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"Says Trump 367 drones and missiles fired on Ukraine in 36 hours. Trump has rebuked Zelenskiy again and says Putins gone crazy and he’s not happy. Looks like it’s all eyes on USA now, minerals deal done and penny dropped for Trump that Russia ain’t stopping. Trump has said if Russia goes for all of Ukraine, it will be the downfall of Russia. War talk or bluff ? " TACO: Trump Always Chickens Out | |||
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"Putin has clearly taken Trump's wavering on Ukraine and NATO has a sign to finish the job in Ukraine. He'll push for a complete occupation as things stand." Which means Trumps mineral deal to repay the USA is null. | |||
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" Europe has impoverished itself for nothing." I think coming to the aid of an invaded nation is not ‘for nothing’, personally. | |||
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"We’ve been told since 2022 by our politicians and media that: Ukraine is winning Russia is on the verge of collapse Putin is about to die and “only has one ball”, “wears platform shoes”, “walks with a limp” etc etc. Bit of a shock that things aren’t working out that way. Europe has impoverished itself for nothing." Russias military undoubtedly at its weakest after three and half years. Is now the time for nato to kick them out ? | |||
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" Europe has impoverished itself for nothing. I think coming to the aid of an invaded nation is not ‘for nothing’, personally. " Glad your support for Israel remains firm. | |||
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" Europe has impoverished itself for nothing. I think coming to the aid of an invaded nation is not ‘for nothing’, personally. Glad your support for Israel remains firm. " No, I said invaded nation, not genicidal regimes | |||
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"Ukraine keeps on blinking and russias natural instinct is to land a blow, it is obvious that Russia is itching for a fight, will the coalition of the willing led by mr Starmer stand up to a bully." That is where it is now for sure. It’s taken three years for the penny to drop. | |||
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Trump seems more focused on $ trade and Russia . He'll gladly walk away, when he's let it deteriorate. | |||
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"Trump has taken the lightest touch with Putin. It's disgusting. Especially when you compare it to the disrespectful attacks on Zelensky, at the Whitehouse
Trump seems more focused on $ trade and Russia . He'll gladly walk away, when he's let it deteriorate. "I agree with you. But there’s a large swell of opinion in the US that they shouldn’t be spending such massive sums of money getting involved in conflicts half way around the world that some think “don’t affect them” I personally think them not getting involved will affect them, but Trump is doing what most politicians do, keep his supporters happy. Some of what his administration have said is true, we in Europe have cut military spending, sometimes below NATO agreed levels, because we want to spend the money elsewhere and think the US will bail us out. So to some extent it’s the age old “do as we say not as we do” thinking of liberal EU states. | |||
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"Trump has taken the lightest touch with Putin. It's disgusting. Especially when you compare it to the disrespectful attacks on Zelensky, at the Whitehouse
Trump seems more focused on $ trade and Russia . He'll gladly walk away, when he's let it deteriorate. "And Trump has joined Biden in continuing to supply Israel with bombs to drop on Gaza, over 150,000 tonnes so far supplied by USA. | |||
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"Ukraine keeps on blinking and russias natural instinct is to land a blow, it is obvious that Russia is itching for a fight, will the coalition of the willing led by mr Starmer stand up to a bully." Starmer could lead a pekinese downhill. Does he really not know how much our military “might” has been reduced over the last forty years? Continental Europe are no better, no wonder Putin is pissing himself. It doesn’t matter what people think about Donald Trump, he is the best chance the West has, against the Russian despot. | |||
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"ukraine has proved with the aid of couple of technical lego kits and a radio controlled boat or two, that not much of a military is needed to halt a 72 hour war by the russians." They have done amazing well. A soldier defending his home will be way more committed and effective than a soldier following orders to attack a country that was once on their side. But….. And it’s a big but, Putin has not thrown his full military might into it. And Ukraine has received hundreds of billions in aid, technology and equipment | |||
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"ukraine has proved with the aid of couple of technical lego kits and a radio controlled boat or two, that not much of a military is needed to halt a 72 hour war by the russians. They have done amazing well. A soldier defending his home will be way more committed and effective than a soldier following orders to attack a country that was once on their side. But….. And it’s a big but, Putin has not thrown his full military might into it. And Ukraine has received hundreds of billions in aid, technology and equipment " I think he’s put everything in except a nuclear bomb The mobilisations, reported 40% Russia state income spent on war, and only 20% of Ukrainian territory taken in 3.5 years. Russia is making extremely slow progress. | |||
