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"Why have these attacks caused such a visceral reaction?" Media focus and general popular sentiment. The Belfast Telegraph describes an "anti-immigrant" protest, without saying anything at all about the citizenship/nationality of the accused. This is a clever way to say "it was immigrants". | |||
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"Why have these attacks caused such a visceral reaction? Media focus and general popular sentiment. The Belfast Telegraph describes an "anti-immigrant" protest, without saying anything at all about the citizenship/nationality of the accused. This is a clever way to say "it was immigrants"." And the Express said" "On Monday morning, they had both appeared in Coleraine Magistrates' Court to confirm their names and ages and to deny the charge of attempted oral r@pe, through a Romanian interpreter".  | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ?" "However they start, riots are almost always soon controlled by criminals who see an opportunity to undermine police authority. I doubt these are any different." - 🤡 | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ?" There's no war or famine in Romania. What are they doing in Ireland | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ? There's no war or famine in Romania. What are they doing in Ireland " The same as British are doing in Paris... Working within a country into which they legally migrated, as is their right? | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ? There's no war or famine in Romania. What are they doing in Ireland The same as British are doing in Paris... Working within a country into which they legally migrated, as is their right?" Absolutely. But hopefully for the minority who commit serious crimes that right will be immediately withdrawn on conviction. | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ?" This is fact, however uncomfortable. We have a local Robert Dyas that had anti theft tags on screws. The cashier explained to us that the prevalence of theft was the highest in the country, predominantly due to a people of a certain nationality. While not scientifically sounds research, she was probably quite right. There is a huge issue with many ex-communist countries, for example, where values have typically been different, for a whole lot of extremely understandable reasons. If we hold up our social values as superior (e.g. don't do FGM, don't bribe officials, allow education to women), then we (by definition) need to tolerate the quirks and "inferiority" of aspects of other cultures to a point, while gradually leading people towards our values. Or simply close up the borders, as Japan did. Or be exceptionally picky about whom we let in. We also have to ask how many of our values are affordable due to wealth (we can afford not to be corrupt), and consider how we (as a society) would behave under different circumstances. ALL of that said, there is no excuse at all for r@pe. But perhaps the us vs them mentality and a general antipathy towards a specific community had given this case exceptional prominence. It's funny how the same people who reject "no Jews, no news", or a disproportionate account of negative reporting on Israel, are very quick to point out an imbalance of emphasis on migrant or minority community reporting within the UK. | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ? This is fact, however uncomfortable. We have a local Robert Dyas that had anti theft tags on screws. The cashier explained to us that the prevalence of theft was the highest in the country, predominantly due to a people of a certain nationality. While not scientifically sounds research, she was probably quite right. There is a huge issue with many ex-communist countries, for example, where values have typically been different, for a whole lot of extremely understandable reasons. If we hold up our social values as superior (e.g. don't do FGM, don't bribe officials, allow education to women), then we (by definition) need to tolerate the quirks and "inferiority" of aspects of other cultures to a point, while gradually leading people towards our values. Or simply close up the borders, as Japan did. Or be exceptionally picky about whom we let in. We also have to ask how many of our values are affordable due to wealth (we can afford not to be corrupt), and consider how we (as a society) would behave under different circumstances. ALL of that said, there is no excuse at all for r@pe. But perhaps the us vs them mentality and a general antipathy towards a specific community had given this case exceptional prominence. It's funny how the same people who reject "no Jews, no news", or a disproportionate account of negative reporting on Israel, are very quick to point out an imbalance of emphasis on migrant or minority community reporting within the UK. " Cultural differences will always exist, but it is the responsibility of those arriving to understand and respect the laws and values of the host country. Where cultural differences conflict with the law or the society they live, it is for the person arriving to adapt, not the host society to lower its standards or tolerate behaviour that they would not tolerate natively. It’s a basic social contract, respect the laws and values of the country you enter. | |||
