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" What is certainly true, is Nigel Farage is as close to what the country has to a tribune for the working classes. " A representative who voted in parliament against improving workers rights. We live in interesting times. | |||
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"I'm not sure anything has been leaked. Prevent duty training Access training courses on the Prevent duty, the threat from terrorism and extremism in the UK and how to support people susceptible to radicalisation. From: Home Office Published 1 September 2022 Last updated 25 July 2023 — See all updates Get emails about this page Contents Prevent duty courses Print this page Prevent is one part of the government’s overall counter-terrorism strategy, CONTEST. The aim of Prevent is to: tackle the ideological causes of terrorism intervene early to support people susceptible to radicalisation enable those who have already engaged in terrorism to disengage and rehabilitate This training is for people working in sectors covered by the Prevent duty, such as: education health local authorities police criminal justice agencies (prisons, probation and youth justice) Other sectors that are not covered by the Prevent duty may also complete this training. Prevent duty courses In these training courses, you will learn about: the Prevent duty different forms of extremism and terrorism the risk around radicalisation and your supportive role making a Prevent referral that is both informed and made with good intention the interventions and support available If you experience any issues with the service or our site, refer to our help section. This service is also available in Welsh (Cymraeg). Extreme Right-Wing Terrorism (ERWT) Describes those involved in Extreme Right-Wing activity who use violence in furtherance of their ideology. These ideologies can be broadly characterised as Cultural Nationalism, White Nationalism and White Supremacism. Individuals and groups may subscribe to ideological tenets and ideas from more than one category. All readily available on the Gov.uk website. " https://www.newcastle.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Prevent%20Elected%20Members%20Handbook%20(002).pdf Right-Wing Extremism – in the UK can be broadly divided into three strands; - Cultural Nationalism is a belief that Western culture is under threat from mass migration into Europe and from a lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups. - White Nationalism is a belief that mass migration from the ‘non-white’ world, and demographic change, poses an existential threat to the ‘white race’ and ‘Western culture’. - White Supremacism is a belief that the ‘white race’ has certain inalienable physical and mental characteristics that makes it superior to other races. The detail that has stirred up media interest. Nothing leaked, none of this is secret. | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. " Why let facts get in the way? | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. " So you agree that concern about lack of integration is Culutural Nationalism, which Prevent explicitly says it is ? If so you had better report The Richie Inquiry into the Oldham Riots and Louise Casey's later report for the Cameron Govt which found a total lack of integration in certain areas and communities. | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. Why let facts get in the way? " 🤷 | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. Why let facts get in the way? " Very concerning misrepresentation there. | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. So you agree that concern about lack of integration is Culutural Nationalism, which Prevent explicitly says it is ? If so you had better report The Richie Inquiry into the Oldham Riots and Louise Casey's later report for the Cameron Govt which found a total lack of integration in certain areas and communities." Nope. I haven't said anything. I've represented the Prevent programme accurately. | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. So you agree that concern about lack of integration is Culutural Nationalism, which Prevent explicitly says it is ? If so you had better report The Richie Inquiry into the Oldham Riots and Louise Casey's later report for the Cameron Govt which found a total lack of integration in certain areas and communities. Nope. I haven't said anything. I've represented the Prevent programme accurately. " Indeed you have, and its very concerning for free speech and democracy, especially from an organisation that's been heavily criticised for overlooking actual terrorists. | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. So you agree that concern about lack of integration is Culutural Nationalism, which Prevent explicitly says it is ? If so you had better report The Richie Inquiry into the Oldham Riots and Louise Casey's later report for the Cameron Govt which found a total lack of integration in certain areas and communities. Nope. I haven't said anything. I've represented the Prevent programme accurately. Indeed you have, and its very concerning for free speech and democracy, especially from an organisation that's been heavily criticised for overlooking actual terrorists." And that's overlooking the unknown cases that have been successful. Of course there are going to be enquiries into high profile cases to see what went wrong and take steps to improve. You can't say an organisation is not fit for purpose when the data available to the general public is skewed. As in, we only get to hear about the cases where things have gone wrong. We don't get to hear about the cases where individuals have been flagged to Prevent and they have been de-radicalised. Not nearly enough click bait in that. | |||
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" And now we have tentative moves to make an opposition political party illegal? " We don’t though. | |||