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"ukraine has proved with the aid of couple of technical lego kits and a radio controlled boat or two, that not much of a military is needed to halt a 72 hour war by the russians. They have done amazing well. A soldier defending his home will be way more committed and effective than a soldier following orders to attack a country that was once on their side. But….. And it’s a big but, Putin has not thrown his full military might into it. And Ukraine has received hundreds of billions in aid, technology and equipment I think he’s put everything in except a nuclear bomb The mobilisations, reported 40% Russia state income spent on war, and only 20% of Ukrainian territory taken in 3.5 years. Russia is making extremely slow progress. " They have an army of around a million and a reserve of double that. Plus 1,500 combat aircraft. I’m not sure what they have used but I don’t think it comes close to that. | |||
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"ukraine has proved with the aid of couple of technical lego kits and a radio controlled boat or two, that not much of a military is needed to halt a 72 hour war by the russians. They have done amazing well. A soldier defending his home will be way more committed and effective than a soldier following orders to attack a country that was once on their side. But….. And it’s a big but, Putin has not thrown his full military might into it. And Ukraine has received hundreds of billions in aid, technology and equipment I think he’s put everything in except a nuclear bomb The mobilisations, reported 40% Russia state income spent on war, and only 20% of Ukrainian territory taken in 3.5 years. Russia is making extremely slow progress. They have an army of around a million and a reserve of double that. Plus 1,500 combat aircraft. I’m not sure what they have used but I don’t think it comes close to that. " NATO without the US has just over 2m troops and far more sophisticated weaponry. What it doesn't seem to have is the will. I suspect that Russia will pick at the edges and erode in that way. Sadly I don't think article 5 is worth anything...and I don't think Russia does either and it will test it in the not too distant future | |||
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"Trump has been played by Putin, his own ego fully exploited as Moscow has strung him along.. And he's sending out a very clear signal that if your a Palestinian/ Muslim then your life is worth much less than a white Eastern European.." I did say a while back Putin would stab Trump in the back. They need to take the little fecka out and fast. He's got eyes on France and UK. He thinks they are weak and led by plebs. They should have signed up Ukraine first week of the war to Nato and stomped on Russias invasion nipped it in the bud. Nuclear? Putin knows full well his arsenal is crap and the fall out would blow back on Russia and China who would be well pissed off with them. The west pussy footed about with Putin, the way you tackle a bully is you punch him back only harder. | |||
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" in todays news, moscow just got battered.... amazing what can be done with a few airfix kits "Any link, only news is can find is drone debris hits Moscow block. https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-russia-trump-zelenskyy-peace-talks-12541713 | |||
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"We’ve been told since 2022 by our politicians and media that: Ukraine is winning Russia is on the verge of collapse Putin is about to die and “only has one ball”, “wears platform shoes”, “walks with a limp” etc etc. Bit of a shock that things aren’t working out that way. Europe has impoverished itself for nothing." I remember watching clip somewhere that said the scariest thing about Russia is that Putin is considered a moderate by many in Russian politics and those waiting in the wings if and when he retires are genuinely scary | |||
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" in todays news, moscow just got battered.... amazing what can be done with a few airfix kits
Any link, only news is can find is drone debris hits Moscow block.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-russia-trump-zelenskyy-peace-talks-12541713"here's the telegraph daily ukraine podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aa_PtAorDA there's plenty of geo-confirmed footage of drone strikes around the city. also reliable reports of the russian cabinet being forced to relocate further east to avoid the bombardment. | |||
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"He's got eyes on France and UK. He thinks they are weak and led by plebs." Even Putin can get it right occasionally.  | |||
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" in todays news, moscow just got battered.... amazing what can be done with a few airfix kits
Any link, only news is can find is drone debris hits Moscow block.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-russia-trump-zelenskyy-peace-talks-12541713
here's the telegraph daily ukraine podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aa_PtAorDA
there's plenty of geo-confirmed footage of drone strikes around the city. also reliable reports of the russian cabinet being forced to relocate further east to avoid the bombardment.