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"There is an abundance of data from across Europe showing far higher rates of crime among some, not all, migrant communities, and especially crimes against women. Why should anyone be expected to tolerate this ? This is fact, however uncomfortable. We have a local Robert Dyas that had anti theft tags on screws. The cashier explained to us that the prevalence of theft was the highest in the country, predominantly due to a people of a certain nationality. While not scientifically sounds research, she was probably quite right. There is a huge issue with many ex-communist countries, for example, where values have typically been different, for a whole lot of extremely understandable reasons. If we hold up our social values as superior (e.g. don't do FGM, don't bribe officials, allow education to women), then we (by definition) need to tolerate the quirks and "inferiority" of aspects of other cultures to a point, while gradually leading people towards our values. Or simply close up the borders, as Japan did. Or be exceptionally picky about whom we let in. We also have to ask how many of our values are affordable due to wealth (we can afford not to be corrupt), and consider how we (as a society) would behave under different circumstances. ALL of that said, there is no excuse at all for r@pe. But perhaps the us vs them mentality and a general antipathy towards a specific community had given this case exceptional prominence. It's funny how the same people who reject "no Jews, no news", or a disproportionate account of negative reporting on Israel, are very quick to point out an imbalance of emphasis on migrant or minority community reporting within the UK. Cultural differences will always exist, but it is the responsibility of those arriving to understand and respect the laws and values of the host country. Where cultural differences conflict with the law or the society they live, it is for the person arriving to adapt, not the host society to lower its standards or tolerate behaviour that they would not tolerate natively. It’s a basic social contract, respect the laws and values of the country you enter." Unfortunately the Social Contract has collapsed in many places. | |||
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"As it's the Orish it's very telling how Starmer has spoken about it. Words to the effect of them giving time for the police to investigate the Romanian teens. As opposed to, 'you're all far right and I'm going to have you all jailed'. At least he's smart enough to know the Irish would be galvanised by threats. The English could learn a thing or two from them. It shows how tightly knit communities command respect from the authorities." nope, it just shows that the righties don't care if they burn kids just to make a crap point about something insignificant. so basically sthey are acting like scum. | |||
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"As it's the Orish it's very telling how Starmer has spoken about it. Words to the effect of them giving time for the police to investigate the Romanian teens. As opposed to, 'you're all far right and I'm going to have you all jailed'. At least he's smart enough to know the Irish would be galvanised by threats. The English could learn a thing or two from them. It shows how tightly knit communities command respect from the authorities. nope, it just shows that the righties don't care if they burn kids just to make a crap point about something insignificant. so basically sthey are acting like scum." sexual assaults are not insignificant ! | |||
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"As it's the Orish it's very telling how Starmer has spoken about it. Words to the effect of them giving time for the police to investigate the Romanian teens. As opposed to, 'you're all far right and I'm going to have you all jailed'. At least he's smart enough to know the Irish would be galvanised by threats. The English could learn a thing or two from them. It shows how tightly knit communities command respect from the authorities. nope, it just shows that the righties don't care if they burn kids just to make a crap point about something insignificant. so basically sthey are acting like scum. sexual assaults are not insignificant ! " i'm glad we agree  | |||
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"As it's the Orish it's very telling how Starmer has spoken about it. Words to the effect of them giving time for the police to investigate the Romanian teens. As opposed to, 'you're all far right and I'm going to have you all jailed'. At least he's smart enough to know the Irish would be galvanised by threats. The English could learn a thing or two from them. It shows how tightly knit communities command respect from the authorities. nope, it just shows that the righties don't care if they burn kids just to make a crap point about something insignificant. so basically sthey are acting like scum. sexual assaults are not insignificant ! " Well said. | |||
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"Sure it's build up for them marching season next month 🥁🥁🪈🪈lol" Why lol? | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences?" That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. " If Northern Ireland has enough nonces of its own, probably best not to import them as well. | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences?" Or when Davy T was convicted | |||
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"It's just gratuitous disorder - rioting for the sake of rioting. If these thugs cared so much about their beloved communities, why are they burning innocent people out of their homes?" or groups of children out of liesure centres for that matter? | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. " Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? | |||
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"Sure it's build up for them marching season next month 🥁🥁🪈🪈lol Why lol?" As fr Ted said those pesky protestants up to no good again lol, only kidding, I as a Irish nationalist believe our other half the loyalist community has a right, I think things gone to far but that poor girl was sexualy assault, if it was a child from a nationalist/republican side they would get same, both sides of the border on the island of Ireland had enough, but for what I said won't be long before they march and burn anything that is Irish lol yet forget they were born on Irish soil, Ulster not six counties it's nine a province of Ireland but as said I believe the protest turned loyalest rather than peaceful but could of been same other way if happened on nationalist side of Ballymena, been there times and great place except for the drugs but | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play?" Absolutely | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? Absolutely " So, to be clear, disproportionate criticism of a specific group, shining a spotlight on them but ignoring the bad (or worse) behaviour by other groups... This is bigotry? | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? Absolutely So, to be clear, disproportionate criticism of a specific group, shining a spotlight on them but ignoring the bad (or worse) behaviour by other groups... This is bigotry?" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? Absolutely So, to be clear, disproportionate criticism of a specific group, shining a spotlight on them but ignoring the bad (or worse) behaviour by other groups... This is bigotry? No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. " What's the distinction, then? | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? Absolutely So, to be clear, disproportionate criticism of a specific group, shining a spotlight on them but ignoring the bad (or worse) behaviour by other groups... This is bigotry? No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then?" Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning " Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism." Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? Absolutely So, to be clear, disproportionate criticism of a specific group, shining a spotlight on them but ignoring the bad (or worse) behaviour by other groups... This is bigotry?" *wades through the crowd of straw men* If the same crime is commited by a majority ethnic group and simultaneously by a minority ethnic group, and the minority ethnic group gets disproportionate backlash, it’s probably bigotry. This is obvious no matter how much clumsy chicanery you use to try and whatabout it into meaninglessness. | |||
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"Didn't see the same protests when Jeffery Donaldson was arrested for similar offences? That's because he looks like them. It's only an outrage and protest-worthy if you're not white and Northern Ireland born and bred. Are you saying that, when a group of people march or protest when DIFFERENT people do something bad, but don't when people SIMILAR (or value aligned) to them do something equally bad, then probably there is racism or other bigotry at play? Absolutely So, to be clear, disproportionate criticism of a specific group, shining a spotlight on them but ignoring the bad (or worse) behaviour by other groups... This is bigotry? *wades through the crowd of straw men* If the same crime is commited by a majority ethnic group and simultaneously by a minority ethnic group, and the minority ethnic group gets disproportionate backlash, it’s probably bigotry. This is obvious no matter how much clumsy chicanery you use to try and whatabout it into meaninglessness. " 100% agreed | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism." Why have you copied and pasted my reply - which is specific to this thread - into a completely different thread where it is used out of context? My reply here is specific to events in Northern Ireland. If I had wanted to comment on the other thread I'd have done so myself. | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Why have you copied and pasted my reply - which is specific to this thread - into a completely different thread where it is used out of context? My reply here is specific to events in Northern Ireland. If I had wanted to comment on the other thread I'd have done so myself." | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play " A rather bizarre and unbalanced post. Only a very small proportion of people are bigots and you will find them in every town in the UK , not specifically Portadown . Trying to ignore people's legitimate concerns s hardly helps matters. | |||
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" Cultural differences will always exist, but it is the responsibility of those arriving to understand and respect the laws and values of the host country. Where cultural differences conflict with the law or the society they live, it is for the person arriving to adapt, not the host society to lower its standards or tolerate behaviour that they would not tolerate natively. It’s a basic social contract, respect the laws and values of the country you enter." Have you any understanding of the history of Ireland, or the British Empire or our more recent involvements in Libya, Iran and Iraq? If you had you might pronounce less about how people should or shouldn't act. | |||
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" A rather bizarre and unbalanced post. Only a very small proportion of people are bigots and you will find them in every town in the UK , not specifically Portadown . Trying to ignore people's legitimate concerns s hardly helps matters. " Is this due to a very narrow definition of “bigot”. Because while I’ve no data, I don’t think it’s that small a proportion. I’ll concede that some of it is ignorance as opposed to informed malice. | |||
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" Cultural differences will always exist, but it is the responsibility of those arriving to understand and respect the laws and values of the host country. Where cultural differences conflict with the law or the society they live, it is for the person arriving to adapt, not the host society to lower its standards or tolerate behaviour that they would not tolerate natively. It’s a basic social contract, respect the laws and values of the country you enter. Have you any understanding of the history of Ireland, or the British Empire or our more recent involvements in Libya, Iran and Iraq? If you had you might pronounce less about how people should or shouldn't act. " Can you elaborate? In principle, arriving as an alien in another culture/country and then deliberately behaving in conflict with it is a very pompous attitude to take. That’s what this country used to do everywhere we went and we’re not well regarded for it. | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play A rather bizarre and unbalanced post. Only a very small proportion of people are bigots and you will find them in every town in the UK , not specifically Portadown . Trying to ignore people's legitimate concerns s hardly helps matters. " It's not bizarre or unbalanced. I live amongst it. I see it and hear it every day. In fact, if I turn my head and look out my window I can see it . And for clarity I wasn't talking about Portadown (which is in itself deeply polarised). The thread is about Ballymena. Sure, there are towns in Northern Ireland where there is less division, and - thankfully - much of the younger generation are more enlightened. But you can sure as shit put your wages on them not being the ones who were out causing trouble in Ballymena. | |||