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" And now we have tentative moves to make an opposition political party illegal? We don’t though." Who decides if an organisation has crossed the line from legal to illegal? | |||
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" And now we have tentative moves to make an opposition political party illegal? We don’t though. Who decides if an organisation has crossed the line from legal to illegal? " There are regulations that would lead to a party being deregistered, typically involving voter fraud, illegal donations. A party cannot be declared illegal in the same way that a terrorist group can . | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. So you agree that concern about lack of integration is Culutural Nationalism, which Prevent explicitly says it is ? If so you had better report The Richie Inquiry into the Oldham Riots and Louise Casey's later report for the Cameron Govt which found a total lack of integration in certain areas and communities. Nope. I haven't said anything. I've represented the Prevent programme accurately. Indeed you have, and its very concerning for free speech and democracy, especially from an organisation that's been heavily criticised for overlooking actual terrorists. And that's overlooking the unknown cases that have been successful. Of course there are going to be enquiries into high profile cases to see what went wrong and take steps to improve. You can't say an organisation is not fit for purpose when the data available to the general public is skewed. As in, we only get to hear about the cases where things have gone wrong. We don't get to hear about the cases where individuals have been flagged to Prevent and they have been de-radicalised. Not nearly enough click bait in that. " It's the opinion of the Shawcross Review, commissioned by the Home Office. Not click bait at all. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. " Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? " Google Sinn Fein. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein." I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. | |||
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"There's no suggestion that any political party will be outlawed. What the Prevent programme says is that cultural nationalism can make individuals susceptible to extremism. Once again, people sensationalising something that isn't sensational. So you agree that concern about lack of integration is Culutural Nationalism, which Prevent explicitly says it is ? If so you had better report The Richie Inquiry into the Oldham Riots and Louise Casey's later report for the Cameron Govt which found a total lack of integration in certain areas and communities. Nope. I haven't said anything. I've represented the Prevent programme accurately. Indeed you have, and its very concerning for free speech and democracy, especially from an organisation that's been heavily criticised for overlooking actual terrorists. And that's overlooking the unknown cases that have been successful. Of course there are going to be enquiries into high profile cases to see what went wrong and take steps to improve. You can't say an organisation is not fit for purpose when the data available to the general public is skewed. As in, we only get to hear about the cases where things have gone wrong. We don't get to hear about the cases where individuals have been flagged to Prevent and they have been de-radicalised. Not nearly enough click bait in that. It's the opinion of the Shawcross Review, commissioned by the Home Office. Not click bait at all." Please can you clarify what you thought my comment of click bait was referring to? | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. " If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? " Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. | |||
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" If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform." If you genuinely believe this, I feel sorry for you. | |||
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"Diane Abbott has already suggested that Starmer’s recent musings on immigration are racist. I think we have to accept that Starmer has been radicalised, probably from spending too much time watching Nigel Farage videos on YouTube. He seems pretty obsessed with Farage. If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform. Ultimately Labour is only concerned with its own power and narrow power base, it has zero interest in the wider country." Of course Labour has already cancelled local elections in areas where Reform was very strong so the precedent has been set. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. " Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago." Did they? Or did they have a leader who used inclusive language (which he shouldn’t have done) about a group which he publicly accepts is a terror group, and one which he has criticised? | |||
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"Diane Abbott has already suggested that Starmer’s recent musings on immigration are racist. I think we have to accept that Starmer has been radicalised, probably from spending too much time watching Nigel Farage videos on YouTube. He seems pretty obsessed with Farage. If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform. Ultimately Labour is only concerned with its own power and narrow power base, it has zero interest in the wider country. Of course Labour has already cancelled local elections in areas where Reform was very strong so the precedent has been set." Cancelled, or postponed? You understand those words mean different things? And the reasons for the postponements? You really shouldn’t just repeat fake-news | |||
