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By *uffolkcouple-bi only OP   Couple
7 days ago

West Suffolk

It seems Starmer has said that he wants more pensioners getting winter fuel payments. What he hasn’t said is that it will actually happen or if it will, how many.

The Mrs read the headline and thought they were doing a U turn but upon reading the article, all he’s done is waffle.

He couldn’t answer the question “what is a woman”, now it seems he can’t answer the question “what is a winter fuel payment”.

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By *otlovefun42Couple
7 days ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

A planted question from a Labour backbencher to give him something to waffle about.

In the answer he used an awful lot of words to say absolutely fuck all.

In some future fiscal statement means maybe but not until the run up to the next GE.

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By *otMe66Man
7 days ago

Terra Firma

The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

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By *aughtystaffs60Couple
7 days ago

Staffordshire

All he is doing is rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. He is very good at that.

All he is offering is more means tested benefits. If you think they are the right thing to do you will vote labour.

If like me you've been on the wrong end of a flagship labour policy in the noughties where they overpaid you and then claimed it was your fault then knock yourself out.

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By *ichaeltontineMan
7 days ago

SWANSEA

Sadly he just wants to save money

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
7 days ago

nearby

Labour had a spanking at the local elections. This is all this is about. Weak as piss

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By *ecadentDeviantsCouple
7 days ago

Altrincham

This works out at less than a £1 per day.

All things considered, I’m sick of hearing the whining over this tbh though admittedly the optics of it didn’t look good for Labour. Stupid from an electoral point of view you have to say.

Serves them right for introducing it in the first place with fanfare though tbf. Just increase the pension instead by the same amount & do away with the vote winning BS.

Meanwhile, State Pension went up by 4.1% in April.

The Triple Lock is arguably more unaffordable than this sidetracked nonsense dressed up as a gift & they have kept that. So what’s the big problem really?

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By *hrill CollinsMan
7 days ago

The Outer Rim

Mel Stride getting destroyed on the news when asked about his WFA policy and couldn't answer apart from saying well, um, um , well, um..... hilarious

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By *otlovefun42Couple
7 days ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Mel Stride getting destroyed on the news when asked about his WFA policy and couldn't answer apart from saying well, um, um , well, um..... hilarious "

To use my mothers old expression.

The Tories at the moment don't know if they are having a shit or a haircut.

They don't really know who to attack.

Tradition, and as opposition, says they should be tearing into Labour. But Reform could well turn out to be the beneficiaries.

Talk about rocks and hard places.

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By *otMe66Man
7 days ago

Terra Firma

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By *otMe66Man
7 days ago

Terra Firma


"This works out at less than a £1 per day.

All things considered, I’m sick of hearing the whining over this tbh though admittedly the optics of it didn’t look good for Labour. Stupid from an electoral point of view you have to say.

Serves them right for introducing it in the first place with fanfare though tbf. Just increase the pension instead by the same amount & do away with the vote winning BS.

Meanwhile, State Pension went up by 4.1% in April.

The Triple Lock is arguably more unaffordable than this sidetracked nonsense dressed up as a gift & they have kept that. So what’s the big problem really?

"

The problem is knee-jerk decision making by Reeves and Starmer that has happened more than once.

They are now trying to tiptoe out of this after finally understanding that telling their MP's to stop complaining isn't working.

So lets consider the outcome, they have spent close to £1 billion so far on increased benefits, admin and changing the claim system. They have upset their core supporters and a lot of the back bench.

This knee-jerk decision was poorly thought out and is on course to end as a loss. It would have been far better to have done nothing at all, or to have applied some due diligence to understand the likely outcome.

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By *hrill CollinsMan
7 days ago

The Outer Rim


"Mel Stride getting destroyed on the news when asked about his WFA policy and couldn't answer apart from saying well, um, um , well, um..... hilarious

To use my mothers old expression.

The Tories at the moment don't know if they are having a shit or a haircut.

They don't really know who to attack.

Tradition, and as opposition, says they should be tearing into Labour. But Reform could well turn out to be the beneficiaries.

Talk about rocks and hard places."

as demonstrated by Bad Enoch today .... they just get worse as time goes on

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By *eroy1000Man
7 days ago

milton keynes


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300."