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"A rather bizarre and unbalanced post. Only a very small proportion of people are bigots and you will find them in every town in the UK , not specifically Portadown . Trying to ignore people's legitimate concerns s hardly helps matters." "Is this due to a very narrow definition of “bigot”. Because while I’ve no data, I don’t think it’s that small a proportion." The definition of 'bigot' is "one who is intolerant of the views of others". I'm going to say that intolerance of other people's views is on the increase. It seems almost impossible nowadays to say something without someone taking offence, and telling you that you're wrong to think that way. | |||
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"They kicked off because of a suspected SA but did nothing when Jeffery was accused of worse. So when they say they are doing it to protect women and girls they are full of shite" . Two completely different scenarios to which there is no comparison. Jeffrey Donaldson and his wife were arrested, charged and subsequently bailed. In many cases allegations of historic abuse can be doubtfull and require very carefull handling. In any event they are both innocent unto proved guilty . In the case of the riots we do not have either the names or the identities of the offenders. We only know their nationality because they asked for someone to translate. The alleged attacksrs are Romanian. To most people it is bad enough having to deal with criminals who are UK residents without having the additional problem of dealing with criminals from abroad. In any event the intention of the protests was to be peacefull and they were started in good faith. | |||
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" To most people it is bad enough having to deal with criminals who are UK residents without having the additional problem of dealing with criminals from abroad. " Sorry, what????? I would imagine to most people being the victim of a crime is the biggest issue, not the nationality of the alleged offender. How does the nationality of the alleged offender affect the severity of the crime itself? | |||
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" To most people it is bad enough having to deal with criminals who are UK residents without having the additional problem of dealing with criminals from abroad. Sorry, what????? I would imagine to most people being the victim of a crime is the biggest issue, not the nationality of the alleged offender. How does the nationality of the alleged offender affect the severity of the crime itself? " . No one said that that the nationality of the offender affected the victim. The more important point which you have over looked is that we probably have enough UK resident criminals without having to deal with those who come here from abroad and committ crime. | |||
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" No one said that that the nationality of the offender affected the victim. " Fair, but I imagine the victims would be a little troubled if “most people” were more preoccupied with the nationality of the offender than the crime itself. | |||
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" The definition of 'bigot' is "one who is intolerant of the views of others". I'm going to say that intolerance of other people's views is on the increase. It seems almost impossible nowadays to say something without someone taking offence, and telling you that you're wrong to think that way." Agreed, it must be awful feeling as though you’re surrounded by people that don’t agree with your views and try to deny you your right to exist peacefully and without ridicule or intimidation. | |||
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"The definition of 'bigot' is "one who is intolerant of the views of others". I'm going to say that intolerance of other people's views is on the increase. It seems almost impossible nowadays to say something without someone taking offence, and telling you that you're wrong to think that way." "Agreed, it must be awful feeling as though you’re surrounded by people that don’t agree with your views and try to deny you your right to exist peacefully and without ridicule or intimidation." I don't think anyone does feel that way. Social media allows people to live most of their lives in a bubble where everyone thinks along the same lines as them. I think this is part of the reason why people have become so polarised, because they don't often experience someone disagreeing with them. | |||
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" To most people it is bad enough having to deal with criminals who are UK residents without having the additional problem of dealing with criminals from abroad. Sorry, what????? I would imagine to most people being the victim of a crime is the biggest issue, not the nationality of the alleged offender. How does the nationality of the alleged offender affect the severity of the crime itself? . No one said that that the nationality of the offender affected the victim. The more important point which you have over looked is that we probably have enough UK resident criminals without having to deal with those who come here from abroad and committ crime. " Why do you think my comment overlooks UK offenders? It doesn't. | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play " You seem to have a bitterness and hatred building up inside. Perhaps it's not just in the white protestant estates