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"This is a stretch... How are the 220 law abiding, if they are in the US illegally? " Because….. look at my last post in the original thread  | |||
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"This is a stretch... How are the 220 law abiding, if they are in the US illegally? Because….. look at my last post in the original thread "You referred to those claiming asylum (which btw is a defence to crossing the border illegally, not a negation of that law) - does this apply to those arrested. | |||
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"This is a stretch... How are the 220 law abiding, if they are in the US illegally? " Because they didn't have criminal records..... | |||
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"This is a stretch... How are the 220 law abiding, if they are in the US illegally? Because they didn't have criminal records..... " What's wrong with detaining them if they are there illegally? | |||
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"Since Friday in immigration raids nationally uptaken by ICE and DHS a total of 330 people have been taken into custody of which 110 of them had criminal records including violent offences" I don't know if these are your words or if you're quoting someone, but I read the above as meaning that 110 of them had criminal records which included violent offences, while the other 220 had criminal records which didn't include violent offences. Can you tell us the source of those numbers. | |||
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"In the US, asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who fear persecution in their home country and are unable or unwilling to return. It allows them to remain in the US and work, and eventually become a permanent resident or citizen. Affirmative Asylum: Individuals must be physically present in the US to apply through the affirmative process. They must apply within one year of their last arrival in the US, unless they can demonstrate changed circumstances or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay. It is possible, and legal, to be in the US. " Adding some missing context from the US website "Court Order on Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final Rule" "Under the rule, certain individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States." And of course, if US decides that their applications aren't valid, they can be removed too. It would be stupid for any country to have a system where they just won't remove anyone who comes in and applies for asylum. That's practically open borders. | |||
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"In the US, asylum is a form of protection granted to individuals who fear persecution in their home country and are unable or unwilling to return. It allows them to remain in the US and work, and eventually become a permanent resident or citizen. Affirmative Asylum: Individuals must be physically present in the US to apply through the affirmative process. They must apply within one year of their last arrival in the US, unless they can demonstrate changed circumstances or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay. It is possible, and legal, to be in the US. Adding some missing context from the US website "Court Order on Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final Rule" "Under the rule, certain individuals who enter the United States through its southwest land border or adjacent coastal borders are presumed to be ineligible for asylum, unless they can demonstrate an exception to the rule or rebut the presumption. Individuals are encouraged to use lawful, safe, and orderly pathways to come to the United States." And of course, if US decides that their applications aren't valid, they can be removed too. It would be stupid for any country to have a system where they just won't remove anyone who comes in and applies for asylum. That's practically open borders." To a large extent that is the situation in the US and UK, and its a situation which largely got Trump elected. | |||
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"This is a stretch... How are the 220 law abiding, if they are in the US illegally? Because….. look at my last post in the original thread "I read your last post and I think you are referring to your penultimate? Which is Cuba, Haiti and Venezuela having protected status, TPS. Looking at the Whitehouse paper, there is no data for the 220 with no criminal record. I think we can assume some will be TPS and ICE/DHS would have a good reason to pick them up, such as no shows, break in documentation etc.. I think it safe to assume others under TPS who were in the same place at the same time of the raids and did not produce evidence to support their identity or status, would have also been picked up. Would you say that is fair? If we put that to one side for a moment, I have said this a number of times, state sanctuary is creating a problem in the federal processes and more effort needs to be applied in those states to unravel the real picture, with the lack of data being shared this leads to a blunt approach of catch all and deal with later. | |||
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"Since Friday in immigration raids nationally uptaken by ICE and DHS a total of 330 people have been taken into custody of which 110 of them had criminal records including violent offences I don't know if these are your words or if you're quoting someone, but I read the above as meaning that 110 of them had criminal records which included violent offences, while the other 220 had criminal records which didn't include violent offences. Can you tell us the source of those numbers." The source is the White House themselves via DHS and ICE 110 had criminal records including violent crimes 220 has no criminal records… | |||
