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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep?" Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? | |||
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"Interesting that Reform is supporting the scrapping of the 2 child benefit cap, a policy more associated with the left of the Labour Party. Reform now has a clear lead in National opinion polls on around 31% while Labour is on 21% and the Tories in free fall on 16%. Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep?" I think just like the other parties they'll say anything to win votes. I trust farage about as much as I'd trust Fred and Rose west to babysit for me. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? " I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. " Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. | |||
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"He is an excellent strategist regardless of his political stance. He has both party leaders worried and the more influence he appears to have the more concessions he will take, exactly how he forced a referendum." Exactly. If Labour scraps the 2 child limit he will claim credit, if they don't he will pick up even more Labour votes. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. " I guess that's why Cummings is now a bitter moaner with no power or influence while Farage leads the current most popular party in the UK. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. I guess that's why Cummings is now a bitter moaner with no power or influence while Farage leads the current most popular party in the UK." Most popular? By MPs? by membership? He’s already splitting opinion in Clacton, such is his disappearing act. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. " You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. " He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled | |||
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"How's his budget looking? It's easy to say you'll give things away for free, when they're not yours and there's not credible independent budgetary analysis being done. " Farage has never cared for frivolities like that. Why would he? He’ll never need to enact them. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled" How has he got me fooled? | |||
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"A Poundland Trump, no more, no less." How did you come to that conclusion? It sounds great but what I can you point to that would make me say, “I see what you mean”? | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled?" By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled" It is amazing that there are still “working class” people who think Labour is the answer. Labour has been the party of the urban middle classes for over a decade. I’d love to see Starmer spend a few hours in a working men’s club in Stoke. | |||
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"I do wonder how popular Farage and his ilk would be if we had politics as a curriculum subject in schools. " It'll never happen,we can't expose kids to the real world the approach today is wrap them up in cotton wool and don't prepare them for real life, don't teach them about failure build up their confidence so they all think they are special and don't know the meaning of "no you can't do that" Exposure to politics would blow the world is a lovely place attitude right out of the water. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. " You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk..." Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled It is amazing that there are still “working class” people who think Labour is the answer. Labour has been the party of the urban middle classes for over a decade. I’d love to see Starmer spend a few hours in a working men’s club in Stoke. " Wel tbf Starmer had a more humble upbringing than Farage, for one. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled It is amazing that there are still “working class” people who think Labour is the answer. Labour has been the party of the urban middle classes for over a decade. I’d love to see Starmer spend a few hours in a working men’s club in Stoke. Wel tbf Starmer had a more humble upbringing than Farage, for one." Hmm I’m not sure. I can’t recall seeing him wandering about chatting to people on any High Street. I suspect he may not be comfortable having to face “ordinary people”. I imagine his press people have told him to keep well clear. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. " If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! | |||
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"A Poundland Trump, no more, no less." That doesn't make much sense. Farage was involved in politics well before Trump, and unlike Trump has always had clear policy objectives. Trump is the Lord of Chaos, Farage is a careful and clever strategist. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy!" Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled It is amazing that there are still “working class” people who think Labour is the answer. Labour has been the party of the urban middle classes for over a decade. I’d love to see Starmer spend a few hours in a working men’s club in Stoke. Wel tbf Starmer had a more humble upbringing than Farage, for one. Hmm I’m not sure. I can’t recall seeing him wandering about chatting to people on any High Street. I suspect he may not be comfortable having to face “ordinary people”. I imagine his press people have told him to keep well clear." Tbf, Farage has avoided Clacton pretty handily too. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. " And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.  | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent. "Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to? | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to? "You are reinforcing everything I have said. He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence. Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years."Tony Blair. I don’t dispute Farage’s political impact. I do dispute his acumen. He’s a rabble rouser, little else. His love among the masses is a mystery to me, it beggars belief that more people either can’t see his lies or just refuse to accept them. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
Tony Blair.
I don’t dispute Farage’s political impact. I do dispute his acumen. He’s a rabble rouser, little else.
His love among the masses is a mystery to me, it beggars belief that more people either can’t see his lies or just refuse to accept them.
"Blair is a fair example, influential and the Good Friday Agreement is a top tier legacy achievement. But he also made major errors that continue to impact the country today. That said, Blair was PM with the full government behind him. Farage during brexit and more importantly before the referendum had no elected government office yet he still managed to change the course of UK politics, more than any other figure in recent decades. That doesn’t mean I support Reform or Farage, which is the common misconception when someone speaks up for him! I honestly think it’s a mistake to underestimate him. He is a political strategist, and one of the most effective ones of his generation. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
Tony Blair.
I don’t dispute Farage’s political impact. I do dispute his acumen. He’s a rabble rouser, little else.
His love among the masses is a mystery to me, it beggars belief that more people either can’t see his lies or just refuse to accept them.