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking

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By *otMe66Man
6 days ago

Terra Firma


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking"

They expected to save 1.5 Billion a year, however the claims for pension credit put a hole in that. 117K have been awarded pension credit which also feeds into other benefits such as housing, council etc. Cut a long story short they have spent £1 billion, and the u-turn will now start to eat into the remaining 500 million a year.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
6 days ago

nearby


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking

They expected to save 1.5 Billion a year, however the claims for pension credit put a hole in that. 117K have been awarded pension credit which also feeds into other benefits such as housing, council etc. Cut a long story short they have spent £1 billion, and the u-turn will now start to eat into the remaining 500 million a year."

£1.5bn is six days interest cover on the national debt.

Beggars belief how shortsighted Labour were introducing such an anti electorate policy for such a trivial amount.

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By *otMe66Man
6 days ago

Terra Firma


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking

They expected to save 1.5 Billion a year, however the claims for pension credit put a hole in that. 117K have been awarded pension credit which also feeds into other benefits such as housing, council etc. Cut a long story short they have spent £1 billion, and the u-turn will now start to eat into the remaining 500 million a year.

£1.5bn is six days interest cover on the national debt.

Beggars belief how shortsighted Labour were introducing such an anti electorate policy for such a trivial amount. "

It was very poorly thought out, and that is how I would summarise the first 12 months of this government.

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
6 days ago

nearby


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking

They expected to save 1.5 Billion a year, however the claims for pension credit put a hole in that. 117K have been awarded pension credit which also feeds into other benefits such as housing, council etc. Cut a long story short they have spent £1 billion, and the u-turn will now start to eat into the remaining 500 million a year.

£1.5bn is six days interest cover on the national debt.

Beggars belief how shortsighted Labour were introducing such an anti electorate policy for such a trivial amount.

It was very poorly thought out, and that is how I would summarise the first 12 months of this government."

Knives will be out for Reeves who will be back for more taxes and Rayners new homes are not getting built. Not just the first 12 months they haven’t prepared or budgeted for anything in their manifesto.

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By *mateur100Man
6 days ago

nr faversham


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking

They expected to save 1.5 Billion a year, however the claims for pension credit put a hole in that. 117K have been awarded pension credit which also feeds into other benefits such as housing, council etc. Cut a long story short they have spent £1 billion, and the u-turn will now start to eat into the remaining 500 million a year.

£1.5bn is six days interest cover on the national debt.

Beggars belief how shortsighted Labour were introducing such an anti electorate policy for such a trivial amount.

It was very poorly thought out, and that is how I would summarise the first 12 months of this government.

Knives will be out for Reeves who will be back for more taxes and Rayners new homes are not getting built. Not just the first 12 months they haven’t prepared or budgeted for anything in their manifesto. "

Ready to hit the ground running???

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By *madeus999Man
6 days ago

Greater Manchester

So if Labour back track and pay a means tested Winter Fuel Allowance, does that mean the black hole that they harped on about is filled in?.

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By *otMe66Man
6 days ago

Terra Firma


"So if Labour back track and pay a means tested Winter Fuel Allowance, does that mean the black hole that they harped on about is filled in?. "

It might be in the Autumn if this becomes a reason to justify tax hikes on working people

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
6 days ago

nearby

£5bn this year on immigrants including £3bn on their housing

£50million Lammy gave to new Syrian Isis govt

£600k a day for 5000 empty hotel rooms waiting on small boat influx.

Lammy’s 360 mile taxi fares

Robbing farmers, pensioners and the disabled to pay for this

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By *uffolkcouple-bi only OP   Couple
6 days ago

West Suffolk


"So if Labour back track and pay a means tested Winter Fuel Allowance, does that mean the black hole that they harped on about is filled in?. "

Their own treasury report showed the £22billion didn’t exist. The figure was £9.5billions, which almost exactly what their doctors and train drivers pay settlement cost. Ironic eh?

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By *eroy1000Man
6 days ago

milton keynes


"The issue is the hard cut off, it always has been. Too many parroted the labour line that it was means tested, when in reality it was hardline cut off that 1p over the cutoff lost pension credit and WFA.

The fairest approach would be to scale the WFA gradually above the current threshold. For every pound earned over the cut off, reduce the allowance by one pound, tapering up to £300.

By the time you factor in all those that have applied successfully for pension credits to be entitled to the WFA that never used to bother and all the extra staff costs of processing these claims, will the initial projected savings still be accurate, especially now he is hinting at back tracking

They expected to save 1.5 Billion a year, however the claims for pension credit put a hole in that. 117K have been awarded pension credit which also feeds into other benefits such as housing, council etc. Cut a long story short they have spent £1 billion, and the u-turn will now start to eat into the remaining 500 million a year."

Such a small gain for so much political pain which might get worse if the small gain is wiped out and becomes a loss

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