Oct 9th, just 2 days after Oct 7th. The content and consistency of the messaging since then has remained the same, which tells me these protests were never about peace or humanitarian concerns, but a longstanding opposition towards Israel. At what point did the marches become anti genocide marches and not pro Palestine marches? | |||
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" The current Labour party are awful, and Starmer is awful. But to suggest they're more authorisation than the previous government is ridiculous. Yes they're silencing people who speak out against genocide to distract people from selling F-15 parts to Israel. But think about what the last government did, put heavy restrictions on the freedoms to protest, used austerity to crush the most vulnerable people in society, used Brexit and covid for disaster capitalism, demonised everyone from foreigners, to "the woke", to people who eat tofu, etc. Rhetoric and opinion are not the same as policy. The Tories said a lot of stuff, but it is Labour who are implementing authoritarian policy. They are not silencing anyone who speaks out against genocide - for that to happen there would need to be a genocide. Those pro-Hamas marches have been going on unchallenged for nearly two years now, but it seems like they'd rather see people locked up for an offensive tweet than they would for what they actually do." The marches have had Israeli people on them, yes of course there's been some Hamas supporters that's pretty much inevitable given the issue.. But the marches have not been 'pro Hamas' .. Pretty comfortable in myself as an ex serviceman who was on the stop the war march in 03 that I wasn't pro Sadam and his butchers.. | |||
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" The current Labour party are awful, and Starmer is awful. But to suggest they're more authorisation than the previous government is ridiculous. Yes they're silencing people who speak out against genocide to distract people from selling F-15 parts to Israel. But think about what the last government did, put heavy restrictions on the freedoms to protest, used austerity to crush the most vulnerable people in society, used Brexit and covid for disaster capitalism, demonised everyone from foreigners, to "the woke", to people who eat tofu, etc. Rhetoric and opinion are not the same as policy. The Tories said a lot of stuff, but it is Labour who are implementing authoritarian policy. They are not silencing anyone who speaks out against genocide - for that to happen there would need to be a genocide. Those pro-Hamas marches have been going on unchallenged for nearly two years now, but it seems like they'd rather see people locked up for an offensive tweet than they would for what they actually do. Tories implemented policy to restrict the freedom to protest. The austerity measures were policy. You need to take your argument to the UN if you want to argue that the current genocide, is in fact somehow not a genocide.
Meanwhile your labelling anti-genocide marches as "pro-hamas" the oldest trick in the book to attempt to discredit the cause for peace. It might work on GBNews watchers. But it doesn't work on anyone else.
The first Pro Palestine marches were Oct 9th, just 2 days after Oct 7th. The content and consistency of the messaging since then has remained the same, which tells me these protests were never about peace or humanitarian concerns, but a longstanding opposition towards Israel.
At what point did the marches become anti genocide marches and not pro Palestine marches?
