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"“It's absolute carnage here," a British doctor at a Gaza hospital says, adding all injuries are gunshot wounds. At least 31 people have been killed after Israeli tanks opened fire near an aid centre in Gaza, Hamas-run health ministry says, and 150 Palestinians have also been injured, according to the Red Cross hospital in Rafah. Is it time for intervention to stop the massacres ? " if tanks were firing at them how are they suffering from gunshot wounds | |||
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"Just been watching a video on BBC news showing gunmen firing in and at the crowd definitely not idf" But a man called Mohammed Ghareeb from the Hamas-run health ministry says 31 killed and over 150 injured by the IDF, so it must be true. ![]() | |||
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"Just been watching a video on BBC news showing gunmen firing in and at the crowd definitely not idf But a man called Mohammed Ghareeb from the Hamas-run health ministry says 31 killed and over 150 injured by the IDF, so it must be true. ![]() I think I'll believe the BBC video this time | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves." There’s enough footage coming out. People shot queuing for food, a GP mother’s nine children killed, three children shot in their beds, another 632,000 displaced again (3rd time). If it were the other way round, Hamas and the Palestinians would kill every Jew. | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. " Is there? Why so many mixed reports then? | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. Is there? Why so many mixed reports then? " Israel have killed more journalists than any other conflict!! | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. Is there? Why so many mixed reports then? Israel have killed more journalists than any other conflict!! " UNICEF says 50,000 children killed and injured. | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves." We all know that would never happen, and we all know why, this slaughter is seen mainly from isreals side so they control the narrative, let in independent journalists and they couldn't hide the truth and they couldn't lie anymore. | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. We all know that would never happen, and we all know why, this slaughter is seen mainly from isreals side so they control the narrative, let in independent journalists and they couldn't hide the truth and they couldn't lie anymore." absolutely agree just look at the cover up of the medical workers shot dead in their ambulances and then buried by the IDF to cover up their crime. | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. People shot queuing for food, a GP mother’s nine children killed, three children shot in their beds, another 632,000 displaced again (3rd time). If it were the other way round, Hamas and the Palestinians would kill every Jew. " and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel. | |||
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"and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel." Then explain the two million Palestinian Arabs who live in Israel with full citizenship rights. 🤔 | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. People shot queuing for food, a GP mother’s nine children killed, three children shot in their beds, another 632,000 displaced again (3rd time). If it were the other way round, Hamas and the Palestinians would kill every Jew. and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel." And as long as people have that attitude, we’ll have another hundred years of violence. How many innocent dead are enough? | |||
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"and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel. Then explain the two million Palestinian Arabs who live in Israel with full citizenship rights. 🤔" In the same way that catholics and Protestants in NI had the same rights for decades. | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. People shot queuing for food, a GP mother’s nine children killed, three children shot in their beds, another 632,000 displaced again (3rd time). If it were the other way round, Hamas and the Palestinians would kill every Jew. and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel." and your username really sums up the sort of so called human being you are! | |||
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"likud's policy of weaponising hunger is sickening enough... but their policy of massacring people queing for aid is beyond humanity .... there are no words for this kind of barbarism in the 21st century" there's not a lot of difference between Netanyahu and his right wing cronies and a certain nazi party and their hatred of the jews! | |||
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"and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel. Then explain the two million Palestinian Arabs who live in Israel with full citizenship rights. 🤔" I am neither Jewish or Palestinian and im glad they can live together but looking from outside it's obviously that most can't or won't get on their unable to live side by side. | |||
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"Mayhap Israel could let independent journalists into Gaza to see for themselves. There’s enough footage coming out. People shot queuing for food, a GP mother’s nine children killed, three children shot in their beds, another 632,000 displaced again (3rd time). If it were the other way round, Hamas and the Palestinians would kill every Jew. and if I was a Jew I'd kill every Palestinian they obviously can't live side by side so one has to be eliminated and I can't see it being Israel. and your username really sums up the sort of so called human being you are!" sticks and stones ![]() ![]() | |||