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" in todays news, moscow just got battered.... amazing what can be done with a few airfix kits
Any link, only news is can find is drone debris hits Moscow block.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-putin-russia-trump-zelenskyy-peace-talks-12541713
here's the telegraph daily ukraine podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Aa_PtAorDA
there's plenty of geo-confirmed footage of drone strikes around the city. also reliable reports of the russian cabinet being forced to relocate further east to avoid the bombardment.
Hardly a convincing report."NFG | |||
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"7.9 billion poundsworth of military hardware destroyed, basically 40 of the heavy high altitude bombers that deliver cruise missiles from long range.... all taken out by a few quids worth of toys and all operatives extracted prior to the begining of the attack .... now that's impressive." They would have won this war a year ago had the west had provided the necessary. | |||
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"7.9 billion poundsworth of military hardware destroyed ..." Not exactly destroyed, but certainly damaged. Russia probably has the capabilities to repair these aircraft, but even so, the propaganda victory is large for Ukraine. | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. " In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation. | |||
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"We’ve been told since 2022 by our politicians and media that: Ukraine is winning Russia is on the verge of collapse Putin is about to die and “only has one ball”, “wears platform shoes”, “walks with a limp” etc etc. Bit of a shock that things aren’t working out that way. Europe has impoverished itself for nothing. I remember watching clip somewhere that said the scariest thing about Russia is that Putin is considered a moderate by many in Russian politics and those waiting in the wings if and when he retires are genuinely scary" Even more reason to take the feckas apart, the bigger and badder they are the harder they fall. Light the feckas up. Knock the arrogance out of em and the yellow off their teeth. | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation." my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back." "In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation." "my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh" Do your friends have good quality pictures of the damage to make such a determination? Did they serve their apprenticeships in Russia? Don't forget that during the cold war Russia designed a bomber that had difficulty getting off the ground when fully laden. They solved that problem by removing the lead plates that shielded the pilots from the radiation. Russians just have a different attitude on the value of life. There's a reason why they invented Russian Roulette. | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation. my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh Do your friends have good quality pictures of the damage to make such a determination? Did they serve their apprenticeships in Russia? Don't forget that during the cold war Russia designed a bomber that had difficulty getting off the ground when fully laden. They solved that problem by removing the lead plates that shielded the pilots from the radiation. Russians just have a different attitude on the value of life. There's a reason why they invented Russian Roulette." Or maybe their technology and maintenance of it is utter shite. The Ukrainians repaired the Russian broken tanks and used em against the feckas. Russian army is overrated, eve their spies are useless. | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation. my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh Do your friends have good quality pictures of the damage to make such a determination? Did they serve their apprenticeships in Russia? Don't forget that during the cold war Russia designed a bomber that had difficulty getting off the ground when fully laden. They solved that problem by removing the lead plates that shielded the pilots from the radiation. Russians just have a different attitude on the value of life. There's a reason why they invented Russian Roulette. Or maybe their technology and maintenance of it is utter shite. The Ukrainians repaired the Russian broken tanks and used em against the feckas. Russian army is overrated, eve their spies are useless. " And yet European govts are shit scared of them...tells you all you need to know | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation. my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh Do your friends have good quality pictures of the damage to make such a determination? Did they serve their apprenticeships in Russia? Don't forget that during the cold war Russia designed a bomber that had difficulty getting off the ground when fully laden. They solved that problem by removing the lead plates that shielded the pilots from the radiation. Russians just have a different attitude on the value of life. There's a reason why they invented Russian Roulette. Or maybe their technology and maintenance of it is utter shite. The Ukrainians repaired the Russian broken tanks and used em against the feckas. Russian army is overrated, eve their spies are useless. " Even their military grade novichok nerve agent doesn't work allegedly. | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation. my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh Do your friends have good quality pictures of the damage to make such a determination? Did they serve their apprenticeships in Russia? Don't forget that during the cold war Russia designed a bomber that had difficulty getting off the ground when fully laden. They solved that problem by removing the lead plates that shielded the pilots from the radiation. Russians just have a different attitude on the value of life. There's a reason why they invented Russian Roulette." like i said, i'll go with their lifetime of experience in this field of engineering rather than the musings of a wiki warrior with zulch. | |||