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"The source is the White House themselves via DHS and ICE 110 had criminal records including violent crimes 220 has no criminal records…" The actual press release is a lot more clear - "Since June 6, there have been 330 illegal aliens that have been arrested as part of these riots in Los Angeles" - "One-hundred and thirteen of those illegal aliens had prior criminal convictions". From that wording I think it's safe to conclude that the remaining 217 did not have any criminal convictions at the point when they were arrested. Sadly there's no follow up to say what happened to the 217. They may have been deported, or they may have been released. | |||
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"Lost in everything that happened yesterday… the DHS secretary whilst saying they would save LA in an authoritarian manner, having the senator for California dragged out of the press conference… wild! Governor Gav won the “who runs the national guard” case… summary by the judge is actually really scathing and rules it’s unconstitutional….Trump administration quickly appeals case asking for a stay on applying the decision.. 9th circuit gives them that, next court hearing will be on Tuesday! Anyway.. for the real nerds out there … there is a really personal relationship connection between governor gav and Donald Trump… If you know what it is… I give you extra bonus points (see I put a game in the politics thread… who knew it was possible!)" JR... The ruling was always going to go that way, especially when Clinton's man was in the seat. I think once the dust settles, the authorities in California will be a little more helpful going forward, that is how I see this blowing out. | |||
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"Lost in everything that happened yesterday… the DHS secretary whilst saying they would save LA in an authoritarian manner, having the senator for California dragged out of the press conference… wild! Governor Gav won the “who runs the national guard” case… summary by the judge is actually really scathing and rules it’s unconstitutional….Trump administration quickly appeals case asking for a stay on applying the decision.. 9th circuit gives them that, next court hearing will be on Tuesday! Anyway.. for the real nerds out there … there is a really personal relationship connection between governor gav and Donald Trump… If you know what it is… I give you extra bonus points (see I put a game in the politics thread… who knew it was possible!)" he was married to kimberly guilfoyle for 3 years at the start of the century .... you know, the one who became senior adviser to taco trump .... and even had a spell as trump jr's fiancee | |||
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"The source is the White House themselves via DHS and ICE 110 had criminal records including violent crimes 220 has no criminal records… The actual press release is a lot more clear - "Since June 6, there have been 330 illegal aliens that have been arrested as part of these riots in Los Angeles" - "One-hundred and thirteen of those illegal aliens had prior criminal convictions". From that wording I think it's safe to conclude that the remaining 217 did not have any criminal convictions at the point when they were arrested. Sadly there's no follow up to say what happened to the 217. They may have been deported, or they may have been released." They don’t count the people who are not in custody So we can say the 217 who had no criminal convictions are still detained…. And this is where people I think are beginning to get squeamish CBS and Yougov have done a poll.. so where people agree overall with the theory of policy (55-45 support the trump policy) the way it’s been done.. not so (60-40 disagree with the way it’s being done) You know it’s getting squeamish when about 2 dozen moderate Republicans house in California, Florida and New York have all come together where they want a constant daily breakdown of the figures from ICE and DHS over the figures of violent criminals/ those with no criminal record being picked up Because the more stories you are hearing about people being picked up… and where ICE and DHS are laying in wait.. the worse it is getting for optics | |||
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"Lost in everything that happened yesterday… the DHS secretary whilst saying they would save LA in an authoritarian manner, having the senator for California dragged out of the press conference… wild! Governor Gav won the “who runs the national guard” case… summary by the judge is actually really scathing and rules it’s unconstitutional….Trump administration quickly appeals case asking for a stay on applying the decision.. 9th circuit gives them that, next court hearing will be on Tuesday! Anyway.. for the real nerds out there … there is a really personal relationship connection between governor gav and Donald Trump… If you know what it is… I give you extra bonus points (see I put a game in the politics thread… who knew it was possible!) he was married to kimberly guilfoyle for 3 years at the start of the century .... you know, the one who became senior adviser to taco trump .... and even had a spell as trump jr's fiancee" Bonus points for you… to get her out of the way after the trump jr break up and stop it being messy, papa trump made her ambassador to Greece!!! Sunning herself as we speak probably  | |||
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"More light relief. Did anyone hear how Republican Congressman Zach Nunn mispronounced posse comitatus?" 🐈 | |||
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"And has anyone seen the fake advert for seat fillers tomorrow?! " I loved the "gold accessories are acceptable" dress code. | |||
