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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit." Starmer’s problem isn’t optics. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. The electorate would forgive him for being dull if his policies weren’t shit. Unfortunately for him his policies are shit and he is boring. | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. " They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. " 80% of the electorate are intelligent enough to see through Labour’s lies. The other 20% still think it’s 1975. Labour supporters are like the Japanese soldiers hunkered down in their bunkers and still fighting the Second World War twenty years after it ended. | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. " What is it they are falling for? | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. What is it they are falling for? " Rhetoric, his usual trick. | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. What is it they are falling for? Rhetoric, his usual trick. " I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying he’s got no intention of doing the things he’s saying? | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. What is it they are falling for? Rhetoric, his usual trick. I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying he’s got no intention of doing the things he’s saying? " Rhetoric: “language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.“ Does that not describe Farage’s act succinctly? | |||
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"Rhetoric: “language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.“" You mean the sort of person that uses phrases like "smash the gangs"? | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. 80% of the electorate are intelligent enough to see through Labour’s lies. The other 20% still think it’s 1975. Labour supporters are like the Japanese soldiers hunkered down in their bunkers and still fighting the Second World War twenty years after it ended. " Yet Labour enjoy a 165 seat majority in the HoC. What does that say about the electorate? | |||
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"Rhetoric: “language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.“ You mean the sort of person that uses phrases like "smash the gangs"?" Of course "smashing the gangs" seems to be going quite well. Bung the French the thick end of half a billion, they make a few token arrests and French judge gives them all suspended sentences. One who was caught red handed with a dingy, outboard motor and 50 life jackets blew kisses at the judge after sentencing. Bet he felt well and truly "smashed".  | |||
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"As if he hasn't got enough problems with male models allegedgly setting fire to his car, England football fans in Andorra have repeatedly chanted 'Starmer is a C...' during the Three Lion's hard fought victory over a team of dentists and shoe salesmen. Has there ever been a less popular Prime Minister, and can he recover from this fresh humiliation?" If you think this is honestly the first time England fans have chanted rude songs about a prime minister, then I don’t know to think if you have a short term memory, or are deluded, or generally just started this thread for shits and giggles. I have been at a few England games since the early nineties and every prime minister always gets some… heck it’s basically been tradition since Churchill Scotland fans famously said something rather rude things about Margaret thatcher during and after | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. What is it they are falling for? Rhetoric, his usual trick. I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying he’s got no intention of doing the things he’s saying? Rhetoric: “language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.“ Does that not describe Farage’s act succinctly? " Well you are speculating. You have no idea what he will or won’t do if he were to become PM. He has no powers to do anything at the moment and possibly never will. It’s a little easier to compare the rhetoric of Starmer et al as they are the ones who have the power to stick to their word or not. | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. What is it they are falling for? Rhetoric, his usual trick. I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying he’s got no intention of doing the things he’s saying? Rhetoric: “language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content.“ Does that not describe Farage’s act succinctly? Well you are speculating. You have no idea what he will or won’t do if he were to become PM. He has no powers to do anything at the moment and possibly never will. It’s a little easier to compare the rhetoric of Starmer et al as they are the ones who have the power to stick to their word or not. " We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not? | |||
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"As a football fan I don’t get why you go to a game to shout abuse about the Prime Minster.By all means give the players some abuse if they are not performing or dare I say it encourage them to perform better.Leave politics out of sport." Call me old fashioned Cos mate but I’m against all forms of abuse at a football match. That game really does bring out the silliness in people. | |||