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"so that's one thrid of russia's strategic bombers gone in a oner .... the shoulder of the fuselage was targeted so in terms of repairability, those planes aren't ever comming back. In the UK, a small fire on the wing root would destroy the plane. There's a risk that the heat would have affected the strength of the metal, and it would need to be disassembled for testing. Too expensive to be worth the effort for older planes. But this is Russia, where they have a different attitude to safety. They'll probably just give them each a clean, and send them up to see if anything falls off. Those drones were only small and couldn't have done much actual damage. But even if the harm is just to Russia's pride, that's an immense achievement by Ukraine, and a brilliantly conceived operation. my air-frame fitting friends who served apprenticeships in saints have reliably informed me that they're toast ... i trust their track record rather yours tbh Do your friends have good quality pictures of the damage to make such a determination? Did they serve their apprenticeships in Russia? Don't forget that during the cold war Russia designed a bomber that had difficulty getting off the ground when fully laden. They solved that problem by removing the lead plates that shielded the pilots from the radiation. Russians just have a different attitude on the value of life. There's a reason why they invented Russian Roulette. Or maybe their technology and maintenance of it is utter shite. The Ukrainians repaired the Russian broken tanks and used em against the feckas. Russian army is overrated, eve their spies are useless. " The Russian army has always been overrated. They were humiliated in WW1 which was the spark for the 1917 revolution. They got their arses well kicked in the winter war against a much weaker (on paper at least) Finland. Only sheer weight of numbers forced Finland to eventually concede. In 1941 the Germans tore them to pieces in operation Barbarossa. It was only after Stalingrad that the Russians started to slowly push back a much smaller army that was fighting on 2 and eventually 3 fronts. Again purely by weight of numbers, the Russian casualty's were horrendous. And that took them over 2 years. More recently they had to pull out of Afghanistan with their tails between their legs (then again so did we) And the "2 week special operation" in Ukriane didn't exactly go to plan. Add to that they have now lost a third of their strategic bombers in a single day. Nukes aside there is nothing to be scared of from the Russians. | |||
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"geographically speaking, it's gonna be very difficult for russia to attack the uk in any meaningful way." That would depend on your definition of "meaningful". In the modern world cyber attacks can be just as devastating as tanks rolling up the beaches. Their bombers (of which they thankfully now have fewer of) regularly probe Britain's air defences. How long before probe becomes attack? Their army may not be capable of invading us but they can still do a lot of damage. Besides, geography (in a political/military sense at least) can quickly change. | |||
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"geographically speaking, it's gonna be very difficult for russia to attack the uk in any meaningful way. That would depend on your definition of "meaningful". In the modern world cyber attacks can be just as devastating as tanks rolling up the beaches. Their bombers (of which they thankfully now have fewer of) regularly probe Britain's air defences. How long before probe becomes attack? Their army may not be capable of invading us but they can still do a lot of damage. Besides, geography (in a political/military sense at least) can quickly change. " the last 3 years says otherwise | |||
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"geographically speaking, it's gonna be very difficult for russia to attack the uk in any meaningful way." The next war will not be fought with manpower and guns, but with technology and the destruction of cybersystems. | |||
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"geographically speaking, it's gonna be very difficult for russia to attack the uk in any meaningful way. The next war will not be fought with manpower and guns, but with technology and the destruction of cybersystems." true enough but it hasn't resulted in resounding success for russia tbf | |||
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"geographically speaking, it's gonna be very difficult for russia to attack the uk in any meaningful way." I think we don't know a tenth of how much we are under attack on a day to day basis from people seeking to exploit for monetary gains or gather information etc but also foreign states and we are doing the same are constantly attempting to infiltrate infrastructure weaknesses etc.. Boots will always be needed to hold ground in any conflict but the means to destabilise a country have moved on since Zeppelins .. | |||
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"geographically speaking, it's gonna be very difficult for russia to attack the uk in any meaningful way. I think we don't know a tenth of how much we are under attack on a day to day basis from people seeking to exploit for monetary gains or gather information etc but also foreign states and we are doing the same are constantly attempting to infiltrate infrastructure weaknesses etc.. Boots will always be needed to hold ground in any conflict but the means to destabilise a country have moved on since Zeppelins .." If it's constant then it's proven to be very difficult, which is what I said | |||
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