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"The Football Association will ban transgender women playing women's football in England from next season. " They mean they are not going to break the law with impunity anymore. | |||
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"It just makes sense and doesn't discriminate against woman playing the sport, Mrs x" Every sport should follow suit | |||
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"So, the FA have banned men from playing football with women. How the hell did it ever get to having the need for this to happen? Excellent news, however. "The mind boggles doesn’t it  | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow." Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women " Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight?" You obviously don’t know much about darts | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight?" That's not the point though is it | |||
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"They had no choice. If a woman player had gotten injured by a Trans player following the Supreme Court ruling, the FA were wide open to litigation." Nonsense. The recent Supreme Court decision only applies to the interpretation of the Equalities Act. It has no force on any other area of law, or on sporting clubs' right to choose their own rules. Sensible decision by the FA though. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight?" Maybe do some research before making yourself look silly…. Men are better at darts than women by about 10 to 15 point averages per 3 darts. Not just at the very top level such Beau and the two Luke’s, but across all levels. This is an indisputable fact, born out by statistics and averages. It’s the whole reason why there is a separate women’s tour and women’s competitions. The reasons why women can’t play to the same standard as men are not immediately obvious and on the face of it, there shouldn’t be a physical difference, but there is and science has proven why…. 1. Men naturally have superior hand to eye coordination. 2. Darts involves multitasking. And despite all the jokes and what you may or may not believe, across the board men have been scientifically proven to be very slightly better at that than women. 3. Also estrogen has been proven to reduce a persons ability to multitask, so even women who are very good multitaskers, become less good at it during ovulation and menstruation. Last I heard, m2f trans don’t ovulate or menstruate. 4. Men are better at building muscle memory than women. 5. Very few women don’t suffer from any form of physical and/or emotional effects of menstruation. A m2f trans will never have this issue. Gender reassignment surgery does not involve installing ovaries or a uterus. 6. M2f trans are allowed to have a 5 times higher level of testosterone compared to women. A hormone that is proven to enhance sporting performance, even in non physical sports. Those born female are banned from taking it as a supplement. I wonder why? No matter what any m2f trans does or has done to their body, the changes are cosmetic. The body is being surgically and hormonally altered to appear female but they are still male and the Supreme Court has ruled on it. They have a prostate. The most well know trans darts player NVL, still has his cock and balls. So he is still making male quantities of testosterone 24/7 All transgender people can identify as, live their lives as and call themselves whatever they wish. On the whole nobody cares either way. But they are still fundamentally the sex they were assigned in the womb and in the light of scientific evidence showing men have an unfair biological advantage and the Supreme Court ruling, m2f trans shouldn’t be allowed to play in female only tournaments. Nobody is saying they can’t compete, just play with the other people who aren’t female or in open tournaments. The WDF agrees and m2f trans will not be allowed to play in their female only events going forward. The PDC have announced they won’t be making any changes | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight?" You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? Maybe do some research before making yourself look silly…. Men are better at darts than women by about 10 to 15 point averages per 3 darts. Not just at the very top level such Beau and the two Luke’s, but across all levels. This is an indisputable fact, born out by statistics and averages. It’s the whole reason why there is a separate women’s tour and women’s competitions. The reasons why women can’t play to the same standard as men are not immediately obvious and on the face of it, there shouldn’t be a physical difference, but there is and science has proven why…. 1. Men naturally have superior hand to eye coordination. 2. Darts involves multitasking. And despite all the jokes and what you may or may not believe, across the board men have been scientifically proven to be very slightly better at that than women. 3. Also estrogen has been proven to reduce a persons ability to multitask, so even women who are very good multitaskers, become less good at it during ovulation and menstruation. Last I heard, m2f trans don’t ovulate or menstruate. 4. Men are better at building muscle memory than women. 5. Very few women don’t suffer from any form of physical and/or emotional effects of menstruation. A m2f trans will never have this issue. Gender reassignment surgery does not involve installing ovaries or a uterus. 6. M2f trans are allowed to have a 5 times higher level of testosterone compared to women. A hormone that is proven to enhance sporting performance, even in non physical sports. Those born female are banned from taking it as a supplement. I wonder why? No matter what any m2f trans does or has done to their body, the changes are cosmetic. The body is being surgically and hormonally altered to appear female but they are still male and the Supreme Court has ruled on it. They have a prostate. The most well know trans darts player NVL, still has his cock and balls. So he is still making male quantities of testosterone 24/7 All transgender people can identify as, live their lives as and call themselves whatever they wish. On the whole nobody cares either way. But they are still fundamentally the sex they were assigned in the womb and in the light of scientific evidence showing men have an unfair biological advantage and the Supreme Court ruling, m2f trans shouldn’t be allowed to play in female only tournaments. Nobody is saying they can’t compete, just play with the other people who aren’t female or in open tournaments. The WDF agrees and m2f trans will not be allowed to play in their female only events going forward. The PDC have announced they won’t be making any changes " So a M2F trans person taking hormones won't affect their ability because "being a man" overrides that? You said so yourself in point 3 about estrogen having an effect on multitasking so surely these trans athletes are giving themselves more of a disadvantage if anything. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men "They're not though, are they? | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?"Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?"A woman is a biological female a trans woman is biologically male regardless of what treatment they are having | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? Maybe do some research before making yourself look silly…. Men are better at darts than women by about 10 to 15 point averages per 3 darts. Not just at the very top level such Beau and the two Luke’s, but across all levels. This is an indisputable fact, born out by statistics and averages. It’s the whole reason why there is a separate women’s tour and women’s competitions. The reasons why women can’t play to the same standard as men are not immediately obvious and on the face of it, there shouldn’t be a physical difference, but there is and science has proven why…. 1. Men naturally have superior hand to eye coordination. 2. Darts involves multitasking. And despite all the jokes and what you may or may not believe, across the board men have been scientifically proven to be very slightly better at that than women. 3. Also estrogen has been proven to reduce a persons ability to multitask, so even women who are very good multitaskers, become less good at it during ovulation and menstruation. Last I heard, m2f trans don’t ovulate or menstruate. 4. Men are better at building muscle memory than women. 5. Very few women don’t suffer from any form of physical and/or emotional effects of menstruation. A m2f trans will never have this issue. Gender reassignment surgery does not involve installing ovaries or a uterus. 6. M2f trans are allowed to have a 5 times higher level of testosterone compared to women. A hormone that is proven to enhance sporting performance, even in non physical sports. Those born female are banned from taking it as a supplement. I wonder why? No matter what any m2f trans does or has done to their body, the changes are cosmetic. The body is being surgically and hormonally altered to appear female but they are still male and the Supreme Court has ruled on it. They have a prostate. The most well know trans darts player NVL, still has his cock and balls. So he is still making male quantities of testosterone 24/7 All transgender people can identify as, live their lives as and call themselves whatever they wish. On the whole nobody cares either way. But they are still fundamentally the sex they were assigned in the womb and in the light of scientific evidence showing men have an unfair biological advantage and the Supreme Court ruling, m2f trans shouldn’t be allowed to play in female only tournaments. Nobody is saying they can’t compete, just play with the other people who aren’t female or in open tournaments. The WDF agrees and m2f trans will not be allowed to play in their female only events going forward. The PDC have announced they won’t be making any changes So a M2F trans person taking hormones won't affect their ability because "being a man" overrides that? You said so yourself in point 3 about estrogen having an effect on multitasking so surely these trans athletes are giving themselves more of a disadvantage if anything." I’ll say 3 things…. 1. The trans can stop taking oestrogen before a bit tournament, the woman can’t. Your counter argument would be that they probably wouldn’t and you might be right, I might be right, but the women can’t that’s for sure. 2. You ignored all the other points I made so I assume you agree? 3. The trans can increase testosterone levels before a big tournament, woman are banned from taking testosterone supplements. That’s one of the many differences between men and women. That’s why there’s separation | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men."There are trans women that you would have have no idea used to be a man. Does your common sense still spot that? And when it comes to biology, if they are transitioning and taking hormones, then they're essentially going further and further away from what a man is. Oh and by law is a great argument because those can never be changed 🙄 | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? Maybe do some research before making yourself look silly…. Men are better at darts than women by about 10 to 15 point averages per 3 darts. Not just at the very top level such Beau and the two Luke’s, but across all levels. This is an indisputable fact, born out by statistics and averages. It’s the whole reason why there is a separate women’s tour and women’s competitions. The reasons why women can’t play to the same standard as men are not immediately obvious and on the face of it, there shouldn’t be a physical difference, but there is and science has proven why…. 1. Men naturally have superior hand to eye coordination. 2. Darts involves multitasking. And despite all the jokes and what you may or may not believe, across the board men have been scientifically proven to be very slightly better at that than women. 3. Also estrogen has been proven to reduce a persons ability to multitask, so even women who are very good multitaskers, become less good at it during ovulation and menstruation. Last I heard, m2f trans don’t ovulate or menstruate. 4. Men are better at building muscle memory than women. 5. Very few women don’t suffer from any form of physical and/or emotional effects of menstruation. A m2f trans will never have this issue. Gender reassignment surgery does not involve installing ovaries or a uterus. 6. M2f trans are allowed to have a 5 times higher level of testosterone compared to women. A hormone that is proven to enhance sporting performance, even in non physical sports. Those born female are banned from taking it as a supplement. I wonder why? No matter what any m2f trans does or has done to their body, the changes are cosmetic. The body is being surgically and hormonally altered to appear female but they are still male and the Supreme Court has ruled on it. They have a prostate. The most well know trans darts player NVL, still has his cock and balls. So he is still making male quantities of testosterone 24/7 All transgender people can identify as, live their lives as and call themselves whatever they wish. On the whole nobody cares either way. But they are still fundamentally the sex they were assigned in the womb and in the light of scientific evidence showing men have an unfair biological advantage and the Supreme Court ruling, m2f trans shouldn’t be allowed to play in female only tournaments. Nobody is saying they can’t compete, just play with the other people who aren’t female or in open tournaments. The WDF agrees and m2f trans will not be allowed to play in their female only events going forward. The PDC have announced they won’t be making any changes So a M2F trans person taking hormones won't affect their ability because "being a man" overrides that? You said so yourself in point 3 about estrogen having an effect on multitasking so surely these trans athletes are giving themselves more of a disadvantage if anything. I’ll say 3 things…. 1. The trans can stop taking oestrogen before a bit tournament, the woman can’t. Your counter argument would be that they probably wouldn’t and you might be right, I might be right, but the women can’t that’s for sure. 2. You ignored all the other points I made so I assume you agree? 3. The trans can increase testosterone levels before a big tournament, woman are banned from taking testosterone supplements. That’s one of the many differences between men and women. That’s why there’s separation " Your argument is only as strong as your weakest point and I wasn't replying to every single point because... I'll be honest, I can't be arsed. Also, isn't that what a testing pool is for? So they can be monitored and ensure they are eligible to play their sport? 🤔 | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.
