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"you forgot 6 figures plucked out of thin air in an attempt to give gravits to an idealogical whim "They also have bo reverse ferreted on their winter fuel allowance because of a strong q1 ignoring q2 looking abysmal. Their 3 major policies were Cut winter fuel allowance ( reversed ) Smash the gangs -( more illegals landing than any other year) Farm tax- now receiving less than any other time as farms are being handed down to next generations earlier. The other major policies were the increase in NI which was resulted in 220k less employed people. That's including the expansions of the over inflated state. To say this has been economic illiteracy is an understatement. | |||
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"you forgot 6 figures plucked out of thin air in an attempt to give gravits to an idealogical whim
They also have bo reverse ferreted on their winter fuel allowance because of a strong q1 ignoring q2 looking abysmal.
Their 3 major policies were
Cut winter fuel allowance ( reversed )
Smash the gangs -( more illegals landing than any other year)
Farm tax- now receiving less than any other time as farms are being handed down to next generations earlier.
The other major policies were the increase in NI which was resulted in 220k less employed people. That's including the expansions of the over inflated state.
To say this has been economic illiteracy is an understatement.
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"you forgot 6 figures plucked out of thin air in an attempt to give gravits to an idealogical whim
They also have bo reverse ferreted on their winter fuel allowance because of a strong q1 ignoring q2 looking abysmal.
Their 3 major policies were
Cut winter fuel allowance ( reversed )
Smash the gangs -( more illegals landing than any other year)
Farm tax- now receiving less than any other time as farms are being handed down to next generations earlier.
The other major policies were the increase in NI which was resulted in 220k less employed people. That's including the expansions of the over inflated state.
To say this has been economic illiteracy is an understatement.
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""These are actually figures" I'm still trying to work out what a "10k millionaire" is..." The statement was "10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24" Ten thousand millionaires. K after a number is refers to thousands. | |||
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""These are actually figures" I'm still trying to work out what a "10k millionaire" is... The statement was "10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24" Ten thousand millionaires. K after a number is refers to thousands. " I didn't think 10k would need translating for people, as it's a pretty usual day to day term of use. But thank you for providing the meaning for the other poster. | |||
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"And we’ve got another 4 years of it. Only an idiot couldn’t have predicted that the tax generated from VAT on private schools would be no greater than the increased cost of the extra state school places and probably less. Only an idiot wouldn’t predict that farm owners would take some tax planning advice which is perfectly legal and their new tax would generate zero income, just create bad feeling and reduce public confidence. Only an idiot wouldn’t foresee a loss of jobs when you increase taxes on businesses. And that means less income tax revenue, less personal ni revenue, less spending so less VAT revenue, less corporation tax revenue, more benefits spending. All while government spending is increasing on the migrant issue and on defence to name but 2. No announcements on where the money is coming from yet. Which means increased borrowing, which means an increased deficit, which means less money in the pot to start with. And the next round of public pay claims are on the horizon so either they will give the unions the massive above-inflation pay rises that will be asked for, or their will be the same strikes that they claimed only they could fix with the previous government couldn’t. Giving in isn’t a credible negotiating tactic. " Agreed on all fronts. Job vacancies are now down over 5% too. So less chance for those out of work to find a new job. We are heading towards a stagnant economy or even recession following Germany down the swanny. All from a 1.1% growing economy in 2024 until q3 Sometimes the grass isn't always greener. Sometimes the grass is actually poisonous. We have the latter. | |||
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"Labour have been a catastrophe from day one. Not really a surprise. The only question remaining is how much damage they will do over the next few years before they are kicked out." This is honestly where I hope Starmer and his band of merry fools have (like blair) made labour unelectable for over a decade , hopefully longer. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. " Figures from thin air or from the musings of Farage (the two being one and the same). If you are so sure of those figures can you please provide links to them all! | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Figures from thin air or from the musings of Farage (the two being one and the same). If you are so sure of those figures can you please provide links to them all!" Labour and its supporters do seem to be obsessed with Farage. Perhaps if Labour focused its efforts instead on delivering a growing economy for the mass of the British people, as it promised, the threat of Farage would rapidly recede. I’m not hopeful. This government is run by incompetent ideologues who are incapable of changing direction. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Figures from thin air or from the musings of Farage (the two being one and the same). If you are so sure of those figures can you please provide links to them all!" I know you have not looked for these figures yourself, because if you had you would find the OP has been conservative with the figures | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Figures from thin air or from the musings of Farage (the two being one and the same). If you are so sure of those figures can you please provide links to them all!" They're ONS figures | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Figures from thin air or from the musings of Farage (the two being one and the same). If you are so sure of those figures can you please provide links to them all! I know you have not looked for these figures yourself, because if you had you would find the OP has been conservative with the figures " Correct i went the lower end of the estimates from official bodies like ons | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Figures from thin air or from the musings of Farage (the two being one and the same). If you are so sure of those figures can you please provide links to them all! I know you have not looked for these figures yourself, because if you had you would find the OP has been conservative with the figures Correct i went the lower end of the estimates from official bodies like ons " I love the way people just wanna claim other peoples figures are lies without providing any of their own, just because they don’t like the truth. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. " Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we 
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter "14 years of austerity and trebling the national debt (extra £1.7trn). Thats just the numbers, the outcome is everywhere we look | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
14 years of austerity and trebling the national debt (extra £1.7trn). Thats just the numbers, the outcome is everywhere we look "Lucky labour weren’t in power during Covid. The national debt would be closer to £10 trillion | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter "And that's not too mention : let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2 : let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's that noone asked for yet has cost billions, not too mention more deaths and worse traffic, meanwhile all the roads have deteriorated so every 100m there is a pothole but don't worry the local council's have sprayed white paint round them so it's ok. : the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums. Industries sold off forcing everything to be imported. Business rates through the roof putting more and more out of business daily. Omg yeah the Tory government really represented the people | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
And that's not too mention
: let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2
: let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's that noone asked for yet has cost billions, not too mention more deaths and worse traffic, meanwhile all the roads have deteriorated so every 100m there is a pothole but don't worry the local council's have sprayed white paint round them so it's ok.
: the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums.
Industries sold off forcing everything to be imported.
Business rates through the roof putting more and more out of business daily.
Omg yeah the Tory government really represented the people "Increase in corporation tax rate from 19% to 25% (32% increase) was a Tory policy. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter "Please define austerity. Please indicate in which years those measures took place. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
14 years of austerity and trebling the national debt (extra £1.7trn). Thats just the numbers, the outcome is everywhere we look
Lucky labour weren’t in power during Covid. The national debt would be closer to £10 trillion "Indeed. Labour wanted lockdowns to go harder and longer which would have required more borrowing. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
And that's not too mention
: let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2
: let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's that noone asked for yet has cost billions, not too mention more deaths and worse traffic, meanwhile all the roads have deteriorated so every 100m there is a pothole but don't worry the local council's have sprayed white paint round them so it's ok.
: the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums.
Industries sold off forcing everything to be imported.
Business rates through the roof putting more and more out of business daily.
Omg yeah the Tory government really represented the people "Just FYI smart motorways were coming in under labour. Can you clarify which former Etonians were granted contracts for hs2? Can you explain what red tape measures the tories undertook for the NHS. Last i looked they capped the privatisation for themselves. Thanks in advance. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
Please define austerity. Please indicate in which years those measures took place."Errm unless you had your head buried in the sand, when they took over from labour,due to the worldwide credit crunch caused by the greedy banks caused a cascade and recession,the Tories where very vocal about austerity and used it as it's default position pretty much their entire time in power,even 14 year's after taking control still blamed the previous labour government. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
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And that's not too mention
: let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2
: let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's that noone asked for yet has cost billions, not too mention more deaths and worse traffic, meanwhile all the roads have deteriorated so every 100m there is a pothole but don't worry the local council's have sprayed white paint round them so it's ok.
: the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums.
Industries sold off forcing everything to be imported.
Business rates through the roof putting more and more out of business daily.
Omg yeah the Tory government really represented the people
Just FYI smart motorways were coming in under labour.