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"Genocide nothing less than that. World leaders need to hung there heads in shame " Exactly this. | |||
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"Israeli government minister states 7 million meals have been handed out in the past week! Watch the lies this cunt is spewing out channel 4 news 7pm till 7.20 pm David mencer Israeli government minister ie( lieing cunt )" What is the actual number of meals that have been handed out, if you are saying that is not correct? | |||
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"Israeli government minister states 7 million meals have been handed out in the past week! Watch the lies this cunt is spewing out channel 4 news 7pm till 7.20 pm David mencer Israeli government minister ie( lieing cunt )" If true that is just over three meals in a week to those in Gaza (after a lengthy blockade) | |||
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"Genocide nothing less than that." Hmm. Seemingly the only “genocide” in history where the targeted population keeps increasing year on year… how strange. Maybe if we just keep repeating the word enough times the meaning will change and the lie with become the truth? ![]() | |||
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"It would appear it was nothing to do with Israel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c991j01lym3o" What seems to he happening, is that the new aid delivery method has pissed off Hamas, who previously had control of the food - as such they're trying to hang onto power by using force, and hoping the IDF will get blamed for their violence. Additionally, because the only news leaving the strip also has to be approved by Hamas, that mainstream news agencies are becoming mouthpieces for terrorist groups. | |||
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"It would appear it was nothing to do with Israel https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c991j01lym3o What seems to he happening, is that the new aid delivery method has pissed off Hamas, who previously had control of the food - as such they're trying to hang onto power by using force, and hoping the IDF will get blamed for their violence. Additionally, because the only news leaving the strip also has to be approved by Hamas, that mainstream news agencies are becoming mouthpieces for terrorist groups." Atleast the BBC now says the news comes from Hamas ( the terrorist organisation) for the first year or so they refused to acknowledge this. | |||
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"What seems to he happening, is that the new aid delivery method has pissed off Hamas, who previously had control of the food - as such they're trying to hang onto power by using force, and hoping the IDF will get blamed for their violence. Additionally, because the only news leaving the strip also has to be approved by Hamas, that mainstream news agencies are becoming mouthpieces for terrorist groups." Even you know you are talking bollocks. The IDF have already admitted that they shot people for "deviating from the designated access routes" The line that the Palestinians are shooting themselves in some elaborate false flag operation isn't believable by anyone not drinking the Kool-Aid. Ultimately if the Israeli government want to assure the outside world about what's really going on in Gaza they should let independent journalists observe for themselves. We all know why they won't. | |||
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"What seems to he happening, is that the new aid delivery method has pissed off Hamas, who previously had control of the food - as such they're trying to hang onto power by using force, and hoping the IDF will get blamed for their violence. Additionally, because the only news leaving the strip also has to be approved by Hamas, that mainstream news agencies are becoming mouthpieces for terrorist groups. Even you know you are talking bollocks. The IDF have already admitted that they shot people for "deviating from the designated access routes" The line that the Palestinians are shooting themselves in some elaborate false flag operation isn't believable by anyone not drinking the Kool-Aid. Ultimately if the Israeli government want to assure the outside world about what's really going on in Gaza they should let independent journalists observe for themselves. We all know why they won't. " IDF admitting they shot people deviating from a walking route hundreds of metres away isn't them admitting to killing people receiving aid hundreds of metres away. | |||
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" The IDF have already admitted that they shot people for "deviating from the designated access routes" " They fired on a group who were approaching them aggressively. Do you not find it odd that one week everyone was starving in a famine, and then a few days later a warehouse was being raided and subsequently people were being shot at by men wearing masks? 🤔 | |||