it thrives ? | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play You seem to have a bitterness and hatred building up inside. Perhaps it's not just in the white protestant estates it thrives ?" I am a white Protestant who lives in a predominantly white Protestant area, so you can pack away whatever assumptions you were making there  | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play You seem to have a bitterness and hatred building up inside. Perhaps it's not just in the white protestant estates it thrives ? I am a white Protestant who lives in a predominantly white Protestant area, so you can pack away whatever assumptions you were making there "So you'll know not all white protestant people are scumbags then, even those living in "estates" | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play You seem to have a bitterness and hatred building up inside. Perhaps it's not just in the white protestant estates it thrives ? I am a white Protestant who lives in a predominantly white Protestant area, so you can pack away whatever assumptions you were making there
So you'll know not all white protestant people are scumbags then, even those living in "estates" "Of course not. I never claimed they were, or used the word scumbag . | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play You seem to have a bitterness and hatred building up inside. Perhaps it's not just in the white protestant estates it thrives ? I am a white Protestant who lives in a predominantly white Protestant area, so you can pack away whatever assumptions you were making there "I'm under the understanding Newry like Derry and the north west is predominantly white Catholic rather white protestant, just saying as you have Newry as your area. | |||
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" No. I agreed that there is probably racism and bigotry at play. What's the distinction, then? Between "is" and "is probably"? Perhaps you could make your point instead of sealioning Sure. Point made here: https://m.fabswingers.com/forum/politics/1710266#message_41789492 It's good to see someone else making this point, without receiving criticism. Those who took part have grown up in a petri dish of bigotry and intolerance. They've grown up on white Protestant estates, and gone to white Protestant schools in a town that is well known to be mostly white Protestant in a not particularly diverse country where bigotry is dyed in the wool. They've heard their parents espouse hatred and vitriol towards people who are different to them. Their exposure to people who are different to them has been limited all their lives. When you read the language used by those who lend their support, and given the Northern Ireland factor, then yes, there is probably racism and bigotry at play You seem to have a bitterness and hatred building up inside. Perhaps it's not just in the white protestant estates it thrives ? I am a white Protestant who lives in a predominantly white Protestant area, so you can pack away whatever assumptions you were making there
I'm under the understanding Newry like Derry and the north west is predominantly white Catholic rather white protestant, just saying as you have Newry as your area."I'm sorry for not providing my exact location on Fab
I'm sure you're also aware that, despite the overall demographic of both places, there are areas that are predominantly Protestant | |||
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"I’m not sure why religion is being brought up here? Are the protestors predominantly Catholic or Protestant? How is this information known? Are they all wearing green or orange? " It's in relation to a post further up the thread. The protesters (and those who took part in the subsequent unrest) were predominantly Protestant. How is this known? Extrapolation of many things that are obvious if you live here | |||
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"I’m not sure why religion is being brought up here? Are the protestors predominantly Catholic or Protestant? How is this information known? Are they all wearing green or orange? It's in relation to a post further up the thread. The protesters (and those who took part in the subsequent unrest) were predominantly Protestant. How is this known? Extrapolation of many things that are obvious if you live here" What were those damn prods doing in Londonderry the last few nights ? Isn't that out of their territory? | |||
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"I’m not sure why religion is being brought up here? Are the protestors predominantly Catholic or Protestant? How is this information known? Are they all wearing green or orange? " It happened in the protestant area of Ballymena, used to drive past loads of times to collect a fwb and bring her back to mine lol | |||
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"I’m not sure why religion is being brought up here? Are the protestors predominantly Catholic or Protestant? How is this information known? Are they all wearing green or orange? It's in relation to a post further up the thread. The protesters (and those who took part in the subsequent unrest) were predominantly Protestant. How is this known? Extrapolation of many things that are obvious if you live here What were those damn prods doing in Londonderry the last few nights ? Isn't that out of their territory? " Those pesky prods in doire lol | |||
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"I’ll bow to local knowledge but I do have a follow on question… Were the girls Protestant? Is that why the protestors are predominantly Protestant? I have seen loads of protests in the Republic of Ireland publicised so surely they are predominantly, if not entirely, Catholic? I’m just trying to get to the bottom of why their religion is relevant? " It's not really. I'd wager it would apply to any demographic. This meander into the religion of those involved is because way up there somewhere, someone asked why there was no outcry when Jeffrey Donaldson was charged with his offences, and my reply to that | |||
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