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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. " Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker." That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2? | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker." It is always the same no matter who is in government, immigrants and the poor are always to blame for all the ills, I don't get it, never will. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. It is always the same no matter who is in government, immigrants and the poor are always to blame for all the ills, I don't get it, never will." What do they get the blame for exactly? Is it all poor people and all immigrants? | |||
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"Enlighten us, what fuel increase? Have we missed something while being distracted by the local election results?" The RAC website says fuel prices fell by 2p on average in April so I'm a bit confused too... | |||
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"Sorry guys but just read the news and cant take no more of them thieving lying useless cunts... I've just read the fuel increase.. As I stated 3months ago and got slated by the labour voters on here... Bet your feeling pretty pissed off now as well.. And once again records being broken on how many immigrants are just sailing across the channel unchallenged... Fuck starmer and labour... We should all sign on and take the thieves down for good.. Keep taking our wages and what have they done with it bar just daily concoct more hairbrain scams to steal our wages... Theres a revolution happening and they will be taken down and kicked out... Bring back guy fawkes.. I went passed downing st the other day and never seen so many coppers just sitting there tossing it off... They know action by us tax payers is coming very soon Rant over but why the hell our we all letting this happen... They keep blaming the Tories but they were in charge before them.." Why the need to be so aggressive? | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits?" Your mum | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker." I don’t know how many billionaires everyone knows - I only know four. I appreciate it is only a small sample size but they are all what you would call “self made working class lads”. They all have the same council estate background (or the equivalent in their country). They all fly easyJet, carry their own luggage and you wouldn’t even look at them twice if you were standing next to them on the tube. I know because no one ever does. They are rich because they see things the rest of us don’t. If you took all their money and made them start again they would be richer than any of us within a year. That isn’t to glorify them - it’s just pointing out that they naturally make money in the same way that the rest of us don’t. They can’t help it. They are deal machines. This country isn’t a mess because of these guys. It a mess because the rest of us dont see the world like them. Joe’s biscuit story is kind of true but only because everyone gives the biscuits away too easily. Or don’t even realise that the biscuits exist until they have been handed out. | |||
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"Sorry guys but just read the news and cant take no more of them thieving lying useless cunts... I've just read the fuel increase.. As I stated 3months ago and got slated by the labour voters on here... Bet your feeling pretty pissed off now as well.. And once again records being broken on how many immigrants are just sailing across the channel unchallenged... Fuck starmer and labour... We should all sign on and take the thieves down for good.. Keep taking our wages and what have they done with it bar just daily concoct more hairbrain scams to steal our wages... Theres a revolution happening and they will be taken down and kicked out... Bring back guy fawkes.. I went passed downing st the other day and never seen so many coppers just sitting there tossing it off... They know action by us tax payers is coming very soon Rant over but why the hell our we all letting this happen... They keep blaming the Tories but they were in charge before them.." Indeed, this country is heading for some kind of revolution. That is why so many innocent protesters have been put in prison just for being there when things kicked off over the murder of those little girls. Because they know it will be much worse for them next time. The police, the courts, the prisons, were all showing what they can do. Of course the leftists will say nothing against them rounding people up and giving them exaggerated jail sentences. They were actual right wing so let em rot eh? Coppers narks! | |||
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"Sorry guys but just read the news and cant take no more of them thieving lying useless cunts... I've just read the fuel increase.. As I stated 3months ago and got slated by the labour voters on here... Bet your feeling pretty pissed off now as well.. And once again records being broken on how many immigrants are just sailing across the channel unchallenged... Fuck starmer and labour... We should all sign on and take the thieves down for good.. Keep taking our wages and what have they done with it bar just daily concoct more hairbrain scams to steal our wages... Theres a revolution happening and they will be taken down and kicked out... Bring back guy fawkes.. I went passed downing st the other day and never seen so many coppers just sitting there tossing it off... They know action by us tax payers is coming very soon Rant over but why the hell our we all letting this happen... They keep blaming the Tories but they were in charge before them.. Indeed, this country is heading for some kind of revolution. That is why so many innocent protesters have been put in prison just for being there when things kicked off over the murder of those little girls. Because they know it will be much worse for them next time. The police, the courts, the prisons, were all showing what they can do. Of course the leftists will say nothing against them rounding people up and giving them exaggerated jail sentences. They were actual right wing so let em rot eh? Coppers narks!" If they were found guilty in a court of law, they're not innocent. | |||
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"Sorry guys but just read the news and cant take no more of them thieving lying useless cunts... I've just read the fuel increase.. As I stated 3months ago and got slated by the labour voters on here... Bet your feeling pretty pissed off now as well.. And once again records being broken on how many immigrants are just sailing across the channel unchallenged... Fuck starmer and labour... We should all sign on and take the thieves down for good.. Keep taking our wages and what have they done with it bar just daily concoct more hairbrain scams to steal our wages... Theres a revolution happening and they will be taken down and kicked out... Bring back guy fawkes.. I went passed downing st the other day and never seen so many coppers just sitting there tossing it off... They know action by us tax payers is coming very soon Rant over but why the hell our we all letting this happen... They keep blaming the Tories but they were in charge before them.. Indeed, this country is heading for some kind of revolution. That is why so many innocent protesters have been put in prison just for being there when things kicked off over the murder of those little girls. Because they know it will be much worse for them next time. The police, the courts, the prisons, were all showing what they can do. Of course the leftists will say nothing against them rounding people up and giving them exaggerated jail sentences. They were actual right wing so let em rot eh? Coppers narks!" What about the Just stop oil protesters that are in prison? Are they right wing? | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. " Well said. I still can't believe that people are still falling for the it's the people on welfare or people fleeing war torn countries that are to blame for everything. | |||
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"Sorry guys but just read the news and cant take no more of them thieving lying useless cunts... I've just read the fuel increase.. As I stated 3months ago and got slated by the labour voters on here... Bet your feeling pretty pissed off now as well.. And once again records being broken on how many immigrants are just sailing across the channel unchallenged... Fuck starmer and labour... We should all sign on and take the thieves down for good.. Keep taking our wages and what have they done with it bar just daily concoct more hairbrain scams to steal our wages... Theres a revolution happening and they will be taken down and kicked out... Bring back guy fawkes.. I went passed downing st the other day and never seen so many coppers just sitting there tossing it off... They know action by us tax payers is coming very soon Rant over but why the hell our we all letting this happen... They keep blaming the Tories but they were in charge before them.. Indeed, this country is heading for some kind of revolution. That is why so many innocent protesters have been put in prison just for being there when things kicked off over the murder of those little girls. Because they know it will be much worse for them next time. The police, the courts, the prisons, were all showing what they can do. Of course the leftists will say nothing against them rounding people up and giving them exaggerated jail sentences. They were actual right wing so let em rot eh? Coppers narks! If they were found guilty in a court of law, they're not innocent. " Most of those before the courts pleaded guilty due to overwhelming video evidence from police body cameras, or evidence from their social media accounts. That is why some were sentenced within days. | |||
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"It’s actually scary that we’ve got another 4 years of this and there’s next to no legal way of preventing that. " Trump? I know. Terrifying. 😱 | |||
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"It’s actually scary that we’ve got another 4 years of this and there’s next to no legal way of preventing that. Trump? I know. Terrifying. 😱" I didn’t realise you were from US | |||
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"To all those labour voters whose once again cant read... Look at my new profile pic.. Regarding fuel... Jesus you muppets leave the adults to chat" Pic get removed because it broke the rules? | |||
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"To all those labour voters whose once again cant read... Look at my new profile pic.. Regarding fuel... Jesus you muppets leave the adults to chat" It's from GB News - I'm shocked. But have another read, OP. The charges are *down* from last year's... "Even vehicles with the highest emissions (225g/km or more) have seen charges reduced from £2,454 to £2,314 annually" | |||
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"All the same cunts in politics, we'll replace one bunch of useless twats with another, all they bring is doom and gloom it's the way of corporate life and that's all it is uk plc. ..." ...but their ambitious leaders are clever enough to dupe the gullible public into helping them achieve their ambition, to become PM. Once achieved, off they go, leaving the country full of mugs to wallow in deeper shit. It's about to happen yet again. When will the easily led masses ever learn? | |||
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"It’s actually scary that we’ve got another 4 years of this and there’s next to no legal way of preventing that. " Very little was as scary as how the biggest Charlatan in recent memory duped the whole nation with false rhetoric just so he could hold the top job for a little while, and then carry on living the comfortable lifestyle he was borne into... | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2?" The billionaires from years of taking more than their fair share of the profit from the workers who generated it through their labour and skill. Leading to further rent-seeking behaviours, wealth inequality, undue influence of government policy, tax avoidance, destruction of workers rights, collective bargaining, the welfare state and control of vital infrastructure to utilise as personal cash cows. With a little help from the government, tax breaks, subsidies during those hard times those poor billionaires experience, when they go cap in hand to the government threatening that they may have to shutdown leading to thousands of people losing their jobs. Until there's no assets left to sell for the government to try and keep the economy afloat and now here we are... And what's the story the same old crap from over a century ago when Robert Tressell wrote the great Money Trick... in Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - It's the immigrants and the lazy poor. How about if we are going to go back in time - instead we just pass a law appropriate those facilities let the billionaires fight over the one biscuit and the people actually need it can share the other 9. Oh no that would be so unfair to the billionaires. They were saving up to buy a developing countries government off so they can ravage their country for its resources and get some low cost child labour. And a nice PR campaign of course about how they are 'investing' and creating jobs . Poor billionaires their visionary leadership is so unappreciated. 
