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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?." Why? J | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still" Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count! | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count!" The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI" J | |||
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?." It sounds like you need to get out of the suburbs, it might expand your thinking. | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still" How many PhDs are coming in small boats | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still How many PhDs are coming in small boats " All of them apparently! Well, that’s the argument you get from people who can’t distinguish between an economic migrant exploiting backdoor routes like small boats, and qualified professionals entering legally on a Skilled Worker visa. | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count! The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI" J" If you live in a bizarre fantasy world where all migrants have Phds and all British people are thick with sexual diseases I guess that might be reassuring. In the real world irregular migrants are more likely on average to be unskilled and unqualified and more likely to be long term dependent on benefits and social housing. | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still How many PhDs are coming in small boats All of them apparently! Well, that’s the argument you get from people who can’t distinguish between an economic migrant exploiting backdoor routes like small boats, and qualified professionals entering legally on a Skilled Worker visa. " The OP asked about the morals of housing migrants. No distinction of illegal or economic as to whether or not they should be allowed a roof over their heads 💜 | |||
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?." The question seems to be whether it’s right for government contracts (via Serco) should be allowed to offer higher than market rents to secure these properties, in effect pricing out local tenants. And relevant to this discussion, to quote Michael Gove former communities minister; on Airbnb (Feb 2024) planning changes to holiday/airbnb. ‘We have given councils the powers to stop the proliferation of short term lets, which are removing affordable accommodation from supply, and are hollowing out communities.’ | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still How many PhDs are coming in small boats All of them apparently! Well, that’s the argument you get from people who can’t distinguish between an economic migrant exploiting backdoor routes like small boats, and qualified professionals entering legally on a Skilled Worker visa. The OP asked about the morals of housing migrants. No distinction of illegal or economic as to whether or not they should be allowed a roof over their heads 💜" The OP did yes but others in the conversation are discussing medically qualified people here in professional visa's with migrants that cross the channel in small boats, hence my input. Debate in this area falls apart when people conflate the 2, and it is being conflated on every thread on the topic. Back to the OP, I think buying up large stocks of rental properties for people arriving by small boat is damaging for local people trying to find a place of their own to rent, it is pushing them out of the market by reducing available stock and increasing rents. Do landlords have a moral duty to say no, of course they don't when our money is being waved under their noses. | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count! The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI" J If you live in a bizarre fantasy world where all migrants have Phds and all British people are thick with sexual diseases I guess that might be reassuring. In the real world irregular migrants are more likely on average to be unskilled and unqualified and more likely to be long term dependent on benefits and social housing." I suspect some people confuse migrants with illegal immigrants. I suspect that regardless of education or qualification, if a UK national is unemployed, a migrant isn't going to take his job. J | |||
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants?. Government incentives are being given to house illegal migrants in local communities. Housing criminals!. I can imagine the leafy subburbs they wouldn't be in. Plus, local social unrest having a full house in your street. Can you imagine what Glasgow, Birmingham, Belfast and London councils will have to burden?. So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?." I'm waiting for the announcement of a newer policy from the labour party, that they will start buying/ building property to house the unwanted guests coming into the country to mitigate from the backlash and unrest this policy wiil encourage, the Labour party do not class them as illegal, and the voters the ones who actually participate in democracy and make it happen don't get democracy but a dictatorship. | |||
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"Do you think Landlords have a moral responsibility to not house migrants? ..." Please explain this moral responsibility. Why is it moral? Why should it be the responsibility of a landlord? | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count! The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI" J If you live in a bizarre fantasy world where all migrants have Phds and all British people are thick with sexual diseases I guess that might be reassuring. In the real world irregular migrants are more likely on average to be unskilled and unqualified and more likely to be long term dependent on benefits and social housing. I suspect some people confuse migrants with illegal immigrants. I suspect that regardless of education or qualification, if a UK national is unemployed, a migrant isn't going to take his job. J" 60% of legal migrants to UK work in roles classed as low skill, a much higher percentage than British born workers. I couldn't find out how many are brain surgeons. | |||
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"Not all migrants are illegal/criminals." the ones comming in dinghies are illegal and being illegal makes them criminals | |||
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"So if a doctor from another country saves your life are you going to complain about then still Exactly. Go to the hospital and count how many of the top doctors, consultants and surgeons saving lives are white British. You won’t need many fingers to count! The best retort to "fucking migrants coming over here taking our jobs" was, "that surgeon has a PhD and 25 years experience in brain surgery, you dont have a job Kevin, all you’ve got is two CSEs and an STI" J" did that surgeon arrive in a dinghy or did he come here the correct way? | |||
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"Jdid that surgeon arrive in a dinghy or did he come here the correct way? " Who cares? It's still a fellow human either way 💜 | |||
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"Not all migrants are illegal/criminals.the ones comming in dinghies are illegal and being illegal makes them criminals " It has been discussed several times in the forum but let’s clarify again. UK is a signatory of “Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees” aka 1951 Refugee Convention It consist of sections, illegal entry is covered in Article 31(1) which says “The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who enter or are present in their territory without authorisation, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.” Good cause definition is left to countries processing asylum applications. Also, for soft reading: https://news.sky.com/story/amp/what-does-the-un-1951-refugee-convention-say-and-can-you-change-it-12970185 | |||
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"It has been discussed several times in the forum but let’s clarify again. UK is a signatory of “Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees” aka 1951 Refugee Convention It consist of sections, illegal entry is covered in Article 31(1) which says “The Contracting States shall not impose penalties, on account of their illegal entry or presence, on refugees who enter or are present in their territory without authorisation, provided they present themselves without delay to the authorities and show good cause for their illegal entry or presence.” Good cause definition is left to countries processing asylum applications." That's all correct. However, the fact that they can't be penalised does not mean that they haven't committed a crime. And of course that only applies to those whose asylum claim is accepted, not to those whose claim is rejected. | |||
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"So what's going to happen to the big terrace house in your street up for sale?." The Northampton Chronicle recently reported a Victorian terraced house in a leafy suburb has been granted a licence to become a 9-bed HMO. It is literally joined to a nursery next door. There was massive opposition to it, but it was granted permission anyway. | |||
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