There are trans women that you would have have no idea used to be a man. Does your common sense still spot that? And when it comes to biology, if they are transitioning and taking hormones, then they're essentially going further and further away from what a man is. Oh and by law is a great argument because those can never be changed 🙄"Why does it matter if I have no idea they used to be a man? Although I would be fairly certain, especially when I see them walk. The hip arrangement and subsequent gait can never be altered. And taking dr*gs, having bits chopped off and bits being stuck on doesn't make them a woman, as defined in law. Yes, laws can change, but for now, a trans "woman" is a man and that's that | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.
There are trans women that you would have have no idea used to be a man. Does your common sense still spot that? And when it comes to biology, if they are transitioning and taking hormones, then they're essentially going further and further away from what a man is. Oh and by law is a great argument because those can never be changed 🙄
Why does it matter if I have no idea they used to be a man? Although I would be fairly certain, especially when I see them walk. The hip arrangement and subsequent gait can never be altered. And taking dr*gs, having bits chopped off and bits being stuck on doesn't make them a woman, as defined in law. Yes, laws can change, but for now, a trans "woman" is a man and that's that "Ahhh you're the "I can always tell" brigade. I think that says enough about what a discussion on the subject with you is like. Oh and just because something is a law, doesn't mean it's right and shouldn't be scrutinised, otherwise gay people would still be chemically castrated. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.
There are trans women that you would have have no idea used to be a man. Does your common sense still spot that? And when it comes to biology, if they are transitioning and taking hormones, then they're essentially going further and further away from what a man is. Oh and by law is a great argument because those can never be changed 🙄
Why does it matter if I have no idea they used to be a man? Although I would be fairly certain, especially when I see them walk. The hip arrangement and subsequent gait can never be altered. And taking dr*gs, having bits chopped off and bits being stuck on doesn't make them a woman, as defined in law. Yes, laws can change, but for now, a trans "woman" is a man and that's that
Ahhh you're the "I can always tell" brigade. I think that says enough about what a discussion on the subject with you is like. Oh and just because something is a law, doesn't mean it's right and shouldn't be scrutinised, otherwise gay people would still be chemically castrated."You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as to whether "I" can tell or not. It makes no difference to me whatsoever if I can tell or not. I happen to actually like women (you know, the real kind) and don't want to see them fall foul of the thinly-disguised misogyny of men who think they are women, and their supporters, who also think they have a right to intimidate women, and violate their safe spaces in the ways trans-activists have been getting away with for far too long. You seem to be one of these, so I'm going to leave you to it and you can read the ruling again and wring your hands piteously. | |||
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" You seem to have a bee in your bonnet as to whether "I" can tell or not. It makes no difference to me whatsoever if I can tell or not. I happen to actually like women (you know, the real kind) and don't want to see them fall foul of the thinly-disguised misogyny of men who think they are women, and their supporters, who also think they have a right to intimidate women, and violate their safe spaces in the ways trans-activists have been getting away with for far too long. You seem to be one of these, so I'm going to leave you to it and you can read the ruling again and wring your hands piteously. " So you think a few instances are representative of an entire demographic of people? Men who beat the shit out of their wives when England lose a football match is a case of violating their safe space, but sure, trans-women who just want to feel accepted in society are the real problem so well done for calling that out you absolute hero. | |||
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"They had no choice. If a woman player had gotten injured by a Trans player following the Supreme Court ruling, the FA were wide open to litigation. Nonsense. The recent Supreme Court decision only applies to the interpretation of the Equalities Act. It has no force on any other area of law, or on sporting clubs' right to choose their own rules. Sensible decision by the FA though." It's widely accepted that the judgment has implications for many organisations, sports and otherwise, and they are therefore wisely revising their policies. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? Maybe do some research before making yourself look silly…. Men are better at darts than women by about 10 to 15 point averages per 3 darts. Not just at the very top level such Beau and the two Luke’s, but across all levels. This is an indisputable fact, born out by statistics and averages. It’s the whole reason why there is a separate women’s tour and women’s competitions. The reasons why women can’t play to the same standard as men are not immediately obvious and on the face of it, there shouldn’t be a physical difference, but there is and science has proven why…. 1. Men naturally have superior hand to eye coordination. 2. Darts involves multitasking. And despite all the jokes and what you may or may not believe, across the board men have been scientifically proven to be very slightly better at that than women. 3. Also estrogen has been proven to reduce a persons ability to multitask, so even women who are very good multitaskers, become less good at it during ovulation and menstruation. Last I heard, m2f trans don’t ovulate or menstruate. 4. Men are better at building muscle memory than women. 5. Very few women don’t suffer from any form of physical and/or emotional effects of menstruation. A m2f trans will never have this issue. Gender reassignment surgery does not involve installing ovaries or a uterus. 