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"As a football fan I don’t get why you go to a game to shout abuse about the Prime Minster.By all means give the players some abuse if they are not performing or dare I say it encourage them to perform better.Leave politics out of sport. Call me old fashioned Cos mate but I’m against all forms of abuse at a football match. That game really does bring out the silliness in people. " . Depends on what you define abuse.Take Dan Burn last night sloppy passing giving the ball away.I don’t think it’s wrong to shout Oh Burns fucking look up when passing the ball or try passing the ball properly.However abuse about a player’s appearance, looks , colour , partner , kids has no place in football or sports | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not?" As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point? | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not? As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point?" Given the record of Farage’s rhetoric, I’d have thought that obvious. Anyone who saw his ‘breaking point’ poster and decided that he was their guy probably needs to give their head a wobble. | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not?" "As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point?" "Given the record of Farage’s rhetoric, I’d have thought that obvious. Anyone who saw his ‘breaking point’ poster and decided that he was their guy probably needs to give their head a wobble." Here we go again. You make a claim that Farage is all rhetoric and no substance, then when it's pointed out that others politicians are the same, you quickly pivot to another vector of attack, pretending that that's what you meant all along. But lets run with it. If you think the Breaking Point poster was bad, I assume that you also hate the party that put out a poster with a similar queue of anonymous people, and the words "5 year high in migrant removals". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/06/labour-launches-ads-in-reform-style-livery-to-boast-about-deportations | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not? As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point? Given the record of Farage’s rhetoric, I’d have thought that obvious. Anyone who saw his ‘breaking point’ poster and decided that he was their guy probably needs to give their head a wobble. Here we go again. You make a claim that Farage is all rhetoric and no substance, then when it's pointed out that others politicians are the same, you quickly pivot to another vector of attack, pretending that that's what you meant all along. But lets run with it. If you think the Breaking Point poster was bad, I assume that you also hate the party that put out a poster with a similar queue of anonymous people, and the words "5 year high in migrant removals". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/06/labour-launches-ads-in-reform-style-livery-to-boast-about-deportations" The breaking point poster (as I’m sure you know) wasn’t just abhorrent because of the incorrect message that we were at ‘breaking point’ - the imagery displayed Syrian refugees fleeing war. Orban would later go on to use the same image in his campaigning. | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not?" "As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point?" "Given the record of Farage’s rhetoric, I’d have thought that obvious. Anyone who saw his ‘breaking point’ poster and decided that he was their guy probably needs to give their head a wobble." "Here we go again. You make a claim that Farage is all rhetoric and no substance, then when it's pointed out that others politicians are the same, you quickly pivot to another vector of attack, pretending that that's what you meant all along. But lets run with it. If you think the Breaking Point poster was bad, I assume that you also hate the party that put out a poster with a similar queue of anonymous people, and the words "5 year high in migrant removals". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/06/labour-launches-ads-in-reform-style-livery-to-boast-about-deportations" "The breaking point poster (as I’m sure you know) wasn’t just abhorrent because of the incorrect message that we were at ‘breaking point’ - the imagery displayed Syrian refugees fleeing war." So you've now moved entirely away from arguing about rhetoric, and you're criticising the use of a photo. If you keep moving those goalposts you're going to run out of pitch soon. Also you seem to failed to address the issue of the Labour immigration poster. | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not? As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point? Given the record of Farage’s rhetoric, I’d have thought that obvious. Anyone who saw his ‘breaking point’ poster and decided that he was their guy probably needs to give their head a wobble. Here we go again. You make a claim that Farage is all rhetoric and no substance, then when it's pointed out that others politicians are the same, you quickly pivot to another vector of attack, pretending that that's what you meant all along. But lets run with it. If you think the Breaking Point poster was bad, I assume that you also hate the party that put out a poster with a similar queue of anonymous people, and the words "5 year high in migrant removals". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/06/labour-launches-ads-in-reform-style-livery-to-boast-about-deportations The breaking point poster (as I’m sure you know) wasn’t just abhorrent because of the incorrect message that we were at ‘breaking point’ - the imagery displayed Syrian refugees fleeing war. So you've now moved entirely away from arguing about rhetoric, and you're criticising the use of a photo. If you keep moving those goalposts you're going to run out of pitch soon. " You don’t think a poster is a form of communication? That it can’t be used as rhetoric? Interesting. It’s as if you’re playing purposefully dumb. And since I have no interest in playing games, I’m out. | |||
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"We have a historical record of Farage’s rhetoric, do we not? As we do of Starmer's rhetoric, or Badenoch's. What's your point? Given the record of Farage’s rhetoric, I’d have thought that obvious. Anyone who saw his ‘breaking point’ poster and decided that he was their guy probably needs to give their head a wobble. Here we go again. You make a claim that Farage is all rhetoric and no substance, then when it's pointed out that others politicians are the same, you quickly pivot to another vector of attack, pretending that that's what you meant all along. But lets run with it. If you think the Breaking Point poster was bad, I assume that you also hate the party that put out a poster with a similar queue of anonymous people, and the words "5 year high in migrant removals". https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/feb/06/labour-launches-ads-in-reform-style-livery-to-boast-about-deportations The breaking point poster (as I’m sure you know) wasn’t just abhorrent because of the incorrect message that we were at ‘breaking point’ - the imagery displayed Syrian refugees fleeing war. So you've now moved entirely away from arguing about rhetoric, and you're criticising the use of a photo. If you keep moving those goalposts you're going to run out of pitch soon. You don’t think a poster is a form of communication? That it can’t be used as rhetoric? Interesting. It’s as if you’re playing purposefully dumb. And since I have no interest in playing games, I’m out. " 1-0 to MrDiscretion, final score. | |||
