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By *uffolkcouple-bi only OP   Couple
4 weeks ago

West Suffolk

I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund.

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By *ggdrasil66Man
4 weeks ago

Saltdean


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund. "

Surely that can’t be allowed to happen, I mean, really?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
4 weeks ago

in Lancashire

It's called the double contribution convention, we have it with 17 other countries whereby the person doesn't have to pay the same applicable 'tax/NI here' in both their home country and the one they are working in..

Never heard of it before now..

I know when we served in Germany we were exempt from paying into their system for medical etc..

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
4 weeks ago

Border of London


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund. "

That's unlikely. Several countries have schemes where non residents don't pay social security, such as Belgium. Interestingly, people who come to Belgium under these terms cannot count those years towards residency for the purpose of citizenship.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
4 weeks ago

in Lancashire


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund. "

They will have to pay, (probably the company per worker) a fee for NHS treatment of £1035 I read ..

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By *uddy laneMan
4 weeks ago

dudley


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund. "

That's a lot of NI contributions, I wonder how much that would be on a million pound a year salary.

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By *ggdrasil66Man
4 weeks ago

Saltdean

So, not only are they encouraging Indian immigration, they are giving them an unfair advantage in employment. No amount of explaining will change that as fact!

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
4 weeks ago

nearby

India is a major hub for call center operations, particularly for UK based companies; BT, British Gas, Barclays, Barclaycard, hsbc etc to name a handful.

Tens of thousands of uk jobs globalised to India for their cheaper wages.

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By *ellhungvweMan
4 weeks ago

Cheltenham

The UK has some of the most extensive double taxation agreements in the world - they are designed to ensure that you don’t pay tax twice when you work overseas. That seems reasonable to me and a good thing for UK citizens.

NI is _primarily_ designed to pay for state pension and unemployment benefit. The exemption applies to people who are on short term contracts and who therefore wouldn’t get a state pension or unemployment benefit anyway. Why pay for something you don’t get - this applies to UK citizens overseas as much as Indians here? It seems reasonable to exempt that.

We have just signed a trade agreement with a large economy which should add a decent chunk of change to both economies. When tariffs are going up all over the place then that seems a good thing for us.

Given all that, why would you focus on a time limited and reciprocal national insurance exemption that people would not get anyway and not focus on the benefit to trade?

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By *eroy1000Man
4 weeks ago

milton keynes

According to the BBC report the NI thing works both ways so includes Indian nationals relocating to the UK and also British nationals relocating to India. Perhaps the trump tariffs have focused the minds of the negotiators to get this over the line. Not sure if it's a full blown trade deal but have read that it includes services which are important

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund.

Surely that can’t be allowed to happen, I mean, really? "

It is incredible. I am working and pay tax and ni contributions as I also study

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago


"According to the BBC report the NI thing works both ways so includes Indian nationals relocating to the UK and also British nationals relocating to India. Perhaps the trump tariffs have focused the minds of the negotiators to get this over the line. Not sure if it's a full blown trade deal but have read that it includes services which are important "

Will British workers benefit by relocation to India?

Quick calculation in my head says no.

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By (user no longer on site)
4 weeks ago

I think this is a really bad Idea for the British workers.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Central


"I think this is a really bad Idea for the British workers.

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Which ones - the ones coming here, or leaving here?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Central


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund.

Surely that can’t be allowed to happen, I mean, really?

It is incredible. I am working and pay tax and ni contributions as I also study"

You live here, earn here and will have the benefits from your contributions

How is this incredible?

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By *0shadesOfFilthMan
4 weeks ago

nearby

Does the employer have to pay the now increased No contribution (even if the employee does not)?

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By *otlovefun42Couple
4 weeks ago

Costa Blanca Spain...


"Does the employer have to pay the now increased No contribution (even if the employee does not)? "

The exemption is for both employee and employer.

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By *uffelskloofMan
4 weeks ago

Walsall

Starmer signs trade deal.

India bombs Pakistan.

Labour’s voters won’t be happy. I wonder if the conflict will hit the British streets.

Starmer certainly has the Midas touch.

The trade deal looks like another opportunity to flood the UK with more immigrants, and lots of cheap prawns, clothes and shoes of dubious provenance.

Maybe we will now see calls for dodgy Indian prawns to be banned, and for the Hindu supremacist and nationalist aggressor Modi to be barred from entering the UK. Expect massive protests if he comes.