"In what way does Farage “lie”? I guess we shouldn’t confuse people having a different opinion to us with them being “liars”. Farage for a long time represented a spectrum of opinion that was being largely unrepresented by other parties. I’m not sure we can ascribe dishonest intentions to him. Perhaps the views that he expresses are genuinely held. The reason he has continued to grow in popularity is because the other parties have continued to ignore and belittle the unrepresented segment of society, which has grown over time, and has coincided with the epic failure of the other political contenders. It’s not possible to judge Farage in isolation without considering how the failure of the other parties has created a void for Reform. At the moment the general election is a fair way off but it won’t be long before the other parties start to panic, if the polls stay as they are. They will have to dramatically shake things up to avoid a Reform wipeout. At the moment by 2029 we are likely to have: Labour with four years of total failure behind it, led by someone who nobody likes Tories still not trusted, led by someone uninspiring LibDems not really a serious party though they will probably do moderately well Greens a bunch of nutters whose time is already past In that circumstance it looks like Reform would be the only game in town. As I say expect Labour and Tories to do something dramatic to save their own skin. Which I don’t think will work this time. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
Tony Blair.
I don’t dispute Farage’s political impact. I do dispute his acumen. He’s a rabble rouser, little else.
His love among the masses is a mystery to me, it beggars belief that more people either can’t see his lies or just refuse to accept them.
In what way does Farage “lie”? I guess we shouldn’t confuse people having a different opinion to us with them being “liars”.
"How about wanting a ‘Norway’ type deal before claiming that no-deal was best? Or his claim about the French mechanics sabotaging his car? What about claiming that Saudi, Bahrain and Kuwait hadn’t taken any Syrian refugees? (They took in over 2 million) How about claiming that 70% of U.K. laws were made by the EU? (Actually about 12-13%) What about EU membership costing 55 Million per day? (Less than half of that figure, before taking into account the positive economic returns) Those are options - they are lies. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
Tony Blair.
I don’t dispute Farage’s political impact. I do dispute his acumen. He’s a rabble rouser, little else.
His love among the masses is a mystery to me, it beggars belief that more people either can’t see his lies or just refuse to accept them.
In what way does Farage “lie”? I guess we shouldn’t confuse people having a different opinion to us with them being “liars”.
How about wanting a ‘Norway’ type deal before claiming that no-deal was best?
Or his claim about the French mechanics sabotaging his car?
What about claiming that Saudi, Bahrain and Kuwait hadn’t taken any Syrian refugees? (They took in over 2 million)
How about claiming that 70% of U.K. laws were made by the EU? (Actually about 12-13%)
What about EU membership costing 55 Million per day? (Less than half of that figure, before taking into account the positive economic returns)
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible." How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? " You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. " Whilst I would not disagree with that possibility the actuality of it is says so much (that concerns me but what will be will be and it's democracy etc etc ) given what we've seen with populist sound bite spouting flim flammers that have failed to deliver.. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. " Although like any opposition/minority party it's easy to carp from the sidelines about what you will do for cheap political point scoring than to actually present fully coated policies .. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. Whilst I would not disagree with that possibility the actuality of it is says so much (that concerns me but what will be will be and it's democracy etc etc ) given what we've seen with populist sound bite spouting flim flammers that have failed to deliver.. " When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. The big 2 parties have failed to deliver meaningful change, no matter how loud the public voice has been. They have either pacified to quieten or attacked the message. In my opinion what we are seeing is a failure of leadership from Starmer and the Tories who had power and wasted it by doing nothing. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. Although like any opposition/minority party it's easy to carp from the sidelines about what you will do for cheap political point scoring than to actually present fully coated policies .." Farage doesn't need to do anything at the moment, he can afford to sit back and apply pressure at the right time, as he did ref child benefit. He needs the influence to dictate the pace and he is succeeding in that. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. " I mean you’ve not actually answered my question. Why would increased popularity lead to more cohesive policy creation? | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. Whilst I would not disagree with that possibility the actuality of it is says so much (that concerns me but what will be will be and it's democracy etc etc ) given what we've seen with populist sound bite spouting flim flammers that have failed to deliver.. When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. The big 2 parties have failed to deliver meaningful change, no matter how loud the public voice has been. They have either pacified to quieten or attacked the message. In my opinion what we are seeing is a failure of leadership from Starmer and the Tories who had power and wasted it by doing nothing." Some will.. Others will not be fooled.. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. " Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. I mean you’ve not actually answered my question. Why would increased popularity lead to more cohesive policy creation? " I thought he’d answered. He said more influential people would flock to the reform banner. Better people means clearer communication and more coherent messages. I think the main perceived weakness of Reform is their inexperience. People know where they stand on one or two issues but as for the rest, not much has been announced. As the election draws near that will change of course. Not sure Cummings is a good choice as he turned on his last political master, but they do need more people of that ilk. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. I mean you’ve not actually answered my question. Why would increased popularity lead to more cohesive policy creation? I thought he’d answered. He said more influential people would flock to the reform banner. Better people means clearer communication and more coherent messages. " Influential does not equal better though. | |||