6. M2f trans are allowed to have a 5 times higher level of testosterone compared to women. A hormone that is proven to enhance sporting performance, even in non physical sports. Those born female are banned from taking it as a supplement. I wonder why? No matter what any m2f trans does or has done to their body, the changes are cosmetic. The body is being surgically and hormonally altered to appear female but they are still male and the Supreme Court has ruled on it. They have a prostate. The most well know trans darts player NVL, still has his cock and balls. So he is still making male quantities of testosterone 24/7 All transgender people can identify as, live their lives as and call themselves whatever they wish. On the whole nobody cares either way. But they are still fundamentally the sex they were assigned in the womb and in the light of scientific evidence showing men have an unfair biological advantage and the Supreme Court ruling, m2f trans shouldn’t be allowed to play in female only tournaments. Nobody is saying they can’t compete, just play with the other people who aren’t female or in open tournaments. The WDF agrees and m2f trans will not be allowed to play in their female only events going forward. The PDC have announced they won’t be making any changes So a M2F trans person taking hormones won't affect their ability because "being a man" overrides that? You said so yourself in point 3 about estrogen having an effect on multitasking so surely these trans athletes are giving themselves more of a disadvantage if anything. I’ll say 3 things…. 1. The trans can stop taking oestrogen before a bit tournament, the woman can’t. Your counter argument would be that they probably wouldn’t and you might be right, I might be right, but the women can’t that’s for sure. 2. You ignored all the other points I made so I assume you agree? 3. The trans can increase testosterone levels before a big tournament, woman are banned from taking testosterone supplements. That’s one of the many differences between men and women. That’s why there’s separation Your argument is only as strong as your weakest point and I wasn't replying to every single point because... I'll be honest, I can't be arsed. Also, isn't that what a testing pool is for? So they can be monitored and ensure they are eligible to play their sport? 🤔" Who terms darts as a sport, it's a pub pastime like dominoes lol | |||
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"I look forward to trans men being welcomed with open arms by the women's FA and all the other sporting bodies that are set to follow suit." If unmedicated, this would be logical. However, with medication, wouldn't they be considered to be doping for a competitive advantage? | |||
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"They had no choice. If a woman player had gotten injured by a Trans player following the Supreme Court ruling, the FA were wide open to litigation. Nonsense. The recent Supreme Court decision only applies to the interpretation of the Equalities Act. It has no force on any other area of law, or on sporting clubs' right to choose their own rules. Sensible decision by the FA though. It's widely accepted that the judgment has implications for many organisations, sports and otherwise, and they are therefore wisely revising their policies." The definition, even if just for a certain piece of legislation, will be followed by most bodies were there's an element of sex involved. This is because it's a judgement from the Supreme Court and whilst it may not binding precedent, it is almost certai ly persuasive president and will probably be followed by all organisations in such instances. It's a judgement from the highest court in the land, it states what a woman is and this will ergo define a man along the same lines. The Supreme Court won't have to make similar definitions for every piece of legislation co training the phrases 'woman' or 'man', lawyers will simply point to the definition given under the EA 2010. The only time this will possibly change is on apply to a higher court. But for now it should apply to all UK law mentioning the sex of someone. Mrs x | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow." All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years " I was talking about women’s only teams like women’s football teams, women’s darts, women’s cricket etc | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years " I think the previous poster meant those sports that have been separated along the lines of sex historically. As for FTM, if they have been taking male hormones, if they are above certain levels they may fall foul of doping regulations...maybe???, Mrs x | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years I was talking about women’s only teams like women’s football teams, women’s darts, women’s cricket etc " It has to be one or the other, you can't have an agenda to suit person idea. What about female to male trans who possibly have been taking male hormones, according to the law, they are now women, but have they now not got a unfair advantage due to the hormones ? Where should they compete | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years I was talking about women’s only teams like women’s football teams, women’s darts, women’s cricket etc It has to be one or the other, you can't have an agenda to suit person idea. What about female to male trans who possibly have been taking male hormones, according to the law, they are now women, but have they now not got a unfair advantage due to the hormones ? Where should they compete " They may not be able to until their hormone levels reduce to those of an acceptable level according to the sports governing bodies, if they continue taking hormones then they may in all likelihood face a ban, I suspect. Mrs x | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years " There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions." Chess isn't a sport is it. You can play it by post, doesn't sound very sporty, Mrs x | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions.Chess isn't a sport is it. You can play it by post, doesn't sound very sporty, Mrs x" Chess is recognised as a sport by the IOC. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions.Chess isn't a sport is it. You can play it by post, doesn't sound very sporty, Mrs x Chess is recognised as a sport by the IOC." IOC is not the shiniest of lights when it comes to deciding what should or should not be allowed in sports, Mrs x | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions.Chess isn't a sport is it. You can play it by post, doesn't sound very sporty, Mrs x Chess is recognised as a sport by the IOC.IOC is not the shiniest of lights when it comes to deciding what should or should not be allowed in sports, Mrs x" You'll be saying sex isn't a sport next Mrs N ! 😘 | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions.Chess isn't a sport is it. You can play it by post, doesn't sound very sporty, Mrs x Chess is recognised as a sport by the IOC.IOC is not the shiniest of lights when it comes to deciding what should or should not be allowed in sports, Mrs x You'll be saying sex isn't a sport next Mrs N ! 😘" Well at least both participants need to be in the same room, no postal malarkey, and I guarantee you'll be out of breath and very sweaty. I love a bit of 'sport fucking'... Mrs x | |||