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"Seems there’s still 100 or so Labour MPs willing to vote against the government tonight. Can Starmer survive much longer if this bill is defeated? " Can't see many people mourning Starmer being given the boot. | |||
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"If anyone goes it won't be Starmer.." He's on borrowed time, the left will put the pressure on and Angela "I'll never be PM" Rayner will take over. It's what Corbyn wanted but couldn't deliver...and cue the re-emergence of the delightful Rebecca long bailey. Still, JTN will be happy | |||
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"If anyone goes it won't be Starmer.. He's on borrowed time, the left will put the pressure on and Angela "I'll never be PM" Rayner will take over. It's what Corbyn wanted but couldn't deliver...and cue the re-emergence of the delightful Rebecca long bailey. Still, JTN will be happy " Why? | |||
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"And from Ipswich we have "Authoritarian because he wants disabled people capable of earning a wage to do so and stop bleeding us dry ?" Makes you proud to be British to hear such thoughts. Perhaps bringing back the Nazi T4 program, so that those in the Fens can hold on to their £2.33" Ipswich isn’t in The Fens | |||
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" Authoritarian because he wants disabled people capable of earning a wage to do so and stop bleeding us dry ?" The problem is that Starmer (and many others) believe that they are somehow more qualified than the healthcare professionals; that disabled people are really making it all up, and that they can all work just fine once they take away their money. Using the phrase from 1930s Germany, 'work sets you free' is totally apt when reflecting on this attitude. | |||
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" Authoritarian because he wants disabled people capable of earning a wage to do so and stop bleeding us dry ? The problem is that Starmer (and many others) believe that they are somehow more qualified than the healthcare professionals; that disabled people are really making it all up, and that they can all work just fine once they take away their money. Using the phrase from 1930s Germany, 'work sets you free' is totally apt when reflecting on this attitude." Maybe start a petition, set up a just giving page to help publicise your idea that this government should adopt your idea of them using that..? | |||
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"This bill was going to save the state £5bn, now it’s watered down what will the savings be, £2/3bn by 2030? The WFA allowance cut was going to save the state £1.7bn, with some of it reinstated what’s the saving now, maybe £1bn The farmers iht was reported to raise £460m. The treasury budget is over £1trn, government increased the capital spending by over £100 billion at the autumn budget in 2024 and by a further £13bn at the spring statement 2025, add recent nato spending pledges. These controversial policies are raising insignificant amounts, so where is Reeves going to get the money. " The answer, in short, is taxes. It's now inevitable. They'll likely dream up yet more stealth taxes and hope we don't notice. It's either that or Labour's fabled magic Money Tree. | |||
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"This bill was going to save the state £5bn, now it’s watered down what will the savings be, £2/3bn by 2030? The WFA allowance cut was going to save the state £1.7bn, with some of it reinstated what’s the saving now, maybe £1bn The farmers iht was reported to raise £460m. The treasury budget is over £1trn, government increased the capital spending by over £100 billion at the autumn budget in 2024 and by a further £13bn at the spring statement 2025, add recent nato spending pledges. These controversial policies are raising insignificant amounts, so where is Reeves going to get the money. The answer, in short, is taxes. It's now inevitable. They'll likely dream up yet more stealth taxes and hope we don't notice. It's either that or Labour's fabled magic Money Tree." Second home stamp duty is 5% plus standard rate. Ending the non dom rules would reportedly raise £2.7bn a year by 2028-29, not a lot - half what Starmer announced for this years Ukraine support. More inheritance tax ? | |||
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"If anyone goes it won't be Starmer.." Starmer is on dodgy ground, I said this before he became PM. He was the only labour MP that had centre ground appeal that could be put in front of a camera and people didn't worry too much. Once labour were in power Starmer was immediately exposed by allowing the enormous public sector pay deals, it was agreed and paid by Reeves, supported by Rayner. That was an own goal forced on him, it is coming to haunt him now as all the measures put in place to balance the economy under Reeves's direction are failing, where is the money coming from now, and remember that £22billion blackhole? The impact of Reeve's spending, tax hikes on business and fiscal rules being a drain is not a surprise, business has been anticipating the fallout from this over the last 12 months, but warnings from business are not something this government want to hear or act upon. Unfortunately we are going to see a car crash of a budget in October, and that will finally bring the issues I'm talking about to the table. There is no way out of the mess they have got us into other than increasing taxes and cutting spending. Starmer could sack Reeves ahead of the Autumn budget. Removing her will allow him to appoint blame and maybe give him a short window as a new Chancellor will need some time to remedy the situation with a inevitable change in policy direction. The one thing that could make this worse, is Rayner taking over from Starmer. | |||