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"Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now?" "Can you give us an example of a promise that Farage has broken?" "It’s very easy to google. How about the expenses he promised to repay to reform candidates?" Google only showed me one candidate that says his expenses haven't been repaid. He says the promise was made in a phone call. Reform deny this. It isn't clear that any promise was made, let alone that Farage made it personally. "Let’s not also forget Farage’s promise to leave the country if Brexit failed. He then went on to say that Brexit had failed, but remains here." Farage said he would leave if Brexit was a disaster. While it may have failed to achieve the things he wanted (and he accepts that), it's not been a disaster. For most people there's been no real change at all. | |||
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"Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? Can you give us an example of a promise that Farage has broken? It’s very easy to google. How about the expenses he promised to repay to reform candidates? Google only showed me one candidate that says his expenses haven't been repaid. He says the promise was made in a phone call. Reform deny this. It isn't clear that any promise was made, let alone that Farage made it personally. Let’s not also forget Farage’s promise to leave the country if Brexit failed. He then went on to say that Brexit had failed, but remains here. Farage said he would leave if Brexit was a disaster. While it may have failed to achieve the things he wanted (and he accepts that), it's not been a disaster. For most people there's been no real change at all." Can I interest you in buying a bridge? | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. I mean you’ve not actually answered my question. Why would increased popularity lead to more cohesive policy creation? I thought he’d answered. He said more influential people would flock to the reform banner. Better people means clearer communication and more coherent messages. Influential does not equal better though. " If you’re a politician it kinda does. All politicians want to do is influence people. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. " Could it be said that it is you, that is giving voters a disservice by insinuating that to vote Reform, they must be uneducated? Which ties neatly into my point about Brexit and how remain voters viewed leave voters. The Farage effect is working, I can see it clearly. | |||
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"Interview with Dominic Cummings today who says he's been advising Farage, and also that Kemi Badenoch is 'toast'. As it becomes clearer that Reform can win the next election more influential people will start to support the party, publicly or not, and their policies will become more coherent and credible. How exactly will their electoral popularity create more coherent policy? You’re walking the same path many did during Brexit unable to believe that people would actually vote for someone like Farage and his policies. But they did, and now it’s happening again, in plain sight. I mean you’ve not actually answered my question. Why would increased popularity lead to more cohesive policy creation? I thought he’d answered. He said more influential people would flock to the reform banner. Better people means clearer communication and more coherent messages. I think the main perceived weakness of Reform is their inexperience. People know where they stand on one or two issues but as for the rest, not much has been announced. As the election draws near that will change of course. Not sure Cummings is a good choice as he turned on his last political master, but they do need more people of that ilk. " Thank you. My post was pretty clear. Unfortunately as with his previous profiles that poster likes to go on every politics thread and repeat the same point ad nauseum while ignoring any reply. 🙄 | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. " Why? Labour won by “not being the Tories”. Hard to see why Reform can’t win by “not being the Tories or Labour”. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. Why? Labour won by “not being the Tories”. Hard to see why Reform can’t win by “not being the Tories or Labour”." Interesting how 32% of a record low turnout is a mandate and landslide for Labour, but not for other parties.🤔 | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. Why? Labour won by “not being the Tories”. Hard to see why Reform can’t win by “not being the Tories or Labour”." You’re suggesting that the public don’t understand or care for policy. Undoubtedly true for some - likely the least engaged and educated - but certainly not all, or even a majority | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. " I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo" Well pedantically, most voters didn’t vote for Brexit, but that’s by the by - it is indeed a strange phenomena when people vote against their interests just because they don’t like an incumbent. Slow clap. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo" Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit.. 
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. Why? Labour won by “not being the Tories”. Hard to see why Reform can’t win by “not being the Tories or Labour”. Interesting how 32% of a record low turnout is a mandate and landslide for Labour, but not for other parties.🤔" We need to ditch first past the post. It is an embarrassment. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
"most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. Why? Labour won by “not being the Tories”. Hard to see why Reform can’t win by “not being the Tories or Labour”. Interesting how 32% of a record low turnout is a mandate and landslide for Labour, but not for other parties.🤔 We need to ditch first past the post. It is an embarrassment." Indeed we do. Ironically if we’d had proportional representation prior to the 2015 election, then we probably never leave the EU. | |||
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"Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now?" "Can you give us an example of a promise that Farage has broken?" "It’s very easy to google. How about the expenses he promised to repay to reform candidates?" "Google only showed me one candidate that says his expenses haven't been repaid. He says the promise was made in a phone call. Reform deny this. It isn't clear that any promise was made, let alone that Farage made it personally." "Let’s not also forget Farage’s promise to leave the country if Brexit failed. He then went on to say that Brexit had failed, but remains here." "Farage said he would leave if Brexit was a disaster. While it may have failed to achieve the things he wanted (and he accepts that), it's not been a disaster. For most people there's been no real change at all." "Can I interest you in buying a bridge?" I see what you're doing there, implying that I'm gullible by referring to a famous (and untrue) story. What I also see is that you've made a sweeping statement that Farage has never kept a promise in his life, and that you're unable to back that up with any evidence. | |||