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"What seems to he happening, is that the new aid delivery method has pissed off Hamas, who previously had control of the food - as such they're trying to hang onto power by using force, and hoping the IDF will get blamed for their violence. Additionally, because the only news leaving the strip also has to be approved by Hamas, that mainstream news agencies are becoming mouthpieces for terrorist groups. Even you know you are talking bollocks. The IDF have already admitted that they shot people for "deviating from the designated access routes" The line that the Palestinians are shooting themselves in some elaborate false flag operation isn't believable by anyone not drinking the Kool-Aid. Ultimately if the Israeli government want to assure the outside world about what's really going on in Gaza they should let independent journalists observe for themselves. We all know why they won't. " 80% of the Israeli people believe that Gaza should be ethically cleansed of Palestinians. The IDF are merely following those wishes, what's wrong with that..? | |||
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"The IDF seem out-of-control and are completely ignoring accepted rules of engagement regarding collateral damage to civilians. I don't think the world will ever view Israel in the same light again, and the goodwill they enjoy as a legacy of their own past sufferings will be gone for good. They are butchers." I don't agree here. As much as people will want to ignore it. The silent majority speak again for Israel at the euro vision. Just as the silent majority turn uk and vote for " populist" parties. They don't feel the need to March every Saturday, glue their hands to pavements, they'll keep buying Starbucks and whichever other products have ties to historically Jewish companies because they see it differently. I am not sure of these constant breaches of rules of engagement are. Can you clarify? | |||
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"The IDF seem out-of-control and are completely ignoring accepted rules of engagement regarding collateral damage to civilians. I don't think the world will ever view Israel in the same light again, and the goodwill they enjoy as a legacy of their own past sufferings will be gone for good. They are butchers. I don't agree here. As much as people will want to ignore it. The silent majority speak again for Israel at the euro vision. Just as the silent majority turn uk and vote for " populist" parties. They don't feel the need to March every Saturday, glue their hands to pavements, they'll keep buying Starbucks and whichever other products have ties to historically Jewish companies because they see it differently. I am not sure of these constant breaches of rules of engagement are. Can you clarify?" The truth will out in the end. It always does. The images from Gaza of devastation and civilian casualties will eventually be verified (why won't Israel allow news agencies into Gaza if they have nothing to hide?). Once the world realises the callous recklessness with which Israel have conducted themselves in this war, their reputation is in tatters. | |||
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"The IDF seem out-of-control and are completely ignoring accepted rules of engagement regarding collateral damage to civilians. I don't think the world will ever view Israel in the same light again, and the goodwill they enjoy as a legacy of their own past sufferings will be gone for good. They are butchers. I don't agree here. As much as people will want to ignore it. The silent majority speak again for Israel at the euro vision. Just as the silent majority turn uk and vote for " populist" parties. They don't feel the need to March every Saturday, glue their hands to pavements, they'll keep buying Starbucks and whichever other products have ties to historically Jewish companies because they see it differently. I am not sure of these constant breaches of rules of engagement are. Can you clarify? The truth will out in the end. It always does. The images from Gaza of devastation and civilian casualties will eventually be verified (why won't Israel allow news agencies into Gaza if they have nothing to hide?). Once the world realises the callous recklessness with which Israel have conducted themselves in this war, their reputation is in tatters." Easier to just say "I am hoping they find these atrocities" No? | |||
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"The IDF seem out-of-control and are completely ignoring accepted rules of engagement regarding collateral damage to civilians. I don't think the world will ever view Israel in the same light again, and the goodwill they enjoy as a legacy of their own past sufferings will be gone for good. They are butchers. I don't agree here. As much as people will want to ignore it. The silent majority speak again for Israel at the euro vision. Just as the silent majority turn uk and vote for " populist" parties. They don't feel the need to March every Saturday, glue their hands to pavements, they'll keep buying Starbucks and whichever other products have ties to historically Jewish companies because they see it differently. I am not sure of these constant breaches of rules of engagement are. Can you clarify? The truth will out in the end. It always does. The images from Gaza of devastation and civilian casualties will eventually be verified (why won't Israel allow news agencies into Gaza if they have nothing to hide?). Once the world realises the callous recklessness with which Israel have conducted themselves in this war, their reputation is in tatters. Easier to just say "I am hoping they find these atrocities" No?" I have eyes and common sense so hope doesn't come into it. You think the images of a land laid waste are fake? Or that there are not associated civilian casualties at an alarming level? The world is sitting on it's hands averting it's gaze from genocide, or at least something that's perilously close. | |||
