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By *escourtes OP   Man
5 weeks ago

hereford

it looks as though HS2 may be further delayed....on the plus side the development may have created some good dogging spots...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
5 weeks ago

Central

It's tragically no surprise, after the contracts and management of the previous 14 year's leadership We still don't know how much it's going to cost . AI will be in charge, before then

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
5 weeks ago

Bedfuck

Total waste of time and money, why not create/shift the jobs out of London.

Instead of shipping the workforce up and down the country. Hybrid /working from home is becoming more prevalent.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
5 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

The biggest white elephant ever,who actually needs or want's it?

The companies that have made billions from this the list continues to grow.

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By *1shadesoffunMan
5 weeks ago

nearby

In December last year the guardian said cost of HS2 could pass £80bn as the estimated bill jumped 15% in a year.

Is there any cost /benefit analysis. On the shorter travel times, I won’t forget one person interviewed who said I’d just catch an earlier train.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk

I don’t think it ever represented good value for money.

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By *ellhungvweMan
5 weeks ago

Cheltenham

If you want to know why this was a nailed on cert from day one then I really suggest reading How Big Things Get Done. It’s an easy read and highly informative on why projects (of all sizes) fail.

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By *ellhungvweMan
5 weeks ago

Cheltenham

The wider question is why we need to consistently put more infrastructure into London?

Connecting northern and midland cities/communities would have been a much better use of the money. That project would also have failed spectacularly but at least we would be starting to build a decent transport network outside of London.

These projects tend not to go ahead because they can’t show they are economically more beneficial than London - which is exactly why they need to go ahead because London is always going to be more economically viable because it keeps getting all the transport infrastructure. It’s a self fulfilling prophesy.

Long term, sustained infrastructure development outside of London needs to become the norm.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"The biggest white elephant ever,who actually needs or want's it?"

We all need it.

The current rail network is over-crowded, and there's a push to get rid of fossil fuels, which means that more stuff is being moved around the country as rail freight. We're already at the limits of what can be moved around.

HS2 was supposed to take all of the high speed passenger services off main routes in the area between London and Manchester, which would have freed up lots of freight capacity in the rest of the network.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"The biggest white elephant ever,who actually needs or want's it?

We all need it.

The current rail network is over-crowded, and there's a push to get rid of fossil fuels, which means that more stuff is being moved around the country as rail freight. We're already at the limits of what can be moved around.

HS2 was supposed to take all of the high speed passenger services off main routes in the area between London and Manchester, which would have freed up lots of freight capacity in the rest of the network."

Most freight suitable for rail transport is either bulk aggregate or shipping containers. Most shipping containers go nowhere near London. Felixstowe, Southampton, Liverpool and Immingham handle the majority. Sure there are container terminals on the Thames, but sending a shipping container to the Midlands via a London rail hub from Thamsport on the Isle of Grain is just clogging up the London infrastructure even more. There’s a direct container train from Felixstowe, Southampton, and Liverpool docks to the rail freight terminal in Birmingham.

But I do agree that more shipping containers should be moved from the ports by rail to cut down on HGV trunking.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Most freight suitable for rail transport is either bulk aggregate or shipping containers. Most shipping containers go nowhere near London."

It's not about London. Most trains going north or south travel on the East or West Coast Main Lines. Those lines would be freed up if a lot of passenger traffic moved to HS2.

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By *usie pTV/TS
5 weeks ago

taunton

I don't need it I can't afford to go on a train let alone one that cost 80 bill it's only the privileged taking care of themselves, can't really blame them for that most of us would do the same if it suited.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Most freight suitable for rail transport is either bulk aggregate or shipping containers. Most shipping containers go nowhere near London.

It's not about London. Most trains going north or south travel on the East or West Coast Main Lines. Those lines would be freed up if a lot of passenger traffic moved to HS2."

My point was about the London rail hubs. I don’t see how they are “not about London” 🤷

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By *2000ManMan
5 weeks ago

Worthing

The elite took their usual cut in the form of meetings, expenses, consultations etc.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Most freight suitable for rail transport is either bulk aggregate or shipping containers. Most shipping containers go nowhere near London."


"It's not about London. Most trains going north or south travel on the East or West Coast Main Lines. Those lines would be freed up if a lot of passenger traffic moved to HS2."


"My point was about the London rail hubs. I don’t see how they are “not about London”"

Then I don't understand your point. I'm not sure what freight running from London rail hubs has to do with HS2.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Most freight suitable for rail transport is either bulk aggregate or shipping containers. Most shipping containers go nowhere near London.

It's not about London. Most trains going north or south travel on the East or West Coast Main Lines. Those lines would be freed up if a lot of passenger traffic moved to HS2.

My point was about the London rail hubs. I don’t see how they are “not about London”

Then I don't understand your point. I'm not sure what freight running from London rail hubs has to do with HS2."

Someone suggested that more freight should go on the rail network.

My point was that a good proportion of freight that’s suitable for the rail network (bulk aggregates and shipping containers) are already being moved by rail. And if even more was put on trains from Tilbury, Thamesport or Thames Gateway, they would nearly all enter the London network causing even more congestion.

But containers landing at Felixstowe, Southampton, Liverpool and Immingham only need to go through London if they are heading there or the south east.