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" If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform. If you genuinely believe this, I feel sorry for you. " This scenario is entirely realistic. We have seen this happening in France, Romania and Germany. It almost happened in the US where Democrat administrators abused their power to try to ban Trump from standing for election. The only reason why Trump is President today is because the US Constitution worked and the judiciary stood firm in performing its function. Would the judiciary in the UK be quite so able to be impartial in the face of a Reform ban? The problem is that the entire public administration in the UK has been infiltrated by brainwashed Leftists. I’m not even sure they know what their function is today beyond enforcing whatever DEI course they went on last week. | |||
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" The problem is that the entire public administration in the UK has been infiltrated by brainwashed Leftists. I’m not even sure they know what their function is today beyond enforcing whatever DEI course they went on last week." This paragraph is so revealing. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago. Did they? Or did they have a leader who used inclusive language (which he shouldn’t have done) about a group which he publicly accepts is a terror group, and one which he has criticised? " Corbyn refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation until Nov 23. Not surprising really, he was leader of the party responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination, as concluded by the EHRC investigation into antisemitism within the labour party. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago. Did they? Or did they have a leader who used inclusive language (which he shouldn’t have done) about a group which he publicly accepts is a terror group, and one which he has criticised? Corbyn refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation until Nov 23. Not surprising really, he was leader of the party responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination, as concluded by the EHRC investigation into antisemitism within the labour party. " So we’re in agreement, what I said was correct, yes? | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago. Did they? Or did they have a leader who used inclusive language (which he shouldn’t have done) about a group which he publicly accepts is a terror group, and one which he has criticised? Corbyn refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation until Nov 23. Not surprising really, he was leader of the party responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination, as concluded by the EHRC investigation into antisemitism within the labour party. So we’re in agreement, what I said was correct, yes? " Your words in isolation yes, correct. However they offer no context which is rather important, once context is added a much more rounded picture is drawn. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago. Did they? Or did they have a leader who used inclusive language (which he shouldn’t have done) about a group which he publicly accepts is a terror group, and one which he has criticised? Corbyn refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation until Nov 23. Not surprising really, he was leader of the party responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination, as concluded by the EHRC investigation into antisemitism within the labour party. So we’re in agreement, what I said was correct, yes? Your words in isolation yes, correct. However they offer no context which is rather important, once context is added a much more rounded picture is drawn." The one thing that the British media never offered Corbyn was a contextual, rounded picture. He was immensely flawed, but a terror-loving communist he was not, contrary to popular belief. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? " We have an extremist group in power. When it came to classifying what political views were classed as terrorist and which weren’t, they classified only the far right and not the far left. When they are on the centre of left at best. Self serving determination. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? We have an extremist group in power. " We have the most mundane government of the past 30 years at least. They’re far from extremist, frankly they’re so middle of the road that they’re ineffective and upsetting everyone equally. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? Google Sinn Fein. I’m aware of Sinn Fein, thanks - they were allowed to exist openly and legally ‘for the greater good’ essentially while talks with the IRA were taking place in secrecy, since Thatcher had wrongly proclaimed she wouldn’t negotiate with terrorists. If you're aware of Sinn Fein why did you talk about a hypothetical terrorist party running for Parliament ? Because the Sinn Fein example is quite unique, and would be different from let’s say a hamas or white-supremacy group trying to gain power. Sinn Fein were a direct result of British policy. Labour had a pro Hamas leader not long ago. Did they? Or did they have a leader who used inclusive language (which he shouldn’t have done) about a group which he publicly accepts is a terror group, and one which he has criticised? Corbyn refused to call Hamas a terrorist organisation until Nov 23. Not surprising really, he was leader of the party responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination, as concluded by the EHRC investigation into antisemitism within the labour party. So we’re in agreement, what I said was correct, yes? Your words in isolation yes, correct. However they offer no context which is rather important, once context is added a much more rounded picture is drawn. The one thing that the British media never offered Corbyn was a contextual, rounded picture. He was immensely flawed, but a terror-loving communist he was not, contrary to popular belief." I think the most damming media coverage of Corbyn that I saw personally was self inflicted. It was leading up to Brexit vote and he was asked 14 times what his personal view was and 14 times he refused to answer the question. When the Lib Dem leader of the time described Corbyn as a 1970s socialist and Johnson as an Eton educated self entitled elitist they nailed them both. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? We have an extremist group in power. We have the most mundane government of the past 30 years at least. They’re far from extremist, frankly they’re so middle of the road that they’re ineffective and upsetting everyone equally. " I agree they are upsetting everyone. Some of the stuff they have discussed would make Robert Generic look left wing. And some of it is so far to the left it makes Corbyn look far right. All joking aside, I’m not sure if they are guilty of trying to be all things to all people, or they just have a wild brained leftie idea to spend money on something and then an ever more wild brained right wing idea of where to cut other spending to pay for it. I really can’t see Starmer leading Labour at the next election but I hope he does. | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? We have an extremist group in power. We have the most mundane government of the past 30 years at least. They’re far from extremist, frankly they’re so middle of the road that they’re ineffective and upsetting everyone equally. I agree they are upsetting everyone. Some of the stuff they have discussed would make Robert Generic look left wing. And some of it is so far to the left it makes Corbyn look far right. All joking aside, I’m not sure if they are guilty of trying to be all things to all people, or they just have a wild brained leftie idea to spend money on something and then an ever more wild brained right wing idea of where to cut other spending to pay for it. I really can’t see Starmer leading Labour at the next election but I hope he does. " I’d love to hear some of their ‘far left’ policies. I’d probably like them. Can you expand on those? | |||
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"Diane Abbott has already suggested that Starmer’s recent musings on immigration are racist. I think we have to accept that Starmer has been radicalised, probably from spending too much time watching Nigel Farage videos on YouTube. He seems pretty obsessed with Farage. If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform. Ultimately Labour is only concerned with its own power and narrow power base, it has zero interest in the wider country. Of course Labour has already cancelled local elections in areas where Reform was very strong so the precedent has been set. Cancelled, or postponed? You understand those words mean different things? And the reasons for the postponements? You really shouldn’t just repeat fake-news" Cancelled. Many borough councils will now cease to exist and residents have lost the right to vote for them forever. The new elections will be for a completely different structure of unitary authorities and do not represent a 'postponement'. | |||
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"Diane Abbott has already suggested that Starmer’s recent musings on immigration are racist. I think we have to accept that Starmer has been radicalised, probably from spending too much time watching Nigel Farage videos on YouTube. He seems pretty obsessed with Farage. If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform. Ultimately Labour is only concerned with its own power and narrow power base, it has zero interest in the wider country. Of course Labour has already cancelled local elections in areas where Reform was very strong so the precedent has been set. Cancelled, or postponed? You understand those words mean different things? And the reasons for the postponements? You really shouldn’t just repeat fake-news Cancelled. Many borough councils will now cease to exist and residents have lost the right to vote for them forever. The new elections will be for a completely different structure of unitary authorities and do not represent a 'postponement'. " Residents in those 9 areas will get a vote next year, am I right? Are you aware of why the boroughs find themselves in this situation? | |||
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"In Germany the AFD is the official Opposition and currently leads the polls yet the Intelligence Services have classed the party as domestic extremists and many politicians from other parties have called for an outright ban. Well domestic terrorists are a thing. If we hypothetically had an extremist group in the U.K running for Parliament, what should we do? We have an extremist group in power. We have the most mundane government of the past 30 years at least. They’re far from extremist, frankly they’re so middle of the road that they’re ineffective and upsetting everyone equally. I agree they are upsetting everyone. Some of the stuff they have discussed would make Robert Generic look left wing. And some of it is so far to the left it makes Corbyn look far right. All joking aside, I’m not sure if they are guilty of trying to be all things to all people, or they just have a wild brained leftie idea to spend money on something and then an ever more wild brained right wing idea of where to cut other spending to pay for it. I really can’t see Starmer leading Labour at the next election but I hope he does. I’d love to hear some of their ‘far left’ policies. I’d probably like them. Can you expand on those? " I believe you would, but you’d call them centrist. We have discussed before how many people believe they are centrist in the political arena but other people would say they are left wing or right wing. Perception is a wonderful thing But I’ll take the bait and you can prove me right in my opinion and wrong in yours, that’s the beauty of politics. I think the workers rights bill is pretty far to the left Putting VAT on private schools Nationalisation is pretty far left Taxing businesses out of existence Giving union members massive pay rises, probably more of that to come as well And one i mentioned earlier today, ruling people on the far right of politics are terrorists but people on the far left aren’t. And some person Starmer stuff like not being and to define what a woman is or if they have a penis or not. | |||