Can you clarify which former Etonians were granted contracts for hs2?
Can you explain what red tape measures the tories undertook for the NHS. Last i looked they capped the privatisation for themselves.
Thanks in advance.
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
Please define austerity. Please indicate in which years those measures took place.
Errm unless you had your head buried in the sand, when they took over from labour,due to the worldwide credit crunch caused by the greedy banks caused a cascade and recession,the Tories where very vocal about austerity and used it as it's default position pretty much their entire time in power,even 14 year's after taking control still blamed the previous labour government."Austerity is defined as tax hikes and lower spending. Can you name the years in which tory spending decreased? And in which tax hikes on companies, personal allowance, income tax made for more taxation on the average company / person? | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. Why do you think the Tory party deliberately imploded? They realised that 14 year's of austerity has achieved absolutely fuck all and under the stewardship of the bunch of clowns they had in charge the country is actually worse off. So they ensured that they wouldn't get re-elected because they knew they'd driven into a dead end with no way out so left it to labour to try and sort out. But hey yeah let's re elec the party that brought us : Brexit and all it's bullshit : the COVID PPE scandal : the impressive mini budget that set the country back five years in five minutes. : neglected school's : a prison service on it's knees : a complete shambles on immigration I could go on and on...... So yeah let's have those arse hat's back shall we
FFS
And I'm not even a labour voter
And that's not too mention
: let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2
: let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's that noone asked for yet has cost billions, not too mention more deaths and worse traffic, meanwhile all the roads have deteriorated so every 100m there is a pothole but don't worry the local council's have sprayed white paint round them so it's ok.
: the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums.
Industries sold off forcing everything to be imported.
Business rates through the roof putting more and more out of business daily.
Omg yeah the Tory government really represented the people
Just FYI smart motorways were coming in under labour.
Can you clarify which former Etonians were granted contracts for hs2?
Can you explain what red tape measures the tories undertook for the NHS. Last i looked they capped the privatisation for themselves.
Thanks in advance.
pointless discussion when you have your blue tinted glasses on.
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"The top 10% of taxpayers paid 60% of all income tax in 2023–24 (ifs) All those millionaires leaving means the rest of us will have to pay more tax. One of those 13 billionaires is Range boss Chris Dawson, who used to live up the road, and has moved to Monoco. " Haha, nice try. But you can't move to make figures read differently to what is reality with me at least. Top 10% of Taxpayers are not the same as the wealthiest 10%. Wealthiest don't pay 'income tax'. It's just a logical fallacy that millionaires leaving UK means higher taxes for the poor, one that commonly gets fed from the billionaire families (rothermere, murdoch, barclay) who own the british media mail, sun, times, torygraph etc. Chris Dawson moving to Monaco to hide/horde wealth while his customer base is still in the UK paying them PASSIVE income that the UK does not tax at 40% like anyone on PAYE. The reason "the rich" are leaving the UK is more sinister than because they don't want to pay tax. The UK product is in the gutter, wealthy people are more likely to be targeted by crime, the infrastructure is crap, second rate to most other developed nations, the investment isn't there, but the main reason is the UK consumer has no spending power. As someone has already said 14 years of austerity/DOGE whatever you want to call it (I would argue it's been 40 years of no investment and austerity and lab/con have been the same) has led to a declining nation and unpleasant place to live. If I was a billionaire and payed £10m more tax than another residence, but I felt my environment was better than that neighbouring residence, I'd stay there. But the thing is if I had a billion of wealth, I'd make £50,60 70m in passive every year without doing anything. | |||
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"The top 10% of taxpayers paid 60% of all income tax in 2023–24 (ifs) All those millionaires leaving means the rest of us will have to pay more tax. One of those 13 billionaires is Range boss Chris Dawson, who used to live up the road, and has moved to Monoco. Haha, nice try. But you can't move to make figures read differently to what is reality with me at least. Top 10% of Taxpayers are not the same as the wealthiest 10%. Wealthiest don't pay 'income tax'. It's just a logical fallacy that millionaires leaving UK means higher taxes for the poor, one that commonly gets fed from the billionaire families (rothermere, murdoch, barclay) who own the british media mail, sun, times, torygraph etc. Chris Dawson moving to Monaco to hide/horde wealth while his customer base