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"Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? Can you give us an example of a promise that Farage has broken? It’s very easy to google. How about the expenses he promised to repay to reform candidates? Google only showed me one candidate that says his expenses haven't been repaid. He says the promise was made in a phone call. Reform deny this. It isn't clear that any promise was made, let alone that Farage made it personally. Let’s not also forget Farage’s promise to leave the country if Brexit failed. He then went on to say that Brexit had failed, but remains here. Farage said he would leave if Brexit was a disaster. While it may have failed to achieve the things he wanted (and he accepts that), it's not been a disaster. For most people there's been no real change at all. Can I interest you in buying a bridge? I see what you're doing there, implying that I'm gullible by referring to a famous (and untrue) story. What I also see is that you've made a sweeping statement that Farage has never kept a promise in his life, and that you're unable to back that up with any evidence." You’re the one who’s chosen not to believe the broken promise reported. See how this works? | |||
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"You’re the one who’s chosen not to believe the broken promise reported. See how this works?" If Farage really had never kept a promise in his life, I'd expect there to be more than just one disputed example. Is it possible that you're just believing what you want to believe? | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus"You clearly missed the laughing emoji.. But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it..   | |||
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"For many years opinion polls have shown that the public leans left on the economy and right on cultural and social issues, especially immigration. Either Labour or the Conservatives could have been that party and been elected multiple times, as has happened in Denmark with the Social Democrats, but the leadership of both parties is dominated by middle class liberals who despite popular opinion. Reform's success is the natural consequence of their failure." Can't disagree but it's still a bit premature to give him the keys to number ten which some seem to think he should get tomorrow.. | |||
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"For many years opinion polls have shown that the public leans left on the economy and right on cultural and social issues, especially immigration. Either Labour or the Conservatives could have been that party and been elected multiple times, as has happened in Denmark with the Social Democrats, but the leadership of both parties is dominated by middle class liberals who despite popular opinion. Reform's success is the natural consequence of their failure." Except reform don’t lean left on the economy. In fact we don’t know exactly where they stand, because they can’t even agree themselves. And once again, when you’re choosing to vote for a party ‘just because it’s not the other 2’ I’m going to question your logic. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus
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But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it.. "so why did you say the majority didn't vote for brexit? | |||
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"For many years opinion polls have shown that the public leans left on the economy and right on cultural and social issues, especially immigration. Either Labour or the Conservatives could have been that party and been elected multiple times, as has happened in Denmark with the Social Democrats, but the leadership of both parties is dominated by middle class liberals who despite popular opinion. Reform's success is the natural consequence of their failure. Can't disagree but it's still a bit premature to give him the keys to number ten which some seem to think he should get tomorrow.. " Of course, anything could happen in four years, but you only have to look at Labour's recent announcements on immigration to see how much Reform is driving the political agenda whether in power or not. For the first time it's become about Labour and Tories chasing Reform voters rather than the reverse, a significant shift I think. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus
You clearly missed the laughing emoji..
But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it.. so why did you say the majority didn't vote for brexit?"The majority of the electorate didn’t vote for Brexit. In fact a majority of the electorate haven’t voted for anything in decades. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus
You clearly missed the laughing emoji..
But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it.. so why did you say the majority didn't vote for brexit?"Because they didn't, yes I know not everyone voted but the majority didn't vote for Brexit.. Hence my | |||
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"For many years opinion polls have shown that the public leans left on the economy and right on cultural and social issues, especially immigration. Either Labour or the Conservatives could have been that party and been elected multiple times, as has happened in Denmark with the Social Democrats, but the leadership of both parties is dominated by middle class liberals who despite popular opinion. Reform's success is the natural consequence of their failure. Can't disagree but it's still a bit premature to give him the keys to number ten which some seem to think he should get tomorrow.. Of course, anything could happen in four years, but you only have to look at Labour's recent announcements on immigration to see how much Reform is driving the political agenda whether in power or not. For the first time it's become about Labour and Tories chasing Reform voters rather than the reverse, a significant shift I think." He's trying to pander to both left and right, on steel he was against nationalisation and now he's saying it should be.. Some might call it clever politics but others will call it flip flopping just to be popular.. At some point and yes there's a while yet a more defined set of policies will be needed.. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus
You clearly missed the laughing emoji..
But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it.. so why did you say the majority didn't vote for brexit?
Because they didn't, yes I know not everyone voted but the majority didn't vote for Brexit..
Hence my "the majority didn't vote to remain either then,only them who took part have a right to be happy or pissed off about it,the rest of us who didn't bother obviously didn't care what way it went | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus
You clearly missed the laughing emoji..
But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it.. so why did you say the majority didn't vote for brexit?
Because they didn't, yes I know not everyone voted but the majority didn't vote for Brexit..