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But once again, rationality seems to have flown out the window. We're not talking about parlour games that need to be legislated on this topic by their various authorities, we're talking about sports where men would have a far greater physical advantage in whichever ways science and logic agree on. Having men (trans women) compete against women in these sports is ridiculous and unfair, and those men (trans women) who have already done this up to now should be thoroughly bloody ashamed of themselves for being such cheats. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. All sports ? How about equestrian, we have men competing against women. Chess is a sport where men compete against females and I presume that ftm trans now have to compete in female sports as the law has not stated they are female even though they may have been taking male hormones for years There are mixed chess competitions but also separate female competitions.Chess isn't a sport is it. You can play it by post, doesn't sound very sporty, Mrs x Chess is recognised as a sport by the IOC.IOC is not the shiniest of lights when it comes to deciding what should or should not be allowed in sports, Mrs x You'll be saying sex isn't a sport next Mrs N ! 😘Well at least both participants need to be in the same room, no postal malarkey, and I guarantee you'll be out of breath and very sweaty. I love a bit of 'sport fucking'... Mrs x" Hot damn Mrs N ! 🔥🔥 | |||
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"The OED defines "sport" as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill, often involving competition, and done for entertainment. It can also be defined as a pastime, recreation, or any physical activity engaged in for pleasure." This would seem to include chess, and probably Yahtzee too
But once again, rationality seems to have flown out the window. We're not talking about parlour games that need to be legislated on this topic by their various authorities, we're talking about sports where men would have a far greater physical advantage in whichever ways science and logic agree on. Having men (trans women) compete against women in these sports is ridiculous and unfair, and those men (trans women) who have already done this up to now should be thoroughly bloody ashamed of themselves for being such cheats."Transwomen are banned from female chess competitions by the world's governing body. | |||
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"The OED defines "sport" as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill, often involving competition, and done for entertainment. It can also be defined as a pastime, recreation, or any physical activity engaged in for pleasure." This would seem to include chess, and probably Yahtzee too
But once again, rationality seems to have flown out the window. We're not talking about parlour games that need to be legislated on this topic by their various authorities, we're talking about sports where men would have a far greater physical advantage in whichever ways science and logic agree on. Having men (trans women) compete against women in these sports is ridiculous and unfair, and those men (trans women) who have already done this up to now should be thoroughly bloody ashamed of themselves for being such cheats.
Transwomen are banned from female chess competitions by the world's governing body."They just done this or were the well ahead of the game, they do say you have to be four or five steps ahead to be any good at chess, Mrs x | |||
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"The OED defines "sport" as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill, often involving competition, and done for entertainment. It can also be defined as a pastime, recreation, or any physical activity engaged in for pleasure." This would seem to include chess, and probably Yahtzee too
But once again, rationality seems to have flown out the window. We're not talking about parlour games that need to be legislated on this topic by their various authorities, we're talking about sports where men would have a far greater physical advantage in whichever ways science and logic agree on. Having men (trans women) compete against women in these sports is ridiculous and unfair, and those men (trans women) who have already done this up to now should be thoroughly bloody ashamed of themselves for being such cheats.
Transwomen are banned from female chess competitions by the world's governing body.They just done this or were the well ahead of the game, they do say you have to be four or five steps ahead to be any good at chess,
Mrs x"Very good 👏 They did it in 2023 but are carrying out a review. | |||
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"The OED defines "sport" as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill, often involving competition, and done for entertainment. It can also be defined as a pastime, recreation, or any physical activity engaged in for pleasure." This would seem to include chess, and probably Yahtzee too
But once again, rationality seems to have flown out the window. We're not talking about parlour games that need to be legislated on this topic by their various authorities, we're talking about sports where men would have a far greater physical advantage in whichever ways science and logic agree on. Having men (trans women) compete against women in these sports is ridiculous and unfair, and those men (trans women) who have already done this up to now should be thoroughly bloody ashamed of themselves for being such cheats.