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"I remember telling a friend of mine what would happen as soon as that October seventh thing happened. Which in itself was a monstrosity, but I knew the response would be a lot lot worse. I said they wouldn’t stop until Gaza had been totally flattened, and all the people were all dead. From the river to the sea huh? There won’t be no Gaza, that’s what it will be. ![]() USA has supplied all the bombs to enable this UK RAF has reportedly run 500 sortees identifying targets for the IDF to bomb Through our tax’s this is on our name too. | |||
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"why won't Israel allow news agencies into Gaza if they have nothing to hide?" I would say that allowing journalists into a war zone means they have to keep them safe. I've met journalists and photographers who served in the middle east, and heard stories of them caught in the crossfire and shot or blown up - and that's in open desert rather than built-up urban areas. Someone would need to guide them; I doubt they'd be able to just run around doing their own thing - so who would be responsible for their well-being once they're in there, and who would be held to account when the safeguarding fails? | |||
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" I would say that allowing journalists into a war zone means they have to keep them safe. " Agreed. Who would keep them safe from the IDF? | |||
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" Someone would need to guide them; I doubt they'd be able to just run around doing their own thing " why not? journalists have been running around warzones doing their own thing for a couple of hundred years. why do you want to stop it now? | |||
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" I would say that allowing journalists into a war zone means they have to keep them safe. Agreed. Who would keep them safe from the IDF?" Nowhere appears safe, today Gaza’s food hub suspended operations as Israel declares access routes ‘combat zones’. The refugee camps have been bombed. First responder medics shot and buried to cover up the murders. Israeli atrocities are on par with ISIS, albeit on a much larger scale. There’s a group of statisticians now estimating civilian deaths at 95,000. | |||
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"Israel have killed more journalists in Gaza than any other conflict around the world. We all know why!" It is a strange statistic, the journalists live in Gaza. | |||
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"Another 12 people killed today, including several children and women, in a strike by an Israeli drone this morning on a tent for displaced persons. I thought IDF used the lavender system to identify and verify targets. " such a shame hamas really need to send hostage's and bodies back because it want stop they still have 2.4 million targets if not | |||
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"Israel have killed more journalists in Gaza than any other conflict around the world. We all know why! It is a strange statistic, the journalists live in Gaza." Oh well, that’s ok then. | |||
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"why won't Israel allow news agencies into Gaza if they have nothing to hide? I would say that allowing journalists into a war zone means they have to keep them safe. I've met journalists and photographers who served in the middle east, and heard stories of them caught in the crossfire and shot or blown up - and that's in open desert rather than built-up urban areas. Someone would need to guide them; I doubt they'd be able to just run around doing their own thing - so who would be responsible for their well-being once they're in there, and who would be held to account when the safeguarding fails? " It's an accepted risk of journalist to get themselves into war zones to determine the facts. There are protocols to identify and safeguard journalists. The reason Israel doesn't want them in Gaza is because they fear the true facts emerging and their acts genocide exposed for the world to see. | |||
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"why won't Israel allow news agencies into Gaza if they have nothing to hide? I would say that allowing journalists into a war zone means they have to keep them safe. I've met journalists and photographers who served in the middle east, and heard stories of them caught in the crossfire and shot or blown up - and that's in open desert rather than built-up urban areas. Someone would need to guide them; I doubt they'd be able to just run around doing their own thing - so who would be responsible for their well-being once they're in there, and who would be held to account when the safeguarding fails? It's an accepted risk of journalist to get themselves into war zones to determine the facts. There are protocols to identify and safeguard journalists. The reason Israel doesn't want them in Gaza is because they fear the true facts emerging and their acts genocide exposed for the world to see." BBC journalists in war zones have ex military bodyguards, SF level. A mate is a mortgage broker and arranged a mortgage for one, over £120k salary (that was over 10 years ago) guarding cameraman and journo. I’d imagine same or similar for other news outlets. The only reason they are not allowed is what you have said, others suggesting it’s security is BS | |||
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"I remember telling a friend of mine what would happen as soon as that October seventh thing happened. Which in itself was a monstrosity, but I knew the response would be a lot lot worse. I said they wouldn’t stop until Gaza had been totally flattened, and all the people were all dead. From the river to the sea huh? There won’t be no Gaza, that’s what it will be. ![]() Have you got a link to an article for the raf? I'd be keen on reading. | |||