Hence my the majority didn't vote to remain either then,only them who took part have a right to be happy or pissed off about it,the rest of us who didn't bother obviously didn't care what way it went"I didn't say that they did.. Are you sure you don't care, because you do post often about it? Not digging you out, fully respect it's everyone's right to not take part in the process.. | |||
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" When people feel let down by the so called “grown ups in the room,” they will turn to someone who listens to them. Who they think listens to them* But that’s doing the public a disservice, because the majority of educated voters won’t go reform simply because lab/com have let them down. Reform have to actually offer some substance - and substance is not Farage’s strong suit. I bet you thought most voters wouldn't vote for brexit either people do strange things when they have had enough of the status quo Looking at the numbers most people didn't vote for Brexit..
most of those who voted did you can't count under 18s or people like me who didn't vote,all that matters was the ones who went to vote and the majority of them voted for brexit,same as the Labour goverment we have now,out of those who voted the majority went with labour,anyones who moans about the result who didn't vote have only themselves to blame,myself I'm not botherd who got in as my life hasn't got better or worse no matter what clowns have been running the circus
You clearly missed the laughing emoji..
But thanks for the update on how the system works for those of us who actually take part in it.. so why did you say the majority didn't vote for brexit?
Because they didn't, yes I know not everyone voted but the majority didn't vote for Brexit..
Hence my the majority didn't vote to remain either then,only them who took part have a right to be happy or pissed off about it,the rest of us who didn't bother obviously didn't care what way it went"Yes that is also true. Neither leave or remain can claim to have the majority of the electorate vote. Only leave can claim to have got the majority of those that actually voted. For the GE not sure any party can claim to have the majority of the electorate. Unless we force people to vote it will probably always be the case | |||
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"Election forecast today that Tories would have only 10 seats on current polling. I think no chance Kemi Badenoch can survive but changing leader yet again opens the party to more ridicule. Look to France to see how historic parties can simply disappear very quickly, can easily happen here." Boris will be back within 12-18 months of the next GE | |||
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"Election forecast today that Tories would have only 10 seats on current polling. I think no chance Kemi Badenoch can survive but changing leader yet again opens the party to more ridicule. Look to France to see how historic parties can simply disappear very quickly, can easily happen here. Boris will be back within 12-18 months of the next GE " To do what? Stand as a reform candidate? There's no way he will put the graft in to rebuild the Tories, he's too busy earning in the chat circuit.. And he doesn't do 'detail'.. | |||
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"Election forecast today that Tories would have only 10 seats on current polling. I think no chance Kemi Badenoch can survive but changing leader yet again opens the party to more ridicule. Look to France to see how historic parties can simply disappear very quickly, can easily happen here. Boris will be back within 12-18 months of the next GE " Absolutely zero chance. The Boriswave of mass immigration will probably end the Conservatives as a party of Government. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years."In all but name he is pretty much the de facto PM now. Farage, stop the boats. Starmer "island of strangers". Farage, cut Quango funding by 5%. Starmer announces cutting Quango funding by 5%. Farage, scrap the 2 child cap on child benefit. Starmer, looking at scrapping the 2 child cap. Farage, restore WFA. Starmer, looking at restoring WFA. Farage, nuke Russia. OK he hasn't said it but Starmer would certainly give it a coat of looking at if there were a few votes in it.  | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson." Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? " Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. " Really, you paint all people with the same brush? | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? " I’ve found this to be true more often than not, I’m sure there are exceptions that have made an informed decision to just mentally live in the 1970’s too though. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? I’ve found this to be true more often than not, I’m sure there are exceptions that have made an informed decision to just mentally live in the 1970’s too though. " There must be something more compelling than feelings to categorise any person who has a different political outlook than yourself, as a someone who can't think correctly. Having said that, I think this outlook is becoming more common. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? " Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? I’ve found this to be true more often than not, I’m sure there are exceptions that have made an informed decision to just mentally live in the 1970’s too though. There must be something more compelling than feelings to categorise any person who has a different political outlook than yourself, as a someone who can't think correctly. Having said that, I think this outlook is becoming more common." We’re discussing Reform, and Nigel Farage. Extrapolating my comment to presumptuously envelope everything I don’t agree with politically is a straw man argument, a logical fallacy. An indicator of incorrect thinking? That’s what a fallacy connotes after all  | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. " There’s a clear difference between being critical of an organisation with a defined function such as a union and making sweeping generalisations about people. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. There’s a clear difference between being critical of an organisation with a defined function such as a union and making sweeping generalisations about people. " “All trade unions” doesn’t refer to any one organisation, with any single function. So it’s still a sweeping generalisation, only this time it’s about collectives. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. There’s a clear difference between being critical of an organisation with a defined function such as a union and making sweeping generalisations about people. “All trade unions” doesn’t refer to any one organisation, with any single function. So it’s still a sweeping generalisation, only this time it’s about collectives." I haven't referred to all unions just the function of a union. I pointed out how an organisation with a clear role is very different to people who are multifaceted and not bound by the same rules. It is going to better to leave this discussion where it is, there is nothing to add that will enhance it. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. There’s a clear difference between being critical of an organisation with a defined function such as a union and making sweeping generalisations about people. “All trade unions” doesn’t refer to any one organisation, with any single function. So it’s still a sweeping generalisation, only this time it’s about collectives. I haven't referred to all unions just the function of a union. I pointed out how an organisation with a clear role is very different to people who are multifaceted and not bound by the same rules. It is going to better to leave this discussion where it is, there is nothing to add that will enhance it. " Agreed  | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
In all but name he is pretty much the de facto PM now.