Praise the billionaires, they will part the red sea and lead us into the promised land. We don't need no government or labour laws or welfare state. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2? The billionaires from years of taking more than their fair share of the profit from the workers who generated it through their labour and skill. Leading to further rent-seeking behaviours, wealth inequality, undue influence of government policy, tax avoidance, destruction of workers rights, collective bargaining, the welfare state and control of vital infrastructure to utilise as personal cash cows. With a little help from the government, tax breaks, subsidies during those hard times those poor billionaires experience, when they go cap in hand to the government threatening that they may have to shutdown leading to thousands of people losing their jobs. Until there's no assets left to sell for the government to try and keep the economy afloat and now here we are... And what's the story the same old crap from over a century ago when Robert Tressell wrote the great Money Trick... in Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - It's the immigrants and the lazy poor. How about if we are going to go back in time - instead we just pass a law appropriate those facilities let the billionaires fight over the one biscuit and the people actually need it can share the other 9. Oh no that would be so unfair to the billionaires. They were saving up to buy a developing countries government off so they can ravage their country for its resources and get some low cost child labour. And a nice PR campaign of course about how they are 'investing' and creating jobs . Poor billionaires their visionary leadership is so unappreciated.
Praise the billionaires, they will part the red sea and lead us into the promised land. We don't need no government or labour laws or welfare state. "I would say this view is ideological.. How should the country be run / work in your opinion? | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker." In a nutshell ..it's exactly this ... | |||
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"I’m all for taxing the rich a bit more as a proper Labour government should be doing imho but the problems do not solely reside there even after 45 years of ‘trickle down economics’ (ha) UK tax gap, breakdown 2021/22: Small businesses: £14.3 billion Large businesses: £6.1 billion Criminals: £5.4 billion Medium businesses: £4.6 billion Individuals: £2.6 billion " Another £40bn can be found on the nhs budget treating self inflicted obesity, smoking and alcohol diseases and treatment for drug abuse Add cost of treating malnutrition from poorly regulated food supply Add £300million a day national debt interest on £2.8trn, the sum of decades of poor investments by red and blue. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2? The billionaires from years of taking more than their fair share of the profit from the workers who generated it through their labour and skill. Leading to further rent-seeking behaviours, wealth inequality, undue influence of government policy, tax avoidance, destruction of workers rights, collective bargaining, the welfare state and control of vital infrastructure to utilise as personal cash cows. With a little help from the government, tax breaks, subsidies during those hard times those poor billionaires experience, when they go cap in hand to the government threatening that they may have to shutdown leading to thousands of people losing their jobs. Until there's no assets left to sell for the government to try and keep the economy afloat and now here we are... And what's the story the same old crap from over a century ago when Robert Tressell wrote the great Money Trick... in Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - It's the immigrants and the lazy poor. How about if we are going to go back in time - instead we just pass a law appropriate those facilities let the billionaires fight over the one biscuit and the people actually need it can share the other 9. Oh no that would be so unfair to the billionaires. They were saving up to buy a developing countries government off so they can ravage their country for its resources and get some low cost child labour. And a nice PR campaign of course about how they are 'investing' and creating jobs . Poor billionaires their visionary leadership is so unappreciated.
Praise the billionaires, they will part the red sea and lead us into the promised land. We don't need no government or labour laws or welfare state.
I would say this view is ideological..
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"I’m all for taxing the rich a bit more as a proper Labour government should be doing imho but the problems do not solely reside there even after 45 years of ‘trickle down economics’ (ha) UK tax gap, breakdown 2021/22: Small businesses: £14.3 billion Large businesses: £6.1 billion Criminals: £5.4 billion Medium businesses: £4.6 billion Individuals: £2.6 billion Another £40bn can be found on the nhs budget treating self inflicted obesity, smoking and alcohol diseases and treatment for drug abuse Add cost of treating malnutrition from poorly regulated food supply Add £300million a day national debt interest on £2.8trn, the sum of decades of poor investments by red and blue. " In respect of the health budget, it’s complex. Obviously on the other side of that see saw, we bring tax in from tobacco & alcohol, so those people would argue in effect they are in effect subsidising their own NHS healthcare. Furthermore, are people who abuse their bodies dying younger more of a burden to the state than people who retire and live on for a couple of decades claiming state pension? Is it as cut & dried as you think? Agree on the debt interest though. Pure mismanagement by the political establishment. Only thing you could say in the UK’s ‘defence’ is it’s a situation that is far from unique to ourselves. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2? The billionaires from years of taking more than their fair share of the profit from the workers who generated it through their labour and skill. Leading to further rent-seeking behaviours, wealth inequality, undue influence of government policy, tax avoidance, destruction of workers rights, collective bargaining, the welfare state and control of vital infrastructure to utilise as personal cash cows. With a little help from the government, tax breaks, subsidies during those hard times those poor billionaires experience, when they go cap in hand to the government threatening that they may have to shutdown leading to thousands of people losing their jobs. Until there's no assets left to sell for the government to try and keep the economy afloat and now here we are... And what's the story the same old crap from over a century ago when Robert Tressell wrote the great Money Trick... in Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - It's the immigrants and the lazy poor. How about if we are going to go back in time - instead we just pass a law appropriate those facilities let the billionaires fight over the one biscuit and the people actually need it can share the other 9. Oh no that would be so unfair to the billionaires. They were saving up to buy a developing countries government off so they can ravage their country for its resources and get some low cost child labour. And a nice PR campaign of course about how they are 'investing' and creating jobs . Poor billionaires their visionary leadership is so unappreciated.
Praise the billionaires, they will part the red sea and lead us into the promised land. We don't need no government or labour laws or welfare state.
I would say this view is ideological..
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Put the billionaires against a wall..