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" I think the workers rights bill is pretty far to the left " Workers rights are not ‘far left’, let’s be honest. This is basic left leaving stuff common in modern soc-dem societies. It’s revealing how ‘man of the people Farage voted against it though, along with ‘the party of the working class’ " Putting VAT on private schools " VAT is a very conservative tax, due to its flat rate nature - that’s why the Tories have traditionally raised it and Labour haven’t. A far left policy would have been the banning of private schools, not taxing them. " Nationalisation is pretty far left. " It really isn’t. " Taxing businesses out of existence " Is that official policy? Not sure what page if the manifesto that’s on, tbf. " Giving union members massive pay rises, probably more of that to come as well " Union members? Or all workers regardless if union membership in some key industries (public and private)? What were the options available to the govt? Not get a deal down and leave strike ongoing? " And one i mentioned earlier today, ruling people on the far right of politics are terrorists but people on the far left aren’t. " ‘People’ or groups? A key determining factor here. And feel free to name some far left terroir groups currently active in the U.K. " And some person Starmer stuff like not being and to define what a woman is or if they have a penis or not. " Not certain that sits anywhere in the political spectrum. Do all on the right share the same views on LGBTQ+ like some groupthink blob? Nor do those on the left. | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…." Also to correct you slightly, I mentioned the Richie Report into the riots, not the event itself. Hopefully one day we will get a full independent Inquiry into the Southport mass murders and their aftermath, and that will include Govt and Police misinformation and withholding of important information. | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Worrying it does appear there are those in Prevent who believe Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudakubana. Very concerning." Where has Prevent said that Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudukabana? | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Also to correct you slightly, I mentioned the Richie Report into the riots, not the event itself. Hopefully one day we will get a full independent Inquiry into the Southport mass murders and their aftermath, and that will include Govt and Police misinformation and withholding of important information." You are right, in time there will be a report on what went wrong with recommendations to improve those areas, just as they will highlight work well done. As was done in the Shawcross report. Emotive language and only presenting one side is very misleading. | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Worrying it does appear there are those in Prevent who believe Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudakubana. Very concerning. Where has Prevent said that Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudukabana? " Obviously it's not something that would be said publicly but it appears to be the direction of travel - a disproportionate focus on far right terror threats (as noted by the Shawcross Review) and a wider definition of what constitutes far right, as shown in the training document this OP refers to. It's a matter of record that Prevent decided Axel Rudakubana was not a sufficient threat to be further investigated, a catastrophic failure. | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Worrying it does appear there are those in Prevent who believe Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudakubana. Very concerning. Where has Prevent said that Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudukabana? Obviously it's not something that would be said publicly but it appears to be the direction of travel - a disproportionate focus on far right terror threats (as noted by the Shawcross Review) and a wider definition of what constitutes far right, as shown in the training document this OP refers to. It's a matter of record that Prevent decided Axel Rudakubana was not a sufficient threat to be further investigated, a catastrophic failure." So, no one has said that Nigel Farage is a greater threat than Axel Rudukabana?  | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Worrying it does appear there are those in Prevent who believe Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudakubana. Very concerning. Where has Prevent said that Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudukabana? Obviously it's not something that would be said publicly but it appears to be the direction of travel - a disproportionate focus on far right terror threats (as noted by the Shawcross Review) and a wider definition of what constitutes far right, as shown in the training document this OP refers to. It's a matter of record that Prevent decided Axel Rudakubana was not a sufficient threat to be further investigated, a catastrophic failure." The OP being you. | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Worrying it does appear there are those in Prevent who believe Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudakubana. Very concerning. Where has Prevent said that Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudukabana? Obviously it's not something that would be said publicly but it appears to be the direction of travel - a disproportionate focus on far right terror threats (as noted by the Shawcross Review) and a wider definition of what constitutes far right, as shown in the training document this OP refers to. It's a matter of record that Prevent decided Axel Rudakubana was not a sufficient threat to be further investigated, a catastrophic failure. The OP being you. " No, OP being Original Post. | |||