It’s incredibly early to be *this* high"High road, low road. Whatever road Farage is on Starmer seems to follow. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
In all but name he is pretty much the de facto PM now.
It’s incredibly early to be *this* high
High road, low road.
Whatever road Farage is on Starmer seems to follow."It is so strange that people can't see how he is manipulating the leaders of other parties through his comments.. Exactly how he worked with UKIP and managed to secure a referendum and following on from that the leave campaign. Why people can't see this and try to dismiss him with slurs is beyond me, when he has a track record of success in this strategy. | |||
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" Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep? Farage has never kept a promise in his life. Why start now? I'm pretty sure he achieved and won a Referendum on EU membership, the issue he'd campaigned for for decades. Well to be a pedant, he didn’t win, because he wasn’t part of the leave campaign. In fact, dom Cummings did everything to keep vote leave away from Farage because he understood the impact that Farage has on the voters that were needed to sway the vote. Farage is a snake-oil salesman. Nothing more. You are underestimating him. Farage pushed for a referendum and got it through the influence of UKIP. Cummings was a euro sceptic that over stepped the mark while working for Cameron, who sacked him. Farage doesn’t care who runs the ship, as long as the ship is sailing in his direction. He runs rings around the main 2 political parties, and why is he doing that? Because, Brexit has not been delivered to his liking, he trusted Boris and moved aside, now he wants to remedy that mistake. He’s a snake oil salesman that only cares about himself and his wealthy mates. He cares naught for the working class. He’s got you truly fooled How has he got me fooled? By assuming that he wants to ‘remedy’ the Brexit ‘mistake’ There was no mistake. He got Brexit, he cashed in on it, and it failed so he gets to keep harping on about how it’s failed. If Brexit had been a success (Chuckle) he’d be irrelevant, and he knows it. You seem to be in possession of a very accurate crystal ball! Your comments really do remind of someone who used to post in a similar ilk... Crystal balls reveal the future. I’m discussing the past and present. If Brexit had been a success, he'd be irrelevant...your words. How is that last and present matey boy! Because we know that Brexit was a failure. It’s happened, and it delivered none of the promises. And there you go, my point as to why Reform was formed and why he is now so prominent.
Because he shouts loudly and provides no solutions, you mean? Or because now he distances himself from the project that he devoted himself to?
You are reinforcing everything I have said.
He doesn't care if he is PM or not, he has proven he can steer the outcomes he wants from his influence.
Name one other politician who has been more influential or successful than Farage over the last 20 years.
In all but name he is pretty much the de facto PM now.
It’s incredibly early to be *this* high
High road, low road.
Whatever road Farage is on Starmer seems to follow.
It is so strange that people can't see how he is manipulating the leaders of other parties through his comments.. Exactly how he worked with UKIP and managed to secure a referendum and following on from that the leave campaign.
Why people can't see this and try to dismiss him with slurs is beyond me, when he has a track record of success in this strategy."Slurs, I reserve the right to use because I deeply dislike him and what he stands for. That said, I don’t dismiss him. I meant what I said about him being an exceptional politician. He’s also unfortunately deeply cynical and that’s why he’s dangerous. | |||
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"Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving." I haven't seen anyone claim that. Can you give us an example? | |||
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"Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. I haven't seen anyone claim that. Can you give us an example?" Once again, a Google search or perhaps a browse of keywords in any social media app will point you in the right direction. | |||
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"Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving." "I haven't seen anyone claim that. Can you give us an example?" "Once again, a Google search or perhaps a browse of keywords in any social media app will point you in the right direction." Ah! You mean in the general population, not here in this thread. Glad to see that you aren't accusing anyone here of doing that. | |||
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"Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. I haven't seen anyone claim that. Can you give us an example? Once again, a Google search or perhaps a browse of keywords in any social media app will point you in the right direction. Ah! You mean in the general population, not here in this thread. Glad to see that you aren't accusing anyone here of doing that." There are some wayward (and strong) views on trade unions on this forum, as you’re well aware. I’m pretty sure that if we could search individual posts rather than just headings we’d soon find a ‘greedy unions’ comment, though. Next time one pops up, we’ll have to make a point to recognise it | |||
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"There are some wayward (and strong) views on trade unions on this forum, as you’re well aware. I’m pretty sure that if we could search individual posts rather than just headings we’d soon find a ‘greedy unions’ comment, though. Next time one pops up, we’ll have to make a point to recognise it" Agreed. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes us. | |||