Transwomen are banned from female chess competitions by the world's governing body.They just done this or were the well ahead of the game, they do say you have to be four or five steps ahead to be any good at chess,
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Very good 👏 They did it in 2023 but are carrying out a review."People who think this definition is just limited to the EA 2010 are in for a shock. Until it's appealed it will have quite an impact in the UK, Mrs x | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? Maybe do some research before making yourself look silly…. Men are better at darts than women by about 10 to 15 point averages per 3 darts. Not just at the very top level such Beau and the two Luke’s, but across all levels. This is an indisputable fact, born out by statistics and averages. It’s the whole reason why there is a separate women’s tour and women’s competitions. The reasons why women can’t play to the same standard as men are not immediately obvious and on the face of it, there shouldn’t be a physical difference, but there is and science has proven why…. 1. Men naturally have superior hand to eye coordination. 2. Darts involves multitasking. And despite all the jokes and what you may or may not believe, across the board men have been scientifically proven to be very slightly better at that than women. 3. Also estrogen has been proven to reduce a persons ability to multitask, so even women who are very good multitaskers, become less good at it during ovulation and menstruation. Last I heard, m2f trans don’t ovulate or menstruate. 4. Men are better at building muscle memory than women. 5. Very few women don’t suffer from any form of physical and/or emotional effects of menstruation. A m2f trans will never have this issue. Gender reassignment surgery does not involve installing ovaries or a uterus. 6. M2f trans are allowed to have a 5 times higher level of testosterone compared to women. A hormone that is proven to enhance sporting performance, even in non physical sports. Those born female are banned from taking it as a supplement. I wonder why? No matter what any m2f trans does or has done to their body, the changes are cosmetic. The body is being surgically and hormonally altered to appear female but they are still male and the Supreme Court has ruled on it. They have a prostate. The most well know trans darts player NVL, still has his cock and balls. So he is still making male quantities of testosterone 24/7 All transgender people can identify as, live their lives as and call themselves whatever they wish. On the whole nobody cares either way. But they are still fundamentally the sex they were assigned in the womb and in the light of scientific evidence showing men have an unfair biological advantage and the Supreme Court ruling, m2f trans shouldn’t be allowed to play in female only tournaments. Nobody is saying they can’t compete, just play with the other people who aren’t female or in open tournaments. The WDF agrees and m2f trans will not be allowed to play in their female only events going forward. The PDC have announced they won’t be making any changes " I am guessing mr wrote this…. And is probably in the “sleeping on the couch” zone at the moment ….  | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men."the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional? | |||
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"You think it will go to the EHRC ?" it's already in progress to to to the ECHR, and the EHRC is also likely to face JR - hence their chair doing her 'how dare you criticise me' routine yesterday. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional?"A professional what? Darts player? I know quite a few professional darts players, both male and female so I already know their opinion. Not sure you heard but the Supreme Court ruled recently on what a woman is. Now you can debate gender ideology all you want but there are only two sexes and some very rare cases of intersex. Sports are not categorised by gender identity, but by sex. Male and female. I have no issue with a trans person calling themselves transgender or transsexual, but they are not women. So by definition they therefore only left with one category to compete in, the men’s category. Until a separate trans category is created of course. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional?
A professional what? Darts player? I know quite a few professional darts players, both male and female so I already know their opinion.
Not sure you heard but the Supreme Court ruled recently on what a woman is. Now you can debate gender ideology all you want but there are only two sexes and some very rare cases of intersex. Sports are not categorised by gender identity, but by sex. Male and female. I have no issue with a trans person calling themselves transgender or transsexual, but they are not women. So by definition they therefore only left with one category to compete in, the men’s category. Until a separate trans category is created of course. "oh gosh, you're clever. Yes, the SC has ruled on the meaning of the word sex in matters arising from the Equality Act - they said nothing about the difference between gender and sex, or any matters if deeper and wider meaning, and specifically upheld the rights created by the GRA. That's an unsustainable position but hey ho, that's for politicians to sort out. The fact that you know a few darts players is of zero interest to me - when all's said and done it's just a pub game that calls itself a sport. What is interesting is why you think it's a winning argument to say that there are only two sexes, except for intersex people - how do you think that argument can ever stand up? | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional?
A professional what? Darts player? I know quite a few professional darts players, both male and female so I already know their opinion.
Not sure you heard but the Supreme Court ruled recently on what a woman is. Now you can debate gender ideology all you want but there are only two sexes and some very rare cases of intersex. Sports are not categorised by gender identity, but by sex. Male and female. I have no issue with a trans person calling themselves transgender or transsexual, but they are not women. So by definition they therefore only left with one category to compete in, the men’s category. Until a separate trans category is created of course. oh gosh, you're clever. Yes, the SC has ruled on the meaning of the word sex in matters arising from the Equality Act - they said nothing about the difference between gender and sex, or any matters if deeper and wider meaning, and specifically upheld the rights created by the GRA. That's an unsustainable position but hey ho, that's for politicians to sort out. The fact that you know a few darts players is of zero interest to me - when all's said and done it's just a pub game that calls itself a sport. What is interesting is why you think it's a winning argument to say that there are only two sexes, except for intersex people - how do you think that argument can ever stand up? "Exactly. Everyone knows there are at least 37 sexes and these can be interchanged depending on the weather. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional?
A professional what? Darts player? I know quite a few professional darts players, both male and female so I already know their opinion.
Not sure you heard but the Supreme Court ruled recently on what a woman is. Now you can debate gender ideology all you want but there are only two sexes and some very rare cases of intersex. Sports are not categorised by gender identity, but by sex. Male and female. I have no issue with a trans person calling themselves transgender or transsexual, but they are not women. So by definition they therefore only left with one category to compete in, the men’s category. Until a separate trans category is created of course. oh gosh, you're clever. Yes, the SC has ruled on the meaning of the word sex in matters arising from the Equality Act - they said nothing about the difference between gender and sex, or any matters if deeper and wider meaning, and specifically upheld the rights created by the GRA. That's an unsustainable position but hey ho, that's for politicians to sort out. The fact that you know a few darts players is of zero interest to me - when all's said and done it's just a pub game that calls itself a sport. What is interesting is why you think it's a winning argument to say that there are only two sexes, except for intersex people - how do you think that argument can ever stand up? "Because it’s true. Simple as that. Simple question, name me one gender that has a category in a mainstream profession sport, other than male and female? If you can name one for m2f trans, that’s what category they should compete in. If you can’t, they have to compete as men because they are not women. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional?
A professional what? Darts player? I know quite a few professional darts players, both male and female so I already know their opinion.