is still in the UK paying them PASSIVE income that the UK does not tax at 40% like anyone on PAYE. The reason "the rich" are leaving the UK is more sinister than because they don't want to pay tax. The UK product is in the gutter, wealthy people are more likely to be targeted by crime, the infrastructure is crap, second rate to most other developed nations, the investment isn't there, but the main reason is the UK consumer has no spending power. As someone has already said 14 years of austerity/DOGE whatever you want to call it (I would argue it's been 40 years of no investment and austerity and lab/con have been the same) has led to a declining nation and unpleasant place to live. If I was a billionaire and payed £10m more tax than another residence, but I felt my environment was better than that neighbouring residence, I'd stay there. But the thing is if I had a billion of wealth, I'd make £50,60 70m in passive every year without doing anything. " Sorry which uk domiciled billionaires do you think aren't paying any tax in the uk? Regarding taxation The cumulative shortfall between receipts and spending of £132bn for the first 11 months of the financial year was £15bn higher than for the same period last year, £20bn more than was estimated by the OBR at the time of the Autumn Budget, and £58bn more than was originally budgeted last March. The ONS reports that this is the third highest deficit for the first 11 months of the financial year since monthly records began in 1993, exceeded only by the pandemic in 2020/21 and the financial crisis in 2009/10." Tax receipts aren't at the level remotely required I mean. I've no idea how any one calls the Labour years austerity. 40 years? Really?that's a big stretch of the imagination. It seems austerity has gone down the same route of " far right , nazi,, genocide, climate catastrophe/ disaster/ emergency" Say it enough and you hope it sticks. Even if reality is smacking you in the face saying otherwise. | |||
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"The rich are not leaving the UK. The OP is talking bollocks quoting figures from a document that has already been proven to be make believe. Obviously the story suits many on here but as usual, absolute pish. This forum should be renamed the fantasy forum rather than politics." Sorry but the figures are all accounted for . | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. " The BBC had an article today on the employment side and it was pretty grim and much was a direct consequence of government policy. I suppose at least they have finally back tracked on the winter fuel fiasco though it took a beating at the ballot box to convince them. They need some good news fairly quickly. | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all..." Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. The BBC had an article today on the employment side and it was pretty grim and much was a direct consequence of government policy. I suppose at least they have finally back tracked on the winter fuel fiasco though it took a beating at the ballot box to convince them. They need some good news fairly quickly." Unemployment the highest since Covid apparently. Many other metrics not looking good either. Where will they find good news quickly. | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. " So you do personally acknowledge there was austerity. | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. So you do personally acknowledge there was austerity." Of course there was, but it was there to pick up the pieces after a failed labour government. There can't be a rewrite of history... | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. So you do personally acknowledge there was austerity." Do you admit there wasn't 14 years of austerity? Can you define austerity? | |||
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"And that's not too mention : let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2 : let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's ... : the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums." Is that the case? So all Labour have to do is cancel HS2, and smart motorways, and NHS changes. With the same amount of money coming in, and none of it going to 'Tory chums', they'll have a massive surplus that they can use for the public good. Why haven't they done that yet? | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. " Because the sub prime mortgage fell on its arse, leading to the global financial crash in 08? | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. So you do personally acknowledge there was austerity. Of course there was, but it was there to pick up the pieces after a failed labour government. There can't be a rewrite of history..." Yeah you're dead right, Alistair Darling didn't ensure that Johnny and Fanny in America weren't playing poker with the sub prime mortgage markets.. Bad labour..  | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. Because the sub prime mortgage fell on its arse, leading to the global financial crash in 08?" I’m not going to go deep on this, you know public spending was out of control and someone mentioned privatisation of the NHS, shall we begin with PFI under Blair?. As I said we can’t rewrite history no matter how uncomfortable it is. | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. Because the sub prime mortgage fell on its arse, leading to the global financial crash in 08? I’m not going to go deep on this, you know public spending was out of control and someone mentioned privatisation of the NHS, shall we begin with PFI under Blair?. As I said we can’t rewrite history no matter how uncomfortable it is." The information is there on the economic performance 97-08.. Yes PFI has been a strategic mistake but to suggest Blair started it is utter nonsense and you know that.. | |||