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"He has just mentioned interest rate falls as being good . What about savers? . " The data is skewed by some extreme figures at either end of the scale, but the average savings held by someone in the U.K is just 9k. 30% of people have no savings at all. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one." So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure? | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?" And Starmer became PM with around 20% of the electorate. Almost half who voted for Brexit. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. Starmer is simply a middle class left wing EU loving lawyer . He has just mentioned interest rate falls as being good . What about savers? . " Do you think economic policy should be targeted at the other 33% ? Pat.. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?" Ssshh - we can't have rational thinking here . Not to mention that that 37% was a figure from the past, as most of those now disagree with that old choice. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?" . Not sure why 37 % is relevant. The actual result was 52 % voted to leave , 48 % to remain . | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?. Not sure why 37 % is relevant. The actual result was 52 % voted to leave , 48 % to remain . " It’s relevant because too often people like to say ‘the majority of people voted for Brexit’ - they didn’t. A small majority of those who voted on one day did. 37% of the electorate and around a quarter of the population. Doesn’t change the result, but it clarifies an incorrect statement made by too many. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?. Not sure why 37 % is relevant. The actual result was 52 % voted to leave , 48 % to remain . It’s relevant because too often people like to say ‘the majority of people voted for Brexit’ - they didn’t. A small majority of those who voted on one day did. 37% of the electorate and around a quarter of the population. Doesn’t change the result, but it clarifies an incorrect statement made by too many. " So using your logic only 33 % voted to remain. It was still a substantial win. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one. So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?. Not sure why 37 % is relevant. The actual result was 52 % voted to leave , 48 % to remain . It’s relevant because too often people like to say ‘the majority of people voted for Brexit’ - they didn’t. A small majority of those who voted on one day did. 37% of the electorate and around a quarter of the population. Doesn’t change the result, but it clarifies an incorrect statement made by too many. So using your logic only 33 % voted to remain. It was still a substantial win. " It’s not my logic - it’s just maths. And was it substantial? We’re talking about just over 600k votes to swing it the other way. Only a fool would pretend it was anything other than close. | |||
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"Farage could have the Brexit he wanted but decided to 'trust' Boris and pull all his MP's out so the Tories could win.....shows what sort of coward he really is. " Let’s not forget all those candidates who lost their deposit in that little move. Stood down, out of pocket. | |||
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"Farage could have the Brexit he wanted but decided to 'trust' Boris and pull all his MP's out so the Tories could win.....shows what sort of coward he really is. If he had any convictions he would hand his blood money EU pension back and give his and his familys EU passports back. What a patriot He is nothing more than a charlatan and a chancer. How come anyone believes he is 'one of us' when he is a multi millionaire banker is beyond me " How is he a charlatan and chancer? That sounds good but what does it mean? | |||
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"Farage could have the Brexit he wanted but decided to 'trust' Boris and pull all his MP's out so the Tories could win.....shows what sort of coward he really is. If he had any convictions he would hand his blood money EU pension back and give his and his familys EU passports back. What a patriot He is nothing more than a charlatan and a chancer. How come anyone believes he is 'one of us' when he is a multi millionaire banker is beyond me " Farage ceased being a “banker” decades ago. And why can’t someone who works in “banking” be “one of us”? What do you have against people who work in banking? Many people who work in banking survive on very ordinary wages. Without banks there would be no means for people to buy a home or trade freely or function on a daily basis in any kind of civil society. The government (which exists on debt) would cease to function. At what point does someone having more money than you make you unable to associate with them? Can you associate with people who have less than you? | |||
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"Farage could have the Brexit he wanted but decided to 'trust' Boris and pull all his MP's out so the Tories could win.....shows what sort of coward he really is. If he had any convictions he would hand his blood money EU pension back and give his and his familys EU passports back. What a patriot He is nothing more than a charlatan and a chancer. How come anyone believes he is 'one of us' when he is a multi millionaire banker is beyond me Farage ceased being a “banker” decades ago. " Indeed, he became a fully paid up member of the establishment. And we know how he feels about those. | |||
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"Farage could have the Brexit he wanted but decided to 'trust' Boris and pull all his MP's out so the Tories could win.....shows what sort of coward he really is. If he had any convictions he would hand his blood money EU pension back and give his and his familys EU passports back. What a patriot He is nothing more than a charlatan and a chancer. How come anyone believes he is 'one of us' when he is a multi millionaire banker is beyond me Farage ceased being a “banker” decades ago. Indeed, he became a fully paid up member of the establishment. And we know how he feels about those. " I’m pleased to hear that you aren’t an adherent of the blob orthodoxy. | |||
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"Farage could have the Brexit he wanted but decided to 'trust' Boris and pull all his MP's out so the Tories could win.....shows what sort of coward he really is. If he had any convictions he would hand his blood money EU pension back and give his and his familys EU passports back. What a patriot He is nothing more than a charlatan and a chancer. How come anyone believes he is 'one of us' when he is a multi millionaire banker is beyond me " . Why would he hand his pension money or passport back. No one else has. He is hardly a coward. He was the driving force behind the referendum and succeeded. He let the electorate decide our future. What is wrong with being a,banker or multi millionaire. . He is paying more in tax than most people in addition to contributing to the future of the UK. She will probably be the next prime minister. | |||