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By *eroy1000Man
4 weeks ago

milton keynes


"According to the BBC report the NI thing works both ways so includes Indian nationals relocating to the UK and also British nationals relocating to India. Perhaps the trump tariffs have focused the minds of the negotiators to get this over the line. Not sure if it's a full blown trade deal but have read that it includes services which are important

Will British workers benefit by relocation to India?

Quick calculation in my head says no."

The report only said how it works. Sounds like it is for those relocating temporary when the company they work for set up a facility in another country and staff are sent to support it. The place I work has facilities in other countries and some are sent there for 1 or 2 year assignments. They still get paid and taxed via the UK office. Hopefully more details of this deal will emerge so we can see if any good or not

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By *idnight RamblerMan
4 weeks ago

Pershore

Presumably the scheme is to allow Indian companies to set-up low cost manufacturing bases in the UK using cheap labour. It's hard to see a dual system of wages working well - it will fuel resentment (on both sides) and could be bring petty crime.

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
4 weeks ago

Border of London


"Presumably the scheme is to allow Indian companies to set-up low cost manufacturing bases in the UK using cheap labour. It's hard to see a dual system of wages working well - it will fuel resentment (on both sides) and could be bring petty crime."

Why petty crime?

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By *abioMan
4 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead


"I’ve seen an MP post on their social media that as part of the trade deal with India, Indians coming to live here won’t have to pay National Insurance for 3 years.

But I’m guessing they will enjoy all the benefits NI was designed to help fund.

Surely that can’t be allowed to happen, I mean, really? "

Actually the country of the president you slurp over is one of those countries .. let me explain

As a dual citizen of the uk and the us… if I earned over a certain amount (I don’t!) I would be liable for us federal tax on my uk earnings… basically double taxed on the same income

I have to fill out a us tax form declaring my income so I am exempt

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By *idnight RamblerMan
4 weeks ago

Pershore


"Presumably the scheme is to allow Indian companies to set-up low cost manufacturing bases in the UK using cheap labour. It's hard to see a dual system of wages working well - it will fuel resentment (on both sides) and could be bring petty crime.

Why petty crime?"

Because you'd have a cohort on Indian wages trying to live on UK costs. It's a recipe for criminality.

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By *otMe66Man
4 weeks ago

Terra Firma

It is a strange deal, one that seems underwhelming on paper.

I can see small advantages in cheaper clothing and some food items, and the reciprocal deal for Whisky and food stuffs presenting the same for India.

What is being glossed over is professional services from Indian companies and the impact it could have on UK services. I presume it will now be cheaper on the rate card to have onshore staff?

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By *resesse_MelioremCouple
4 weeks ago

Border of London


"Presumably the scheme is to allow Indian companies to set-up low cost manufacturing bases in the UK using cheap labour. It's hard to see a dual system of wages working well - it will fuel resentment (on both sides) and could be bring petty crime.

Why petty crime?

Because you'd have a cohort on Indian wages trying to live on UK costs. It's a recipe for criminality."

No... There are minimum wage requirements for visas, usually.

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By *2000ManMan
4 weeks ago

Worthing

Wonder if the system will be abused.

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By *ithintemptationsCouple
4 weeks ago

plymouth

hope our chicken dhansak,special fried rice,onion bahji,chicken madras,pillau rice,garlic nan,poppadoms,onion salad mango chutney, isnt effected friday nights

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By *ithintemptationsCouple
4 weeks ago

plymouth


"Wonder if the system will be abused."
every law,decision,political idea is built to be abused and manipulated.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
4 weeks ago

in Lancashire

Several Tory MPs and ex MPs are praising the deal as a good thing and part of why Brexit took place, indeed the shadow business secretary also praised it till jenrick and bad enoch piped up ..

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
4 weeks ago

Central


"Starmer signs trade deal.

India bombs Pakistan.

Labour’s voters won’t be happy. I wonder if the conflict will hit the British streets.

Starmer certainly has the Midas touch.

The trade deal looks like another opportunity to flood the UK with more immigrants, and lots of cheap prawns, clothes and shoes of dubious provenance.

Maybe we will now see calls for dodgy Indian prawns to be banned, and for the Hindu supremacist and nationalist aggressor Modi to be barred from entering the UK. Expect massive protests if he comes."

I don't see an immigration deal, only the standard reciprocal tax deal, that prevents temporary staff being taxed in 2 countries. This is the regular system, in use between dozens of countries

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