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"And that's not too mention : let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2 : let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's ... : the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums. Is that the case? So all Labour have to do is cancel HS2, and smart motorways, and NHS changes. With the same amount of money coming in, and none of it going to 'Tory chums', they'll have a massive surplus that they can use for the public good. Why haven't they done that yet?" Because they are all the same looking after themselves and friends and family, ensuring lucrative contracts fall in the right direction, it's been going on since the wheel was invented. A quick Google search reveals the companies that have made billions from HS2. " The old boy network" in full swing. | |||
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"And that's not too mention : let's line the pockets of our Eaton chums, sorry HS2 : let's line the pockets of other chums, sorry the absolute disgrace that's the smart motorway's ... : the intentional and deliberate over complication and red tape that has caused the NHS to become constipated with unnecessary administration, because the Tory party wants a privatised system that'll guess what line the pockets of their chums." "Is that the case? So all Labour have to do is cancel HS2, and smart motorways, and NHS changes. With the same amount of money coming in, and none of it going to 'Tory chums', they'll have a massive surplus that they can use for the public good. Why haven't they done that yet?" "Because they are all the same looking after themselves and friends and family, ensuring lucrative contracts fall in the right direction, it's been going on since the wheel was invented. A quick Google search reveals the companies that have made billions from HS2. " The old boy network" in full swing." So why did you specifically aim your steam of invective at the Tories? Why didn't you call out Labour as well? | |||
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"Apparently that 10k figure equates to about 0.2% of UK millionaires..." Josiah Mortimer also reporting tonight that a recent study debunks this as pure right wing print media fiction | |||
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"Apparently that 10k figure equates to about 0.2% of UK millionaires..." Two years ago ubs estimated 3.06 million millionaires in uk, more than France and Germany apparently. The report goes on that the number of millionaires will reduce to 2.5 million by 2028 £9trn of the £13.3trn UK wealth is property, won’t take much of house price inflation to create some more millionaires. Not quite sure what the messages here are really. FTSE is at near all time high as are house prices. | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. Because the sub prime mortgage fell on its arse, leading to the global financial crash in 08? I’m not going to go deep on this, you know public spending was out of control and someone mentioned privatisation of the NHS, shall we begin with PFI under Blair?. As I said we can’t rewrite history no matter how uncomfortable it is. The information is there on the economic performance 97-08.. Yes PFI has been a strategic mistake but to suggest Blair started it is utter nonsense and you know that.." Labour laid the foundations for the cause and effect of the financial crash. Between 1999 – 2007, public spending rose by 50%. They broke their own fiscal rules, removed BoE supervision, allowed 100% + mortgages, and ignored the debt bubble was bursting warnings, whilst being reliant on financial sector tax income to fund the artificial boom we are still paying for now. When the crash came, we went from a small deficit to £150 billion borrowing in under a year. That was back in the day, and we now have Reeves talking about a 22billion blackhole, peanuts, and BS. Going back to PFI Major started it, but Blair and Brown they signed over 700 contracts. They loaded the UK with longterm debt for short term BOOM, which we wont be paying off for another 10 years or more.... Brown broke his fiscal rules, that must sound familiar?? Reeves and Starmer have been keen to distance themselves from the wrong doings of the last labour government, with the fiscal mantra, lets see what happens in the autumn... Having said all that, Blair gave me the opportunity to thrive in M&A, it was a free for all, the best time for me. | |||
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"Apparently that 10k figure equates to about 0.2% of UK millionaires... Josiah Mortimer also reporting tonight that a recent study debunks this as pure right wing print media fiction " No it's not i am afraid | |||