"We need more billionaires not less. They are the people who build industry, commerce and trade which allows our nation to prosper. China was a communist basket case until Deng Xiao Ping realised he had to permit the creation of some billionaires, which he did. Look at China just a few decades later - knocking on the door of the US as the World's most vibrant economy. | |||
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"The rich are using their money to buy our resources including housing, they will continue to take our resources until there is nothing left for us. Then the government would need to widen the welfare state, whilst we make things for the rich to consume. Now the rich are the group that have spare cash and nothing to consume, so they look to other rich people and try and consume their resources. And they can do this because we let them." But what if more people got rich? Through hard work and endeavour for example. Would that help? | |||
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"The rich are using their money to buy our resources including housing, they will continue to take our resources until there is nothing left for us. Then the government would need to widen the welfare state, whilst we make things for the rich to consume. Now the rich are the group that have spare cash and nothing to consume, so they look to other rich people and try and consume their resources. And they can do this because we let them. But what if more people got rich? Through hard work and endeavour for example. Would that help?" As with migration there is not enough resources to go round, the rich need to pay their share, or they will have enough cash to buy resources we need. If we allow this to continue we will, well are the losers, and when it comes to the few now own it all. Then they will expect us to fight for them so we may have some resources to live for. | |||
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"Not much has changed in the uk for rich people over the last couple of hundred years but there’s been massive changes for workers and the poorest in society. I’m not saying any of the following is right or wrong, just that it’s the way it is…. Men used to have to work 45-50 hours a week for 52 weeks of the year to feed their family and put a roof over their head. Now they only work 37 hours a week for 48 weeks of the year. But both men and women need to work in most homes to keep afloat. Or perhaps they are subsidised by universal credit. Next to nobody was supported by the state, now half the population receives money from the state by either working for the state or being in receipt of benefits. Taxation was next to none existent until around 1800 when income tax was introduced to pay for the war against France. Now the tax burden is around 50%. Closer to 70% if you’re rich. Those with little or no money hated people who had money. That one certainly hasn’t changed, in fact I think it’s a lot worse. Back then people just tried to steal from the rich, now they vote in governments to do it for them. We are far from rich. Mrs works part time and Mr has just been made redundant. We don’t get any benefits because we have some savings. We could lie like hundreds of thousands do, hide the money etc, but we won’t. Everyone has the right to vote of course, but we are approaching the point where there’s more people withdrawing more from the system than paying into it. At that point the people who pay into the system to support those who don’t, will lose their say. I think it’s very sad when I read comments like “you should pay more tax” or “the rich should pay more tax”. But this is the future if nothing changes. Those receiving the money will outnumber those handing it over. So what policies will be popular then? Increase tax and increase spending. The problem with that, apart from the obvious, is government debt becomes more expensive. The government borrows money from pension funds, the super rich and other countries that have a cash surplus such as the oil producing countries. They do this in the form of bonds. You buy a bond for say £10,000 and the government get the money and pays you interest. The interest rate isn’t set by the government, it’s set by the markets on which these bonds are traded. Government borrowing since the start of lockdowns has increased by around a trillion quid. Much of that because of Covid. UK government bonds have historically been a good bet because the UK economy has been predictable. Yeah it goes up and down in the short term but over the longer term, the UK economy tends to grow. So we’ll always be able to pay the debt back if we ever had to. But the cost of that debt is rising and this creates a shortfall. If it’s likely to be a temporary shortfall, the government just borrows more to plug the gap. This is a bit like you putting your credit card in a cashpoint to withdraw cash to make your monthly credit card payment. Ok in the short term but it’s not a viable option in the long term. The more you tax the super rich the less money they have to invest. But they are billionaires, they can afford it, right? Yes of course they can. But if you have say one billion quid and you invest it and make 10 million, then lose 6 million of it in taxes you have 4 million. Still shit loads of cash, but these people don’t look at money like you and I, they constantly want to grow the one billion so they can make 15 million a year. I can’t remember the exact figures but I think it was 80% of the population has less than £1,000 in the bank just before payday. Most of those have next to nothing. But if that 6 million in tax increases to 7 million, two things happen. Some of those billionaires start to leave the country and there’s less investment capital available. That effect snowballs if unchecked and the burden to fill the gap can only fall in one place, the basic rate of income tax. Think of it like this, you and a thousand friends go for dinner and the bill is £1,000,000. Shit, you gotta pay £100 for your share. But the richest guys at the table suddenly club together and say they will pay 60% of the bill. Great, you only have to pay about £40 now. But the next time you all go for dinner the socialists come up with the idea of asking the rich guys to pay 70% of the bill, fuck they can afford it right? The richest guy guys have no choice as the socialists made that the law. Guess what happens the next time you go for dinner? Yep, not so many rich guys, they decided to go out with a different group of friends. So what’s the outcome? Your share of the bill is higher. That’s all well and good if everyone can pay their share, but everyone got used to the rich guys paying 60% so they spent the rest of their income on loans, credit cards and mortgages, new phone contracts etc etc. Far from a perfect analogy I know, but I think it’s a fair one. The moral of the story is be careful what you ask your rich friends for, cos they may not be friends for much longer. " You sound like a billionaire bootlicker, I don't know you and wouldn't be rude but that's how that post sounds. Barely any of it can be backed up by reality. | |||
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"Not much has changed in the uk for rich people over the last couple of hundred years but there’s been massive changes for workers and the poorest in society. I’m not saying any of the following is right or wrong, just that it’s the way it is…. Men used to have to work 45-50 hours a week for 52 weeks of the year to feed their family and put a roof over their head. Now they only work 37 hours a week for 48 weeks of the year. But both men and women need to work in most homes to keep afloat. Or perhaps they are subsidised by universal credit. Next to nobody was supported by the state, now half the population receives money from the state by either working for the state or being in receipt of benefits. Taxation was next to none existent until around 1800 when income tax was introduced to pay for the war against France. Now the tax burden is around 50%. Closer to 70% if you’re rich. Those with little or no money hated people who had money. That one certainly hasn’t changed, in fact I think it’s a lot worse. Back then people just tried to steal from the rich, now they vote in governments to do it for them. We are far from rich. Mrs works part time and Mr has just been made redundant. We don’t get any benefits because we have some savings. We could lie like hundreds of thousands do, hide the money etc, but we won’t. Everyone has the right to vote of course, but we are approaching the point where there’s more people withdrawing more from the system than paying into it. At that point the people who pay into the system to support those who don’t, will lose their say. I think it’s very sad when I read comments like “you should pay more tax” or “the rich should pay more tax”. But this is the future if nothing changes. Those receiving the money will outnumber those handing it over. So what policies will be popular then? Increase tax and increase spending. The problem with that, apart from the obvious, is government debt becomes more expensive. The government borrows money from pension funds, the super rich and other countries that have a cash surplus such as the oil producing countries. They do this in the form of bonds. You buy a bond for say £10,000 and the government get the money and pays you interest. The interest rate isn’t set by the government, it’s set by the markets on which these bonds are traded. Government borrowing since the start of lockdowns has increased by around a trillion quid. Much of that because of Covid. UK government bonds have historically been a good bet because the UK economy has been predictable. Yeah it goes up and down in the short term but over the longer term, the UK economy tends to grow. So we’ll always be able to pay the debt back if we ever had to. But the cost of that debt is rising and this creates a shortfall. If it’s likely to be a temporary shortfall, the government just borrows more to plug the gap. This is a bit like you putting your credit card in a cashpoint to withdraw cash to make your monthly credit card payment. Ok in the short term but it’s not a viable option in the long term. The more you tax the super rich the less money they have to invest. But they are billionaires, they can afford it, right? Yes of course they can. But if you have say one billion quid and you invest it and make 10 million, then lose 6 million of it in taxes you have 4 million. Still shit loads of cash, but these people don’t look at money like you and I, they constantly want to grow the one billion so they can make 15 million a year. I can’t remember the exact figures but I think it was 80% of the population has less than £1,000 in the bank just before payday. Most of those have next to nothing. But if that 6 million in tax increases to 7 million, two things happen. Some