Not sure you heard but the Supreme Court ruled recently on what a woman is. Now you can debate gender ideology all you want but there are only two sexes and some very rare cases of intersex. Sports are not categorised by gender identity, but by sex. Male and female. I have no issue with a trans person calling themselves transgender or transsexual, but they are not women. So by definition they therefore only left with one category to compete in, the men’s category. Until a separate trans category is created of course. oh gosh, you're clever. Yes, the SC has ruled on the meaning of the word sex in matters arising from the Equality Act - they said nothing about the difference between gender and sex, or any matters if deeper and wider meaning, and specifically upheld the rights created by the GRA. That's an unsustainable position but hey ho, that's for politicians to sort out. The fact that you know a few darts players is of zero interest to me - when all's said and done it's just a pub game that calls itself a sport. What is interesting is why you think it's a winning argument to say that there are only two sexes, except for intersex people - how do you think that argument can ever stand up? "The argument stands up because of biology. If there were naturally occurring different sexes then the chance of reproduction becomes smaller. You need the required bits, in working order, to produce offspring. This works in nature by having a male and a female copulate with the chance of producing progeny. So basic biology means this argument stands up. The fact that there are billions of us on this planet as a species is empirical evidence of this. So where are the other sexes you speak of and how many in number are they? Anyone born with a different biology to that which nature intended is , unfortunately, an anomaly. It's terrible to say but a fact none the less. Mrs x | |||
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"We are over thinking this. Remember we are basically just primates, part of the animal kingdom. If we suggested there were genders other than M and F across sheep, cows, parrots, tigers ..... it's just absurd. Humans are no different, just slightly larger brains." Some have the latter.. | |||
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"It's about time, other sports should follow. Totally agree, darts being one of them but they have just ruled no change which means a well known trans in the darts world still gets to play against women Ahhh yes, because throwing a dart at a fucking board has such a massive discrepancy in physicality. Any other smart sporting insight? You seem angry. There are many male darts competitions for trans"women" to take part in, because trans"women" are men
They're not though, are they?
Yes, trans "women" are men. By commonsense, by biology, by science, by rationality and by law, they are men.the more words you throw at this, the less you seem to know. The GRA is still in force in the UK - but you seem to be determined to assert things that don't make sense. Maybe have a chat with a professional?
A professional what? Darts player? I know quite a few professional darts players, both male and female so I already know their opinion.
Not sure you heard but the Supreme Court ruled recently on what a woman is. Now you can debate gender ideology all you want but there are only two sexes and some very rare cases of intersex. Sports are not categorised by gender identity, but by sex. Male and female. I have no issue with a trans person calling themselves transgender or transsexual, but they are not women. So by definition they therefore only left with one category to compete in, the men’s category. Until a separate trans category is created of course. oh gosh, you're clever. Yes, the SC has ruled on the meaning of the word sex in matters arising from the Equality Act - they said nothing about the difference between gender and sex, or any matters if deeper and wider meaning, and specifically upheld the rights created by the GRA. That's an unsustainable position but hey ho, that's for politicians to sort out. The fact that you know a few darts players is of zero interest to me - when all's said and done it's just a pub game that calls itself a sport. What is interesting is why you think it's a winning argument to say that there are only two sexes, except for intersex people - how do you think that argument can ever stand up?
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"We are over thinking this. Remember we are basically just primates, part of the animal kingdom. If we suggested there were genders other than M and F across sheep, cows, parrots, tigers ..... it's just absurd. Humans are no different, just slightly larger brains." There is a whole array of hermaphroditic and outright gender switching species out there in the world. Switching and common hermaphroditism is mostly in reptile or aquatic species, but hermaphrodites occur across birds and mammals too. And some versions of intersex people are capable of either carrying children or producing sperm capable of impregnating someone. Some versions aren't. But then there's some absolute male and female people who are also unable to procreate 💜 | |||
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"We are over thinking this. Remember we are basically just primates, part of the animal kingdom. If we suggested there were genders other than M and F across sheep, cows, parrots, tigers ..... it's just absurd. Humans are no different, just slightly larger brains. There is a whole array of hermaphroditic and outright gender switching species out there in the world. Switching and common hermaphroditism is mostly in reptile or aquatic species, but hermaphrodites occur across birds and mammals too. And some versions of intersex people are capable of either carrying children or producing sperm capable of impregnating someone. Some versions aren't. But then there's some absolute male and female people who are also unable to procreate 💜" Those species you mentioned have gained an evolutionary advantage by being able to do this and that's why they have evolved to do this. However when you mention humans and intersex that is most definitely not an evolutionary advantage, that's why there are so few of them. They are an anomaly, something happened developmentally before birth and that's what led to their condition. It's not such a successful mutation that will cause it to become replicated more. Do intersex people go on to have intersex children or are the offspring of intersex individuals born as biological males or females. Unless it's the former, in any significant numbers, it's not an evolutionary advantage. Mrs x | |||