It’s not as easy as just saying “put more freight on the railways to help get to net zero, especially when a lot of freight trains are diesel and most of the country is not served by a rail terminal.

HS2 as an independent system, as far as I understand, serves the midlands and London. Every other journey won’t be helped by HS2 but would be hindered by more rail freight.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
5 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

We are a very small island surrounded by water, surely freight would be better off shipped in large quantities or is that too easy 🤷

As for us all needing HS2.

The percentage of people who are able use train's for commuting is probably a very small percentage compared to the working population.

Freeing up space on other services will only tempt rail providers to increase fares citing that the cost of running the service at a lower capacity is expensive.

As someone said it's something created by privileged people for privileged people.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"HS2 as an independent system, as far as I understand, serves the midlands and London. Every other journey won’t be helped by HS2 but would be hindered by more rail freight. "

But that was my point, if HS2 had been built, it would have take many passenger services off the main lines, leaving space for more freight.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
5 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

Boris Johnson dad has done very well out of hs2 £££££££££££££££££

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Boris Johnson dad has done very well out of hs2 £££££££££££££££££"

You mean that his house was compulsorily purchased, at the legally mandated rate?

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"HS2 as an independent system, as far as I understand, serves the midlands and London. Every other journey won’t be helped by HS2 but would be hindered by more rail freight.

But that was my point, if HS2 had been built, it would have take many passenger services off the main lines, leaving space for more freight."

That will depend on the ticket price. Some may use it regardless, some won’t use it regardless. Saving 20 mins for an extra £20? £40?

As someone else said, just get an earlier train.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"But that was my point, if HS2 had been built, it would have take many passenger services off the main lines, leaving space for more freight."


"That will depend on the ticket price. Some may use it regardless, some won’t use it regardless. Saving 20 mins for an extra £20? £40?

As someone else said, just get an earlier train."

I see where the confusion is now.

HS2 wasn't intended to be a special new train service. It was supposed to be a new main line that the majority of north/south express passenger trains would use. That would clear the coast main lines for more freight.

There would have been some special new high speed services. But they would have been the minority users of the HS2 line.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"But that was my point, if HS2 had been built, it would have take many passenger services off the main lines, leaving space for more freight.

That will depend on the ticket price. Some may use it regardless, some won’t use it regardless. Saving 20 mins for an extra £20? £40?

As someone else said, just get an earlier train.

I see where the confusion is now.

HS2 wasn't intended to be a special new train service. It was supposed to be a new main line that the majority of north/south express passenger trains would use. That would clear the coast main lines for more freight.

There would have been some special new high speed services. But they would have been the minority users of the HS2 line."

But unless I’m missing something, it will only run between one station in Birmingham and London? Connecting to the west cost main line in south staffs? Last I heard it might terminate near the outskirts of London and the last leg would be an underground or overground tube service? Im far from well informed on this as I’m not a regular rail user. My nearest train station is 40 mins drive from which I can only get to London or Cambridge

This doesn’t help anyone travelling from other parts of the country, which is the vast majority of rail travelers.

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"But unless I’m missing something, it will only run between one station in Birmingham and London? Connecting to the west cost main line in south staffs? Last I heard it might terminate near the outskirts of London and the last leg would be an underground or overground tube service? Im far from well informed on this as I’m not a regular rail user. My nearest train station is 40 mins drive from which I can only get to London or Cambridge

This doesn’t help anyone travelling from other parts of the country, which is the vast majority of rail travelers. "

In is current form, yes, it's almost no use. Had it gone all the way to Manchester, it would have been useful.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
5 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.


"Boris Johnson dad has done very well out of hs2 £££££££££££££££££

You mean that his house was compulsorily purchased, at the legally mandated rate?"

If you think 150k above asking price is the legally mandated rate then 🤷

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Boris Johnson dad has done very well out of hs2 £££££££££££££££££

You mean that his house was compulsorily purchased, at the legally mandated rate?

If you think 150k above asking price is the legally mandated rate then 🤷"

That’s less than most MPs expenses

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By *rDiscretionXXXMan
5 weeks ago

Gilfach


"Boris Johnson dad has done very well out of hs2 £££££££££££££££££"


"You mean that his house was compulsorily purchased, at the legally mandated rate?"


"If you think 150k above asking price is the legally mandated rate then ..."

But that's not what happened is it. Stanley Johnson got paid £4.4m for his house under the Land Compensation Act 1973, after independent assessors valued it at £4.4m. You're claiming that he made £150k, because he'd previously put the house up for sale at £4.25m. But that was 2 years beforehand. The idea that a house might increase in value by 3.5% over 2 years is not unheard of.

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By *uffolkcouple-bi onlyCouple
5 weeks ago

West Suffolk


"Boris Johnson dad has done very well out of hs2 £££££££££££££££££"

Are you implying that they deliberately planned the route to go through his house so he could sell it?

But if the route went really close to his house but avoided it I’m guessing you’d be saying they changed the route to avoid his house?

The guy can’t win can he?

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By *usie pTV/TS
5 weeks ago

taunton

If you had your house compulsory purchased you will need a whack on top of the market value to buy another house of the same value to cover the costs involved, legal fees, stamp duty, moving costs spring to mind plus compensation for the hassle that you probably didn't want.

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