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"The actual press release is a lot more clear - "Since June 6, there have been 330 illegal aliens that have been arrested as part of these riots in Los Angeles" - "One-hundred and thirteen of those illegal aliens had prior criminal convictions". From that wording I think it's safe to conclude that the remaining 217 did not have any criminal convictions at the point when they were arrested. Sadly there's no follow up to say what happened to the 217. They may have been deported, or they may have been released." "They don’t count the people who are not in custody." That's not what the Whitehouse press release said. It just said that 330 had been arrested, there was no mention of more people having been arrested but not counted because they were subsequently released. If you have a source for the idea that 330 are in custody, can you please let us know what it is. | |||
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"The actual press release is a lot more clear - "Since June 6, there have been 330 illegal aliens that have been arrested as part of these riots in Los Angeles" - "One-hundred and thirteen of those illegal aliens had prior criminal convictions". From that wording I think it's safe to conclude that the remaining 217 did not have any criminal convictions at the point when they were arrested. Sadly there's no follow up to say what happened to the 217. They may have been deported, or they may have been released. They don’t count the people who are not in custody. That's not what the Whitehouse press release said. It just said that 330 had been arrested, there was no mention of more people having been arrested but not counted because they were subsequently released. If you have a source for the idea that 330 are in custody, can you please let us know what it is." Everyone seems to have their own way of interpreting and presenting data, which has been eye opening in this thread. What I’ve found interesting is the level of surprise or anger some people express when undocumented or illegal migrants are questioned or deported. | |||
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"The actual press release is a lot more clear - "Since June 6, there have been 330 illegal aliens that have been arrested as part of these riots in Los Angeles" - "One-hundred and thirteen of those illegal aliens had prior criminal convictions". From that wording I think it's safe to conclude that the remaining 217 did not have any criminal convictions at the point when they were arrested. Sadly there's no follow up to say what happened to the 217. They may have been deported, or they may have been released. They don’t count the people who are not in custody. That's not what the Whitehouse press release said. It just said that 330 had been arrested, there was no mention of more people having been arrested but not counted because they were subsequently released. If you have a source for the idea that 330 are in custody, can you please let us know what it is. Everyone seems to have their own way of interpreting and presenting data, which has been eye opening in this thread. What I’ve found interesting is the level of surprise or anger some people express when undocumented or illegal migrants are questioned or deported. " Remember 'Defund the Police' ? Many on the left simply don't believe in law and order. | |||
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" Remember 'Defund the Police' ? Many on the left simply don't believe in law and order." You could argue that the right are hypocritical for screaming “back the blue” except apparently doesn’t apply to January 6th
See how two can play that game!
I hate the term “defund the police” because it’s a gross misuse and misunderstanding (like people care) of what it means … because “defund the police a bit and give that money to social care and mental health because police men and women aren’t social workers and we should not expect them to be” … not quite as snappy and catchy!!! | |||
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"The actual press release is a lot more clear - "Since June 6, there have been 330 illegal aliens that have been arrested as part of these riots in Los Angeles" - "One-hundred and thirteen of those illegal aliens had prior criminal convictions". From that wording I think it's safe to conclude that the remaining 217 did not have any criminal convictions at the point when they were arrested. Sadly there's no follow up to say what happened to the 217. They may have been deported, or they may have been released. They don’t count the people who are not in custody. That's not what the Whitehouse press release said. It just said that 330 had been arrested, there was no mention of more people having been arrested but not counted because they were subsequently released. If you have a source for the idea that 330 are in custody, can you please let us know what it is. Everyone seems to have their own way of interpreting and presenting data, which has been eye opening in this thread. What I’ve found interesting is the level of surprise or anger some people express when undocumented or illegal migrants are questioned or deported. Remember 'Defund the Police' ? Many on the left simply don't believe in law and order." Too many on the far left treat these taglines as personal missions. It also gives them a kind of moral immunity. There is a faux martyrdom to it a belief that being aggressive and disruptive means what they are doing is justifiable be being on “the right side of history". Eventually the tag line gets diluted by time and common sense, but it needs to travel through the semantic brigade before all consequences of stupidity are eventually quashed. The problem is, they are no different from the far right. Rinse and repeat. | |||
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