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"Israel have killed more journalists in Gaza than any other conflict around the world. We all know why!" The hamas armed journalists? | |||
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"Israel have killed more journalists in Gaza than any other conflict around the world. We all know why! The hamas armed journalists? " feel sorry for your delusional thoughts that every journalist is an armed hamas terrorist🤔 | |||
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" The hamas armed journalists? feel sorry for your delusional thoughts that every journalist is an armed hamas terrorist🤔" Wasn't an Al Jazeera 'journalist' found to be guarding three of the Israeli hostages? | |||
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" The hamas armed journalists? feel sorry for your delusional thoughts that every journalist is an armed hamas terrorist🤔 Wasn't an Al Jazeera 'journalist' found to be guarding three of the Israeli hostages? " Rhetorical question... Was that a Palestinian living in Gaza working for Al Jazeera as a journalist? | |||
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" The hamas armed journalists? feel sorry for your delusional thoughts that every journalist is an armed hamas terrorist🤔 Wasn't an Al Jazeera 'journalist' found to be guarding three of the Israeli hostages? " wasn't that proven to be IDF propaganda? | |||
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" The hamas armed journalists? feel sorry for your delusional thoughts that every journalist is an armed hamas terrorist🤔 Wasn't an Al Jazeera 'journalist' found to be guarding three of the Israeli hostages? wasn't that proven to be IDF propaganda?" Al Jazeera denied he worked for them - but they forgot they actually had a page about him on their website. :D Other media outlets such as the Palestine Chronicle also admitted he had worked for them - they expressed sadness at his loss, but made no mention of why he was killed. It wasn't propaganda. | |||
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"Good but sadly the sanctions won't have much effect on these 2 nazi's and it also shows just how far the USA are out of touch with the rest of the world. They have used their veto 6 times against the unsc to stop the fighting." How would a 2 state solution work? In my opinion it wont work, but happy to hear how it could work. | |||
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" Also… us ambassador to Israel has said that the us now believe there is no option to the two states solution… and that a land for Palestinians should be carved out of another Muslim state….." This has been suggested before - with Sinai being put forward as the best option, maybe in return for cancelling the Egyptian national debt. Loads of space for development and potential for prosperity - sounds like a great idea, although I'd hope for a more carrot and less stick approach when getting people to move there. | |||
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" Also… us ambassador to Israel has said that the us now believe there is no option to the two states solution… and that a land for Palestinians should be carved out of another Muslim state….. This has been suggested before - with Sinai being put forward as the best option, maybe in return for cancelling the Egyptian national debt. Loads of space for development and potential for prosperity - sounds like a great idea, although I'd hope for a more carrot and less stick approach when getting people to move there. " It is a very tight space unless the boundary is moved further down from the Egypt / Israel border and Egypts tourism would take a hit. | |||
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"It is a very tight space unless the boundary is moved further down from the Egypt / Israel border and Egypts tourism would take a hit. " from the top of my head as I've done this before but too lazy to google at the moment... Sinai is about 60,000 sq km Judea and Samaria (west bank) is less than 6000 sq km Gaza is less thank 400 sq km Population of Sinai is less under 2 million Population of Gaza and West Bank is about 5 million. You could fit something like 10 West Banks into Sinai. | |||
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"It is a very tight space unless the boundary is moved further down from the Egypt / Israel border and Egypts tourism would take a hit. from the top of my head as I've done this before but too lazy to google at the moment... Sinai is about 60,000 sq km Judea and Samaria (west bank) is less than 6000 sq km Gaza is less thank 400 sq km Population of Sinai is less under 2 million Population of Gaza and West Bank is about 5 million. You could fit something like 10 West Banks into Sinai. " I could have been clearer.. The north is tight, in terms of borders, I have walked into Israel from Egypt and Jordan is not much further by water. Egypt would need to agree and I can't see that happening. | |||
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"Egypt would need to agree and I can't see that happening." This is true - which is why cancelling their national debt might be a sweetener. State building will take decades though, so still not ideal. Although the threat of them being pushed into the region might make them wake up a bit to their refugee responsibilities. If it wasn't for Black September they'd stand a better chance of integrating into Jordan; part of Palestine until the British gave the region to the Hashemites, and already with a 75% Palestinian Arab population. | |||
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