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"Echoes of Boris are strong with farage, friends with some seriously off far right types, then a cpl of bandwagons to further his own brand in the EU, then Brexit, then ukip and now reform.. Flips to the left and flips to the right where it best suits him and I think he is like Boris only interested in self and all the rest is purely about achieving what's best for himself personally.. The Tories I think will continue to be the opposition after 29 but they might be third behind the Liberals, to write them off is too early given their longevity one shouldn't dismiss them just yet.. Farage won't stay the course, another opportunity will present itself and he'll move on.. " Whether you call it flipping or flexibility, the most successful politicians are those that can appeal beyond their natural supporters, especially at a time when traditional definitions of left and right are breaking down. Immigration for example is characterised as a right wing issue but it's generally working class voters who are most concerned about it. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is probably one of the most successfull politicians of modern times. He was the driving force that led to the EU referendum. An excellent communicator and is now leading a party which is 10% of Labour in the opinion polls. It is laughable to listen to Kier Starmer mentioning mortgages when only 67 % of the population have one." "So Brexit, voted for by 37% of the electorate, makes Farage a success, but Starmer addressing an issue which affects 67% of the electorate makes him a failure?." "Not sure why 37 % is relevant. The actual result was 52 % voted to leave , 48 % to remain." I was very clear, I said 37% of the electorate. And I chose the whole electorate because that's what your 67% figure is related to, the whole country, not just those that voted. | |||
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"Echoes of Boris are strong with farage, friends with some seriously off far right types, then a cpl of bandwagons to further his own brand in the EU, then Brexit, then ukip and now reform.. Flips to the left and flips to the right where it best suits him and I think he is like Boris only interested in self and all the rest is purely about achieving what's best for himself personally.. The Tories I think will continue to be the opposition after 29 but they might be third behind the Liberals, to write them off is too early given their longevity one shouldn't dismiss them just yet.. Farage won't stay the course, another opportunity will present itself and he'll move on.. Whether you call it flipping or flexibility, the most successful politicians are those that can appeal beyond their natural supporters, especially at a time when traditional definitions of left and right are breaking down. Immigration for example is characterised as a right wing issue but it's generally working class voters who are most concerned about it." I'm not saying it's not common place, we're seeing it already with labour in office and it was almost weekly with some of the several PM's the last lot had.. And in opposition albeit a minor party it's piss easy to say we will do this every time it's opportune to reach out to the left or the right but come the days long before polling it needs to be more structured.. Would disagree on immigration, I think it's an issue across all voters and not just those who used to be the working class demographic.. It affects anyone who accesses public services, schools, doctors etc.. It's been a mess for decades and nonparty has got a grip yet so yes someone like farage will say he as PM will sort it but again easy to say in opposition.. | |||
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" It's been a mess for decades and nonparty has got a grip yet so yes someone like farage will say he as PM will sort it but again easy to say in opposition.." Farage was quick and vocal in blaming the EU for migration but never pointed out that most migration to the UK was non-EU and could have been controlled all along. He’s a shyster. | |||
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" It's been a mess for decades and nonparty has got a grip yet so yes someone like farage will say he as PM will sort it but again easy to say in opposition.. Farage was quick and vocal in blaming the EU for migration but never pointed out that most migration to the UK was non-EU and could have been controlled all along. He’s a shyster. " Keep the message simple and distort the reality, posters showing 'hordes' etc.. | |||
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"Nigel Farage is an exceptionally good politician, in that he is good at politics. He provides a voice and an avenue to the millions of people in the UK that can only discuss politics in single, distinct and often baseless soundbites. That’s why their “mAnIfEsTo” was just a fantastic wishlist that read like a ransom note from Jeremy Clarkson. Why do you believe people who would vote for Reform are not capable of political thinking beyond soundbites? Maybe because they’re very vocal on social media and it’s easy to pick apart their arguments. Really, you paint all people with the same brush? Well stereotypes are stereotypes for a reason and we’re all guilty of using them. Like (for example) claiming that all trades unions are greedy and self serving. " Stereotypes are Stereotypes for a reason.. WOW... Starting to sound dangerously right wing there. Does that apply to all Stereotypes? Or just the ones that suit your narrative? | |||
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" It's been a mess for decades and nonparty has got a grip yet so yes someone like farage will say he as PM will sort it but again easy to say in opposition.. Farage was quick and vocal in blaming the EU for migration but never pointed out that most migration to the UK was non-EU and could have been controlled all along. He’s a shyster. " Your the one being a shyster now.. Most of the immigration when we where members of the EU was from the EU. The EU settlement scheme has had 7.8mill applicants.. | |||
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" It's been a mess for decades and nonparty has got a grip yet so yes someone like farage will say he as PM will sort it but again easy to say in opposition.. Farage was quick and vocal in blaming the EU for migration but never pointed out that most migration to the UK was non-EU and could have been controlled all along. He’s a shyster. Your the one being a shyster now.. Most of the immigration when we where members of the EU was from the EU. " No it wasn’t. It was always majority non-EU by a small percentage. It’s easy to research. | |||
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"Interesting that Reform is supporting the scrapping of the 2 child benefit cap, a policy more associated with the left of the Labour Party. Reform now has a clear lead in National opinion polls on around 31% while Labour is on 21% and the Tories in free fall on 16%. Is this a typical piece of smart politics by Farage or just cynical promises the party won't keep?" I feel that reform voters will be extremely disappointed if they actually get power. Very little of what they promise will actually happen in my view. | |||
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