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"Apparently that 10k figure equates to about 0.2% of UK millionaires... Josiah Mortimer also reporting tonight that a recent study debunks this as pure right wing print media fiction No it's not i am afraid" I saw a report debunking the debunking. But I think there’s a program on Netflix tonight debunking that. But all joking aside, those with £1-2 million have nearly all their wealth tied up in the family home. They ain’t going anywhere but their wealth isn’t contributing to the economy or the treasury. Their income will be but inheriting a million pound home from your parents doesn’t mean you are cash rich or a high earner. Chances are the inheritance tax wiped out any cash that came with the property. It’s those who have £5 million plus that contribute. They are also usually fairly mobile owning homes overseas. They can pick and choose where they pay their taxes. | |||
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"Apparently that 10k figure equates to about 0.2% of UK millionaires... Josiah Mortimer also reporting tonight that a recent study debunks this as pure right wing print media fiction No it's not i am afraid I saw a report debunking the debunking. But I think there’s a program on Netflix tonight debunking that. But all joking aside, those with £1-2 million have nearly all their wealth tied up in the family home. They ain’t going anywhere but their wealth isn’t contributing to the economy or the treasury. Their income will be but inheriting a million pound home from your parents doesn’t mean you are cash rich or a high earner. Chances are the inheritance tax wiped out any cash that came with the property. It’s those who have £5 million plus that contribute. They are also usually fairly mobile owning homes overseas. They can pick and choose where they pay their taxes. " You need to remember that being not resident for tax purposes does not necessarily mean leaving the UK. In year one you can spend 91 days in the UK, this goes up to 180 after a couple of years you can still own property businesses and send your children to school in the UK you can have a house in Ireland or northern France and family can easily pop over to see you, you can maintain all your ISA and pensions as long as you don’t add to them but they still grow nicely and then when you are ready for retirement, you can come back because nobody wants to retire outside of Europe | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. " Something to do with a note left behind at the treasury in 2010. "There's no money left". | |||
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"Mad that there's people in here denying that austerity even happened at all... Crazier still is the denial from the left as to why austerity was needed in the first place. Something to do with a note left behind at the treasury in 2010. "There's no money left"." Which the then liberal guy (David something other?)later admitted was the usual jolly jape that goes on between outgoing and incoming chancellors etc, did he not later apologise for using it to score cheap political points? | |||
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"The one place employment continues to soar is in the public sector. According to the ONS: “Employment in the public sector was estimated at 6.15 million in March 2025, an increase of 7,000 (0.1%) compared with December 2024, and an increase of 35,000 (0.6%) compared with March 2024”. Got to generate those Labour voters somehow! Tax increases incoming." The sector where productivity goes to die. | |||
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"The one place employment continues to soar is in the public sector. According to the ONS: “Employment in the public sector was estimated at 6.15 million in March 2025, an increase of 7,000 (0.1%) compared with December 2024, and an increase of 35,000 (0.6%) compared with March 2024”. Got to generate those Labour voters somehow! Tax increases incoming. The sector where productivity goes to die." This is the place Labour always creates jobs. They then claim “employment is up” leading their followers to think treasury receipts will be up while not realising that a public sector job is a drain on the treasury. | |||
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"Total payroll employees down over 200k since labour took over. 10k millionaires have left he uk since June 24 13 billionaires The farm tax looks to be a dude. 3 times as many more students( 10k) in state school from the vat grab on private schools. Which means 10k more meals, more teachers needed, more infrastructure, less tax paid to gov than expected. All investment in north sea stopped. More migrant boats which will require more housing now estimated 15bn after they scrapped Rwanda. is it time for Reeves and Starmer to go? He's going to hand the keys to a reform/ tory alliance in 4 years and labour won't ever be voted in again for 2 decades. The BBC had an article today on the employment side and it was pretty grim and much was a direct consequence of government policy. I suppose at least they have finally back tracked on the winter fuel fiasco though it took a beating at the ballot box to convince them. They need some good news fairly quickly. Unemployment the highest since Covid apparently. Many other metrics not looking good either. Where will they find good news quickly. " Unfortunately I have no idea where the good news will come from but surely there is something they won't mess up, isn't there  | |||
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