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"Raising taxes isn't inevitable but highly likely. Part of the answer would have been the the full bill being passed last night Especially when cunts take the piss such as "Benefit claimants with conditions including acne and writer’s cramp have been handed additional disability payments from the Government, official figures show..."" Tax rises are certain reading the latest Labour ministers comments ‘cost at budget’ | |||
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"If anyone goes it won't be Starmer.. Starmer is on dodgy ground, I said this before he became PM. He was the only labour MP that had centre ground appeal that could be put in front of a camera and people didn't worry too much. Once labour were in power Starmer was immediately exposed by allowing the enormous public sector pay deals, it was agreed and paid by Reeves, supported by Rayner. That was an own goal forced on him, it is coming to haunt him now as all the measures put in place to balance the economy under Reeves's direction are failing, where is the money coming from now, and remember that £22billion blackhole? The impact of Reeve's spending, tax hikes on business and fiscal rules being a drain is not a surprise, business has been anticipating the fallout from this over the last 12 months, but warnings from business are not something this government want to hear or act upon. Unfortunately we are going to see a car crash of a budget in October, and that will finally bring the issues I'm talking about to the table. There is no way out of the mess they have got us into other than increasing taxes and cutting spending. Starmer could sack Reeves ahead of the Autumn budget. Removing her will allow him to appoint blame and maybe give him a short window as a new Chancellor will need some time to remedy the situation with a inevitable change in policy direction. The one thing that could make this worse, is Rayner taking over from Starmer. " Rayners not got time for a promotion or another job. They’ve been in a year on Friday and new home delivery is well short already | |||
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"If anyone goes it won't be Starmer.. Starmer is on dodgy ground, I said this before he became PM. He was the only labour MP that had centre ground appeal that could be put in front of a camera and people didn't worry too much. Once labour were in power Starmer was immediately exposed by allowing the enormous public sector pay deals, it was agreed and paid by Reeves, supported by Rayner. That was an own goal forced on him, it is coming to haunt him now as all the measures put in place to balance the economy under Reeves's direction are failing, where is the money coming from now, and remember that £22billion blackhole? The impact of Reeve's spending, tax hikes on business and fiscal rules being a drain is not a surprise, business has been anticipating the fallout from this over the last 12 months, but warnings from business are not something this government want to hear or act upon. Unfortunately we are going to see a car crash of a budget in October, and that will finally bring the issues I'm talking about to the table. There is no way out of the mess they have got us into other than increasing taxes and cutting spending. Starmer could sack Reeves ahead of the Autumn budget. Removing her will allow him to appoint blame and maybe give him a short window as a new Chancellor will need some time to remedy the situation with a inevitable change in policy direction. The one thing that could make this worse, is Rayner taking over from Starmer. Rayners not got time for a promotion or another job. They’ve been in a year on Friday and new home delivery is well short already " It is a perfect move for Rayner and her left wing populists. She can blame the failure of the housing numbers on Starmer not doing his job and her needing to step in. I never thought I would be saying this, but I do hope Starmer can hold out until the their inevitable loss and banishment back to the shadows. | |||
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""Benefit claimants with conditions including acne and writer’s cramp have been handed additional disability payments from the Government, official figures show..."" You're cherry picking minority cases that sound silly on the surface, but not if you dig deeper into it. Firstly, the term 'Writer's cramp' is misleading - the correct term is focal hand dystonia, which means that someone can really struggle with small motor movements in their hands and fingers - unable to pick up a pen, or food, or a cup, turn the pages in a book, turn on a tap, tie a shoelace, open a door, and so on. Severe acne can cause cysts and inflammation that lead to painful swelling, tenderness, and limited facial or body movement—especially when it affects the jawline, shoulders, or back. In extreme cases it can be accompanied by muscle aches, joint pain, fever, and fatigue. Combined with anxiety, depression, and social withdrawal - it can be very limiting. It seems like you only believe in disability when someone has the capacity of a cabbage. | |||
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"Raising taxes isn't inevitable but highly likely. Part of the answer would have been the the full bill being passed last night Especially when cunts take the piss such as "Benefit claimants with conditions including acne and writer’s cramp have been handed additional disability payments from the Government, official figures show..."" Care to share exactly where you got this from? | |||
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