of those billionaires start to leave the country and there’s less investment capital available. That effect snowballs if unchecked and the burden to fill the gap can only fall in one place, the basic rate of income tax. Think of it like this, you and a thousand friends go for dinner and the bill is £1,000,000. Shit, you gotta pay £100 for your share. But the richest guys at the table suddenly club together and say they will pay 60% of the bill. Great, you only have to pay about £40 now. But the next time you all go for dinner the socialists come up with the idea of asking the rich guys to pay 70% of the bill, fuck they can afford it right? The richest guy guys have no choice as the socialists made that the law. Guess what happens the next time you go for dinner? Yep, not so many rich guys, they decided to go out with a different group of friends. So what’s the outcome? Your share of the bill is higher. That’s all well and good if everyone can pay their share, but everyone got used to the rich guys paying 60% so they spent the rest of their income on loans, credit cards and mortgages, new phone contracts etc etc. Far from a perfect analogy I know, but I think it’s a fair one. The moral of the story is be careful what you ask your rich friends for, cos they may not be friends for much longer. " When people ask tax the rich, the first thing that is said I am in envy because the rich have money that I do not have. The rich will leave the country so thing will be worst, imo that is rubbish they are here and things are getting worst the rich going elsewhere will not be an issue, as we would have access to the resources they would only take by inflated prices (pricing us out as with housing). As for the restaurant example again no the rich do not club together to support the poor far from it, business owners and large corporations do not pay enough of a wage to keep their workers afloat, so those workers claim welfare to top up their poor wages, so in other words the rich have found ways of making us pay for the poor wages they pay. As for investments that is bartering with resources our resources which when the rich obtain such resource they will either keep it, or sell it back to us at an inflated price.for gain not to support or help or pay higher wages it is for gain nothing else. | |||
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"11K millionaires will leave a hole in taxes. To put this into perspective, the amount of tax that will be missing is equal to approx 1.5million middle earner contributions. And they are leaving faster than ever..." a hole in which taxes exactly? how exactly did you arrive at that equating to 1.5 mil middle earners tax contributions being lost? | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2?" A lot of the time the government of the country that the facility is in. After the billionaire has pitched to several governments to see which one is willing to subsidise, the building of his facility, the most. Maybe also after offering the ministers in charge a few sweetners. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/corporate-welfare-a-93bn-handshake | |||
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" When people ask tax the rich, the first thing that is said I am in envy because the rich have money that I do not have. " That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. It's always someone else who should pay to fix the problems they care about " The rich will leave the country so thing will be worst, imo that is rubbish they are here and things are getting worst the rich going elsewhere will not be an issue, as we would have access to the resources they would only take by inflated prices (pricing us out as with housing). " This is outright wrong. Rich people have very little of their investments in houses or any resources to compete with people. Most of their wealth are invested into companies and that's good for people because more companies means more production and things being readily available for people. " As for the restaurant example again no the rich do not club together to support the poor far from it, business owners and large corporations do not pay enough of a wage to keep their workers afloat, so those workers claim welfare to top up their poor wages, so in other words the rich have found ways of making us pay for the poor wages they pay. " You are partially right on this one. But the solution is simply to cut the welfare. Wages are simply a matter of supply demand. The fact that people get welfare from the government artificially reduces the wages. If that's not the case, the market wages will adjust to pay people money they can live on. You then reduce taxes because you don't need to pay welfare benefits anymore and things will automatically normalise. | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota "But the millionaires are the ones that do contribute. Maybe a few billionaires don't, but these days anyone with a paid for house in the south east and a decent income/pension pot is a millionaire. Oh and don't forget the "greedy bankers" maybe when people realise that around a quarter of the UK tax take comes from the financial sector they may be viewed in a different light. If those guys up sticks and leave it will be one hell of a lot of "iota's" flushed down the pan. | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota "I could put it another way. If those 11,000 millionaires don't contribute then why would they want to leave because of higher taxes. Surely they would just stay put and carry on "not contributing". | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota
I could put it another way.
If those 11,000 millionaires don't contribute then why would they want to leave because of higher taxes.
Surely they would just stay put and carry on "not contributing"."if the 26 million living in the south are millionaires then 11000 is a miniscule amount and won't be noticed | |||
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" That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. " principally because there is absolutely no mechanism to volunteer to pay the HMRC anything at all above the tax that is due. and that's a fact kids | |||
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" That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. principally because there is absolutely no mechanism to volunteer to pay the HMRC anything at all above the tax that is due. and that's a fact kids" That's absolutely not a fact. It's outright wrong. HMRC allows you to volunteer overpayment of taxes. Last I checked, they got a massive £1500 in one year of voluntary overpayment. Even if all the armchair socialists on the internet contributed £100 each, the country would have received a lot of money. Apparently most of them prefer blaming the rich and moving on with their lives. | |||
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" That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. principally because there is absolutely no mechanism to volunteer to pay the HMRC anything at all above the tax that is due. and that's a fact kids That's absolutely not a fact. It's outright wrong. HMRC allows you to volunteer overpayment of taxes. Last I checked, they got a massive £1500 in one year of voluntary overpayment. Even if all the armchair socialists on the internet contributed £100 each, the country would have received a lot of money. Apparently most of them prefer blaming the rich and moving on with their lives." wrong ... the organisation patriotic millionaires uk famously wrote to the exchequer and asked that question 2 years ago .... the reply from the treasurey stated that there is no mechanism to pay more than is due but provided an email link to allow them to donate to the conservative party ... grasping bastards  | |||
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"That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes." "principally because there is absolutely no mechanism to volunteer to pay the HMRC anything at all above the tax that is due. and that's a fact kids" Here's the government's page of information on how to make a voluntary contribution: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government You can make a general donation to the government, or you can make a payment specifically to reduce the national debt. Let us know how much you intend to donate. | |||
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"Bring back honest Boris Johnston " Don't worry, Boris will get replaced by equally honest Nigel. As we have all been taught, 'Honesty is the best policy'... | |||
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" That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. principally because there is absolutely no mechanism to volunteer to pay the HMRC anything at all above the tax that is due. and that's a fact kids That's absolutely not a fact. It's outright wrong. HMRC allows you to volunteer overpayment of taxes. Last I checked, they got a massive £1500 in one year of voluntary overpayment. Even if all the armchair socialists on the internet contributed £100 each, the country would have received a lot of money. Apparently most of them prefer blaming the rich and moving on with their lives. wrong ... the organisation patriotic millionaires uk famously wrote to the exchequer and asked that question 2 years ago .... the reply from the treasurey stated that there is no mechanism to pay more than is due but provided an email link to allow them to donate to the conservative party ... grasping bastards "Patriotic millionaires asked to impose wealth tax on everyone. If they just wanted to donate their own money, they can do it as Mrdiscretion shared above. Now that I you have this information, I just can't wait to see how much money the government is going to receive from you | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota
I could put it another way.
If those 11,000 millionaires don't contribute then why would they want to leave because of higher taxes.
Surely they would just stay put and carry on "not contributing"."That is a good point. If your in a country that you are not paying tax to the point your not noticed, then you would not leave. I suspect the comment is aimed at those paying tax but by using various tax systems (totally legal) they seek to minimise the amount they pay. I would have thought though that even then the amount they pay on their earnings is significant compared to myself, who also tries to minimise the am out of tax I pay with an ISA etc. Also the amount of goods they buy will be greater and probably higher priced, all of which attracts more tax. | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota
I could put it another way.
If those 11,000 millionaires don't contribute then why would they want to leave because of higher taxes.
Surely they would just stay put and carry on "not contributing".