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"We are over thinking this. Remember we are basically just primates, part of the animal kingdom. If we suggested there were genders other than M and F across sheep, cows, parrots, tigers ..... it's just absurd. Humans are no different, just slightly larger brains. There is a whole array of hermaphroditic and outright gender switching species out there in the world. Switching and common hermaphroditism is mostly in reptile or aquatic species, but hermaphrodites occur across birds and mammals too. And some versions of intersex people are capable of either carrying children or producing sperm capable of impregnating someone. Some versions aren't. But then there's some absolute male and female people who are also unable to procreate 💜 Those species you mentioned have gained an evolutionary advantage by being able to do this and that's why they have evolved to do this. However when you mention humans and intersex that is most definitely not an evolutionary advantage, that's why there are so few of them. They are an anomaly, something happened developmentally before birth and that's what led to their condition. It's not such a successful mutation that will cause it to become replicated more. Do intersex people go on to have intersex children or are the offspring of intersex individuals born as biological males or females. Unless it's the former, in any significant numbers, it's not an evolutionary advantage. Mrs x" I was simply replying to the comment that suggesting there are alternative genders to male and female in the animal kingdom was laughable. It's not. There are examples of intersex lions and monkeys in multiple studies, as well as the commonly hermaphroditic species existing with that as a standard. I wasn't arguing that it's an evolutionary advantage. Just pointing out that the assumption that all animals or even mammals are purely male or female was incorrect. I haven't looked into what offspring are produced. Quick search says There are 11 reported cases of pregnancy in true hermaphrodites, but none with advanced genetic testing to clarify. | |||
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"We are over thinking this. Remember we are basically just primates, part of the animal kingdom. If we suggested there were genders other than M and F across sheep, cows, parrots, tigers ..... it's just absurd. Humans are no different, just slightly larger brains. There is a whole array of hermaphroditic and outright gender switching species out there in the world. Switching and common hermaphroditism is mostly in reptile or aquatic species, but hermaphrodites occur across birds and mammals too. And some versions of intersex people are capable of either carrying children or producing sperm capable of impregnating someone. Some versions aren't. But then there's some absolute male and female people who are also unable to procreate 💜 Those species you mentioned have gained an evolutionary advantage by being able to do this and that's why they have evolved to do this. However when you mention humans and intersex that is most definitely not an evolutionary advantage, that's why there are so few of them. They are an anomaly, something happened developmentally before birth and that's what led to their condition. It's not such a successful mutation that will cause it to become replicated more. Do intersex people go on to have intersex children or are the offspring of intersex individuals born as biological males or females. Unless it's the former, in any significant numbers, it's not an evolutionary advantage. Mrs x I was simply replying to the comment that suggesting there are alternative genders to male and female in the animal kingdom was laughable. It's not. There are examples of intersex lions and monkeys in multiple studies, as well as the commonly hermaphroditic species existing with that as a standard. I wasn't arguing that it's an evolutionary advantage. Just pointing out that the assumption that all animals or even mammals are purely male or female was incorrect. I haven't looked into what offspring are produced. Quick search says There are 11 reported cases of pregnancy in true hermaphrodites, but none with advanced genetic testing to clarify." The thing is though is that the numbers are so small it does not suggest the development of a third,or more, gender. It's like saying we are not just a biped animal because of the number of people born with just one leg. This is far more common than intersex but nobody suggests tgat humans are bipedal and monopedal. The poor unfortunate born with one one leg as seen as having a birth defect, something went wrong developmentally and it caused this impairment. It's the same for intersex. It's just different areas but it's a development issue for both individuals. Mrs x | |||
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"The thing is though is that the numbers are so small it does not suggest the development of a third,or more, gender. It's like saying we are not just a biped animal because of the number of people born with just one leg. This is far more common than intersex but nobody suggests tgat humans are bipedal and monopedal. The poor unfortunate born with one one leg as seen as having a birth defect, something went wrong developmentally and it caused this impairment. It's the same for intersex. It's just different areas but it's a development issue for both individuals. Mrs x" Okay. The point was simply that it's not as absolutely cut and dry as exclusively entirely male or entirely female throughout our or other species. That the majority do adhere to one or the other isn't in question. | |||
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"The thing is though is that the numbers are so small it does not suggest the development of a third,or more, gender. It's like saying we are not just a biped animal because of the number of people born with just one leg. This is far more common than intersex but nobody suggests tgat humans are bipedal and monopedal. The poor unfortunate born with one one leg as seen as having a birth defect, something went wrong developmentally and it caused this impairment. It's the same for intersex. It's just different areas but it's a development issue for both individuals. Mrs x Okay. The point was simply that it's not as absolutely cut and dry as exclusively entirely male or entirely female throughout our or other species. That the majority do adhere to one or the other isn't in question." If this is the case why have women experienced discrimination throughout the centuries. | |||
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"Okay. The point was simply that it's not as absolutely cut and dry as exclusively entirely male or entirely female throughout our or other species. That the majority do adhere to one or the other isn't in question. If this is the case why have women experienced discrimination throughout the centuries." ... What does men keeping women down have do with hermaphrodite fish and intersex monkeys? | |||
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"The thing is though is that the numbers are so small it does not suggest the development of a third,or more, gender. It's like saying we are not just a biped animal because of the number of people born with just one leg. This is far more common than intersex but nobody suggests tgat humans are bipedal and monopedal. The poor unfortunate born with one one leg as seen as having a birth defect, something went wrong developmentally and it caused this impairment. It's the same for intersex. It's just different areas but it's a development issue for both individuals. Mrs x Okay. The point was simply that it's not as absolutely cut and dry as exclusively entirely male or entirely female throughout our or other species. That the majority do adhere to one or the other isn't in question. If this is the case why have women experienced discrimination throughout the centuries." Because of physical strength. On the whole men are stronger so women were controlled with fear and force. | |||
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