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"I think it is interesting that some people are focusing in on riots in Oldham…… but seem to have amnesia when it comes to riots last summer brought ahead by the misleading comments made by the likes of Robinson, Farage etc…. If you were to ask who was more dangerous to society… I know who I would suggest…. Worrying it does appear there are those in Prevent who believe Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudakubana. Very concerning. Where has Prevent said that Nigel Farage is more dangerous than Axel Rudukabana? Obviously it's not something that would be said publicly but it appears to be the direction of travel - a disproportionate focus on far right terror threats (as noted by the Shawcross Review) and a wider definition of what constitutes far right, as shown in the training document this OP refers to. It's a matter of record that Prevent decided Axel Rudakubana was not a sufficient threat to be further investigated, a catastrophic failure. The OP being you. No, OP being Original Post." Ahhhh, semantics (or in this case, abbreviations) being misleading. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. " I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? " If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. | |||
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"Maybe, and this is crazy to think, I know. But maybe, the ‘far-left’ just aren’t that huge a threat in the UK. Have we got a list of dangerous home-grown far-left terror groups?" Only a few weeks ago a Jewish couple were murderered in Washington by a far left terrorist. Given the huge numbers seen of anti semites expressing support for Hamas on recent marches I hope Prevent is allocating appropriate resources to identify similar individuals here. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement." Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. | |||
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"Maybe, and this is crazy to think, I know. But maybe, the ‘far-left’ just aren’t that huge a threat in the UK. Have we got a list of dangerous home-grown far-left terror groups? Only a few weeks ago a Jewish couple were murderered in Washington by a far left terrorist. Given the huge numbers seen of anti semites expressing support for Hamas on recent marches I hope Prevent is allocating appropriate resources to identify similar individuals here." Please quote the article where the perpetrator was a far left terrorist. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. " One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. | |||
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"Maybe, and this is crazy to think, I know. But maybe, the ‘far-left’ just aren’t that huge a threat in the UK. Have we got a list of dangerous home-grown far-left terror groups? Only a few weeks ago a Jewish couple were murderered in Washington by a far left terrorist. Given the huge numbers seen of anti semites expressing support for Hamas on recent marches I hope Prevent is allocating appropriate resources to identify similar individuals here. Please quote the article where the perpetrator was a far left terrorist. " Elias Rodriguez's affiliations with far left anti semitic groups are well documented. | |||
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" If we get within a year of a general election and it looks like Labour is facing total wipeout I would expect there to be attempts made to outlaw Reform. If you genuinely believe this, I feel sorry for you. " If you don’t see this as an option, I think the state is controlling you, rather than you controlling the state. | |||
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"Maybe, and this is crazy to think, I know. But maybe, the ‘far-left’ just aren’t that huge a threat in the UK. Have we got a list of dangerous home-grown far-left terror groups? Only a few weeks ago a Jewish couple were murderered in Washington by a far left terrorist. Given the huge numbers seen of anti semites expressing support for Hamas on recent marches I hope Prevent is allocating appropriate resources to identify similar individuals here. Please quote the article where the perpetrator was a far left terrorist. Elias Rodriguez's affiliations with far left anti semitic groups are well documented." And they supported him, right? | |||
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"Maybe, and this is crazy to think, I know. But maybe, the ‘far-left’ just aren’t that huge a threat in the UK. Have we got a list of dangerous home-grown far-left terror groups? Only a few weeks ago a Jewish couple were murderered in Washington by a far left terrorist. Given the huge numbers seen of anti semites expressing support for Hamas on recent marches I hope Prevent is allocating appropriate resources to identify similar individuals here. Please quote the article where the perpetrator was a far left terrorist. Elias Rodriguez's affiliations with far left anti semitic groups are well documented. And they supported him, right? " He was clearly radicalised by these groups. | |||