That is a good point. If your in a country that you are not paying tax to the point your not noticed, then you would not leave. I suspect the comment is aimed at those paying tax but by using various tax systems (totally legal) they seek to minimise the amount they pay. I would have thought though that even then the amount they pay on their earnings is significant compared to myself, who also tries to minimise the am out of tax I pay with an ISA etc. Also the amount of goods they buy will be greater and probably higher priced, all of which attracts more tax. "And the wealthy’s contribution is far greater than their own tax’s. One example is The Range which employs over 12,000 people, £200million in wages alone, and another £1bn back in the economy every year. Who could begrudge the owner now living in Monaco when he’s put so much into the uk economy. | |||
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"Think of it like this, you and a thousand friends go for dinner and the bill is £1,000,000. Shit, you gotta pay £100 for your share. But the richest guys at the table suddenly club together and say they will pay 60% of the bill. Great, you only have to pay about £40 now. But the next time you all go for dinner the socialists come up with the idea of asking the rich guys to pay 70% of the bill, fuck they can afford it right? The richest guy guys have no choice as the socialists made that the law. Guess what happens the next time you go for dinner? Yep, not so many rich guys, they decided to go out with a different group of friends. So what’s the outcome? Your share of the bill is higher." "As for the restaurant example again no the rich do not club together to support the poor far from it, business owners and large corporations do not pay enough of a wage to keep their workers afloat, so those workers claim welfare to top up their poor wages, so in other words the rich have found ways of making us pay for the poor wages they pay." This is just nonsense. The minimum wage for a full time worker is now just over £25,500. That's a great wage for a single person living in Wales. It's clearly not enough for someone with a non-working partner and 3 kids, living in London, but that's not the fault of the employer. | |||
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" When people ask tax the rich, the first thing that is said I am in envy because the rich have money that I do not have. That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. It's always someone else who should pay to fix the problems they care about The rich will leave the country so thing will be worst, imo that is rubbish they are here and things are getting worst the rich going elsewhere will not be an issue, as we would have access to the resources they would only take by inflated prices (pricing us out as with housing). This is outright wrong. Rich people have very little of their investments in houses or any resources to compete with people. Most of their wealth are invested into companies and that's good for people because more companies means more production and things being readily available for people. As for the restaurant example again no the rich do not club together to support the poor far from it, business owners and large corporations do not pay enough of a wage to keep their workers afloat, so those workers claim welfare to top up their poor wages, so in other words the rich have found ways of making us pay for the poor wages they pay. You are partially right on this one. But the solution is simply to cut the welfare. Wages are simply a matter of supply demand. The fact that people get welfare from the government artificially reduces the wages. If that's not the case, the market wages will adjust to pay people money they can live on. You then reduce taxes because you don't need to pay welfare benefits anymore and things will automatically normalise. " Idiots corner is just over there... | |||
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"Sorry guys but just read the news and cant take no more of them thieving lying useless cunts... I've just read the fuel increase.. As I stated 3months ago and got slated by the labour voters on here... Bet your feeling pretty pissed off now as well.. And once again records being broken on how many immigrants are just sailing across the channel unchallenged... Fuck starmer and labour... We should all sign on and take the thieves down for good.. Keep taking our wages and what have they done with it bar just daily concoct more hairbrain scams to steal our wages... Theres a revolution happening and they will be taken down and kicked out... Bring back guy fawkes.. I went passed downing st the other day and never seen so many coppers just sitting there tossing it off... They know action by us tax payers is coming very soon Rant over but why the hell our we all letting this happen... They keep blaming the Tories but they were in charge before them.. Why the need to be so aggressive?" He literally just told you why | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. I don’t know how many billionaires everyone knows - I only know four. I appreciate it is only a small sample size but they are all what you would call “self made working class lads”. They all have the same council estate background (or the equivalent in their country). They all fly easyJet, carry their own luggage and you wouldn’t even look at them twice if you were standing next to them on the tube. I know because no one ever does. They are rich because they see things the rest of us don’t. If you took all their money and made them start again they would be richer than any of us within a year. That isn’t to glorify them - it’s just pointing out that they naturally make money in the same way that the rest of us don’t. They can’t help it. They are deal machines. This country isn’t a mess because of these guys. It a mess because the rest of us dont see the world like them. Joe’s biscuit story is kind of true but only because everyone gives the biscuits away too easily. Or don’t even realise that the biscuits exist until they have been handed out." If art of a group of monkeys kept hoarding bananas whilst other monkeys of the same group were literally starving and struggling to find enough shelter or water, we would impriosn those monkeys and study them with experiments and psychological profiling for acting contrary to most known living things that organise themselves in a social structured way. These regressive examples of human evolution we call billionaires need to learn that we all do much better and advance as a species when we share and make everyones basic needs (food, shelter,healthcare,education) the bare minimum of what would be considered met. | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota
I could put it another way.
If those 11,000 millionaires don't contribute then why would they want to leave because of higher taxes.
Surely they would just stay put and carry on "not contributing".
That is a good point. If your in a country that you are not paying tax to the point your not noticed, then you would not leave. I suspect the comment is aimed at those paying tax but by using various tax systems (totally legal) they seek to minimise the amount they pay. I would have thought though that even then the amount they pay on their earnings is significant compared to myself, who also tries to minimise the am out of tax I pay with an ISA etc. Also the amount of goods they buy will be greater and probably higher priced, all of which attracts more tax. "That is exactly what the "tax the rich" mob just don't get. Or, more likely, don't want to. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. I don’t know how many billionaires everyone knows - I only know four. I appreciate it is only a small sample size but they are all what you would call “self made working class lads”. They all have the same council estate background (or the equivalent in their country). They all fly easyJet, carry their own luggage and you wouldn’t even look at them twice if you were standing next to them on the tube. I know because no one ever does. They are rich because they see things the rest of us don’t. If you took all their money and made them start again they would be richer than any of us within a year. That isn’t to glorify them - it’s just pointing out that they naturally make money in the same way that the rest of us don’t. They can’t help it. They are deal machines. This country isn’t a mess because of these guys. It a mess because the rest of us dont see the world like them. Joe’s biscuit story is kind of true but only because everyone gives the biscuits away too easily. Or don’t even realise that the biscuits exist until they have been handed out. If art of a group of monkeys kept hoarding bananas whilst other monkeys of the same group were literally starving and struggling to find enough shelter or water, we would impriosn those monkeys and study them with experiments and psychological profiling for acting contrary to most known living things that organise themselves in a social structured way. These regressive examples of human evolution we call billionaires need to learn that we all do much better and advance as a species when we share and make everyones basic needs (food, shelter,healthcare,education) the bare minimum of what would be considered met." The problem is that if you take all the “bananas” off the billionaires and redistribute them to everyone else, then the billionaires have no bananas, and it takes everyone else about three days to consume the bananas taken off the billionaires. So very quickly nobody has any bananas. Or alternatively, as in Labour’s Britain, the billionaires get wind of the raid and all run off somewhere else and take their bananas with them. Some billionaires of course in reality invented the bananas, through their ingenuity and toil. Now everyone is able to buy a banana if they want, whereas before no bananas were available. This does demonstrate however the basic problem of socialism and communism. Inability to do basic maths, failure to understand human nature, and allowing yourself to be driven by envy. Thus why Labour is failing and is doomed to fail. I imagine Reeves looks at the dismal economic figures and collapse in consumer and business confidence and has no idea why it’s happening. | |||
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"no point having 11000 millionaires who don't contribute ... they won't be missed one iota
I could put it another way.
If those 11,000 millionaires don't contribute then why would they want to leave because of higher taxes.
Surely they would just stay put and carry on "not contributing".
That is a good point. If your in a country that you are not paying tax to the point your not noticed, then you would not leave. I suspect the comment is aimed at those paying tax but by using various tax systems (totally legal) they seek to minimise the amount they pay. I would have thought though that even then the amount they pay on their earnings is significant compared to myself, who also tries to minimise the am out of tax I pay with an ISA etc. Also the amount of goods they buy will be greater and probably higher priced, all of which attracts more tax.
That is exactly what the "tax the rich" mob just don't get. Or, more likely, don't want to."I'm pretty sure they get it, they're just selective in their 'awareness' | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. I don’t know how many billionaires everyone knows - I only know four. I appreciate it is only a small sample size but they are all what you would call “self made working class lads”. They all have the same council estate background (or the equivalent in their country). They all fly easyJet, carry their own luggage and you wouldn’t even look at them twice if you were standing next to them on the tube. I know because no one ever does. They are rich because they see things the rest of us don’t. If you took all their money and made them start again they would be richer than any of us within a year. That isn’t to glorify them - it’s just pointing out that they naturally make money in the same way that the rest of us don’t. They can’t help it. They are deal machines. This country isn’t a mess because of these guys. It a mess because the rest of us dont see the world like them. Joe’s biscuit story is kind of true but only because everyone gives the biscuits away too easily. Or don’t even realise that the biscuits exist until they have been handed out. If art of a group of monkeys kept hoarding bananas whilst other monkeys of the same group were literally starving and struggling to find enough shelter or water, we would impriosn those monkeys and study them with experiments and psychological profiling for acting contrary to most known living things that organise themselves in a social structured way. These regressive examples of human evolution we call billionaires need to learn that we all do much better and advance as a species when we share and make everyones basic needs (food, shelter,healthcare,education) the bare minimum of what would be considered met." Your analogy is wrong. In nature too there is also hierarchy, whether there it is monkeys, lions, bees or ants. The bee queen for example gets the most resources. The strongest lion will get the most food in the pride, while the weakest may be malnutrition or even starve. But the difference is their ability to consume is limited physical capacity. In humans there is no limit to how much wealth one can accumulate. Only a decade ago it would have been hard to imagine one person being a trillionaire, now there is a strong possibility. The world's wealthiest 10% of adults hold roughly three-quarters (75%) of the world's total wealth. This leaves the remaining 90% of the population with a share of around 25%. Specifically, the top 10% own nearly three-quarters of the global wealth, while the bottom 50% own just about 1%. I wonder how many of those defending this wealth hoarding and calling it envy of the rich defend this outcome. | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit." I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? " Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair!" That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP…" Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". " Problem with the public sector rises is after years of low rises, pay was typically less than it was 15 years ago taking inflation into account etc. I’d say some of those people are cornerstones of a functioning society personally, and in contrast to well off pensioners, they probably need it more. | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". " Of course.