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"You don’t think a poster is a form of communication? That it can’t be used as rhetoric? Interesting. It’s as if you’re playing purposefully dumb. And since I have no interest in playing games, I’m out." It was you who earlier in this thread defined 'rhetoric' as "language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content". So by your own definition, the image on a poster does not count as rhetoric. When the discussion get to the level of personal insults, that's a good sign that the poster has run out of sensible arguments. | |||
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"You don’t think a poster is a form of communication? That it can’t be used as rhetoric? Interesting. It’s as if you’re playing purposefully dumb. And since I have no interest in playing games, I’m out. It was you who earlier in this thread defined 'rhetoric' as "language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content". So by your own definition, the image on a poster does not count as rhetoric. " Was it my definition? It was in quotations, wasn’t it? Do you think Farage unveiling that poster, standing in front of that poster, isn’t using the message on that poster? Is that your claim? | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. What is it they are falling for? Rhetoric, his usual trick. I’m not sure what you mean. Are you saying he’s got no intention of doing the things he’s saying? " I think he will abolish the NHS as he promises, and replace it with a Private healthcare insurance system. Reform voters will get what they want and deserve. | |||
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"It was you who earlier in this thread defined 'rhetoric' as "language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect, but which is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content". So by your own definition, the image on a poster does not count as rhetoric." "Was it my definition? It was in quotations, wasn’t it?" I don't know who wrote those words, because you didn't tell us. But it was you that posted them to explain what you meant by 'rhetoric'. Now apparently you think it means something else, but you've not yet given us your new definition. "Do you think Farage unveiling that poster, standing in front of that poster, isn’t using the message on that poster? Is that your claim? " No. I'm sticking to the original discussion, and saying that Nigel Farage standing in front of an image is not not an example of him using rhetoric (at least not in the way that you defined it earlier). | |||
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"As if he hasn't got enough problems with male models allegedgly setting fire to his car, England football fans in Andorra have repeatedly chanted 'Starmer is a C...' during the Three Lion's hard fought victory over a team of dentists and shoe salesmen. Has there ever been a less popular Prime Minister, and can he recover from this fresh humiliation?" Congratulations. At last you have spelt his name correctly. | |||
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"As if he hasn't got enough problems with male models allegedgly setting fire to his car, England football fans in Andorra have repeatedly chanted 'Starmer is a C...' during the Three Lion's hard fought victory over a team of dentists and shoe salesmen. Has there ever been a less popular Prime Minister, and can he recover from this fresh humiliation?" And according to a few in the stands the ref was a banker, he gets about a bit that ref. The Fed's will try and push some hate speech towards football clubs by the start of next session to stop the infectious Starmer chants.  | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. Starmer’s problem isn’t optics. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. The electorate would forgive him for being dull if his policies weren’t shit. Unfortunately for him his policies are shit and he is boring." This is correct. We need change and voting for either Conservative or Labour achieves very little in terms of meaningful change. My belief is that we need to be more assertive about our position. Vote for clear right or left wing parties would be ideal if our electoral rules are so biased to favour a two party state. | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. Starmer’s problem isn’t optics. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. The electorate would forgive him for being dull if his policies weren’t shit. Unfortunately for him his policies are shit and he is boring. This is correct. We need change and voting for either Conservative or Labour achieves very little in terms of meaningful change. My belief is that we need to be more assertive about our position. Vote for clear right or left wing parties would be ideal if our electoral rules are so biased to favour a two party state. " Can you elaborate of meaningful change, please? | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. Starmer’s problem isn’t optics. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. The electorate would forgive him for being dull if his policies weren’t shit. Unfortunately for him his policies are shit and he is boring. This is correct. We need change and voting for either Conservative or Labour achieves very little in terms of meaningful change. My belief is that we need to be more assertive about our position. Vote for clear right or left wing parties would be ideal if our electoral rules are so biased to favour a two party state. Can you elaborate of meaningful change, please? " Sure. When Conservatives can court and win over Labour supporters and Labour can court and win over Conservative supporters, the truth is there is very little difference between the two and/or the electorate are fickle. If you believe in a socialist state then wait for Jeremy Corbyn to form a left wing party to place a party to the left of centre at the same distance that Nigel Farage sits to the right and then those fence sitters who give us the 51/49 split at Brexit or the first past the post (not majority) win for Labour can put their money where their mouths are or fuck off! | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. Starmer’s problem isn’t optics. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. The electorate would forgive him for being dull if his policies weren’t shit. Unfortunately for him his policies are shit and he is boring. This is correct. We need change and voting for either Conservative or Labour achieves very little in terms of meaningful change. My belief is that we need to be more assertive about our position. Vote for clear right or left wing parties would be ideal if our electoral rules are so biased to favour a two party state. Can you elaborate of meaningful change, please? Sure. When Conservatives can court and win over Labour supporters and Labour can court and win over Conservative supporters, the truth is there is very little difference between the two and/or the electorate are fickle. If you believe in a socialist state then wait for Jeremy Corbyn to form a left wing party to place a party to the left of centre at the same distance that Nigel Farage sits to the right and then those fence sitters who give us the 51/49 split at Brexit or the first past the post (not majority) win for Labour can put their money where their mouths are or fuck off!" So where is the meaningful change? What does that look like? | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. They’re falling for Farage, so I suspect you’re wrong. 80% of the electorate are intelligent enough to see through Labour’s lies. The other 20% still think it’s 1975. Labour supporters are like the Japanese soldiers hunkered down in their bunkers and still fighting the Second World War twenty years after it ended. Yet Labour enjoy a 165 seat majority in the HoC. What does that say about the electorate?" There seat majority shouldn't be conflated with there vote share... | |||
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"Starmer’s problem is optics. He’s very boring. Labour are doing an acceptable if unexciting job of righting the ship after 14 years of misrule. His problem is that he’s nowhere near left enough for the lefties, and he’s nowhere near right enough for the Farage cultists (and even if he was, they’d still boo him because he wears a red rosette.) I’ll judge him on results at the end of his term, not because he has a nasally voice and a charisma deficit. Starmer’s problem isn’t optics. People aren’t as shallow or stupid as you think. The electorate would forgive him for being dull if his policies weren’t shit. Unfortunately for him his policies are shit and he is boring. This is correct. We need change and voting for either Conservative or Labour achieves very little in terms of meaningful change. My belief is that we need to be more assertive about our position. Vote for clear right or left wing parties would be ideal if our electoral rules are so biased to favour a two party state. Can you elaborate of meaningful change, please? Sure. When Conservatives can court and win over Labour supporters and Labour can court and win over Conservative supporters, the truth is there is very little difference between the two and/or the electorate are fickle. If you believe in a socialist state then wait for Jeremy Corbyn to form a left wing party to place a party to the left of centre at the same distance that Nigel Farage sits to the right and then those fence sitters who give us the 51/49 split at Brexit or the first past the post (not majority) win for Labour can put their money where their mouths are or fuck off! So where is the meaningful change? What does that look like? " Importantly and provided they administer their recent wins responsibly and effectively, I believe Reform could provide a real challenge at the next general election. They do need to develop a broader bench and invest in training their potential MPs in anticipation of winning or that would be a disaster, however, their mandate will ultimately be delivered by civil servants who sadly never leave their posts and so the Reform team just need to ensure those people are held to task. I don’t think the left will need much more than what Labour is currently doing to keep their unsustainable social agenda, the NHS, Education and State Pensions will all dwindle until they are forced to admit that we are falling behind in terms of health, economic competitiveness and an abhorrent experience in our later life as the funding civil servants disproportionate pensions leaves nothing for the balance of us. Right now we don’t get modern treatments as NICE clearly knows they can’t be funded, our numeracy, reading and science ranking (PISA/OECD) is on significant decline over the last 2 decades, and the state has recently tried to remove the winter fuel allowance. I would like to see those three things change, that would be meaningful. | |||
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"Least popular of any Labour PM ever (poll) Beggars belief how quickly public opinion has turned in less than a year. He’s wearing dead man’s shoes. " Now that's a good track by Sting Dead man's shoos think it was sung by Jimmy Nail  | |||
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"Reeves just reslised she’s getting £11bn pension fund money not £160bn, clearly inept. Rayners 1.5 million new homes are 255,000 behind, what she knows about housing is on Lego instructions Smash the gangs, builders not blockers, rebuilding Britain. They will be one term government at the most. The public have turned, the council elections were clear enough. Being shouted out as a cunt at a football match, unheard off for a prime minister. " I always say at least a cunt is useful it's an insult to all the lovely cunts on this site to call him one. | |||
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