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"Maybe, and this is crazy to think, I know. But maybe, the ‘far-left’ just aren’t that huge a threat in the UK. Have we got a list of dangerous home-grown far-left terror groups? Only a few weeks ago a Jewish couple were murderered in Washington by a far left terrorist. Given the huge numbers seen of anti semites expressing support for Hamas on recent marches I hope Prevent is allocating appropriate resources to identify similar individuals here. Please quote the article where the perpetrator was a far left terrorist. Elias Rodriguez's affiliations with far left anti semitic groups are well documented. And they supported him, right? He was clearly radicalised by these groups. " Imagine a person with strong links to the far right murdering two Muslims and people denying there was a connection. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says." Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. " If those opinions are widespread within Prevent and the Home Office that is very alarming. It seems both have been radicalised by far left ideology. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. If those opinions are widespread within Prevent and the Home Office that is very alarming. It seems both have been radicalised by far left ideology." Oh! Leo! You are focussing on the wrong element! You started this thread suggesting that Reform COULD be outlawed, from your post "quango Prevent has labelled concerns about 'mass immigration' and 'lack of integration' as a 'terrorism ideology' that should be referred to the organisation." No, it hasn't Do the training. You may be enlightened. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. If those opinions are widespread within Prevent and the Home Office that is very alarming. It seems both have been radicalised by far left ideology." It’s pretty clear what’s happened to Prevent. They start off from a position where the statistical reality is that the main terrorist threat to Britons is from Islamist terrorists. However, as per usual the majority of government employees dealing with referrals are Leftists. The Leftists aren’t comfortable with the reality of the vast majority of the people they are dealing with being Muslims. It doesn’t sit well with their world view and makes them uncomfortable. So they get easily distracted by over inflating the threat of “far right terrorism” as it more easily fits with their prejudices. None of which of course helps the British taxpayer as the State wastes its time fighting a non existent “enemy” while ignoring the real threat. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. If those opinions are widespread within Prevent and the Home Office that is very alarming. It seems both have been radicalised by far left ideology. It’s pretty clear what’s happened to Prevent. They start off from a position where the statistical reality is that the main terrorist threat to Britons is from Islamist terrorists. However, as per usual the majority of government employees dealing with referrals are Leftists. The Leftists aren’t comfortable with the reality of the vast majority of the people they are dealing with being Muslims. It doesn’t sit well with their world view and makes them uncomfortable. So they get easily distracted by over inflating the threat of “far right terrorism” as it more easily fits with their prejudices. None of which of course helps the British taxpayer as the State wastes its time fighting a non existent “enemy” while ignoring the real threat." Someone else who might benefit from Prevent Duty training. | |||
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"New leaked advice from the anti radicalisation quango Prevent has labelled concerns about 'mass immigration' and 'lack of integration' as a 'terrorism ideology' that should be referred to the organisation. Does this official advice mean the increasingly popular Reform Party could be outlawed ? Could it even threaten the future of Sir Kier Starmer who claimed Britain has become 'a nation of strangers'? Or is it sensible advice to clamp down on those who hold popular views on this subject? " You can't make a political movement illegal unless you want to basically become Putin. | |||
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" I think the workers rights bill is pretty far to the left Workers rights are not ‘far left’, let’s be honest. This is basic left leaving stuff common in modern soc-dem societies. It’s revealing how ‘man of the people Farage voted against it though, along with ‘the party of the working class’ Putting VAT on private schools VAT is a very conservative tax, due to its flat rate nature - that’s why the Tories have traditionally raised it and Labour haven’t. A far left policy would have been the banning of private schools, not taxing them. Nationalisation is pretty far left. It really isn’t. Taxing businesses out of existence Is that official policy? Not sure what page if the manifesto that’s on, tbf. Giving union members massive pay rises, probably more of that to come as well Union members? Or all workers regardless if union membership in some key industries (public and private)? What were the options available to the govt? Not get a deal down and leave strike ongoing? And one i mentioned earlier today, ruling people on the far right of politics are terrorists but people on the far left aren’t. ‘People’ or groups? A key determining factor here. And feel free to name some far left terroir groups currently active in the U.K. And some person Starmer stuff like not being and to define what a woman is or if they have a penis or not. Not certain that sits anywhere in the political spectrum. Do all on the right share the same views on LGBTQ+ like some groupthink blob? Nor do those on the left. " Like I said. A left wing person doesn’t think far left ideas are far left. Thank you for proving my point 😊 | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. If those opinions are widespread within Prevent and the Home Office that is very alarming. It seems both have been radicalised by far left ideology. It’s pretty clear what’s happened to Prevent. They start off from a position where the statistical reality is that the main terrorist threat to Britons is from Islamist terrorists. However, as per usual the majority of government employees dealing with referrals are Leftists. The Leftists aren’t comfortable with the reality of the vast majority of the people they are dealing with being Muslims. It doesn’t sit well with their world view and makes them uncomfortable. So they get easily distracted by over inflating the threat of “far right terrorism” as it more easily fits with their prejudices. None of which of course helps the British taxpayer as the State wastes its time fighting a non existent “enemy” while ignoring the real threat. Someone else who might benefit from Prevent Duty training. " I’m too busy generating the taxes that pay for all this shite. So no thanks. | |||
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"I've just completed my Prevent Duty training. Highly recommend. I will be sweating every time someone knocks on the door next week.😳🤣 Have you completed it? Or do you just regurgitate something written by a journalist? If you're professionally involved with Prevent I understand your defensiveness, but to me it's clear the Shawcross Review was correct and it is going in the wrong direction and needs an urgent overhaul or replacement. Ok, so you've read the Shawcross report, in full, which acknowledges that people involved in Prevent are doing good work. It made recommendations for improvement - not n overhaul or replacement. It also said that the number of people saved by Prevent couldn't be measured. Having completed the Prevent Duty training today, recommendations from Shawcross report to improve have been implemented. One of the recommendations of the Shawcross Review was to promote a free speech narrative, yet labelling those with concerns about immigration as Cultural Nationalist seems the complete opposite of this. Shawcross also pointed out that many recommendations of the earlier Carlile Review were not implemented so it will be interesting so see what the next independent review says. Anyone is susceptible to being radicalised. Anyone. Any person starting of with cultural nationalism as a viewpoint is susceptible to far right extremism. That's what is being said. Not that cultural nationalism is inherently bad. It's how it manifests in an individual and how they use that. If those opinions are widespread within Prevent and the Home Office that is very alarming. It seems both have been radicalised by far left ideology. It’s pretty clear what’s happened to Prevent. They start off from a position where the statistical reality is that the main terrorist threat to Britons is from Islamist terrorists. However, as per usual the majority of government employees dealing with referrals are Leftists. The Leftists aren’t comfortable with the reality of the vast majority of the people they are dealing with being Muslims. It doesn’t sit well with their world view and makes them uncomfortable. So they get easily distracted by over inflating the threat of “far right terrorism” as it more easily fits with their prejudices. None of which of course helps the British taxpayer as the State wastes its time fighting a non existent “enemy” while ignoring the real threat. Someone else who might benefit from Prevent Duty training. I’m too busy generating the taxes that pay for all this shite. So no thanks." But not too busy to post on here. Got it!  | |||
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"when sue-ellen fernandes aka braverman and michael gove rewrote the guidance regarding the New Definition of Extremism document (march 2024) the usual and regular posters among the fab far-right cabal were cheering. others told them careful what you wish for .... well they wished for it and are now acting like whinny little bitches because it has all gone horribly wrong for them and their, what is now legally entitled to be considered, extremist far-right ideology. reap the whirlwind mofo's "What indication do you believe they have breached a law and are far right? | |||
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"when sue-ellen fernandes aka braverman and michael gove rewrote the guidance regarding the New Definition of Extremism document (march 2024) the usual and regular posters among the fab far-right cabal were cheering. others told them careful what you wish for .... well they wished for it and are now acting like whinny little bitches because it has all gone horribly wrong for them and their, what is now legally entitled to be considered, extremist far-right ideology. reap the whirlwind mofo's
What indication do you believe they have breached a law and are far right?
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"when sue-ellen fernandes aka braverman and michael gove rewrote the guidance regarding the New Definition of Extremism document (march 2024) the usual and regular posters among the fab far-right cabal were cheering. others told them careful what you wish for .... well they wished for it and are now acting like whinny little bitches because it has all gone horribly wrong for them and their, what is now legally entitled to be considered, extremist far-right ideology. reap the whirlwind mofo's
What indication do you believe they have breached a law and are far right?
what makes you think that i think they have breached the law?"The original post talks about "outlawed" seems pretty obvious to me. Glad you agree then the people you berated as now being worried about what was past in parliament shouldn't be worried at all. | |||
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