Not to mention the billions chucked away in foreign aid and supporting the Ukraine war.
Not forgetting the millions (probably billions by now) flushed down the pan housing, feeding and covering the legal fees of illegal migrants.
Not least the untold amount of money to cover Crackpot Ed's deranged net zero nonsense.
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". Problem with the public sector rises is after years of low rises, pay was typically less than it was 15 years ago taking inflation into account etc. I’d say some of those people are cornerstones of a functioning society personally, and in contrast to well off pensioners, they probably need it more. " The pay rises mentioned cost £15 billion in borrowing. The WFA cuts were meant to bring in £1.5 billion a year from those who had already paid in. Now here is the rub on this poorly thought out money grab, which is what it was.. The WFA changes increased the claims for pension credits by 152%, in just 8 weeks after the announcement, the government needed to employ a further 500 people to process the claims, but what does this actually mean? The increase in pension credits has now moved the goalposts even further! Housing benefit has increased along with council tax support and free prescriptions. If the claims reach 74%, the whole 1.5 billion has been swallowed up leaving a bill of £400 million a year for the tax payer to pick up. This government under has knee-jerked too many times, and every time it has cost us the tax payer billions for no return. | |||
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"In 2024 tax burden on those earning around 30k rose by around £100. For those earning around 100k, it rose in the region of £140. The burden is not shared equally. Capitalism has created an unbreachable wealth gap, with those at the top hoarding obscene wealth. Like Akala says, it's not the poverty its the inequality that drives you insane" The deductions for a person earning 100k are more than the 30K earned by your example. *Deductions for 30k a year Income Tax £3,486 National Insurance £2,666 Total Deductions £6,152 *Deductions 100K a year Income Tax: £27,432 National Insurance (NI) £7,586 Total Deductions £32,870 | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". Problem with the public sector rises is after years of low rises, pay was typically less than it was 15 years ago taking inflation into account etc. I’d say some of those people are cornerstones of a functioning society personally, and in contrast to well off pensioners, they probably need it more. " Pensioners who are on £11500 per annum are not well off, it’s bloody peanuts ffs! | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". Problem with the public sector rises is after years of low rises, pay was typically less than it was 15 years ago taking inflation into account etc. I’d say some of those people are cornerstones of a functioning society personally, and in contrast to well off pensioners, they probably need it more. The pay rises mentioned cost £15 billion in borrowing. The WFA cuts were meant to bring in £1.5 billion a year from those who had already paid in. Now here is the rub on this poorly thought out money grab, which is what it was.. The WFA changes increased the claims for pension credits by 152%, in just 8 weeks after the announcement, the government needed to employ a further 500 people to process the claims, but what does this actually mean? The increase in pension credits has now moved the goalposts even further! Housing benefit has increased along with council tax support and free prescriptions. If the claims reach 74%, the whole 1.5 billion has been swallowed up leaving a bill of £400 million a year for the tax payer to pick up. This government under has knee-jerked too many times, and every time it has cost us the tax payer billions for no return." I agree the whole debacle has been ill thought out. It’s arguable whether the WFA should have been brought in under Blair across the board in the first place. Smacks of buying grey votes to me. But then again, those were happier times fiscally, the public purse was in better shape. A better, more targeted policy was the introduction of Pension Credit. | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". Problem with the public sector rises is after years of low rises, pay was typically less than it was 15 years ago taking inflation into account etc. I’d say some of those people are cornerstones of a functioning society personally, and in contrast to well off pensioners, they probably need it more. Pensioners who are on £11500 per annum are not well off, it’s bloody peanuts ffs!" Yeah I agree, those just above the Pension Credit threshold are the most affected. | |||
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"This isn’t about billionaires, or even less rich rich people. The battle lines are drawn along lines of working and middle class people. There are many more of us, and our votes are just as valuable as theirs. Labour say they are deporting illegal immigrants, but mostly that is people who overstayed their visas. In other words soft targets, or what I have heard described as “low hanging fruit.” They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments. They will be means tested, but anyone if them getting more than £11500 will lose it, exactly who will be getting less than that? They say they are on the side of the disabled, yet they are going to reduce, or even remove their personal independence payments. They are supposed to be pro agriculture, yet their policies regarding farmers being hit with inheritance tax, means that farmers will not be able to leave their farms to their families. Some of those farms have been started and built by their families for hundreds of years. So yeah, Labour have started as they mean to go on. Those of us who don’t like them will not be changing their minds anytime soon, and a lot of those who elected them will wish they never bothered. They have such a majority, and they are riding the gravy train, nobody else would give them such lucrative yet cushy jobs. So the chances of getting any confidence votes are non existent. There is no safety net, they won’t be held to account until 2029. There smell coming from Westminster is resembling that of versailles, before the invention of toilets. By any other word, shit. I agree with some of this, but ‘They say they support veterans on VE Day, yet a great amount of pensioners are being hit by their withdrawal of winter fuel payments’ Why do people still go on about pensioners as though they were on the front lines when WW2 was going on? You would have to have been born in 1927 to be the minimum serving age of 18 in 1945. Which means you’ll be 98 years old now to have just fought in the last half year of the war. Not many of those left now surely? Maybe not many WW2 veterans left, but then there are those who liberated the Falkland Islands, or those who were made to take part in all the foreign conflicts started by the United States. There are thousands of veterans from a multitude of conflicts, from all over the world. Besides, why should those who get more than £11500 lose even more money? It’s just not fair! That’s where I disagree. I agree with the Winter Fuel Payment becoming means tested. The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it. Anyways, the triple pension lock has been maintained for now, even though that is quite possibly unaffordable going forwards as well. We’re £2.8 trillion in debt, nearly 100% of GDP… Where do you stand on the payouts labour gave to the junior doctors, train drivers and other public sector workers, if you as you say "The country simply hasn’t got the money to be handing out to people who do not need it". Problem with the public sector rises is after years of low rises, pay was typically less than it was 15 years ago taking inflation into account etc. I’d say some of those people are cornerstones of a functioning society personally, and in contrast to well off pensioners, they probably need it more. Pensioners who are on £11500 per annum are not well off, it’s bloody peanuts ffs!" Indeed and going just £1 over the limit means you loose the lot. Trouble is some people think if a pensioner is above the limit then they are well off and don't need the WFA. Also can you imagine the fall out if the Tories had implemented this. I believe they floated the idea ages ago and Labour studied it and came up with their own figures of what it would mean in reality to those affected. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. " Damn right. Better to have the populace distracted constantly squabbling amongst itself over petty issues than recognising that they're being constantly screwed over more and more as our societies turn us into little more than cogs, required to consume whats advertised to us but having little freedom to work outside this great big self destructive machine. Not even mentioning how the economic systems our species created and imagined to model the flow of resources within society has become so utterly focused on bigger and bigger imaginary numbers that don't exist outside of our shared collective consciousness, and have become so concentrated in a tiny minority of the global populace, and huge multinational conglomerates that are so big that they can get away with so much without any major consequences. Far better for the poor to fight amongst themselves over things like immigrants, race and "wokeness" than recognise the truth. If financial institutions become more focused on immaterial millions, billions or even trillions, the normal person's few thousand will mean less and be less valuable. That said, that's ignoring the fact that being in the first world often just puts you in the top 20% of the global populace in terms of wealth. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Damn right. Better to have the populace distracted constantly squabbling amongst itself over petty issues than recognising that they're being constantly screwed over more and more as our societies turn us into little more than cogs, required to consume whats advertised to us but having little freedom to work outside this great big self destructive machine. Not even mentioning how the economic systems our species created and imagined to model the flow of resources within society has become so utterly focused on bigger and bigger imaginary numbers that don't exist outside of our shared collective consciousness, and have become so concentrated in a tiny minority of the global populace, and huge multinational conglomerates that are so big that they can get away with so much without any major consequences. Far better for the poor to fight amongst themselves over things like immigrants, race and "wokeness" than recognise the truth. If financial institutions become more focused on immaterial millions, billions or even trillions, the normal person's few thousand will mean less and be less valuable. That said, that's ignoring the fact that being in the first world often just puts you in the top 20% of the global populace in terms of wealth." Do you have an alternative? | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Damn right. Better to have the populace distracted constantly squabbling amongst itself over petty issues than recognising that they're being constantly screwed over more and more as our societies turn us into little more than cogs, required to consume whats advertised to us but having little freedom to work outside this great big self destructive machine. Not even mentioning how the economic systems our species created and imagined to model the flow of resources within society has become so utterly focused on bigger and bigger imaginary numbers that don't exist outside of our shared collective consciousness, and have become so concentrated in a tiny minority of the global populace, and huge multinational conglomerates that are so big that they can get away with so much without any major consequences. Far better for the poor to fight amongst themselves over things like immigrants, race and "wokeness" than recognise the truth. If financial institutions become more focused on immaterial millions, billions or even trillions, the normal person's few thousand will mean less and be less valuable. That said, that's ignoring the fact that being in the first world often just puts you in the top 20% of the global populace in terms of wealth. Do you have an alternative? " I see little chance in us as a species averting a large scale societal collapse due to the trajectory we're on, especially when it comes to climate change and the utter power a tiny minority that prioritises their own interests over anything else have on our political system, but degrowth as a model is gaining more traction. Also, before you go on saying how they're so important to us, they are our biggest threat, regardless of current convenience or how necessary they are under the current economic system we have. There's been years and years of research published showing how they emit vastly more than "normal" people and with major calls to ban private jets and cut down on the incredibly unsustainable lifestyles they have, but that gets very little media traction especially with how the self serving political class is more interested in bringing out things about LED lightbulbs or pushing changes on mostly powerless workers instead of challenging a broken and suicidal status quo. We need to recognise that the current way our society is structured has no decent future, there is no situation where things work out "okay" and we need to take radical steps as a species to alter the way we do things if we want to continue to live in a world capable of sustaining agriculture, and with that, capable of sustaining complex civilisation. I see little hope it that happening, so in to see if this self destruction is simply what happens when intelligent life arises in the cosmos. https://phys.org/news/2025-05-world-wealthiest-contributed-thirds-global.html | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Damn right. Better to have the populace distracted constantly squabbling amongst itself over petty issues than recognising that they're being constantly screwed over more and more as our societies turn us into little more than cogs, required to consume whats advertised to us but having little freedom to work outside this great big self destructive machine. Not even mentioning how the economic systems our species created and imagined to model the flow of resources within society has become so utterly focused on bigger and bigger imaginary numbers that don't exist outside of our shared collective consciousness, and have become so concentrated in a tiny minority of the global populace, and huge multinational conglomerates that are so big that they can get away with so much without any major consequences. Far better for the poor to fight amongst themselves over things like immigrants, race and "wokeness" than recognise the truth. If financial institutions become more focused on immaterial millions, billions or even trillions, the normal person's few thousand will mean less and be less valuable. That said, that's ignoring the fact that being in the first world often just puts you in the top 20% of the global populace in terms of wealth. Do you have an alternative? I see little chance in us as a species averting a large scale societal collapse due to the trajectory we're on, especially when it comes to climate change and the utter power a tiny minority that prioritises their own interests over anything else have on our political system, but degrowth as a model is gaining more traction. Also, before you go on saying how they're so important to us, they are our biggest threat, regardless of current convenience or how necessary they are under the current economic system we have. There's been years and years of research published showing how they emit vastly more than "normal" people and with major calls to ban private jets and cut down on the incredibly unsustainable lifestyles they have, but that gets very little media traction especially with how the self serving political class is more interested in bringing out things about LED lightbulbs or pushing changes on mostly powerless workers instead of challenging a broken and suicidal status quo. We need to recognise that the current way our society is structured has no decent future, there is no situation where things work out "okay" and we need to take radical steps as a species to alter the way we do things if we want to continue to live in a world capable of sustaining agriculture, and with that, capable of sustaining complex civilisation. I see little hope it that happening, so in to see if this self destruction is simply what happens when intelligent life arises in the cosmos. https://phys.org/news/2025-05-world-wealthiest-contributed-thirds-global.html" I’m still not clear on what exactly you’re calling for. What I’m hearing and I could be wrong, sounds a lot like an equality outcome model on a global scale, where nobody has more or less than the other regardless of effort. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Damn right. Better to have the populace distracted constantly squabbling amongst itself over petty issues than recognising that they're being constantly screwed over more and more as our societies turn us into little more than cogs, required to consume whats advertised to us but having little freedom to work outside this great big self destructive machine. Not even mentioning how the economic systems our species created and imagined to model the flow of resources within society has become so utterly focused on bigger and bigger imaginary numbers that don't exist outside of our shared collective consciousness, and have become so concentrated in a tiny minority of the global populace, and huge multinational conglomerates that are so big that they can get away with so much without any major consequences. Far better for the poor to fight amongst themselves over things like immigrants, race and "wokeness" than recognise the truth. If financial institutions become more focused on immaterial millions, billions or even trillions, the normal person's few thousand will mean less and be less valuable. That said, that's ignoring the fact that being in the first world often just puts you in the top 20% of the global populace in terms of wealth. Do you have an alternative? I see little chance in us as a species averting a large scale societal collapse due to the trajectory we're on, especially when it comes to climate change and the utter power a tiny minority that prioritises their own interests over anything else have on our political system, but degrowth as a model is gaining more traction. Also, before you go on saying how they're so important to us, they are our biggest threat, regardless of current convenience or how necessary they are under the current economic system we have. There's been years and years of research published showing how they emit vastly more than "normal" people and with major calls to ban private jets and cut down on the incredibly unsustainable lifestyles they have, but that gets very little media traction especially with how the self serving political class is more interested in bringing out things about LED lightbulbs or pushing changes on mostly powerless workers instead of challenging a broken and suicidal status quo. We need to recognise that the current way our society is structured has no decent future, there is no situation where things work out "okay" and we need to take radical steps as a species to alter the way we do things if we want to continue to live in a world capable of sustaining agriculture, and with that, capable of sustaining complex civilisation. I see little hope it that happening, so in to see if this self destruction is simply what happens when intelligent life arises in the cosmos. https://phys.org/news/2025-05-world-wealthiest-contributed-thirds-global.html I’m still not clear on what exactly you’re calling for. What I’m hearing and I could be wrong, sounds a lot like an equality outcome model on a global scale, where nobody has more or less than the other regardless of effort. " Well it's about building our societies focused on satisfying necessities, not based on increased desires and growth where we're constantly marketed to to consume more and more goods we don't need just simply to keep this machine running for a while longer til the whole thing inevitably falls apart. Theres a nice quote from the climate scientist Kevin Anderson I quite like and really covers the existential necessity of breaking free of this absurd way of life we consider normal simply because we live in it currently and may get some nice conveniences. “There are now no non-radical futures* The choice is between immediate and profound social change or waiting a little longer for chaotic and violent social change. In 2023 the window for this choice is rapidly closing.” Degrowth and post growth economics are very interesting and do propose some real solutions without sacrificing quality of life, but unfortunately they run counter to then interests of a very powerful minority of the global population. Why should the vast majority of the worlds population suffer because that minority do not wish to relinquish their control and dominance of our societies? You may say they run counter to how things work in the real world, but human civilization is not the real world. It is a humancentric bubble we've created within it and is merely our attempts as a species to organise at a scale we never were before, where currently we're consuming vastly more than is any way feasible and so hooked on the naive delusion of eternal growth that we can't recognise how totally absurd it is, or how much carnage it's causing to the natural world or the exploited global south. I don't really see it happening though, and trying to take stock in the beauty of life all around us, and marvelling at the spectacle of being a self aware member of a species that was capable of so much, but seems doomed to cause it's own oblivion, as well as the oblivion of many other species that simply had the misfortune of sharing this ancient planet with a remarkable but conceited ape unable to grasp that the world didn't revolve around it or it's imaginary money. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Damn right. Better to have the populace distracted constantly squabbling amongst itself over petty issues than recognising that they're being constantly screwed over more and more as our societies turn us into little more than cogs, required to consume whats advertised to us but having little freedom to work outside this great big self destructive machine. Not even mentioning how the economic systems our species created and imagined to model the flow of resources within society has become so utterly focused on bigger and bigger imaginary numbers that don't exist outside of our shared collective consciousness, and have become so concentrated in a tiny minority of the global populace, and huge multinational conglomerates that are so big that they can get away with so much without any major consequences. Far better for the poor to fight amongst themselves over things like immigrants, race and "wokeness" than recognise the truth. If financial institutions become more focused on immaterial millions, billions or even trillions, the normal person's few thousand will mean less and be less valuable. That said, that's ignoring the fact that being in the first world often just puts you in the top 20% of the global populace in terms of wealth. Do you have an alternative? I see little chance in us as a species averting a large scale societal collapse due to the trajectory we're on, especially when it comes to climate change and the utter power a tiny minority that prioritises their own interests over anything else have on our political system, but degrowth as a model is gaining more traction. Also, before you go on saying how they're so important to us, they are our biggest threat, regardless of current convenience or how necessary they are under the current economic system we have. There's been years and years of research published showing how they emit vastly more than "normal" people and with major calls to ban private jets and cut down on the incredibly unsustainable lifestyles they have, but that gets very little media traction especially with how the self serving political class is more interested in bringing out things about LED lightbulbs or pushing changes on mostly powerless workers instead of challenging a broken and suicidal status quo. We need to recognise that the current way our society is structured has no decent future, there is no situation where things work out "okay" and we need to take radical steps as a species to alter the way we do things if we want to continue to live in a world capable of sustaining agriculture, and with that, capable of sustaining complex civilisation. I see little hope it that happening, so in to see if this self destruction is simply what happens when intelligent life arises in the cosmos. https://phys.org/news/2025-05-world-wealthiest-contributed-thirds-global.html I’m still not clear on what exactly you’re calling for. What I’m hearing and I could be wrong, sounds a lot like an equality outcome model on a global scale, where nobody has more or less than the other regardless of effort. " And read that link I posted from phys.org, a very reputable science news outlet. It details a paper published in Nature Climate Change on how the top 10% of the global population is responsible for 2/3 of the warming since 1990. Between the incredibly unsustainable lifestyles they often live, and where they often have their wealth invested, they have a much higher impact on the world than normal people of the first world, never mind the normal people in the developing and third world who are facing the worst early impacts of this accelerating disaster. This is not about being jealous. This is about recognising human society is on its way to another collapse, like how we've seen often through all of history, and that life on this planet is seeing the early stages of another mass extinction event, and one of the important factors is how much power and influence a rich minority of the global population has in controlling how our societies are structured and based, as well as other societies across the world that become little more than cheap producers and manufacturers. | |||
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"It's not the immigrants or people on benefits, you have all been brainwashed by the right wing press. It's the billionaires. The ones that have stol-en and continue to steal from the government. The ones who charge outlandish amounts to house the immigrants. Look up the food chain instead of down. Exactly this. There's a billionaire, a worker, an immigrant and 10 biscuits. The billionaire takes 9 while saying to the worker "That immigrant is trying to take your biscuit". And people fall for it hook, line, and sinker. That is a great story. Who provided the facilities to produce the biscuits, that paid the worker to make the biscuits? Is that part 2? The billionaires from years of taking more than their fair share of the profit from the workers who generated it through their labour and skill. Leading to further rent-seeking behaviours, wealth inequality, undue influence of government policy, tax avoidance, destruction of workers rights, collective bargaining, the welfare state and control of vital infrastructure to utilise as personal cash cows. With a little help from the government, tax breaks, subsidies during those hard times those poor billionaires experience, when they go cap in hand to the government threatening that they may have to shutdown leading to thousands of people losing their jobs. Until there's no assets left to sell for the government to try and keep the economy afloat and now here we are... And what's the story the same old crap from over a century ago when Robert Tressell wrote the great Money Trick... in Ragged Trousered Philanthropists - It's the immigrants and the lazy poor. How about if we are going to go back in time - instead we just pass a law appropriate those facilities let the billionaires fight over the one biscuit and the people actually need it can share the other 9. Oh no that would be so unfair to the billionaires. They were saving up to buy a developing countries government off so they can ravage their country for its resources and get some low cost child labour. And a nice PR campaign of course about how they are 'investing' and creating jobs . Poor billionaires their visionary leadership is so unappreciated.
Praise the billionaires, they will part the red sea and lead us into the promised land. We don't need no government or labour laws or welfare state.
I would say this view is ideological..
How should the country be run / work in your opinion?
Put the billionaires against a wall..
We need more billionaires not less. They are the people who build industry, commerce and trade which allows our nation to prosper. China was a communist basket case until Deng Xiao Ping realised he had to permit the creation of some billionaires, which he did. Look at China just a few decades later - knocking on the door of the US as the World's most vibrant economy."They can be rich, but they're fucked if they have an opinion. | |||
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"It’s actually scary that we’ve got another 4 years of this and there’s next to no legal way of preventing that. " There is a way actually, not easy, but individual Constituencies need to recall their MP, thereby triggering a by-election. Enough do it and the Government loses their majority | |||
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"That's true in most cases because I have never seen any left winger volunteer to pay more taxes. principally because there is absolutely no mechanism to volunteer to pay the HMRC anything at all above the tax that is due. and that's a fact kids Here's the government's page of information on how to make a voluntary contribution: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government You can make a general donation to the government, or you can make a payment specifically to reduce the national debt. Let us know how much you intend to donate. " thanks for posting the link that proves what i said, which is that there is absolutely NO mechanism for paying more tax to HMRC than is due. | |||
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"To me it seems Labour are slowly, yet steadily getting things done. Three trade deals in 2 weeks - that's more than the Tories signed in 14 years!!" I think what we are really seeing is Starmer stepping to the forefront while his ministers take a back seat. Reeves, Rayner, Miliband, Lammy and those he’s already had to remove, have been too noisy and divisive. Starmer knows this, especially around Rayner and Reeves. He needed a win before the summer recess and it looks like he has managed to gain support off the back of closer ties to the EU. I think that was a shrewd move, it pulls in those sitting on the fence that would like to see UK back in the EU and will take tory votes. Come autumn, the real picture of the nation’s economic health will start to come into sharp focus, and if as expected it is tanking, he will have his biggest challenge yet. | |||
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"To me it seems Labour are slowly, yet steadily getting things done. Three trade deals in 2 weeks - that's more than the Tories signed in 14 years!!" Up until 2021 the Tories or any other party in government were not allowed to do any trade deals due to membership of the EU. Between 2021 and leaving office in 2024 they done the original EU trade deal, the rehashed eu deal (windsor agreement), the Australian trade deal, the New Zealand trade deal, the cptpp trade deal/ membership, much of the Indian trade deal was negotiated during this time. At the same time they negotiated roll over trade deals to replace those that were originally arranged by the EU. | |||
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